Big Ben sets new record
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There is a good reason....all he is doing is dinking and dunking. I did a play by play search of one game wherein of over 30 passes he threw, only like 3 of them went over maybe 15 yards downfield in the air. MVP means that he is the most instrumental person on a team for that team's success. BR is not that. Not this year.
Gtfo. It's all tom brady has done most of his career. How many has he gotten? It's not even steelers week in here and look at you goons foaming at the mouth. It's pretty pathetic. ??
Edit: I'm glad there are some in here talking some sense tho. Ben has been awesome this season. Do I think he should get mvp? I really don't fucking care as its about 7 and not pointless hardware. He's also not just "dunking and dunking" but again it's funny that Tom Brady never caught shit for it. It's hilarious and just shows how much disdain there is for pittsburgh by being a top flight franchise from top to bottom. It's alright to be jealous dick heads. Own it.
Edit: they also aren't now 10-0 just because of the defense. Ben is on pace to shatter his his single season touchdown record. You should disconnect your umbilical cords from shitty ass PFF who have okay analytics for certain positions and terrible ones for others.
Gtfo. It's all tom brady has done most of his career. How many has he gotten? It's not even steelers week in here and look at you goons foaming at the mouth. It's pretty pathetic. ??
Edit: I'm glad there are some in here talking some sense tho. Ben has been awesome this season. Do I think he should get mvp? I really don't fucking care as its about 7 and not pointless hardware. He's also not just "dunking and dunking" but again it's funny that Tom Brady never caught shit for it. It's hilarious and just shows how much disdain there is for pittsburgh by being a top flight franchise from top to bottom. It's alright to be jealous dick heads. Own it.
Edit: they also aren't now 10-0 just because of the defense. Ben is on pace to shatter his his single season touchdown record. You should disconnect your umbilical cords from shitty ass PFF who have okay analytics for certain positions and terrible ones for others.
The question is whether or not either Baker or BR are more instrumental to their team's success.
Baker is every bit as essential or essential to this team's current success as BR. Because, again, BR does NOT have to score like 30+ pts a game.
Is BR having a good year? Yes....but he is still dinking and dunking....far more than Brady ever did. (you are in complete Trump mode on that issue...lying in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.) But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
And the other question is: is BR in the MVP conversation. The answer is clearly NOT....because of what I said....he is clearly not as instrumental to his team's success as is a dozen other players in this league.
(In addition to the QBs I listed above....perhaps throw in Derrick Henry in their as well.
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Gtfo. It's all tom brady has done most of his career. How many has he gotten? It's not even steelers week in here and look at you goons foaming at the mouth. It's pretty pathetic. ??
Edit: I'm glad there are some in here talking some sense tho. Ben has been awesome this season. Do I think he should get mvp? I really don't fucking care as its about 7 and not pointless hardware. He's also not just "dunking and dunking" but again it's funny that Tom Brady never caught shit for it. It's hilarious and just shows how much disdain there is for pittsburgh by being a top flight franchise from top to bottom. It's alright to be jealous dick heads. Own it.
Edit: they also aren't now 10-0 just because of the defense. Ben is on pace to shatter his his single season touchdown record. You should disconnect your umbilical cords from shitty ass PFF who have okay analytics for certain positions and terrible ones for others.
The question is whether or not either Baker or BR are more instrumental to their team's success.
Baker is every bit as essential or essential to this team's current success as BR. Because, again, BR does NOT have to score like 30+ pts a game.
Is BR having a good year? Yes....but he is still dinking and dunking....far more than Brady ever did. (you are in complete Trump mode on that issue...lying in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.) But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
And the other question is: is BR in the MVP conversation. The answer is clearly NOT....because of what I said....he is clearly not as instrumental to his team's success as is a dozen other players in this league.
(In addition to the QBs I listed above....perhaps throw in Derrick Henry in their as well.
But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
Oh Gipper. Gip, Gip, Gip.
That's just a horrible take.
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Gtfo. It's all tom brady has done most of his career. How many has he gotten? It's not even steelers week in here and look at you goons foaming at the mouth. It's pretty pathetic. ??
Edit: I'm glad there are some in here talking some sense tho. Ben has been awesome this season. Do I think he should get mvp? I really don't fucking care as its about 7 and not pointless hardware. He's also not just "dunking and dunking" but again it's funny that Tom Brady never caught shit for it. It's hilarious and just shows how much disdain there is for pittsburgh by being a top flight franchise from top to bottom. It's alright to be jealous dick heads. Own it.
Edit: they also aren't now 10-0 just because of the defense. Ben is on pace to shatter his his single season touchdown record. You should disconnect your umbilical cords from shitty ass PFF who have okay analytics for certain positions and terrible ones for others.
The question is whether or not either Baker or BR are more instrumental to their team's success.
Baker is every bit as essential or essential to this team's current success as BR. Because, again, BR does NOT have to score like 30+ pts a game.
Is BR having a good year? Yes....but he is still dinking and dunking....far more than Brady ever did. (you are in complete Trump mode on that issue...lying in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.) But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
And the other question is: is BR in the MVP conversation. The answer is clearly NOT....because of what I said....he is clearly not as instrumental to his team's success as is a dozen other players in this league.
(In addition to the QBs I listed above....perhaps throw in Derrick Henry in their as well.
The question is whether or not either Baker or BR are more instrumental to their team's success.
Baker is every bit as essential or essential to this team's current success as BR. Because, again, BR does NOT have to score like 30+ pts a game.
Is BR having a good year? Yes....but he is still dinking and dunking....far more than Brady ever did. (you are in complete Trump mode on that issue...lying in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.) But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
And the other question is: is BR in the MVP conversation. The answer is clearly NOT....because of what I said....he is clearly not as instrumental to his team's success as is a dozen other players in this league.
(In addition to the QBs I listed above....perhaps throw in Derrick Henry in their as well.
Gipper you never form your own opinions. You go off the talking heads, PFF etc and then come to a conclusion. Anyone suggesting Ben isn't instrumental to the steelers 10-0 record isn't paying attention. Ben also takes quite a few shots per game down field. The man did avulse all his tendons off his elbow. Brady is king of the 10-15 yard pass so again gipper talking out of his ass. I'm used to it but know when I read your diatribes the entire time I'm rolling my eyes.
I'm perfectly fine with the steelers somehow "flying under the radar" at 10-0.
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But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
Oh Gipper. Gip, Gip, Gip.
That's just a horrible take.
Oh Gipper. Gip, Gip, Gip.
That's just a horrible take.
Gipper is a horrible take machine. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy in person but he's near the fucking bottom excluding the full tilt mouth breathers here of people I'd go to for any sort of breakdown. Be better gipper. You fucking suck at this.
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But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
Oh Gipper. Gip, Gip, Gip.
That's just a horrible take.
Oh Gipper. Gip, Gip, Gip.
That's just a horrible take.
It may be a bit of a stretch, but I don't think it is far off. It is a "bad take because it is so close to being accurate."
After today the Steelers will be #1 in defensive points allowed. I think the Duck could have carried them to a fine record with that defense.
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Oh Gipper. Gip, Gip, Gip.
That's just a horrible take.
It may be a bit of a stretch, but I don't think it is far off. It is a "bad take because it is so close to being accurate."
After today the Steelers will be #1 in defensive points allowed. I think the Duck could have carried them to a fine record with that defense.
It may be a bit of a stretch, but I don't think it is far off. It is a "bad take because it is so close to being accurate."
After today the Steelers will be #1 in defensive points allowed. I think the Duck could have carried them to a fine record with that defense.
No gipper, it's a terrible fucking take. Again Ben is poised to shatter his single season td record. He drops dimes on wr's deep every single game. Throws lazers in tight coverage. No one in Pittsburgh gives a single shit about hardware other than a Lombardi. You don't watch much football, that is clear.
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The question is whether or not either Baker or BR are more instrumental to their team's success.
Baker is every bit as essential or essential to this team's current success as BR. Because, again, BR does NOT have to score like 30+ pts a game.
Is BR having a good year? Yes....but he is still dinking and dunking....far more than Brady ever did. (you are in complete Trump mode on that issue...lying in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.) But hell, if you put the Duck in their that team would probably be 9-1.
And the other question is: is BR in the MVP conversation. The answer is clearly NOT....because of what I said....he is clearly not as instrumental to his team's success as is a dozen other players in this league.
(In addition to the QBs I listed above....perhaps throw in Derrick Henry in their as well.
Gipper you never form your own opinions. You go off the talking heads, PFF etc and then come to a conclusion. Anyone suggesting Ben isn't instrumental to the steelers 10-0 record isn't paying attention. Ben also takes quite a few shots per game down field. The man did avulse all his tendons off his elbow. Brady is king of the 10-15 yard pass so again gipper talking out of his ass. I'm used to it but know when I read your diatribes the entire time I'm rolling my eyes.
I'm perfectly fine with the steelers somehow "flying under the radar" at 10-0.
Gipper you never form your own opinions. You go off the talking heads, PFF etc and then come to a conclusion. Anyone suggesting Ben isn't instrumental to the steelers 10-0 record isn't paying attention. Ben also takes quite a few shots per game down field. The man did avulse all his tendons off his elbow. Brady is king of the 10-15 yard pass so again gipper talking out of his ass. I'm used to it but know when I read your diatribe the entire time I'm rolling my eyes.
I'm perfectly fine with the steelers somehow "flying under the radar" at 10-0.
You are as dumb a Khunt as it appears. To think that I don't form my own opinions is laughable....to anyone that knows me, including anyone here.
First off, I never consult PFF. PFR, yes, for basic stats. And trust me, while I listen to some talking heads...that is what smart people do....they listen and learn.
YOU are the one without a single scientient thought to you. You just give the typical Stupidsteelerfan babble that is scripted for you. And while Brady may hae historically been less of a downfield thrower than BR, we are talking about THIS year...not the last 17 years.
The reason you roll your eyes is because you know that I am not going to let you get away with your bullshit propaganda.
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year. No matter how much Trumpism you want to put on it....THAT is the basic truth.
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Oh Gipper. Gip, Gip, Gip.
That's just a horrible take.
Gipper is a horrible take machine. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy in person but he's near the fucking bottom excluding the full tilt mouth breathers here of people I'd go to for any sort of breakdown. Be better gipper. You fucking suck at this.
Gipper is a horrible take machine. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy in person but he's near the fucking bottom excluding the full tilt mouth breathers here of people I'd go to for any sort of breakdown. Be better gipper. You fucking suck at this.
I am actually a master at it.....because I make you face the truth.
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Gipper you never form your own opinions. You go off the talking heads, PFF etc and then come to a conclusion. Anyone suggesting Ben isn't instrumental to the steelers 10-0 record isn't paying attention. Ben also takes quite a few shots per game down field. The man did avulse all his tendons off his elbow. Brady is king of the 10-15 yard pass so again gipper talking out of his ass. I'm used to it but know when I read your diatribe the entire time I'm rolling my eyes.
I'm perfectly fine with the steelers somehow "flying under the radar" at 10-0.
You are as dumb a Khunt as it appears. To think that I don't form my own opinions is laughable....to anyone that knows me, including anyone here.
First off, I never consult PFF. PFR, yes, for basic stats. And trust me, while I listen to some talking heads...that is what smart people do....they listen and learn.
YOU are the one without a single scientient thought to you. You just give the typical Stupidsteelerfan babble that is scripted for you. And while Brady may hae historically been less of a downfield thrower than BR, we are talking about THIS year...not the last 17 years.
The reason you roll your eyes is because you know that I am not going to let you get away with your bullshit propaganda.
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year. No matter how much Trumpism you want to put on it....THAT is the basic truth.
You are as dumb a Khunt as it appears. To think that I don't form my own opinions is laughable....to anyone that knows me, including anyone here.
First off, I never consult PFF. PFR, yes, for basic stats. And trust me, while I listen to some talking heads...that is what smart people do....they listen and learn.
YOU are the one without a single scientient thought to you. You just give the typical Stupidsteelerfan babble that is scripted for you. And while Brady may hae historically been less of a downfield thrower than BR, we are talking about THIS year...not the last 17 years.
The reason you roll your eyes is because you know that I am not going to let you get away with your bullshit propaganda.
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year. No matter how much Trumpism you want to put on it....THAT is the basic truth.
Watch more football. I don't give a single fuck about mvp. We are 10-0 and rolling. The team is very close as well on and off the field. It's a recipe for success. Everyone in Pittsburgh is used to Ben not getting the credit he deserves and no one gives a shit. Your opinions are trash and it's nearly religion here. You post sooooo much it's impossible for people to get away from it.
Edit: fuck gipper I've been here as long as you have I believe, at least on this version of the board. I joined back in 2007-2008 on my old name. You have nearly 60k posts. You should maybe just try shutting the fuck up sometimes. ?
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Gipper is a horrible take machine. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy in person but he's near the fucking bottom excluding the full tilt mouth breathers here of people I'd go to for any sort of breakdown. Be better gipper. You fucking suck at this.
I am actually a master at it.....because I make you face the truth.
I am actually a master at it.....because I make you face the truth.
You did a great job at predicting how this season would go in Pittsburgh. Shall I dig up some old takes from this season from gipper? I really don't want to take the time but I know they are there.
Read this.
10-0
And not slowing down.
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It may be a bit of a stretch, but I don't think it is far off. It is a "bad take because it is so close to being accurate."
After today the Steelers will be #1 in defensive points allowed. I think the Duck could have carried them to a fine record with that defense.
No gipper, it's a terrible fucking take. Again Ben is poised to shatter his single season td record. He drops dimes on wr's deep every single game. Throws lazers in tight coverage. No one in Pittsburgh gives a single shit about hardware other than a Lombardi. You don't watch much football, that is clear.
No gipper, it's a terrible fucking take. Again Ben is poised to shatter his single season td record. He drops dimes on wr's deep every single game. Throws lazers in tight coverage. No one in Pittsburgh gives a single shit about hardware other than a Lombardi. You don't watch much football, that is clear.
He does all that within 10 yards. I mean, so what if he shatters HIS single season TD record. Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers, and yes, Brady all have more TDs than him so far.
And that team wins because of defense.....BR helps some.
But I will repeat:
BR is NOT a candidate for the MVP. And if you are not worried about any hardware but the Lombardi, why are you arguing with me on that point.
Or....do you actually agree with it?
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You are as dumb a Khunt as it appears. To think that I don't form my own opinions is laughable....to anyone that knows me, including anyone here.
First off, I never consult PFF. PFR, yes, for basic stats. And trust me, while I listen to some talking heads...that is what smart people do....they listen and learn.
YOU are the one without a single scientient thought to you. You just give the typical Stupidsteelerfan babble that is scripted for you. And while Brady may hae historically been less of a downfield thrower than BR, we are talking about THIS year...not the last 17 years.
The reason you roll your eyes is because you know that I am not going to let you get away with your bullshit propaganda.
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year. No matter how much Trumpism you want to put on it....THAT is the basic truth.
Watch more football. I don't give a single fuck about mvp. We are 10-0 and rolling. The team is very close as well on and off the field. It's a recipe for success. Everyone in Pittsburgh is used to Ben not getting the credit he deserves and no one gives a shit. Your opinions are trash and it's nearly religion here. You post sooooo much it's impossible for people to get away from it.
Edit: fuck gipper I've been here as long as you have I believe, at least on this version of the board. I joined back in 2007-2008 on my old name. You have nearly 60k posts. You should maybe just try shutting the fuck up sometimes. ?
Watch more football. I don't give a single fuck about mvp. We are 10-0 and rolling. The team is very close as well on and off the field. It's a recipe for success. Everyone in Pittsburgh is used to Ben not getting the credit he deserves and no one gives a shit. Your opinions are trash and it's nearly religion here. You post sooooo much it's impossible for people to get away from it.
Edit: fuck gipper I've been here as long as you have I believe, at least on this version of the board. I joined back in 2007-2008 on my old name. You have nearly 60k posts. You should maybe just try shutting the fuck up sometimes. ?
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year...Including Mayfield. No matter how much you want to delude yourself about....THAT is the basic truth.
And mayhaps I am the MVP of this board.....and you are not.
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allot of talk from Vagstink.
What does this even mean? A lot of talk? The steelers are 10-0. They are doing all the talking, but hey gipper doesn't think it has anything to do with Ben. Baker is more instrumental in Browns wins than Ben is in steeler wins. Duck hodges would have the team at 9-1. He said that. Am I missing something?
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I am actually a master at it.....because I make you face the truth.
You did a great job at predicting how this season would go in Pittsburgh. Shall I dig up some old takes from this season from gipper? I really don't want to take the time but I know they are there.
Read this.
10-0
And not slowing down.
You did a great job at predicting how this season would go in Pittsburgh. Shall I dig up some old takes from this season from gipper? I really don't want to take the time but I know they are there.
Read this.
10-0
And not slowing down.
I think I said they would be either like 9-7 or 8-8. Which is about the same as many if not most so called professional prognosticators had them...and where most everyone else on this board had them.
Show me a single one that predicted they would be 10-0.
Show me a single one that predicted the Browns would be playing at .700.
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year...Including Mayfield. No matter how much you want to delude yourself about....THAT is the basic truth.
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allot of talk from Vagstink.
What does this even mean? A lot of talk? The steelers are 10-0. They are doing all the talking, but hey gipper doesn't think it has anything to do with Ben. Baker is more instrumental in Browns wins than Ben is in steeler wins. Duck hodges would have the team at 9-1. He said that. Am I missing something?
What does this even mean? A lot of talk? The steelers are 10-0. They are doing all the talking, but hey gipper doesn't think it has anything to do with Ben. Baker is more instrumental in Browns wins than Ben is in steeler wins. Duck hodges would have the team at 9-1. He said that. Am I missing something?
NO...you are not....Duck Hodges could have that team 9-1. I stick by that. Baker is more instrumental to the Browns success than BR is to the Steelers. I stick by that.
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year...Including Mayfield. No matter how much you want to delude yourself about....THAT is the basic truth.
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Watch more football. I don't give a single fuck about mvp. We are 10-0 and rolling. The team is very close as well on and off the field. It's a recipe for success. Everyone in Pittsburgh is used to Ben not getting the credit he deserves and no one gives a shit. Your opinions are trash and it's nearly religion here. You post sooooo much it's impossible for people to get away from it.
Edit: fuck gipper I've been here as long as you have I believe, at least on this version of the board. I joined back in 2007-2008 on my old name. You have nearly 60k posts. You should maybe just try shutting the fuck up sometimes. ?
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year...Including Mayfield. No matter how much you want to delude yourself about....THAT is the basic truth.
And mayhaps I am the MVP of this board.....and you are not.
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year...Including Mayfield. No matter how much you want to delude yourself about....THAT is the basic truth.
And mayhaps I am the MVP of this board.....and you are not.
No one believes you are the mvp here. The mvp at spamming the board, maybe. I again don't give a shit about mvp, comeback player of the year or anything else. It's about that silver trophy you win at the end of it. The op in this was talking about the record so this is just more of you making the thread about you and your half assed opinions. I hope you go to the draft assuming we can go live in Cleveland. I want to see this "legend" in person.
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What is most amusing to me is the people here I consider to be the most level headed don't even like you. Why do you think that is?
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So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year...Including Mayfield. No matter how much you want to delude yourself about....THAT is the basic truth.
And mayhaps I am the MVP of this board.....and you are not.
No one believes you are the mvp here. The mvp at spamming the board, maybe. I again don't give a shit about mvp, comeback player of the year or anything else. It's about that silver trophy you win at the end of it. The op in this was talking about the record so this is just more of you making the thread about you and your half assed opinions. I hope you go to the draft assuming we can go live in Cleveland. I want to see this "legend" in person.
No one believes you are the mvp here. The mvp at spamming the board, maybe. I again don't give a shit about mvp, comeback player of the year or anything else. It's about that silver trophy you win at the end of it. The op in this was talking about the record so this is just more of you making the thread about you and your half assed opinions. I hope you go to the draft assuming we can go live in Cleveland. I want to see this "legend" in person.
Well, you ain't getting that either.....at least history says so. In fact, I think it may be earlier in this thread wherein I showed the statistics (again, I almost always support my views with stats that you can't seem to stomach, which may be why I am MVP)....that the last 13 teams that were the last to remain undefeated have all failed to win the SB.
And why would I want to give a pipsqueak like you the time of day at a Cleveland draft party? Though, I guess I could hold court and let you kiss my ring.
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year...Including Mayfield. No matter how much you want to delude yourself about....THAT is the basic truth.
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What does this even mean? A lot of talk? The steelers are 10-0. They are doing all the talking, but hey gipper doesn't think it has anything to do with Ben. Baker is more instrumental in Browns wins than Ben is in steeler wins. Duck hodges would have the team at 9-1. He said that. Am I missing something?
NO...you are not....Duck Hodges could have that team 9-1. I stick by that. Baker is more instrumental to the Browns success than BR is to the Steelers. I stick by that.
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year...Including Mayfield. No matter how much you want to delude yourself about....THAT is the basic truth.
NO...you are not....Duck Hodges could have that team 9-1. I stick by that. Baker is more instrumental to the Browns success than BR is to the Steelers. I stick by that.
So....let me repeat what this thread is about: Ben Roethlisberger is NOT in the running for MVP because he is NOT nearly as instrumental to his team's success as an entire other host of players are to their team's success this year...Including Mayfield. No matter how much you want to delude yourself about....THAT is the basic truth.
And that makes no sense but you are of course entitled to your own opinion. I'd argue it's more hunt and chubb than baker. Baker is gutsy on third downs tho and that comes with the moxie he brings to the table. Our offense is designed in the manner that it is to keep Ben clean, not because he's maybe lost a step. He takes plenty of shots down field and he completes them.
10-0.
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