The official Terry Pluto thread
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I think you are overlooking a very obvious 3rd alternative... that this is Stef's offense. Namely run the ball and PA off of the run, and only ask of your QB what the game situation demands of him.
Next year? If we invest heavily in our D, then I'd expect even more of the same.
I'm not overlooking it.
I'm hoping that this is not the case.
I'm hoping that this is not the case.
Why?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'm hoping that this is not the case.
Why?
Why?
If THIS is Stefanski's offense running at full steam, I think it is limited.
Baker today is not a dynamic quarterback. He's a QB that when everything is going well can be competent for sure, but he's not someone who is going to shred a good defense.
I'm hoping that Stefanski and Co. are treating him almost as a rookie this season, and he will progress in the future years.
Because if this is it, I don't think it is enough for the Browns to move into elite, Super Bowl contention.
And I say this as someone who all and all has been very impressed with Stefanski this season.
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Why?
If THIS is Stefanski's offense running at full steam, I think it is limited.
Baker today is not a dynamic quarterback. He's a QB that when everything is going well can be competent for sure, but he's not someone who is going to shred a good defense.
I'm hoping that Stefanski and Co. are treating him almost as a rookie this season, and he will progress in the future years.
Because if this is it, I don't think it is enough for the Browns to move into elite, Super Bowl contention.
And I say this as someone who all and all has been very impressed with Stefanski this season.
If this IS Stefanski's offense running at full steam, I think it is limited.
Baker today is not a dynamic quarterback. He's a QB that when everything is going well can be competent for sure, but he's not someone who is going to shred a good defense.
I'm hoping that Stefanski and Co. are treating him almost as a rookie this season, and he will progress in the future years.
Because if this is it, I don't think it is enough for the Browns to move into elite, Super Bowl contention.
And I say this as someone who all and all has been very impressed with Stefanski this season.
You mean, sorta like Bart Starr? ?
Mike
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If this IS Stefanski's offense running at full steam, I think it is limited.
Baker today is not a dynamic quarterback. He's a QB that when everything is going well can be competent for sure, but he's not someone who is going to shred a good defense.
I'm hoping that Stefanski and Co. are treating him almost as a rookie this season, and he will progress in the future years.
Because if this is it, I don't think it is enough for the Browns to move into elite, Super Bowl contention.
And I say this as someone who all and all has been very impressed with Stefanski this season.
You mean, sorta like Bart Starr? ?
Mike
You mean, sorta like Bart Starr? ?
Mike
You think the NFL in 2020 might be slightly different than the NFL in 1960?
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You mean, sorta like Bart Starr? ?
Mike
You think the NFL in 2020 might be slightly different than the NFL in 1960?
You think the NFL in 2020 might be slightly different than the NFL in 1960?
Yep, but similar style of play THIS year HAS taken the Browns to 7-3.
Mike
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You mean, sorta like Bart Starr? ?
Mike
You think the NFL in 2020 might be slightly different than the NFL in 1960?
You think the NFL in 2020 might be slightly different than the NFL in 1960?
Not that much. It is still all about blocking and tackling
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You think the NFL in 2020 might be slightly different than the NFL in 1960?
Yep, but similar style of play THIS year HAS taken the Browns to 7-3.
Mike
Yep, but similar style of play THIS year HAS taken the Browns to 7-3.
Mike
And they got their doors completely blown off by the teams they are chasing in this division.
And yes I know Baltimore is behind the Browns in the standings, but I think we can agree that as a franchise the Browns aren't quite where Baltimore is year in and year out.
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Yep, but similar style of play THIS year HAS taken the Browns to 7-3.
Mike
And they got their doors completely blown off by the teams they are chasing in this division.
And yes I know Baltimore is behind the Browns in the standings, but I think we can agree that as a franchise the Browns aren't quite where Baltimore is year in and year out.
And they got their doors completely blown off by the teams they are chasing in this division.
And yes I know Baltimore is behind the Browns in the standings, but I think we can agree that as a franchise the Browns aren't quite where Baltimore is year in and year out.
There is no doubt we aren't where the Ravens & Steelers are yet, that takes time, but I do believe a lot of pieces, on & off the field, are falling in place.
Mike
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Yep, but similar style of play THIS year HAS taken the Browns to 7-3.
Mike
And they got their doors completely blown off by the teams they are chasing in this division.
And yes I know Baltimore is behind the Browns in the standings, but I think we can agree that as a franchise the Browns aren't quite where Baltimore is year in and year out.
And they got their doors completely blown off by the teams they are chasing in this division.
And yes I know Baltimore is behind the Browns in the standings, but I think we can agree that as a franchise the Browns aren't quite where Baltimore is year in and year out.
Well, if the Browns beat the Jags, and the Steelers beat the RFs...then THIS we will have a 2 game lead over theme. So all those past years will be OUT and this year we would be the ones IN.
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And they got their doors completely blown off by the teams they are chasing in this division.
And yes I know Baltimore is behind the Browns in the standings, but I think we can agree that as a franchise the Browns aren't quite where Baltimore is year in and year out.
There is no doubt we aren't where the Ravens & Steelers are yet, that takes time, but I do believe a lot of pieces, on & off the field, are falling in place.
Mike
There is no doubt we aren't where the Ravens & Steelers are yet, that takes time, but I do believe a lot of pieces, on & off the field, are falling in place.
Mike
See above....you are right, we would not be where the Ravens are.....we would be better. And if we beat Jax, our record will be better or as good as any team in the NFL except....the Steelers, Chiefs, and Saints (assuming they beat Denver).
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There is no doubt we aren't where the Ravens & Steelers are yet, that takes time, but I do believe a lot of pieces, on & off the field, are falling in place.
Mike
See above....you are right, we would not be where the Ravens are.....we would be better. And if we beat Jax, our record will be better or as good as any team in the NFL except....the Steelers, Chiefs, and Saints (assuming they beat Denver).
See above....you are right, we would not be where the Ravens are.....we would be better. And if we beat Jax, our record will be better or as good as any team in the NFL except....the Steelers, Chiefs, and Saints (assuming they beat Denver).
Stop being so myopic.
Finishing ahead of a traditional playoff team for two decades ONCE doesn't mean anything if the Browns fall apart again next season, which is what they did the TWO times they actually finished higher than .500 since 1999.
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See above....you are right, we would not be where the Ravens are.....we would be better. And if we beat Jax, our record will be better or as good as any team in the NFL except....the Steelers, Chiefs, and Saints (assuming they beat Denver).
Stop being so myopic.
Finishing ahead of a traditional playoff team for two decades ONCE doesn't mean anything if the Browns fall apart again next season, which is what they did the TWO times they actually finished higher than .500 since 1999.
Stop being so myopic.
Finishing ahead of a traditional playoff team for two decades ONCE doesn't anything if the Browns fall apart again next season, which is what they did the TWO times they actually finished higher than .500 since 1999.
Well I’m talking about the here and now. And for the here and now, and who knows about the future WE have the better record. And maybe we have a coach that will make us into a traditional playoff team . That’s starts now. For decades the New England Patriots were the most pathetic franchise in the NFL. But then they got a coach and a QB became the best franchise in the NFL. Things can and do change and hopefully they have for us at this point. So, it appears to me that you are the one being myopic...only seeing the Browns through the narrow window of their recent past. You may need to take the blinders off to see our potential bright future.
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I don't like using the words easy win. I hope it is but...
WSS
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That cracking you hear is the sound of a pattern being broken...
It's music to our ears.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Fan Questions.. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/12/play-calling-message-to-baker-the-browns-offensive-line-finding-some-joy-hey-terry.html always a Pluto classic..(classic photo too!)
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Fan Questions.. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/12/play-calling-message-to-baker-the-browns-offensive-line-finding-some-joy-hey-terry.html always a Pluto classic..(classic photo too!)
Fan Questions.. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/12/play-calling-message-to-baker-the-browns-offensive-line-finding-some-joy-hey-terry.html always a Pluto classic..(classic photo too!)
Hey, Terry: How can we convince the fans if the Browns lose against Tennessee, it’s not the end of the world? – Charlie Connor
Hey, Charlie: Just say this: “The Browns are 8-4.” Say it a few times, let it sink in. Then ask yourself, “In the summer, if the Browns had an 8-4 record after 12 games, would that make you smile?”???????? -
Fan Questions.. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/12/play-calling-message-to-baker-the-browns-offensive-line-finding-some-joy-hey-terry.html always a Pluto classic..(classic photo too!)
Hey, Terry: How can we convince the fans if the Browns lose against Tennessee, it’s not the end of the world? – Charlie Connor
Hey, Charlie: Just say this: “The Browns are 8-4.” Say it a few times, let it sink in. Then ask yourself, “In the summer, if the Browns had an 8-4 record after 12 games, would that make you smile?”????????Hey, Terry: How can we convince the fans if the Browns lose against Tennessee, it’s not the end of the world? – Charlie Connor
Hey, Charlie: Just say this: “The Browns are 8-4.” Say it a few times, let it sink in. Then ask yourself, “In the summer, if the Browns had an 8-4 record after 12 games, would that make you smile?”????????True. The question will be though...where will we be in the playoff standings.
Tough schedule ahead: Games with Tits/Rats/Squibs...and two on the road in NY, though even against bad teams, won't be easy. See: Jacksonville.
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Hey, Terry: How can we convince the fans if the Browns lose against Tennessee, it’s not the end of the world? – Charlie Connor
Hey, Charlie: Just say this: “The Browns are 8-4.” Say it a few times, let it sink in. Then ask yourself, “In the summer, if the Browns had an 8-4 record after 12 games, would that make you smile?”????????True. The question will be though...where will we be in the playoff standings.
Tough schedule ahead: Games with Tits/Rats/Squibs...and two on the road in NY, though even against bad teams, won't be easy. See: Jacksonville.
True. The question will be though...where will we be in the playoff standings.
Tough schedule ahead: Games with Tits/Rats/Squibs...and two on the road in NY, though even against bad teams, won't be easy. See: Jacksonville.
Well since I was predicting 6-10 before the season given the weaknesses in the defense, they have already surpassed my expectations. Playoffs never even entered my mind.
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