Baker Mayfield
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Because you get a discount for a franchise level 4th-rounder?
No, I was pointing out that QBs who can fit this system can be found later on in the draft, instead of being dependent on tanking and getting the highest pick possible for a "franchise/HOF" QB.
If the Browns find Mayfield's second contract demands to be too high, they might just say "We can find a 3rd/4th rounder who can put up the same numbers as Baker".
No, I was pointing out that QBs who can fit this system can be found later on in the draft. It is dependent on tanking and getting the highest pick possible for a "franchise/HOF" QB.
If the Browns find Mayfield's second contract demands to be too high, they might just say "We can find a 3rd/4th rounder who can put up the same numbers as Baker".
Well.... need to signal those turns in the future...
I doubt you roll the dice on an "either/or" scenario... stakes are too high and those mid-round QBs are far from plentiful.
And that bring me back to the 5th year option... Even with the increased cost of it beginning with Baker's and Ward's draft class, it's still a relatively cheap way to buy decision time.
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IIRC...
"C" is:
- "average"...
- not at a 50% level.
The overall "C" that this writer gives to Baker is contradicted by what he does just above. Ignoring pluses and minuses, taking the grade he gives in each category....he would have had to conclude that Baker was a B. How so? Simple math. If, instead of an alphabetical grade you did a numerical grade, 5 for A, 4 for B, 3=C, 2=D, 1=F. In 6 categories, he gave Baker 24 pts. 24 divided by 6 = 4. 4= B. B should have been the overall grade.
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The writer's post is as accurate as the grade he gave to Baker?
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
The writer's post is as accurate as the grade he gave to Baker?
The writer's post is as accurate as the grade he gave to Baker?
Not sure I understand the question. What I am saying is that the Final Grade he gave to Baker does not comport with the average that he would have come up with by adding all the scores in each category he listed.
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The writer's post is as accurate as the grade he gave to Baker?
The writer's post is as accurate as the grade he gave to Baker?
If you prefer to look at it, taking into account using pluses and minuses, you would come up with a 15 point scale:
15 points for an A+......14 for A, 13 for A-, 12 for B+ , 11 for B, 10 for B -.....etc. down to 1 point for an F- (yes, sure, can have that)
Baker, in each category got:
C=8 pts
C- = 7
B+ = 12
A- = 13
A = 14
B- = 10
Total those up equals 64 pts. 64 divided by 6 categories = 10.66 pts. 10.66 points puts him .66 above a B- . Rounding up gives Baker a B.
I am going strictly by the author above's grades that he gave.
I guess you could submit your own grades to each of those categories, if you choose.
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Twas a joke.. he gave Baker a C for accuracy and then didn't accurately describe the weighting system he used to compute Baker's final grade.
It's possible to assign different weights to the categories, doesn't have to be the same for each. So 20% of the total could be the grade for accuracy, 5% for "moments", 10% for leadership etc.. adding up to 100% of course. So [weight%*grade] summed over all the grades - 0.2*8+0.05*7 - would give us the final "grade."
I don't think "big moments" [this is the old "clutch" measurement] is really a thing.. for example Tebow's playoff win was the one accurate throw to Thomas in OT but the rest of the game he was not-a-professional-QB level of terrible, and thus the game wouldn't have been close leading to the "clutch" throw if he had been even an average QB all 4 quarters. The studies of Brees/Brady/Favre etc [guys with a big enough sample to be useful] certainly suggest their performance in "definable clutch" is not measurably different from the rest.
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Well, I was giving equal weight to each category, as it was not explained that he did anything but that.
I also think that some of his commentary was way off base. I mean, he was saying that the Steelers game was a "big moment" It just can't be that when your defense is getting hammered for 38 points. I don't see where a blowout game can constitute a big moment really.
Now, a big moment was at the end of the Bengals game, putting together a game winning drive, a game winning TD pass.
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Speaking of QBs, thought I'd share this remarkable stat...
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Speaking of QBs, thought I'd share this remarkable stat...
Speaking of QBs, thought I'd share this remarkable stat...
You wanna take over the Trivia?
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Speaking of QBs, thought I'd share this remarkable stat...
You wanna take over the Trivia?
You wanna take over the Trivia?
Nah, I'm good...
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Speaking of QBs, thought I'd share this remarkable stat...
Speaking of QBs, thought I'd share this remarkable stat...
He is a fucking beast.
I'm watching his interviews in the Pat McAffee show and I have even more respect for him. Great player and cool guy.
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I thought Mayfield was next to brilliant today. He missed a couple passes, but no more than Watson did. He didn't turn it over, he made enough plays, and he made the play when we had to have it. The 3rd and 17 play WAS the game.
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I thought Mayfield was next to brilliant today. He missed a couple passes, but no more than Watson did. He didn't turn it over, he made enough plays, and he made the play when we had to have it. The 3rd and 17 play WAS the game.
I thought Mayfield was next to brilliant today. He missed a couple passes, but no more than Watson did. He didn't turn it over, he made enough plays, and he made the play when we had to have it. The 3rd and 17 play WAS the game.
He managed the game well, considering the weather.
I'll be curious to see how this offense looks in somewhat moderate weather.
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I thought Mayfield was next to brilliant today. He missed a couple passes, but no more than Watson did. He didn't turn it over, he made enough plays, and he made the play when we had to have it. The 3rd and 17 play WAS the game.
The 3rd and 17 play WAS the game.
Well the succeeding PI cal on 3rd and 8 didn't hurt any...
For me it was Stef reestablishing our Offensive identity... and Baker's role in that ID. Stef had all his tools back and wasted no time putting them to use. Our OL and run game flat wore the HOU Defense out.
I think we could have played in a dome today and our game plan would not have changed at all. Can't say the same about HOU tho... I think they "protected" Watson... overly so... and found out too late that they could ask him to do more than dink.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The 3rd and 17 play WAS the game.
Well the succeeding PI cal on 3rd and 8 didn't hurt any...
For me it was Stef reestablishing our Offensive identity... and Baker's role in that ID. Stef had all his tools back and wasted no time putting them to use. Our OL and run game flat wore the HOU Defense out.
I think we could have played in a dome today and our game plan would not have changed at all. Can't say the same about HOU tho... I think they "protected" Watson... overly so... and found out too late that they could ask him to do more than dink.
Well the succeeding PI cal on 3rd and 8 didn't hurt any...
For me it was Stef reestablishing our Offensive identity... and Baker's role in that ID. Stef had all his tools back and wasted no time putting them to use. Our OL and run game flat wore the HOU Defense out.
I think we could have played in a dome today and our game plan would not have changed at all. Can't say the same about HOU tho... I think they "protected" Watson... overly so... and found out too late that they could ask him to do more than dink.
We definitely stayed with the plan and didn't mess around. This was an example of STICKING TO IT. You have to remember, it's much harder to run the ball when they KNOW you're running it, and Houston definitely knew we wanted to run. Houston also did an excellent job of knocking us off our play-action passing game, especially the bootlegs. They fired their DE or linebacker directly at the QB instead of paying any attention to the QB. This leaves the cutback lane wide open (our touchdown run) but also completely nullifies virtually any bootleg because Baker won't have time.
You have to give credit to our defense and to our coaches. I was SCREAMING at the television on the 4th and goal play that a QB draw was coming, and throughout the years, this play has absolutely killed us. Well, guess what? Our coaches were ALL OVER that shit and our players executed the plan perfectly. How nice is that? We pinched him inside, Ogunjobi was in the middle, and Garrett stalked his ass.
It's very difficult to continue with the run when it's not working. I suggested that we try a semi hurry up offense on a possession, just to try and get some momentum. While we didn't quite do that, we did have a good drive before half that kind of felt like hurry up and out was successful. We didn't score points, but we kept it away from Texans. That's extremely important because we didn't get ball after half.
Lots to like, some things I didn't like, but what a nice victory. Missed you guys in the Tavern, but I had fun hanging with my dad.
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Well the succeeding PI cal on 3rd and 8 didn't hurt any...
For me it was Stef reestablishing our Offensive identity... and Baker's role in that ID. Stef had all his tools back and wasted no time putting them to use. Our OL and run game flat wore the HOU Defense out.
I think we could have played in a dome today and our game plan would not have changed at all. Can't say the same about HOU tho... I think they "protected" Watson... overly so... and found out too late that they could ask him to do more than dink.
We definitely stayed with the plan and didn't mess around. This was an example of STICKING TO IT. You have to remember, it's much harder to run the ball when they KNOW you're running it, and Houston definitely knew we wanted to run. Houston also did an excellent job of knocking us off our play-action passing game, especially the bootlegs. They fired their DE or linebacker directly at the QB instead of paying any attention to the QB. This leaves the cutback lane wide open (our touchdown run) but also completely nullifies virtually any bootleg because Baker won't have time.
You have to give credit to our defense and to our coaches. I was SCREAMING at the television on the 4th and goal play that a QB draw was coming, and throughout the years, this play has absolutely killed us. Well, guess what? Our coaches were ALL OVER that shit and our players executed the plan perfectly. How nice is that? We pinched him inside, Ogunjobi was in the middle, and Garrett stalked his ass.
It's very difficult to continue with the run when it's not working. I suggested that we try a semi hurry up offense on a possession, just to try and get some momentum. While we didn't quite do that, we did have a good drive before half that kind of felt like hurry up and out was successful. We didn't score points, but we kept it away from Texans. That's extremely important because we didn't get ball after half.
Lots to like, some things I didn't like, but what a nice victory. Missed you guys in the Tavern, but I had fun hanging with my dad.
Missed you guys in the Tavern, but I had fun hanging with my dad.
"You chose wisely." - Some Old Knight
But you could have learned a lot about swimming pools and regional differences in their off-season care... also Vegan pizza.
Well... it was kind of a slow game.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Missed you guys in the Tavern, but I had fun hanging with my dad.
"You chose wisely." - Some Old Knight
But you could have learned a lot about swimming pools and regional differences in their off-season care... also Vegan pizza.
Well... it was kind of a slow game.
Well... it was kind of a slow game.
LOL. Boy, it seriously was that. I was about to lose my lunch after Peoples-Jones once AGAIN tried to lose the game fielding a kickoff. He almost buried us against Dallas, and he probably should have killed us yesterday. Starting a drive from our own 2 after giving up a touchdown? Up only 3?! Yikes!
Thank goodness for Chubb and Hunt. ?
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QB Index, Week 12
https://www.nfl.com/news/qb-index-week-12-deshaun-watson-derek-carr-climb
Rank 211^Baker MayfieldCleveland Browns · Year 3Individual Rank: Bhanpuri: 22 | Blair: 20 | Filice: 22 | Parr: 22
2020 stats: 10 games | 60.8 pct | 1,850 pass yds | 7.0 ypa | 15 pass TD | 7 INT | 75 rush yds | 0 rush TD | 1 fumble lost
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Nick Karns makes a solid case for Baker Mayfield...
Nick Karns@karnsies817Both Jared Goff and Ryan Tannehill were considered giant busts before they got a coach who helped them develop within a run first offense. It's almost like players can improve.
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Baker missing some throws lately. Please get consistent Baker
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