The "It's-later-than-you-think" 2021 Mock Draft Thread

The Gipper

@atom said:

I have been impressed with indiana "s qb

He has a very weird delivery though. Kind of shotputs the ball.

ballpeen

17.

Kyle Pitts

TE Florida
49.

Nick Bolton

LB Missouri
80.

Tyler Shelvin

DT LSU
94.

Joseph Ossai

LB Texas
112.

Richard LeCounte

S Georgia
114.

Ronnie Perkins

EDGE Oklahoma

ballpeen

Kyle Pitts was too good to pass. He will be a game changer. Then with Bolton, my work could have been done there.

The Gipper

Had to go with best player available. Also went with Tyler Vrabel, because, if he is who I think he is, his grandfather would have been the Head Coach of my High School's football team. I also could not pass up drafting a guy named Whop or a guy named Moustaffa!!

17.

Jevon Holland

S Oregon
49.

Nick Bolton

LB Missouri
80.

Cameron McGrone

LB Michigan
94.

Derion Kendrick

CB Clemson
112.

Thayer Munford

OT Ohio State
114.

Shaka Toney

EDGE Penn State
152.

Tyler Vrabel

OT Boston College
175.

Whop Philyor

WR Indiana
218.

Mustafa Johnson

DT Colorado

The Gipper

Confirmed:

Tyler Vrabel is the son of current Tennessee Titans head coach and former New England Patriots star Mike Vrabel.

gumby73

@nickers said:

I mean hell.. Joe Schobert had 13 tackles yesterday... I would take that back in a heart beat... This defense is NOT better without him or his type of production..

When I'm scouting for good college defensive* draftable talent? I'll choose to watch good college games that include both good defensive units ?.. This week?

That was Wisconsin at Northwestern.. Both squads are loaded defensively..both were unbeaten, i believe?. Side-note.. LB Parson's at Penn ST. must be a HOF college player...That defense at the happy-valley? Now really Blows! (flipped it)

Anywho?

Wisconsin- Put your eyes on the badgers MLB Jack Sanborn, he's a junior.. Joe's same college school, with same Schobert tackling nose.. Heck! lined up beside Sanborn? The badgers had a larger version of Schobert named Leo Chenal?.. Chenal may become better than both? He's only a sophomore, but already has the larger NFL frame body of both ..Chenal may become the draft hype of Parson's this draft..

Northwestern-- they are young on defense.. but, were lead by 6 starting seniors... including DE-Earnest Brown...

LB'ers?

WILL

51

Gallagher, Blake SR

40

McIntyre, Peter RS JR

MIKE

42

Fisher, Paddy RS SR

35

Mueller, Erik SR

SAM

28

Bergin, Chris SR

... All draftable .. One game & early to be drafting. BUT, man! Was this unit active & scrappy beating the Badgers

Schobert ranks NFL 9th in tackles made.. Goodson leads us in tackles.. sitting in the 4th spot on the 2nd page ?

Edit--- Nickers.. don't ask me how i got your post to move over to here...... but, I'm enjoying a new laptop becoming a Internet Messiah ?

nickers

@gumby73 said:

When I'm scouting for good college defensive* draftable talent? I'll choose to watch good college games that include both good defensive units ?.. This week?

That was Wisconsin at Northwestern.. Both squads are loaded defensively..both were unbeaten, i believe?. Side-note.. LB Parson's at Penn ST. must be a HOF college player...That defense at the happy-valley? Now really Blows! (flipped it)

Anywho?

Wisconsin- Put your eyes on the badgers MLB Jack Sanborn, he's a junior.. Joe's same college school, with same Schobert tackling nose.. Heck! lined up beside Sanborn? The badgers had a larger version of Schobert named Leo Chenal?.. Chenal may become better than both? He's only a sophomore, but already has the larger NFL frame body of both ..Chenal may become the draft hype of Parson's this draft..

Northwestern-- they are young on defense.. but, were lead by 6 starting seniors... including DE-Earnest Brown...

LB'ers?

WILL 51 Gallagher, Blake SR 40 McIntyre, Peter RS JR
MIKE 42 Fisher, Paddy RS SR 35 Mueller, Erik SR
SAM 28 Bergin, Chris SR
... All draftable .. One game & early to be drafting. BUT, man! Was this unit active & scrappy beating the Badgers

Schobert ranks NFL 9th in tackles made.. Goodson leads us in tackles.. sitting in the 4th spot on the 2nd page ?

Edit--- Nickers.. don't ask me how i got your post to move over to here...... but, I'm enjoying a new laptop becoming a Internet Messiah ?

NP man... I just got a rebuilt Dell.. It's a tad glitchy in spots... otherwise.. I'm pretty happy with it,,

bjh2130

@sdbacker80 said:

Ramsey, Humphrey, White, Slay, Howard 15M- 20M. That’s his likely company.

I agree and if he's getting the type of payday then he is playing extremely well. So are you saying that's too expensive for him? Keeping in mind we're paying Vernon 15 million a year right now

SdBacker80

@bjh2130 said:

I agree and if he's getting the type of payday then he is playing extremely well. So are you saying that's too expensive for him? Keeping in mind we're paying Vernon 15 million a year right now

Did I say anything about Vernon? Of course not.

We had multiple people here talking about Wards next contract early in the year and last year when he had a pulled hammy. After yesterday of course no one thinks backing up the big truck and paying him is unreasonable.

He’s not a big guy. Hasn’t played a full season yet. He has some durability concerns.

Am I assuming he will want money - of course he’s a very good player. He played a heck of a game yesterday. He’s Getting an MRI too.

You paid Garrett 25M annually.

Chubb will get paid soon.

Baker Too...Unless you want to draft his replacement.

we made a big splash with a TE and a RT this offseason.

so talking dollars and cents here- cap stuff and risk/benefit. Do you go long term with Ward at 20M a year?

that is a question we may have to answer. No right or wrong answer. My opinion - No.

Tour2ma

@sdbacker80 said:

Did I say anything about Vernon? Of course not.

I think bjh was pointing out that $15mm in cap money will be available come 2021.

gumby73

@sdbacker80 said:

Did I say anything about Vernon? Of course not.

Do you go long term with Ward at 20M a year?

that is a question we may have to answer. No right or wrong answer. My opinion - No.

I asked a tavern question on this yesterday.. Can we pay both Ward & Baker's their 5th year options in the same contract season? But both club options don't come due until the 2021 off-season.. imo, We need to get some 2021 moved up off that year to do so?..Teller? Harrison? Chubb? is all due ending 2021 also? Ogun is due now? Mitchell is due now? few others

Teller has out played Ward this season imo.. and Ward ain't Ramsey..Wards a top 3- 5 CB maybe?

SdBacker80

@gumby73 said:

I asked a tavern question on this yesterday.. Can we pay both Ward & Baker's their 5th year options in the same contract season? But both club options don't come due until the 2021 off-season.. imo, We need to get some 2021 moved up off that year to do so?..Teller? Harrison? Chubb? is all due ending 2021 also? Ogun is due now? Mitchell is due now? few others

Teller has out played Ward this season imo.. and Ward ain't Ramsey..Wards a top 3- 5 CB maybe?

It is usually the last guy that’s due that gets paid. So I agree he ain’t Ramsey...and what Ramsey did to DK two weeks ago- wow!!!
But it is a year later.

You also brought more mouths in this post than I think we can feed under our restrictions and under the cap.

i like Ward a lot but if he gets 20M or close to it of our cap what guys are we letting walk out here. Baker? Chubb? Teller?

gumby73

@sdbacker80 said:

It is usually the last guy that’s due that gets paid. Agreed! So I agree he ain’t Ramsey...and what Ramsey did to DK two weeks ago- wow!!! Yep,that was a wow!

You also brought more mouths in this post than I think we can feed under our restrictions and under the cap.

i like Ward a lot but if he gets 20M or close to it of our cap what guys are we letting walk out here. Baker? Chubb? Teller?

The looks of Berry's drafts & FA outlook?

looking like 1) a 31 year old DT S.Richardson could restruct? maybe? Andrew Billings is 27 but opted out.. 2) DE Clayborn, olds out at 35..his replacement sits on our ps as a steal from Miami..3) Vernon restructed once..looks to be playing for not to restruct again.. 4) Ogun i see as a mid round drafted fair deal, cause Berry drafted him.. but, we've seen those get twisted too..

I'll select to enjoy the winning for now...but it's a coming issue we all asked for

Tour2ma

@sdbacker80 said:

Baker? Chubb? Teller?

One of these things is not like the others...

I'm as far from a Ghoulie disciple as can be, but Teller is the easiest to replace here.

As for Ward... if you think he's a top 5 CB, then you pay him top 5 money just as we did Haden when he was top 5.

bjh2130

@sdbacker80 said:

Did I say anything about Vernon? Of course not.

We had multiple people here talking about Wards next contract early in the year and last year when he had a pulled hammy. After yesterday of course no one thinks backing up the big truck and paying him is unreasonable.

He’s not a big guy. Hasn’t played a full season yet. He has some durability concerns.

Am I assuming he will want money - of course he’s a very good player. He played a heck of a game yesterday. He’s Getting an MRI too.

You paid Garrett 25M annually.

Chubb will get paid soon.

Baker Too...Unless you want to draft his replacement.

we made a big splash with a TE and a RT this offseason.

so talking dollars and cents here- cap stuff and risk/benefit. Do you go long term with Ward at 20M a year?

that is a question we may have to answer. No right or wrong answer. My opinion - No.

I understand people being wary of the injuries when talking about ward but its blown a little out of proportion in my opinion. He's has played and started in 35 out of a possible 42 games. Myles Garrett missed 6 in his first year and then a 6 game suspension on top of that his 3rd year means even if ward doesn't play a game the rest of the year he will have the same amount of games played through his first 3 years than Garrett did.

No you didn't bring up vernon I did. As in the salary cap is only going to go up and if we can afford to pay olivier vernon 15 mil a year over the past two years id certainly hope we could and would pay an elite corner around the same amount. Also that is coming off the books as he is a free agent.

I'm not saying this simply because he had a good game yesterday. He is an elite cornerback and those don't just grow on trees. He was pro bowl level his rookie year, allowed the lowest completion percentage when thrown at last year and is playing just as well this year.

He's also extremely smart as well. Everyone knows on the Taki Taki pick 6 Ward got the pressure on Wentz that forced a bad throw but what most don't know is that was not a designed corner blitz called by woods. Ward noticed the man he was assigned to cover had blocked down. That meant he was not going out for a pass. “So I added on and blitzed,” said Ward. “Sione made a great play.” He recognized it instantly and made a decision that greatly benefited us.

In another game earlier this season where his man also blocked down Ward stayed 3 yards off the line, timed a pass perfectly, jumped and deflected it so another browns player could intercept it in the endzone. Two very similar scenarios and Ward made a great decision in both to play a huge part in causing a turnover.

Tour2ma

@gumby73 said:

The looks of Berry's drafts & FA outlook?

looking like 1) a 31 year old DT S.Richardson could restruct? maybe? Andrew Billings is 27 but opted out.. 2) DE Clayborn, olds out at 35..his replacement sits on our ps as a steal from Miami..3) Vernon restructed once..looks to be playing for not to restruct again.. 4) Ogun i see as a mid round drafted fair deal, cause Berry drafted him.. but, we've seen those get twisted too..

I'll select to enjoy the winning for now...but it's a coming issue we all asked for

Expect continuing Draft emphasis with FA sprinkles on top of locking up our keepers.

Hard to see a 30-yo Vernon being retained, but still have games to go.
Clayborn is 32 and under contract thru 2021.
Ditto Billings via his 2020 opt out.
Richardson... could be a 2021 cap casualty if we keep Vernon.
Ogun? Interesting situation there. Hard to see him not testing the market. Even harder to predict what will result. As a 4-yr vet he's not subject to RFA tendering. Possible transition tag candidate.

Could we see a "splash" FA signing? Odds of that increase as we approach SB contender status. Really nothing revolutionary in this approach.

Unsympathetic

This is your weekly reminder that our "cap space" is all for signing bonuses.. it's an accounting gimmick, not reality. There is NO space between our annual salary total and the 2020 salary cap. 2020 salary cap - 198.2M. From overthecap: 2020 Browns Total Cap Liabilities: $197,890,141. Browns have 300k of cap space.

Richardson 2021 contract facts -- his salary is 11.9M; cut would cost only 1.6 of dead money. He's not performing well enough for that contract. Perhaps someone like Cameron Heyward or Sheldon Rankins or Solomon Thomas is interested.

Andrew Billings is under contract at a 2M salary value through the end of the 2021 season.. the "opt-outs" rolled over. When Billings goes to FA after 2021 he'll be one of the top10 DI FA's.

Elliot hasn't had a lot of PT but he's getting better as well.. i'd be more confident in him than Ogunjobi.

DI is just not a deep position even if we "want" to sign FA -- may need to keep ogunjobi as the 4th DI on a one-year even if richardson is cut and a name FA signed.

SdBacker80

@tour2ma said:

One of these things is not like the others...

I'm as far from a Ghoulie disciple as can be, but Teller is the easiest to replace here.

As for Ward... if you think he's a top 5 CB, then you pay him top 5 money just as we did Haden when he was top 5.

But yet in recent history two guards have reaped big dollar contracts with the Browns.

I don’t think anyone is really arguing against Wards ability. I wish it was that easy. Is he holding up each year and as he gets older? He’s one part of the pie and we are running into this fortuitous situation heck I’ll give some credit a situation by design too where we are actually paying multiple guys second contracts.

gumby73

@tour2ma said:

I'm as far from a Ghoulie disciple as can be, but Teller is the easiest to replace here.

Ghoulie disciple? ^^^ Cleveland Grown ass men would cry ?.. gotta find a way to pay the Pancake Man!

Unsympathetic

Nope. OG's good at runblocking are simply a lot easier to find than OT or DE or a LB who both covers and hits or good CB or...

Like-for-like replacement? No. But greater than capable? Definitely. If he'd take a 4-7m deal, sure, but >9 especially in a time when the cap may drop by 30, no way.