The "It's-later-than-you-think" 2021 Mock Draft Thread

[SdBacker80]

@bjh2130 said:

This is the post I was thinking of in the tavern today.  Why are you not giving ward a 2nd contract? If he gets injured a few more times than I can see it but the way he is playing how can you say now you don't want to give him a second contract if he stays healthy. He has played at an all pro level his whole career. Only issue has been injuries. Only thing I can think of is you think he will require too much money but you never know. I think he's worth whatever the going rate is for top 10 corner. Plus he's an Akron kid he may give a hometown discount like hunt has.

Well let’s see if he gives the Browns a hometown discount and let’s see if he avoids injuries.

he played a GREAT game today 

[Tour2ma]

@atom said:

a qb 

I played with that last nite a little... failed to come up with a Pick Package that would pry the #2 away from JAX.

I did almost take TAMU's QB, Kellen Mond, in the 3rd tho. He's impressed me this season, but not quite ready to dub him my 2021 Draft Darkhorse QB.

[ATOM]

@tour2ma said:

I played with that last nite a little... failed to come up with a Pick Package that would pry the #2 away from JAX.

I did almost take TAMU's QB, Kellen Mond, in the 3rd tho. He's impressed me this season, but not quite ready to dun him my 2021 Draft Darkhorse QB.

I have been impressed with indiana "s qb

[bjh2130]

@sdbacker80 said:

Well let’s see if he gives the Browns a hometown discount and let’s see if he avoids injuries.

he played a GREAT game today 

So are you assuming he's going to command to much money? 

[SdBacker80]

@bjh2130 said:

So are you assuming he's going to command to much money? 

Ramsey, Humphrey, White, Slay, Howard  15M- 20M.  That’s his likely company. 

[TexasAg1969]

@tour2ma said:

I played with that last nite a little... failed to come up with a Pick Package that would pry the #2 away from JAX.

I did almost take TAMU's QB, Kellen Mond, in the 3rd tho. He's impressed me this season, but not quite ready to dun him my 2021 Draft Darkhorse QB.

He has the best offensive line since JFF's at A&M. He has time to smoke BBQ Ribs back there. That said, under the 2020 COVID rules he is seriously thinking of coming back another year.

[The Gipper]

@atom said:

I have been impressed with indiana "s qb

He has a very weird delivery though.  Kind of shotputs the ball. 

[ballpeen]

• 
  17.
  Kyle Pitts

  TE Florida
   
• 
  49.
  Nick Bolton

  LB Missouri
   
• 
  80.
  Tyler Shelvin

  DT LSU
   
• 
  94.
  Joseph Ossai

  LB Texas
   
• 
  112.
  Richard LeCounte

  S Georgia
   
• 
  114.
  Ronnie Perkins

  EDGE Oklahoma

[ballpeen]

Kyle Pitts was too good to pass.  He will be a game changer.  Then with Bolton, my work could have been done there.

[The Gipper]

Had to go with best player available.  Also went with Tyler Vrabel, because, if he is who I think he is, his grandfather would have been the Head Coach  of my High School's football team.   I also could not pass up drafting a guy named Whop  or a guy named  Moustaffa!!

• 
  17.
  Jevon Holland

  S Oregon
   
• 
  49.
  Nick Bolton

  LB Missouri
   
• 
  80.
  Cameron McGrone

  LB Michigan
   
• 
  94.
  Derion Kendrick

  CB Clemson
   
• 
  112.
  Thayer Munford

  OT Ohio State
   
• 
  114.
  Shaka Toney

  EDGE Penn State
   
• 
  152.
  Tyler Vrabel

  OT Boston College
   
• 
  175.
  Whop Philyor

  WR Indiana
   
• 
  218.
  Mustafa Johnson

  DT Colorado

[The Gipper]

Confirmed:

Tyler Vrabel is  the son of current Tennessee Titans head coach and former New England Patriots star Mike Vrabel.

[gumby73]

@nickers said:

 I mean hell.. Joe Schobert had 13 tackles yesterday... I would take that back in a heart beat... This defense is NOT better without him or his type of production..

 When I'm scouting for good college defensive* draftable talent? I'll choose to watch good college games that include both good defensive units ?.. This week?

That was Wisconsin at Northwestern.. Both squads are loaded defensively..both were unbeaten, i believe?. Side-note.. LB Parson's at Penn ST. must be a HOF college player...That defense at the happy-valley? Now really Blows! (flipped it)

Anywho?

Wisconsin- Put your eyes on the badgers MLB Jack Sanborn, he's a junior.. Joe's same college school, with same Schobert tackling nose.. Heck! lined up beside Sanborn? The badgers had a larger version of Schobert named Leo Chenal?.. Chenal may become better than both? He's only a sophomore, but already  has the larger NFL frame body of both ..Chenal may become the draft hype of Parson's this draft..

Northwestern-- they are young on defense.. but, were lead by 6 starting seniors... including DE-Earnest Brown...                                                                                                                           

LB'ers?

WILL

51

Gallagher, Blake SR

40

McIntyre, Peter RS JR

MIKE

42

Fisher, Paddy RS SR

35

Mueller, Erik SR

SAM

28

Bergin, Chris SR

 ... All draftable ..   One game & early to be drafting. BUT, man! Was this unit active & scrappy beating the Badgers

Schobert ranks NFL 9th in tackles made.. Goodson leads us in tackles.. sitting in the 4th spot on the 2nd page ?

Edit--- Nickers.. don't ask me how i got your post to move over to here...... but, I'm enjoying a new laptop becoming a Internet Messiah ?

[nickers]

@gumby73 said:

 When I'm scouting for good college defensive* draftable talent? I'll choose to watch good college games that include both good defensive units ?.. This week?

That was Wisconsin at Northwestern.. Both squads are loaded defensively..both were unbeaten, i believe?. Side-note.. LB Parson's at Penn ST. must be a HOF college player...That defense at the happy-valley? Now really Blows! (flipped it)

Anywho?

Wisconsin- Put your eyes on the badgers MLB Jack Sanborn, he's a junior.. Joe's same college school, with same Schobert tackling nose.. Heck! lined up beside Sanborn? The badgers had a larger version of Schobert named Leo Chenal?.. Chenal may become better than both? He's only a sophomore, but already  has the larger NFL frame body of both ..Chenal may become the draft hype of Parson's this draft..

Northwestern-- they are young on defense.. but, were lead by 6 starting seniors... including DE-Earnest Brown...                                                                                                                           

LB'ers?

WILL

51

Gallagher, Blake SR

40

McIntyre, Peter RS JR

MIKE

42

Fisher, Paddy RS SR

35

Mueller, Erik SR

SAM

28

Bergin, Chris SR

 ... All draftable ..   One game & early to be drafting. BUT, man! Was this unit active & scrappy beating the Badgers

Schobert ranks NFL 9th in tackles made.. Goodson leads us in tackles.. sitting in the 4th spot on the 2nd page ?

Edit--- Nickers.. don't ask me how i got your post to move over to here...... but, I'm enjoying a new laptop becoming a Internet Messiah ?

NP man... I just got a rebuilt Dell.. It's a tad glitchy in spots... otherwise.. I'm pretty happy with it,,

[bjh2130]

@sdbacker80 said:

Ramsey, Humphrey, White, Slay, Howard  15M- 20M.  That’s his likely company. 

I agree and if he's getting the type of payday then he is playing extremely well. So are you saying that's too expensive for him? Keeping in mind we're paying Vernon 15 million a year right now 

[SdBacker80]

@bjh2130 said:

I agree and if he's getting the type of payday then he is playing extremely well. So are you saying that's too expensive for him? Keeping in mind we're paying Vernon 15 million a year right now 

Did I say anything about Vernon?  Of course not.

We had multiple people here talking about Wards next contract early in the year and last year when he had a pulled hammy.  After yesterday of course no one thinks backing up the big truck and paying him is unreasonable.
 

He’s not a big guy.  Hasn’t played a full season yet.  He has some durability concerns. 
 

Am I assuming he will want money - of course he’s a very good player.  He played a heck of a game yesterday.  He’s Getting an MRI too.

You paid Garrett 25M annually.

Chubb will get paid soon.

Baker Too...Unless you want to draft his replacement. 

we made a big splash with a TE and a RT this offseason. 

so talking dollars and cents here- cap stuff and risk/benefit.  Do you go long term with Ward at 20M a year?  

that is a question we may have to answer. No right or wrong answer.  My opinion - No. 

[Tour2ma]

@sdbacker80 said:

Did I say anything about Vernon?  Of course not.

I think bjh was pointing out that $15mm in cap money will be available come 2021.

[gumby73]

@sdbacker80 said:

Did I say anything about Vernon?  Of course not.

Do you go long term with Ward at 20M a year? 

that is a question we may have to answer. No right or wrong answer.  My opinion - No. 

I asked a tavern question on this yesterday.. Can we pay both Ward & Baker's their 5th year options in the same contract season? But both club options don't come due until the 2021 off-season.. imo, We need to get some 2021 moved up off that year to do so?..Teller? Harrison? Chubb? is all due ending 2021 also? Ogun is due now? Mitchell is due now? few others

Teller has out played Ward this season imo.. and Ward ain't Ramsey..Wards a top 3- 5 CB maybe?

[SdBacker80]

@gumby73 said:

I asked a tavern question on this yesterday.. Can we pay both Ward & Baker's their 5th year options in the same contract season? But both club options don't come due until the 2021 off-season.. imo, We need to get some 2021 moved up off that year to do so?..Teller? Harrison? Chubb? is all due ending 2021 also? Ogun is due now? Mitchell is due now? few others

Teller has out played Ward this season imo.. and Ward ain't Ramsey..Wards a top 3- 5 CB maybe?

It is usually the last guy that’s due that gets paid.  So I agree he ain’t Ramsey...and what Ramsey did to DK two weeks ago- wow!!! 
 But it is a year later. 

You also brought more mouths in this post than I think we can feed under our restrictions and under the cap.  

i like Ward a lot but if he gets 20M or close to it of our cap what guys are we letting walk out here.  Baker? Chubb? Teller? 

[gumby73]

@sdbacker80 said:

It is usually the last guy that’s due that gets paid.  Agreed!  So I agree he ain’t Ramsey...and what Ramsey did to DK two weeks ago- wow!!! Yep,that was a wow!
 

You also brought more mouths in this post than I think we can feed under our restrictions and under the cap.  

i like Ward a lot but if he gets 20M or close to it of our cap what guys are we letting walk out here.  Baker? Chubb? Teller? 

The looks of Berry's drafts & FA outlook? 

looking like 1) a 31 year old DT S.Richardson could restruct? maybe? Andrew Billings is 27 but opted out.. 2) DE Clayborn, olds out at 35..his replacement sits on our ps as a steal from Miami..3) Vernon restructed once..looks to be playing for not to restruct again.. 4) Ogun i see as a mid round drafted fair deal, cause Berry drafted him.. but, we've seen those get twisted too.. 

I'll select to enjoy the winning for now...but it's a coming issue we all asked for 

[Tour2ma]

@sdbacker80 said:

Baker? Chubb? Teller? 

One of these things is not like the others...

I'm as far from a Ghoulie disciple as can be, but Teller is the easiest to replace here.

As for Ward... if you think he's a top 5 CB, then you pay him top 5 money just as we did Haden when he was top 5.