Big Ben sets new record
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I think that Browns' running corps has a lot to do with how much the Browns offense has produced, so I'm still not giving it to you 100% Gipper. But yeah, none of them have had incredible stats/performances.
I think that Browns' running corps has a lot to do with how much the Browns offense has produced, so I'm still not giving it to you 100% Gipper. But yeah, none of them have had incredible stats/performances.
Certainly they have, but I am just saying that BR does NOT have to overcome a piss poor defense......Baker does, and even though they both certainly have help on their offenses, they are still the trigger men. And BR has not had to overcome the loss of one of the premier WRs in this league, like Baker.
Baker, plain and simple has had far rougher hurdles to overcome....and has been more critical to the team's success.
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I think that Browns' running corps has a lot to do with how much the Browns offense has produced, so I'm still not giving it to you 100% Gipper. But yeah, none of them have had incredible stats/performances.
Certainly they have, but I am just saying that BR does NOT have to overcome a piss poor defense......Baker does, and even though they both certainly have help on their offenses, they are still the trigger men. And BR has not had to overcome the loss of one of the premier WRs in this league, like Baker.
Baker, plain and simple has had far rougher hurdles to overcome....and has been more critical to the team's success.
Certainly they have, but I am just saying that BR does NOT have to overcome a piss poor defense......Baker does, and even though they both certainly have help on their offenses, they are still the trigger men. And BR has not had to overcome the loss of one of the premier WRs in this league, like Baker.
Baker, plain and simple has had far rougher hurdles to overcome....and has been more critical to the team's success.
Could be. But if it were a 1 year deal, I would trade Ben for Baker in a heartbeat. BR doesn't make as many mistakes as Baker does, and that's what we need at QB at the moment.
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Certainly they have, but I am just saying that BR does NOT have to overcome a piss poor defense......Baker does, and even though they both certainly have help on their offenses, they are still the trigger men. And BR has not had to overcome the loss of one of the premier WRs in this league, like Baker.
Baker, plain and simple has had far rougher hurdles to overcome....and has been more critical to the team's success.
Could be. But if it were a 1 year deal, I would trade Ben for Baker in a heartbeat. BR doesn't make as many mistakes as Baker does, and that's what we need at QB at the moment.
Could be. But if it were a 1 year deal, I would trade Ben for Baker in a heartbeat. BR doesn't make as many mistakes as Baker does, and that's what we need at QB at the moment.
Well, a couple of things: BR playing the dink/dunk game seems to give him some better stats; Baker takes more chances than he does. That and the fact that yes, the Browns are more reliant on their run game...because they have much better runners than Pitt.
Here are their stats;
BR: 223/334 for 2267 yards; Baker 149/243 for 1646 yards.
BR: 66.8% comp. pct. Baker 61.3%
BR: 22 TDs 6.6 TD %; Baker 15 TDs 6.2 TD%
BR: 4 Int. Baker 7 Ints
BR: 6.6 ypa, 10.2 ypc; Baker 7.3 ypa 11.9 ypc.
BR 3 30 pt. games. Baker 5 30 pt. games.
And then there are these stats:
Pittsburgh defense: 2863 yds allowed 171 pts. allowed. 19.0 pts per game
Browns defense: 3214 yards allowed 244 pts. allowed 27.1 pts per game.....over a TD more per game, which of course is huge.
The Browns are actually outgaining Pitt on offense ever so slightly: 3130 to 3105 yards. But Pitt has scored more pts. 271 to 216.
Note this stat also:
Browns are 3-0 in one score games. (7 pt. margin or less) Steelers are 5-0 in one score games.
So, the Steelers, despite their 9-0 record are NOT blowing people out as much as you would think, because despite the sterling play of their defense, their offense is not as dominant.
Browns rush offense ranks #4 with 1431 yds and 9 TDs....or #3 in YPG (AZ has played 10 games now which puts them ahead of the Browns....Ravens and Pats are the other 2)
Pitt is #25 with 916 yds and 9 TDs.
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**** Nick Chubb running out of bounds at the 1 yard line made the Texans game a 1 score game. Otherwise it likely would have been a 10 pt. win. While that play worked out, I still don't think it was necessary for him to do.
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Could be. But if it were a 1 year deal, I would trade Ben for Baker in a heartbeat. BR doesn't make as many mistakes as Baker does, and that's what we need at QB at the moment.
Well, a couple of things: BR playing the dink/dunk game seems to give him some better stats; Baker takes more chances than he does. That and the fact that yes, the Browns are more reliant on their run game...because they have much better runners than Pitt.
Here are their stats;
BR: 223/334 for 2267 yards; Baker 149/243 for 1646 yards.
BR: 66.8% comp. pct. Baker 61.3%
BR: 22 TDs 6.6 TD %; Baker 15 TDs 6.2 TD%
BR: 4 Int. Baker 7 Ints
BR: 6.6 ypa, 10.2 ypc; Baker 7.3 ypa 11.9 ypc.
BR 3 30 pt. games. Baker 5 30 pt. games.
And then there are these stats:
Pittsburgh defense: 2863 yds allowed 171 pts. allowed. 19.0 pts per game
Browns defense: 3214 yards allowed 244 pts. allowed 27.1 pts per game.....over a TD more per game, which of course is huge.
The Browns are actually outgaining Pitt on offense ever so slightly: 3130 to 3105 yards. But Pitt has scored more pts. 271 to 216.
Note this stat also:
Browns are 3-0 in one score games. (7 pt. margin or less) Steelers are 5-0 in one score games.
So, the Steelers, despite their 9-0 record are NOT blowing people out as much as you would think, because despite the sterling play of their defense, their offense is not as dominant.
Browns rush offense ranks #4 with 1431 yds and 9 TDs....or #3 in YPG (AZ has played 10 games now which puts them ahead of the Browns....Ravens and Pats are the other 2)
Pitt is #25 with 916 yds and 9 TDs.
Here are their stats;
BR: 6.6 ypa, 10.2 ypc; Baker 7.3 ypa 11.9 ypc.
I'm curious where you are getting these stats from?
I looked up their yards/attempt last night, and Pro Football Reference has them both at 6.8 yards/attempt. You have Baker at half a yard more than Roethlisberger.
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Here are their stats;
BR: 6.6 ypa, 10.2 ypc; Baker 7.3 ypa 11.9 ypc.
I'm curious where you are getting these stats from?
I looked up their yards/attempt last night, and Pro Football Reference has them both at 6.8 yards/attempt. You have Baker at half a yard more than Roethlisberger.
I'm curious where you are getting these stats from?
I looked up their yards/attempt last night, and Pro Football Reference has them both at 6.8 yards/attempt. You have Baker at half a yard more than Roethlisberger.
I got them from Pro-Football Reference! Today. Maybe they should be double checked.
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They crying all over pukeberg sports radio that raplisberger isnt in the discussion for mvp
There is a good reason....all he is doing is dinking and dunking. I did a play by play search of one game wherein of over 30 passes he threw, only like 3 of them went over maybe 15 yards downfield in the air. MVP means that he is the most instrumental person on a team for that team's success. BR is not that. Not this year.
There is a good reason....all he is doing is dinking and dunking. I did a play by play search of one game wherein of over 30 passes he threw, only like 3 of them went over maybe 15 yards downfield in the air. MVP means that he is the most instrumental person on a team for that team's success. BR is not that. Not this year.
Gtfo. It's all tom brady has done most of his career. How many has he gotten? It's not even steelers week in here and look at you goons foaming at the mouth. It's pretty pathetic. ??
Edit: I'm glad there are some in here talking some sense tho. Ben has been awesome this season. Do I think he should get mvp? I really don't fucking care as its about 7 and not pointless hardware. He's also not just "dunking and dunking" but again it's funny that Tom Brady never caught shit for it. It's hilarious and just shows how much disdain there is for pittsburgh by being a top flight franchise from top to bottom. It's alright to be jealous dick heads. Own it.
Edit: they also aren't now 10-0 just because of the defense. Ben is on pace to shatter his his single season touchdown record. You should disconnect your umbilical cords from shitty ass PFF who have okay analytics for certain positions and terrible ones for others.
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There is a good reason....all he is doing is dinking and dunking. I did a play by play search of one game wherein of over 30 passes he threw, only like 3 of them went over maybe 15 yards downfield in the air. MVP means that he is the most instrumental person on a team for that team's success. BR is not that. Not this year.
Gtfo. It's all tom brady has done most of his career. How many has he gotten? It's not even steelers week in here and look at you goons foaming at the mouth. It's pretty pathetic. ??
Edit: I'm glad there are some in here talking some sense tho. Ben has been awesome this season. Do I think he should get mvp? I really don't fucking care as its about 7 and not pointless hardware. He's also not just "dunking and dunking" but again it's funny that Tom Brady never caught shit for it. It's hilarious and just shows how much disdain there is for pittsburgh by being a top flight franchise from top to bottom. It's alright to be jealous dick heads. Own it.
Edit: they also aren't now 10-0 just because of the defense. Ben is on pace to shatter his his single season touchdown record. You should disconnect your umbilical cords from shitty ass PFF who have okay analytics for certain positions and terrible ones for others.
Gtfo. It's all tom brady has done most of his career. How many has he gotten? It's not even steelers week in here and look at you goons foaming at the mouth. It's pretty pathetic. ??
Edit: I'm glad there are some in here talking some sense tho. Ben has been awesome this season. Do I think he should get mvp? I really don't fucking care as its about 7 and not pointless hardware. He's also not just "dunking and dunking" but again it's funny that Tom Brady never caught shit for it. It's hilarious and just shows how much disdain there is for pittsburgh by being a top flight franchise from top to bottom. It's alright to be jealous dick heads. Own it.
Edit: they also aren't now 10-0 just because of the defense. Ben is on pace to shatter his his single season touchdown record. You should disconnect your umbilical cords from shitty ass PFF who have okay analytics for certain positions and terrible ones for others.
The question is whether or not either Baker or BR are more instrumental to their team's success.
Baker is every bit as essential or essential to this team's current success as BR. Because, again, BR does NOT have to score like 30+ pts a game.
Is BR having a good year? Yes....but he is still dinking and dunking....far more than Brady ever did. (you are in complete Trump mode on that issue...lying in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.) But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
And the other question is: is BR in the MVP conversation. The answer is clearly NOT....because of what I said....he is clearly not as instrumental to his team's success as is a dozen other players in this league.
(In addition to the QBs I listed above....perhaps throw in Derrick Henry in their as well.
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Gtfo. It's all tom brady has done most of his career. How many has he gotten? It's not even steelers week in here and look at you goons foaming at the mouth. It's pretty pathetic. ??
Edit: I'm glad there are some in here talking some sense tho. Ben has been awesome this season. Do I think he should get mvp? I really don't fucking care as its about 7 and not pointless hardware. He's also not just "dunking and dunking" but again it's funny that Tom Brady never caught shit for it. It's hilarious and just shows how much disdain there is for pittsburgh by being a top flight franchise from top to bottom. It's alright to be jealous dick heads. Own it.
Edit: they also aren't now 10-0 just because of the defense. Ben is on pace to shatter his his single season touchdown record. You should disconnect your umbilical cords from shitty ass PFF who have okay analytics for certain positions and terrible ones for others.
The question is whether or not either Baker or BR are more instrumental to their team's success.
Baker is every bit as essential or essential to this team's current success as BR. Because, again, BR does NOT have to score like 30+ pts a game.
Is BR having a good year? Yes....but he is still dinking and dunking....far more than Brady ever did. (you are in complete Trump mode on that issue...lying in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.) But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
And the other question is: is BR in the MVP conversation. The answer is clearly NOT....because of what I said....he is clearly not as instrumental to his team's success as is a dozen other players in this league.
(In addition to the QBs I listed above....perhaps throw in Derrick Henry in their as well.
But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
Oh Gipper. Gip, Gip, Gip.
That's just a horrible take.
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Gtfo. It's all tom brady has done most of his career. How many has he gotten? It's not even steelers week in here and look at you goons foaming at the mouth. It's pretty pathetic. ??
Edit: I'm glad there are some in here talking some sense tho. Ben has been awesome this season. Do I think he should get mvp? I really don't fucking care as its about 7 and not pointless hardware. He's also not just "dunking and dunking" but again it's funny that Tom Brady never caught shit for it. It's hilarious and just shows how much disdain there is for pittsburgh by being a top flight franchise from top to bottom. It's alright to be jealous dick heads. Own it.
Edit: they also aren't now 10-0 just because of the defense. Ben is on pace to shatter his his single season touchdown record. You should disconnect your umbilical cords from shitty ass PFF who have okay analytics for certain positions and terrible ones for others.
The question is whether or not either Baker or BR are more instrumental to their team's success.
Baker is every bit as essential or essential to this team's current success as BR. Because, again, BR does NOT have to score like 30+ pts a game.
Is BR having a good year? Yes....but he is still dinking and dunking....far more than Brady ever did. (you are in complete Trump mode on that issue...lying in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.) But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
And the other question is: is BR in the MVP conversation. The answer is clearly NOT....because of what I said....he is clearly not as instrumental to his team's success as is a dozen other players in this league.
(In addition to the QBs I listed above....perhaps throw in Derrick Henry in their as well.
The question is whether or not either Baker or BR are more instrumental to their team's success.
Baker is every bit as essential or essential to this team's current success as BR. Because, again, BR does NOT have to score like 30+ pts a game.
Is BR having a good year? Yes....but he is still dinking and dunking....far more than Brady ever did. (you are in complete Trump mode on that issue...lying in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.) But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
And the other question is: is BR in the MVP conversation. The answer is clearly NOT....because of what I said....he is clearly not as instrumental to his team's success as is a dozen other players in this league.
(In addition to the QBs I listed above....perhaps throw in Derrick Henry in their as well.
Gipper you never form your own opinions. You go off the talking heads, PFF etc and then come to a conclusion. Anyone suggesting Ben isn't instrumental to the steelers 10-0 record isn't paying attention. Ben also takes quite a few shots per game down field. The man did avulse all his tendons off his elbow. Brady is king of the 10-15 yard pass so again gipper talking out of his ass. I'm used to it but know when I read your diatribes the entire time I'm rolling my eyes.
I'm perfectly fine with the steelers somehow "flying under the radar" at 10-0.
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But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
Oh Gipper. Gip, Gip, Gip.
That's just a horrible take.
Oh Gipper. Gip, Gip, Gip.
That's just a horrible take.
Gipper is a horrible take machine. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy in person but he's near the fucking bottom excluding the full tilt mouth breathers here of people I'd go to for any sort of breakdown. Be better gipper. You fucking suck at this.
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But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
Oh Gipper. Gip, Gip, Gip.
That's just a horrible take.
Oh Gipper. Gip, Gip, Gip.
That's just a horrible take.
It may be a bit of a stretch, but I don't think it is far off. It is a "bad take because it is so close to being accurate."
After today the Steelers will be #1 in defensive points allowed. I think the Duck could have carried them to a fine record with that defense.
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Oh Gipper. Gip, Gip, Gip.
That's just a horrible take.
It may be a bit of a stretch, but I don't think it is far off. It is a "bad take because it is so close to being accurate."
After today the Steelers will be #1 in defensive points allowed. I think the Duck could have carried them to a fine record with that defense.
It may be a bit of a stretch, but I don't think it is far off. It is a "bad take because it is so close to being accurate."
After today the Steelers will be #1 in defensive points allowed. I think the Duck could have carried them to a fine record with that defense.
No gipper, it's a terrible fucking take. Again Ben is poised to shatter his single season td record. He drops dimes on wr's deep every single game. Throws lazers in tight coverage. No one in Pittsburgh gives a single shit about hardware other than a Lombardi. You don't watch much football, that is clear.
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The question is whether or not either Baker or BR are more instrumental to their team's success.
Baker is every bit as essential or essential to this team's current success as BR. Because, again, BR does NOT have to score like 30+ pts a game.
Is BR having a good year? Yes....but he is still dinking and dunking....far more than Brady ever did. (you are in complete Trump mode on that issue...lying in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.) But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
And the other question is: is BR in the MVP conversation. The answer is clearly NOT....because of what I said....he is clearly not as instrumental to his team's success as is a dozen other players in this league.
(In addition to the QBs I listed above....perhaps throw in Derrick Henry in their as well.
Gipper you never form your own opinions. You go off the talking heads, PFF etc and then come to a conclusion. Anyone suggesting Ben isn't instrumental to the steelers 10-0 record isn't paying attention. Ben also takes quite a few shots per game down field. The man did avulse all his tendons off his elbow. Brady is king of the 10-15 yard pass so again gipper talking out of his ass. I'm used to it but know when I read your diatribes the entire time I'm rolling my eyes.
I'm perfectly fine with the steelers somehow "flying under the radar" at 10-0.
Gipper you never form your own opinions. You go off the talking heads, PFF etc and then come to a conclusion. Anyone suggesting Ben isn't instrumental to the steelers 10-0 record isn't paying attention. Ben also takes quite a few shots per game down field. The man did avulse all his tendons off his elbow. Brady is king of the 10-15 yard pass so again gipper talking out of his ass. I'm used to it but know when I read your diatribe the entire time I'm rolling my eyes.
I'm perfectly fine with the steelers somehow "flying under the radar" at 10-0.
You are as dumb a Khunt as it appears. To think that I don't form my own opinions is laughable....to anyone that knows me, including anyone here.
First off, I never consult PFF. PFR, yes, for basic stats. And trust me, while I listen to some talking heads...that is what smart people do....they listen and learn.
YOU are the one without a single scientient thought to you. You just give the typical Stupidsteelerfan babble that is scripted for you. And while Brady may hae historically been less of a downfield thrower than BR, we are talking about THIS year...not the last 17 years.
The reason you roll your eyes is because you know that I am not going to let you get away with your bullshit propaganda.
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year. No matter how much Trumpism you want to put on it....THAT is the basic truth.
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Oh Gipper. Gip, Gip, Gip.
That's just a horrible take.
Gipper is a horrible take machine. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy in person but he's near the fucking bottom excluding the full tilt mouth breathers here of people I'd go to for any sort of breakdown. Be better gipper. You fucking suck at this.
Gipper is a horrible take machine. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy in person but he's near the fucking bottom excluding the full tilt mouth breathers here of people I'd go to for any sort of breakdown. Be better gipper. You fucking suck at this.
I am actually a master at it.....because I make you face the truth.
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Gipper you never form your own opinions. You go off the talking heads, PFF etc and then come to a conclusion. Anyone suggesting Ben isn't instrumental to the steelers 10-0 record isn't paying attention. Ben also takes quite a few shots per game down field. The man did avulse all his tendons off his elbow. Brady is king of the 10-15 yard pass so again gipper talking out of his ass. I'm used to it but know when I read your diatribe the entire time I'm rolling my eyes.
I'm perfectly fine with the steelers somehow "flying under the radar" at 10-0.
You are as dumb a Khunt as it appears. To think that I don't form my own opinions is laughable....to anyone that knows me, including anyone here.
First off, I never consult PFF. PFR, yes, for basic stats. And trust me, while I listen to some talking heads...that is what smart people do....they listen and learn.
YOU are the one without a single scientient thought to you. You just give the typical Stupidsteelerfan babble that is scripted for you. And while Brady may hae historically been less of a downfield thrower than BR, we are talking about THIS year...not the last 17 years.
The reason you roll your eyes is because you know that I am not going to let you get away with your bullshit propaganda.
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year. No matter how much Trumpism you want to put on it....THAT is the basic truth.
You are as dumb a Khunt as it appears. To think that I don't form my own opinions is laughable....to anyone that knows me, including anyone here.
First off, I never consult PFF. PFR, yes, for basic stats. And trust me, while I listen to some talking heads...that is what smart people do....they listen and learn.
YOU are the one without a single scientient thought to you. You just give the typical Stupidsteelerfan babble that is scripted for you. And while Brady may hae historically been less of a downfield thrower than BR, we are talking about THIS year...not the last 17 years.
The reason you roll your eyes is because you know that I am not going to let you get away with your bullshit propaganda.
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year. No matter how much Trumpism you want to put on it....THAT is the basic truth.
Watch more football. I don't give a single fuck about mvp. We are 10-0 and rolling. The team is very close as well on and off the field. It's a recipe for success. Everyone in Pittsburgh is used to Ben not getting the credit he deserves and no one gives a shit. Your opinions are trash and it's nearly religion here. You post sooooo much it's impossible for people to get away from it.
Edit: fuck gipper I've been here as long as you have I believe, at least on this version of the board. I joined back in 2007-2008 on my old name. You have nearly 60k posts. You should maybe just try shutting the fuck up sometimes. ?
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Gipper is a horrible take machine. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy in person but he's near the fucking bottom excluding the full tilt mouth breathers here of people I'd go to for any sort of breakdown. Be better gipper. You fucking suck at this.
I am actually a master at it.....because I make you face the truth.
I am actually a master at it.....because I make you face the truth.
You did a great job at predicting how this season would go in Pittsburgh. Shall I dig up some old takes from this season from gipper? I really don't want to take the time but I know they are there.
Read this.
10-0
And not slowing down.
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It may be a bit of a stretch, but I don't think it is far off. It is a "bad take because it is so close to being accurate."
After today the Steelers will be #1 in defensive points allowed. I think the Duck could have carried them to a fine record with that defense.
No gipper, it's a terrible fucking take. Again Ben is poised to shatter his single season td record. He drops dimes on wr's deep every single game. Throws lazers in tight coverage. No one in Pittsburgh gives a single shit about hardware other than a Lombardi. You don't watch much football, that is clear.
No gipper, it's a terrible fucking take. Again Ben is poised to shatter his single season td record. He drops dimes on wr's deep every single game. Throws lazers in tight coverage. No one in Pittsburgh gives a single shit about hardware other than a Lombardi. You don't watch much football, that is clear.
He does all that within 10 yards. I mean, so what if he shatters HIS single season TD record. Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers, and yes, Brady all have more TDs than him so far.
And that team wins because of defense.....BR helps some.
But I will repeat:
BR is NOT a candidate for the MVP. And if you are not worried about any hardware but the Lombardi, why are you arguing with me on that point.
Or....do you actually agree with it?
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