The "It's-later-than-you-think" 2021 Mock Draft Thread
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Front to back and inside-out... the time-tested path for building a Defense. Right now we have two building block studs and they both skip a level and are on the outside. So we have plenty of holes to fill. I only followed the recipe with one pick out of the first four, but I never let need purely dictate picks.
Not to be defensive, but I already said I don't know enough at this point. This was my first effort here to deep drive in the upcoming class. Actually took me about 2 hours to get thru the 3 rounds I did as I researched the prospects in the PFN rankings that were within hollering distance of whichever of my picks that was currently on the clock.
The thing about posting the picks any of us make in a mock is they are completely out of context... the context of the way the draft fell. No way in any reasonably sized post to communicate the entire draft, who was already off the board and who you passed over as every pick we own comes up. In this draft's case:
- Both the consensus stud LBs, Parsons and Moses, were off the board after pick 13. Parsons went at #5 overall IIRC.
- DT class is mixed... one did go top 10 IIRC.
- So as I mentioned I did two trade downs, 17 to 18 and then 18 to 19, and took what looked to be the BPA in Farley, who may only play CB vs. S because he's too damn good of a CB.
On the double Wolverines...
- I did not even realize I did that until my summary popped up. Were they both BPA? No idea, but at least I have seen both of these players and the research I read on them matched what I saw. Namely...
- ... while Paye is not quite the quick-twitch, sack-stud MG or Chase Young is, he has what I see as Carlos Dunlap level potential with great run-pass balance. Opposite MG his pass rush impact would be amplified.
- ... meanwhile McGrone is a fast (4.5-ish) LB with nice size (6'1", 235#) who hits sideline to sideline. Play recognition needs work, but he's a strong prospect. Side note is that I went into the mock not thinking about him, but rather Browning (tOSU), Rice (UGA) and Britt (Auburn) as MLB targets all of whom IIRC were ranked much lower by PFN... rankings that I was surprised the reports I read confirmed.
I think I summed up the Deng pick as well as I can in the OP... a raw athletic, kid with a high-ceiling but a low floor. I'll add that I paused a good while over his pick as he feels better built for a 3-4 approach, but in the end some tape of him playing in the middle of Cal's Defense convinced me to pull the trigger. The guy is actually better in pass coverage than he is run D at this point. I shit you not... he flips his hips so well that CBs are jealous.
As I said... "not to be defensive"...
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Chocolate! Anything with Chocolate.. The Wife's grocery list always includes her favorite? Neapolitan .. And just like the kids that refuse to grow-up? We ask, "Why is the Chocolate side, always the first to go? 
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If Nick Chubb can run 'out of bounds' at the one yard line? Than me thinks ? we can put College draftable's & Mock draft talks into a Forum called COLLEGE FOOTBALL(it could sure use some views)... at least, it has it's place till the Browns are eliminated... read ya than... till than.. Let's Beat them Eagles!
Just your luck...The Doc, put me out of work till next Tuesday.... I'll act retired.. do my prescribed drugs & avoid the Polly Board...?
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Chocolate! Anything with Chocolate.. The Wife's grocery list always includes her favorite? Neapolitan .. And just like the kids that refuse to grow-up? We ask, "Why is the Chocolate side, always the first to go? ...
If Nick Chubb can run 'out of bounds' at the one yard line? Than me thinks ? we can put College draftable's & Mock draft talks into a Forum called COLLEGE FOOTBALL(it could sure use some views)... at least, it has it's place till the Browns are eliminated... read ya than... till than.. Let's Beat them Eagles!
Just your luck...The Doc, put me out of work till next Tuesday.... I'll act retired.. do my prescribed drugs & avoid the Polly Board...?
Than me thinks ? we can put College draftable's & Mock draft talks into a Forum called COLLEGE FOOTBALL(it could sure use some views)
Good Idea... I'll ask hoorta to move it.
Meanwhile I just checked out Fanspeak's Sim and with some help from thedraftnetwork.com ended up with this 3-rounder... Fanspeak gives you options on ranking to use, needs assessment list and other things.
A couple notes:
- Yeah.. Parsons ain't likely to fall to us, but if he's there you run to the podium... virtually or otherwise.
- Shelvin feels like more of a 2-gap NT to me, but we offset our DL enough to get him near head up on the C. Run stuffer deluxe and certainly pushes the pocket in Pass rushes.
- I haven't seen much of Ossai, who is listed as Edge suggesting he's more of a 3-4 OLB, but then I read about his coverage abilities and pulled the trigger.
- And then there is my lone repeat Mike, McGrone. Took a long listen at this podcast to help the decision here... It's a bit dated, but he kid is growing on me.
- Note that a couple of my earlier PFN sim picks are top 12 here.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Than me thinks ? we can put College draftable's & Mock draft talks into a Forum called COLLEGE FOOTBALL(it could sure use some views)
Good Idea... I'll ask hoorta to move it.
Meanwhile I just checked out Fanspeak's Sim and with some help from thedraftnetwork.com ended up with this 3-rounder... Fanspeak gives you options on ranking to use, needs assessment list and other things.
A couple notes:
- Yeah.. Parsons ain't likely to fall to us, but if he's there you run to the podium... virtually or otherwise.
- Shelvin feels like more of a 2-gap NT to me, but we offset our DL enough to get him near head up on the C. Run stuffer deluxe and certainly pushes the pocket in Pass rushes.
- I haven't seen much of Ossai, who is listed as Edge suggesting he's more of a 3-4 OLB, but then I read about his coverage abilities and pulled the trigger.
- And then there is my lone repeat Mike, McGrone. Took a long listen at this podcast to help the decision here... It's a bit dated, but he kid is growing on me.
- Note that a couple of my earlier PFN sim picks are top 12 here.
A couple notes:
- Yeah.. Parsons ain't likely to fall to us, but if he's there you run to the podium... virtually or otherwise. Amen, brother!
I'm stuck between putting a angry lumber layer behind just as angry Shelton Richardson? ?... LB Missouri--Nick Bolton (us or keep this hammer out of the AFCN)_ https://www.profootballnetwork.com/missouri-lb-nick-bolton-challenge-top-linebacker-spot/
I haven't seen much of Ossai, who is listed as Edge suggesting he's more of a 3-4 OLB, but then I read about his coverage abilities and pulled the trigger.
- --OR---aka J.O.K.. Owusu from ND.. Watch this guy blanket cover a TE ?... Have i mentioned, Brian Kelly's coaching staff maybe coaching the best OL & Tackling techniques ahead of the draft?
- And then there is my lone repeat Mike, McGrone. Took a long listen at this podcast to help the decision here... It's a bit dated, but he kid is growing on me. I only saw pieces of McGrone vs Wisconsin.. hoping to see more of...he had his hands full
Early note.. Tarheel's LB Chazz Surratt may have a higher GPA than Andrew Berry ? ...stay tuned..
my early bites ^^
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I won't even pretend to know who should fill the following positions as of today, but I'm going to take a leap of faith and say that the safety position will be manned next year by Harrison at SS and Delpit at FS.
DLine needs help. Richardson's best days are behind him, and I'm if Ogunjobi will get an extension. Myles at the one DE spot is adequate, I suppose, but obviously there needs an upgrade opposite him at the other DE.
LBs are obvious. There isn't a LB on the roster today that could not use an upgrade. Lot of youth on the roster at this position, but which of the young guys makes anyone go "Now, with THIS guy, we have something to build on!"
Denzel Ward is a very good starter at CB, but I'd have no problem adding another high if it fell that way. Greedy Williams might as well be in the Witness Relocation Program, talking about how he ordered spaghetti with marinara and got egg noodles and ketchup.
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I won't even pretend to know who should fill the following positions as of today, but I'm going to take a leap of faith and say that the safety position will be manned next year by Harrison at SS and Delpit at FS.
DLine needs help. Richardson's best days are behind him, and I'm if Ogunjobi will get an extension. Myles at the one DE spot is adequate, I suppose, but obviously there needs an upgrade opposite him at the other DE.
LBs are obvious. There isn't a LB on the roster today that could not use an upgrade. Lot of youth on the roster at this position, but which of the young guys makes anyone go "Now, with THIS guy, we have something to build on!"
Denzel Ward is a very good starter at CB, but I'd have no problem adding another high if it fell that way. Greedy Williams might as well be in the Witness Relocation Program, talking about how he ordered spaghetti with marinara and got egg noodles and ketchup.
... spaghetti with marinara and got egg noodles and ketchup.
So now we're talkin' spaghetti sauces?
Well.... OK...
Hunt's Traditional is my base sauce, but only pour it after...
- browning a slab of ground It. sausage (mild) in EVOO... brown, flip brown and only then break up into chunks for final browning then set aside on papertowel;
- saute onions, garlic and mushrooms in EVOO of course.. also remove and set aside;
- deglazing the cast iron skillet with bad red wine that I cook down by half after adding It. seasoning and red pepper flakes;
- then comes the Hunts; and
- all the reserved goodies.
Add any left over Parm rinds... it'll do it no harm...
Simmer on low for about an hour or until thickened folding it occasionally and it'll rock your world...
Grandkids even named it... PAghetti sauce.
Sometime I'll tell you about Breakfast PAtatoes...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Sauteing those onions is good.. try caramelizing them! And for slow-cooking a stew or curry, I can't get enough of my Staub enameled cast iron cocotte.
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Sauteing those onions is good.. try caramelizing them! And for slow-cooking a stew or curry, I can't get enough of my Staub enameled cast iron cocotte.
... try caramelizing them!
I do that sometimes... accidentally...
Actually had a great, happy accident once when I was prepping a topping for some Pork Loin cutlets.
I'd done them previously with onion. I'd done them previously with diced apple. This nite after a "why not" moment I was doing both in combo.
Anywho... I walked away for a bit and the caramelization of both began. It was freaking delicious.
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Meanwhile back at the thread...
Did another PFN mock... First, I have to say that anyone into mock sims needs to try this one. Very sophisticated... very well thought out user interface. When considering a trade you can see the needs of teams between you current and potential pick, and the sim's trade value chart by drafttek (it's a new-ish one).
It's only drawbacks are that:
- it offers no ranking choices so it tends to get repetitive; and
- while the sim is free the PFN Scouting reports are subscription... no biggie tho... I just open thedraftnetwork's mock-draft-machine in another tab and use their scouting summaries as a springboard to deeper dives as needed. One side benefit of opening TDN's page is you can see that rankings are far from consensus ATM.
See Repetition Exhibit A below... The only reason I did not end up with Kwity again was that I also drafted for HOU and "they" took him in at #70... but that freed me to trade down a few spots.
I included the Top 8 in this post. So far every sim run has Lawrence and Fields going 1-2. Lance, seen here at #7, is the interesting one. He is the #3 QB off the board, but teams move up to tab him in some pretty substantial trades. Below it was Indy who gave up about 5 picks to CIN to move up 16 spots, but in my first sim it was NE that gave up a couple future firsts in a six-pick package to DAL to take Lance at #4.
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the problem this freaking early, is we don't know who will declare for the mock draft. There are always juniors that might come out
a year early, and be first round picks, etc.
One lb is a sleeper - 6'4' 260, and is a rising star with his team. Lost no speed. Used to be a rb and qb earlier in hs.
Has already been named the Bronko Nagurski National Defensive Player of the Week this season. I think Merlin Robertson, not the guy above, is also a possible late 1st round pick at olb. It's so early though, who knows. I like him better at round 2 for right now....
Parsons and Caleb Farley will be long gone by the time the Browns pick, which I am guessing, will be in the twenties.
way too early.
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Ty Fryfogle WR
I know we need defense find a wayTy Fryfogle WR
I know we need defense find a wayHe's a stud, for sure.
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I think I'm addicted... now up to five rounds
- Rousseau looks to be too good to fall to us, but WTH.... he was there this time.
- Campbell's 6'2" "with fluid hips"
- Owusu is considered by some sites to be a 1st-rounder, but he's a tweener... I see him as SS paired with Delpit at least initially.
- Levi's reportedly a quick-twitch DT with strength.
- Rice is my bargain Mike. Watched him last year and am shocked to see him saddled with a 3/4 round grade... but stock is on the rise.
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Tutu is a flea... 165# and runs a 4.24... ... he might break, but you have to catch him first.
- McNeil is a bigger DT, but also billed as a penetrator. ====> gum? What say you?
- Rose is one of those motor kids... happens to be on Fox playing KSU as I type this.
- Wiggins has already had and come back from an ACL in 2018 and now is out with a shoulder issue... possibly for balance of the year, but has size, speed and skill per reports I read.
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Because they are there...
Not watching a lot of NCAA this season so thought I'd start mocking a little earlier than normal. I always use mocks to make me get more familiar with the draft class.
First up was PFN's slick mock sim complete with reasonable trade action. Focusing on top 100 or so I only did three rounds for now.
Of course one of the things about mocking this early the sim guessing where teams will pick. PFN's has us picking 17th as of now.
I had multiple offers for the 17th pick and moved down to 18 turning a 5th rnd pick into a 3rd in the process in a deal with TN. Then I called back the Iggles who had offered me their 19th (bad guess on their finish.... I hope) and dealt #18 and the 5th I'd picked up for their 19th and a 2021 2nd-rounder. PTG made me an offer in the 3rd round that I did netting their 2021 5th.
Here are the results...
- The top two LBs were gone in the top 13 (3 QBs were taken in the top 4) so I went with VaTechs long, fast CB who has FS potential to boot.
- In round 2 I nabbed a potential bookend for MG.
- In the 3rd I got my fast thumper in the middle and the 2nd coming of the Mad Stork in Cal's 6'6", 250# Deng who played MLB for the Golden Bears, but I see moving outside. Deng is still raw, but he's fast and really agile for his height allowing him to cover TEs with ease.
Because they are there...
Not watching a lot of NCAA this season so thought I'd start mocking a little earlier than normal. I always use mocks to make me get more familiar with the draft class.
First up was PFN's slick mock sim complete with reasonable trade action. Focusing on top 100 or so I only did three rounds for now.
Of course one of the things about mocking this early the sim guessing where teams will pick. PFN's has us picking 17th as of now.
I had multiple offers for the 17th pick and moved down to 18 turning a 5th rnd pick into a 3rd in the process in a deal with TN. Then I called back the Iggles who had offered me their 19th (bad guess on their finish.... I hope) and dealt #18 and the 5th I'd picked up for their 19th and a 2021 2nd-rounder. PTG made me an offer in the 3rd round that I did netting their 2021 5th.
Here are the results...
- The top two LBs were gone in the top 13 (3 QBs were taken in the top 4) so I went with VaTechs long, fast CB who has FS potential to boot.
- In round 2 I nabbed a potential bookend for MG.
- In the 3rd I got my fast thumper in the middle and the 2nd coming of the Mad Stork in Cal's 6'6", 250# Deng who played MLB for the Golden Bears, but I see moving outside. Deng is still raw, but he's fast and really agile for his height allowing him to cover TEs with ease.
Paye will be gone before 49
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Because they are there...
Not watching a lot of NCAA this season so thought I'd start mocking a little earlier than normal. I always use mocks to make me get more familiar with the draft class.
First up was PFN's slick mock sim complete with reasonable trade action. Focusing on top 100 or so I only did three rounds for now.
Of course one of the things about mocking this early the sim guessing where teams will pick. PFN's has us picking 17th as of now.
I had multiple offers for the 17th pick and moved down to 18 turning a 5th rnd pick into a 3rd in the process in a deal with TN. Then I called back the Iggles who had offered me their 19th (bad guess on their finish.... I hope) and dealt #18 and the 5th I'd picked up for their 19th and a 2021 2nd-rounder. PTG made me an offer in the 3rd round that I did netting their 2021 5th.
Here are the results...
- The top two LBs were gone in the top 13 (3 QBs were taken in the top 4) so I went with VaTechs long, fast CB who has FS potential to boot.
- In round 2 I nabbed a potential bookend for MG.
- In the 3rd I got my fast thumper in the middle and the 2nd coming of the Mad Stork in Cal's 6'6", 250# Deng who played MLB for the Golden Bears, but I see moving outside. Deng is still raw, but he's fast and really agile for his height allowing him to cover TEs with ease.
Paye will be gone before 49
Paye will be gone before 49
Probably.... Just a big ranking difference. PFN has him as a 2nd while thedraftnetwork has him as a mid-first. DraftScout has him as a 1st.
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Than me thinks ? we can put College draftable's & Mock draft talks into a Forum called COLLEGE FOOTBALL(it could sure use some views)
Good Idea... I'll ask hoorta to move it.
Meanwhile I just checked out Fanspeak's Sim and with some help from thedraftnetwork.com ended up with this 3-rounder... Fanspeak gives you options on ranking to use, needs assessment list and other things.
A couple notes:
- Yeah.. Parsons ain't likely to fall to us, but if he's there you run to the podium... virtually or otherwise.
- Shelvin feels like more of a 2-gap NT to me, but we offset our DL enough to get him near head up on the C. Run stuffer deluxe and certainly pushes the pocket in Pass rushes.
- I haven't seen much of Ossai, who is listed as Edge suggesting he's more of a 3-4 OLB, but then I read about his coverage abilities and pulled the trigger.
- And then there is my lone repeat Mike, McGrone. Took a long listen at this podcast to help the decision here... It's a bit dated, but he kid is growing on me.
- Note that a couple of my earlier PFN sim picks are top 12 here.
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Welcome back...
Fired up FanSpeak, my least fav sim, but does add another perspective.
Again I'm seeing Owusu at SS.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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