Baker Mayfield
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Do people seem to forget that we used to lose against all the middle of the road teams and even weak teams? But now that Baker plays well enough to beat those teams that is not enough? Not long ago we didn't win a single game and only 1 before that, if we are going to win we have t take baby steps, Let's ride this out and see where the road with Baker leads, we are a ton better than before with Kessler, and all the others,GO BROWNS
I understand, however the two concepts are not mutually exclusive: Yes, Baker is better than what the Browns have had since Bernie. Agreed. But, at the same time, you would hope that the #1 pick overall in the draft would bring you a QB that is capable of beating teams beyond just the bad ones. He's not a rookie, as Burrow is. He is in his 3rd year. What should be expected of a QB who was the 1st pick overall in his 3rd year? Should he be noticeably improved as he was his rookie season? Is he?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MayfBa00.htm
He has regressed in many areas.
What have other top QBs accomplished from their rookie years to their 3rd? I don't know. Will the Browns roll out a massive extension at this point? Should Baker be paid like a Mahomes? Would that be wise?
I understand, however the two concepts are not mutually exclusive: Yes, Baker is better than what the Browns have had since Bernie. Agreed. But, at the same time, you would hope that the #1 pick overall in the draft would bring you a QB that is capable of beating teams beyond just the bad ones. He's not a rookie, as Burrow is. He is in his 3rd year. What should be expected of a QB who was the 1st pick overall in his 3rd year? Should he be noticeably improved as he was his rookie season? Is he?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MayfBa00.htm
He has regressed in many areas.
What have other top QBs accomplished from their rookie years to their 3rd? I don't know. Will the Browns roll out a massive extension at this point? Should Baker be paid like a Mahomes? Would that be wise?
Ok then in that case don't you think Andy Dalton should of been able to beat Bakers offense his rookie season? Believe me I know beating the Bengals is nothing to brag about but in a 16 game format Pisspuke always counted on 4 wins every season from the Browns twice and Cinci twice? I am not saying Baker is the answer by any stretch but he is healthy and can beat "weak teams" So why not keep him til we have something better ? Even if we do draft a qb let him sit behind Baker not to learn I would not say but to see what Baker can do with a High draft pick niping at his heels.
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I understand, however the two concepts are not mutually exclusive: Yes, Baker is better than what the Browns have had since Bernie. Agreed. But, at the same time, you would hope that the #1 pick overall in the draft would bring you a QB that is capable of beating teams beyond just the bad ones. He's not a rookie, as Burrow is. He is in his 3rd year. What should be expected of a QB who was the 1st pick overall in his 3rd year? Should he be noticeably improved as he was his rookie season? Is he?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MayfBa00.htm
He has regressed in many areas.
What have other top QBs accomplished from their rookie years to their 3rd? I don't know. Will the Browns roll out a massive extension at this point? Should Baker be paid like a Mahomes? Would that be wise?
Ok then in that case don't you think Andy Dalton should of been able to beat Bakers offense his rookie season? Believe me I know beating the Bengals is nothing to brag about but in a 16 game format Pisspuke always counted on 4 wins every season from the Browns twice and Cinci twice? I am not saying Baker is the answer by any stretch but he is healthy and can beat "weak teams" So why not keep him til we have something better ? Even if we do draft a qb let him sit behind Baker not to learn I would not say but to see what Baker can do with a High draft pick niping at his heels.
Ok then in that case don't you think Andy Dalton should of been able to beat Bakers offense his rookie season? Believe me I know beating the Bengals is nothing to brag about but in a 16 game format Pisspuke always counted on 4 wins every season from the Browns twice and Cinci twice? I am not saying Baker is the answer by any stretch but he is healthy and can beat "weak teams" So why not keep him til we have something better ? Even if we do draft a qb let him sit behind Baker not to learn I would not say but to see what Baker can do with a High draft pick niping at his heels.
No problem with that, but pretty soon it will take significant $ to keep him It's all relative.
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32 divided by 2 = 16. 20 is lower. 16 is average. Ummmmmm, it's not complicated.
Then why do you get it wrong every time?
In statistics the sample size is represented by "n"... n/2 (what you did) is meaningless.
You have to quantify that which you have chosen to measure, sum those measures, divide their sum by the sample size... That is how an "average" is calculated.
Loved this on the linked page...
Then why do you get it wrong every time?
In statistics the sample size is represented by "n"... n/2 (what you did) is meaningless.
You have to quantify that which you have chosen to measure, sum those measures, divide their sum by the sample size... That is how an "average" is calculated.
Loved this on the linked page...
I really hate to have to explain this to you, higher is actually lower in this case. You see, being the 25th QB compared to the 1st is lower. Why am I bothering.
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Then why do you get it wrong every time?
In statistics the sample size is represented by "n"... n/2 (what you did) is meaningless.
You have to quantify that which you have chosen to measure, sum those measures, divide their sum by the sample size... That is how an "average" is calculated.
Loved this on the linked page...
I really hate to have to explain this to you, higher is actually lower in this case. You see, being the 25th QB compared to the 1st is lower. Why am I bothering.
I really hate to have to explain this to you, higher is actually lower in this case. You see, being the 25th QB compared to the 1st is lower. Why am I bothering.
Taking your team to the playoffs, which is all that matters, puts your team in the Top 14 teams...which is all that matters.
You can be ranked the best QB in the league, but if your team is not in the playoffs, who gives a fuck about you. See Archie Manning. You can be the #32 ranked QB in the league, but if your team makes the playoffs, that is all that counts. See: Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson. Average at best QBs....but you know what else they are: Super Bowl Champions.
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By definition, to be average Baker would be somewhere around the 15th or 16th best QB in the NFL. Do you think he is?
Let's look. By the ratings (and I realize you can argue the ratings alone doesn't always tell the full story but it's a good start)...
R. Wilson
Mahomes
Rogers
Carr
Tannehill
D. Watson
Brees
Herbert
Brady
J. Allen
Big Ben
Dak
Kyle Allen
Bridgewater
N. Mullens
M. Ryan
Rivers
Fitzpatrick
Stafford
Goff
Minshew
L. Jackson
K. Murray
Jimmy G
Cousins
Burrow
Baker
Tua
Kaskins
Foles
Driskel
Tyrod Taylor
Dan Jones
Cam Newton
Wentz
That puts him at 27, which is far below average. And looking at the order of the list, it passes my eye test as far as being accurate in determining quality of play. I'd move a few up or down a few spots, but it's pretty on the $.
So even if you can argue Baker maybe a few spots better, he's still around the 25th best or so. Is that acceptable for the 1st pick overall in the draft halfway through his 3rd season? If the Browns were told,"By his 3rd season, Baker will be the 27th rated passer" would they have taken him #1 overall?
Of course, I am in no way suggesting now would be the time for a change, no way. He gets at least this season to show what he has got, barring him just falling of a cliff, especially considering we have to see of the passing game blossoms without forcing it to OBJ so often. (But others say the passing attack will suffer sans OBJ.) The 2nd half of this season is huge in determining Baker's future. As things stand, his last year option is probably safe, but if he doesn't ascend from where he is now, a big, new franchise QB deal is not likely. Baker, it's time. You are at a crossroad.
By definition, to be average Baker would
Nobody agreed with your proposed definition. Get over it, loser.
Before attempting to "rank" quarterbacks, first you have to get everyone to agree on the methodology you want to use to rank them. Good luck.
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Nobody agreed with your proposed definition. Get over it, loser.
Before attempting to "rank" quarterbacks, first you have to get everyone to agree on the methodology you want to use to rank them. Good luck.
Pathetic (your given name here), I don't have to have ANYone agree on shit. And I certainly don't have to rely on you coherently detailing any thoughts or we'd all be waiting for months.
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Nobody agreed with your proposed definition. Get over it, loser.
Before attempting to "rank" quarterbacks, first you have to get everyone to agree on the methodology you want to use to rank them. Good luck.
Pathetic (your given name here), I don't have to have ANYone agree on shit. And I certainly don't have to rely on you coherently detailing any thoughts or we'd all be waiting for months.
I don't have to have ANYone agree on shit.
That's good news, because we'd all be waiting for months waiting for someone to agree with whatever nonsense you posted last.
You should really give up while you are way behind. I know you have a desperate need to be right on something, anything, but it just doesn't seem to ever work out your way, buddy. It still burns your backside something fierce about the way the board universally laughed at you on your original OBJ threads, so months and months later we are still subjected to your OBJ obsession.
At least you have solace that you were able to bench 400lbs, back in the day.
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I honestly don't grasp what your point is. Somehow, you've managed to conclude I said this is a terrible team....SMH. This team is what their record says it is: can beat bad teams, can't beat the good ones. They will beat most of the Cowboys and Bengals of the league (combined 3 wins) but get curb stomped by the Steelers and Ravens of the league. And that is absolutely a HUGE improvement over the 0-16 and 1-15 type of teams, or even the myriad of 3-13 clubs. I still think their odds are good to make the playoffs. How rare is that the last 22 years? So, enjoy it.
I think to best sum this all up is to say...... We all know the short comings of our beloved Cleveland Browns , at this time , during their development... Yes... the LBer's are whoafully slow.. Banged up and outside of Garrett and his efforts... The defense isn't getting much up on anyone... We're 5-3... Lets revel in that for a change.. Yeah... we have holes... as does every team... Rome wasn't built in week let alone a day... Give Baker the remainder of the season... If he stumbles... So be it... But I'm rooting for the kid... It's apparent we're getting nothing for Njoku.. I guess they'll just let him "walk"... No takers... Hopefully Bryant learned from his mistakes and can transition smoothly...
I think to best sum this all up is to say...... We all know the short comings of our beloved Cleveland Browns , at this time , during their development... Yes... the LBer's are whoafully slow.. Banged up and outside of Garrett and his efforts... The defense isn't getting much up on anyone... We're 5-3... Lets revel in that for a change.. Yeah... we have holes... as does every team... Rome wasn't built in week let alone a day... Give Baker the remainder of the season... If he stumbles... So be it... But I'm rooting for the kid... It's apparent we're getting nothing for Njoku.. I guess they'll just let him "walk"... No takers... Hopefully Bryant learned from his mistakes and can transition smoothly...
yipper....based on what i saw and heard from the gm on espn...ole baker better have an incredible 2nd half.....gm is more important than herd or bradshaw....it appears berry does not want anything to do with the what, 1 yr left on his contract after this yr unless baker improves dramatically.....also the new coachie coach inherited this team....and aside from barry switzer when he won a sb with dallas, which was jimmy johnson's team, usually every coaching change comes change in alot of the inherited team....i can't see our coach being too happy with what transpired with statefarm baker and yodell.....that project is kaput....
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I don't have to have ANYone agree on shit.
That's good news, because we'd all be waiting for months waiting for someone to agree with whatever nonsense you posted last.
You should really give up while you are way behind. I know you have a desperate need to be right on something, anything, but it just doesn't seem to ever work out your way, buddy. It still burns your backside something fierce about the way the board universally laughed at you on your original OBJ threads, so months and months later we are still subjected to your OBJ obsession.
At least you have solace that you were able to bench 400lbs, back in the day.
That's good news, because we'd all be waiting for months waiting for someone to agree with whatever nonsense you posted last.
You should really give up while you are way behind. I know you have a desperate need to be right on something, anything, but it just doesn't seem to ever work out your way, buddy. It still burns your backside something fierce about the way the board universally laughed at you on your original OBJ threads, so months and months later we are still subjected to your OBJ obsession.
At least you have solace that you were able to bench 400lbs, back in the day.
Oh look, it's the guy who said months ago, "I won't respond to any of your posts, don't respond to any of mine." Gee whiz, you have zero credibility. ZERO. And I'm sure you probably never even benched an Olympic bar with any weights on it. You Canal Fulton hillbillies don't see the insides of gyms.
And, by the way, my OBJ takes are still in play. They will dump him before the 2021 season. Watch and learn, little one.
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I really hate to have to explain this to you, higher is actually lower in this case. You see, being the 25th QB compared to the 1st is lower. Why am I bothering.
Taking your team to the playoffs, which is all that matters, puts your team in the Top 14 teams...which is all that matters.
You can be ranked the best QB in the league, but if your team is not in the playoffs, who gives a fuck about you. See Archie Manning. You can be the #32 ranked QB in the league, but if your team makes the playoffs, that is all that counts. See: Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson. Average at best QBs....but you know what else they are: Super Bowl Champions.
Taking your team to the playoffs, which is all that matters, puts your team in the Top 14 teams...which is all that matters.
You can be ranked the best QB in the league, but if your team is not in the playoffs, who gives a fuck about you. See Archie Manning. You can be the #32 ranked QB in the league, but if your team makes the playoffs, that is all that counts. See: Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson. Average at best QBs....but you know what else they are: Super Bowl Champions.
So is Big Ben.
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That's good news, because we'd all be waiting for months waiting for someone to agree with whatever nonsense you posted last.
You should really give up while you are way behind. I know you have a desperate need to be right on something, anything, but it just doesn't seem to ever work out your way, buddy. It still burns your backside something fierce about the way the board universally laughed at you on your original OBJ threads, so months and months later we are still subjected to your OBJ obsession.
At least you have solace that you were able to bench 400lbs, back in the day.
Oh look, it's the guy who said months ago, "I won't respond to any of your posts, don't respond to any of mine." Gee whiz, you have zero credibility. ZERO. And I'm sure you probably never even benched an Olympic bar with any weights on it. You Canal Fulton hillbillies don't see the insides of gyms.
And, by the way, my OBJ takes are still in play. They will dump him before the 2021 season. Watch and learn, little one.
Oh look, it's the guy who said months ago, "I won't respond to any of your posts, don't respond to any of mine." Gee whiz, you have zero credibility. ZERO. And I'm sure you probably never even benched an Olympic bar with any weights on it. You Canal Fulton hillbillies don't see the insides of gyms.
And, by the way, my OBJ takes are still in play. They will dump him before the 2021 season. Watch and learn, little one.
The only thing any of us learn from your posts is that your parents must be incredibly embarrassed to have to claim you. ?
With the exception of the time you benched 400lbs, of course.
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Taking your team to the playoffs, which is all that matters, puts your team in the Top 14 teams...which is all that matters.
You can be ranked the best QB in the league, but if your team is not in the playoffs, who gives a fuck about you. See Archie Manning. You can be the #32 ranked QB in the league, but if your team makes the playoffs, that is all that counts. See: Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson. Average at best QBs....but you know what else they are: Super Bowl Champions.
So is Big Ben.
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Oh look, it's the guy who said months ago, "I won't respond to any of your posts, don't respond to any of mine." Gee whiz, you have zero credibility. ZERO. And I'm sure you probably never even benched an Olympic bar with any weights on it. You Canal Fulton hillbillies don't see the insides of gyms.
And, by the way, my OBJ takes are still in play. They will dump him before the 2021 season. Watch and learn, little one.
The only thing any of us learn from your posts is that your parents must be incredibly embarrassed to have to claim you. ?
With the exception of the time you benched 400lbs, of course.
The only thing any of us learn from your posts is that your parents must be incredibly embarrassed to have to claim you. ?
With the exception of the time you benched 400lbs, of course.
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Are you saying that you think he has been an average at best QB?
Who? Ben?
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Are you saying that you think he has been an average at best QB?
Who? Ben?
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Yes, that is who you mentioned.
We all know Ben is far above average; Hall of Fame QBs all are. He' a beast.
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Yes, that is who you mentioned.
We all know Ben is far above average; Hall of Fame QBs all are. He' a beast.
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Yes, that is who you mentioned.
We all know Ben is far above average; Hall of Fame QBs all are. He' a beast.
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The morning show on 92.3 was talking about Baker this morning, and some interesting points were made.
It will be interesting to see just how much the Browns would be willing to pay Baker if they want to keep him past his rookie deal. I just can't see the Browns giving him HUGE money, maybe good money, but not a monster deal.
Especially considering two QBs who had a lot of success in this type of system were mid-round draft picks who fit the system well in Matt Schaub (3rd rounder) and Kirk Cousins (4th).
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