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  • Washington is a good team on a win steak of their own. Our offense is dropping the ball like crazy which is correctabke. They aren't going to just start dropping games. You need to lay off the bottle. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @vagitron said:

    Washington is a good team on a win steak of their own. Our offense is dropping the ball like crazy which is correctabke. They aren't going to just start dropping games. You need to lay off the bottle. 

    Face it, the Ravens are a shell of themselves...and you nearly got picked off by them....and the WTFs  were a 4-7 team, and yinz lost at home to them. Don't be so sure they may not start dropping games, because nearly every team you play hereafter are better than those two teams. 

  • @vagitron said:

    Washington is a good team on a win steak of their own. Our offense is dropping the ball like crazy which is correctable. They aren't going to just start dropping games. You need to lay off the bottle. 

    I only watched the first half. Will definitely watch the rest of the game now. 🙂  Steelers defense is still decent- even minus Dupree. Only a FG in the second half for your offense... 

    Don't make excuses- you lost. Hmmm.... Though that loss may cost you the #1 seed in the playoffs... 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @hoorta said:

    I only watched the first half. Will definitely watch the rest of the game now. 🙂  Steelers defense is still decent- even minus Dupree. Only a FG in the second half for your offense... 

    Don't make excuses- you lost. Hmmm.... Though that loss may cost you the #1 seed in the playoffs... 

    Not so far, they still hold the top spot. 

  • @kvoethe said:

    Cant run the ball anymore since munch left.

    It's randy our oc. It has shit to do with munchak leaving. Decastro is also markedly worse im the run game to the point that I think he's still hurt. It is what it is, they played terribly and lost. Randy also can't be calling stretch plays with a north/south banger in Connor. (Same with snell who played today)

    Randy called a draw on 3 and 10 today on our side of the field. It's inexcusable. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @vagitron said:

    It's randy our oc. It has shit to do with munchak leaving. Decastro is also markedly worse im the run game to the point that I think he's still hurt. It is what it is, they played terribly and lost. Randy also can't be calling stretch plays with a north/south banger in Connor. (Same with snell who played today)

    Randy called a draw on 3 and 10 today on our side of the field. It's inexcusable. 

    Well, it is either a draw, or one of those 3 yard dinks that he calls up. 

  • @kvoethe said:

    They call Ebron "Droptimus Prime"

    It's not just ebron. The team needs to refocus, might be a blessing in disguise to lose this game. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @vagitron said:

    It's not just ebron. The team needs to refocus, might be a blessing in disguise to lose this game. 

    So, if it is just drops, why is that? 

  • @tour2ma said:

    Actually it's a good conservative call if you have a lead and a good Defense.

    You failed to punch it in from the 1-yd line. The one pass was errant, not a drop. Three runs went for nada.

    I'd say you missing Munchak is plausible.

    And Mr. Stats you may want to check how many drops they have over the last two games. You trying to join gipper on the high porch?

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @vagitron said:

    And Mr. Stats you may want to check how many drops they have over the last two games. You trying to join gipper on the high porch?

    There is another way to characterize that situation:  they just suck at catching the ball. 

  • @kvoethe said:

    Cant run the ball anymore since munch left.

    It's randy our oc. It has shit to do with munchak leaving. Decastro is also markedly worse im the run game to the point that I think he's still hurt. It is what it is, they played terribly and lost. Randy also can't be calling stretch plays with a north/south banger in Connor. (Same with snell who played today)

    Randy called a draw on 3 and 10 today on our side of the field. It's inexcusable. 

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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    @vagitron said:

    It's randy our oc. It has shit to do with munchak leaving. Decastro is also markedly worse im the run game to the point that I think he's still hurt. It is what it is, they played terribly and lost. Randy also can't be calling stretch plays with a north/south banger in Connor. (Same with snell who played today)

    Randy called a draw on 3 and 10 today on our side of the field. It's inexcusable. 

    I saw that interesting stat during the game Ben's completion% on passes of 20+ yards is pretty lousy. Blame that on drops- I know you can... 🙂   

  • BrownsfaninPaB BrownsfaninPa wrote on last edited by
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    Im so glad to see the Steelers lose finally. And their up coming games are very much possible losses to Indy, and Buffalo. And that would give us a chance to possibly win the divison if we continue to win and we of course beat them in the last game of the season.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    Final thoughts...

    1. I wonder if the Steelers got caught looking ahead a lil... they face BUF this week.
    2. Saw a couple ESPN discussions with Ryan Clark (a pretty good analyst IMO) and he said the issue with the Steelers is "they can't run the ball"... so there's that.
    3. If you throw 53 times in a game, it's not rocket science to figure there are gonna be some drops.
    4. Some of the drops were on less catchable throws than others. Top example had to be what was described as a back-shoulder(?) throw to McFadden on 4th and 1. If that was Ben's intent, then it was a poor throw too high and wide; if not, then it was a bad adjustment by McFadden. But how reasonable is it to expect a WR-quality adjustment by a "3rd-string RB with 5 catches in his career"? Personally I think Ben was throwing over McF's outside shoulder requiring him to turn outside, not around... and that's an adjustment that takes a lot of experience.
  • Final thoughts...

    1. I wonder if the Steelers got caught looking ahead a lil... they face BUF this week.
    2. Saw a couple ESPN discussions with Ryan Clark (a pretty good analyst IMO) and he said the issue with the Steelers is "they can't run the ball"... so there's that.
    3. If you throw 53 times in a game, it's not rocket science to figure there are gonna be some drops.
    4. Some of the drops were on less catchable throws than others. Top example had to be what was described as a back-shoulder(?) throw to McFadden on 4th and 1. If that was Ben's intent, then it was a poor throw too high and wide; if not, then it was a bad adjustment by McFadden. But how reasonable is it to expect a WR-quality adjustment by a "3rd-string RB with 5 catches in his career"? Personally I think Ben was throwing over McF's outside shoulder requiring him to turn outside, not around... and that's an adjustment that takes a lot of experience.
    D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    Final thoughts...

    1. I wonder if the Steelers got caught looking ahead a lil... they face BUF this week.

    Man the Bills look good. All phases. 

  • @tour2ma said:

    Final thoughts...

    1. I wonder if the Steelers got caught looking ahead a lil... they face BUF this week.

    Man the Bills look good. All phases. 

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @d-bone said:

    Man the Bills look good. All phases. 

    Except their ground game is weak as is run D.... that's their Achilles heel or heels. Mostert averaged 4.7 on 9 carries and Wilson 6.7 on 7. Game situation took them out of the game. For Bills Singletary averaged 3.4 and Moss 3.0.

    Makes for an interesting match-up with PTG this week. PTG game should turn on who can effectively pressure opposing QB. Tougher job for PTG as they have to rush under control or Allen will take off, but it's a job they have to do. Give Allen time and he's plenty good enough now to gouge a D, but under pressure he will revert to his WTF form.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    One more final thought: Steelers' pass D really seemed to suffer after Haden left game with a concussion.

    Not sure why unless DC had 2ndary shading towards his replacement as WSH really went to work on its right-side short and left-side middling to deep.

  • @vagitron said:

    It's randy our oc. It has shit to do with munchak leaving. Decastro is also markedly worse im the run game to the point that I think he's still hurt. It is what it is, they played terribly and lost. Randy also can't be calling stretch plays with a north/south banger in Connor. (Same with snell who played today)

    Randy called a draw on 3 and 10 today on our side of the field. It's inexcusable. 

    I saw that interesting stat during the game Ben's completion% on passes of 20+ yards is pretty lousy. Blame that on drops- I know you can... 🙂   

    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by
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    @hoorta said:

    I saw that interesting stat during the game Ben's completion% on passes of 20+ yards is pretty lousy. Blame that on drops- I know you can... 🙂   

    They lead the league in drops by 10 as it stands right now. The drops last night are the most they have had in a long time. Ben over 20+ is because of drops but he definitely hasn't been perfect and he owns that like he did last night post game. It is what it is but our OC sucks and our guys (not everyone) are dropping the ball. 

    Tomlin said last night if you can't gain a yard (goal line failure) you don't deserve to win the game. Frankly I'm glad they lost before a possible wake up call is too late. People sleeping on Washington also aren't paying attention. Massively underrated defense and Smith is playing well. The Steelers deserved to lose and drops aren't an excuse, it's a failure to execute. 

  • One more final thought: Steelers' pass D really seemed to suffer after Haden left game with a concussion.

    Not sure why unless DC had 2ndary shading towards his replacement as WSH really went to work on its right-side short and left-side middling to deep.

    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    One more final thought: Steelers' pass D really seemed to suffer after Haden left game with a concussion.

    Not sure why unless DC had 2ndary shading towards his replacement as WSH really went to work on its right-side short and left-side middling to deep.

    Well that would be because Haden is a beast you cut entirely too soon. We were also down Steven Nelson so while Sutton is very solid, Justin Layne is still a little raw. 

  • Final thoughts...

    1. I wonder if the Steelers got caught looking ahead a lil... they face BUF this week.
    2. Saw a couple ESPN discussions with Ryan Clark (a pretty good analyst IMO) and he said the issue with the Steelers is "they can't run the ball"... so there's that.
    3. If you throw 53 times in a game, it's not rocket science to figure there are gonna be some drops.
    4. Some of the drops were on less catchable throws than others. Top example had to be what was described as a back-shoulder(?) throw to McFadden on 4th and 1. If that was Ben's intent, then it was a poor throw too high and wide; if not, then it was a bad adjustment by McFadden. But how reasonable is it to expect a WR-quality adjustment by a "3rd-string RB with 5 catches in his career"? Personally I think Ben was throwing over McF's outside shoulder requiring him to turn outside, not around... and that's an adjustment that takes a lot of experience.
    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    Final thoughts...

    1. I wonder if the Steelers got caught looking ahead a lil... they face BUF this week.
    2. Saw a couple ESPN discussions with Ryan Clark (a pretty good analyst IMO) and he said the issue with the Steelers is "they can't run the ball"... so there's that.
    3. If you throw 53 times in a game, it's not rocket science to figure there are gonna be some drops.
    4. Some of the drops were on less catchable throws than others. Top example had to be what was described as a back-shoulder(?) throw to McFadden on 4th and 1. If that was Ben's intent, then it was a poor throw too high and wide; if not, then it was a bad adjustment by McFadden. But how reasonable is it to expect a WR-quality adjustment by a "3rd-string RB with 5 catches in his career"? Personally I think Ben was throwing over McF's outside shoulder requiring him to turn outside, not around... and that's an adjustment that takes a lot of experience.

    Admittedly I missed most of the game but the Bud Dupree loss has to sting - Alex Smith looked like he had good numbers 

  • @tour2ma said:

    Final thoughts...

    1. I wonder if the Steelers got caught looking ahead a lil... they face BUF this week.

    Man the Bills look good. All phases. 

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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    @d-bone said:

    Man the Bills look good. All phases. 

    Cal can take a bow- Allen's accuracy has improved by orders of magnitude since his college days. There was never any question he could throw the ball out of the stadium on demand. 

  • @tour2ma said:

    One more final thought: Steelers' pass D really seemed to suffer after Haden left game with a concussion.

    Not sure why unless DC had 2ndary shading towards his replacement as WSH really went to work on its right-side short and left-side middling to deep.

    Well that would be because Haden is a beast you cut entirely too soon. We were also down Steven Nelson so while Sutton is very solid, Justin Layne is still a little raw. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #43

    @vagitron said:

    Well that would be because Haden is a beast you cut entirely too soon. We were also down Steven Nelson so while Sutton is very solid, Justin Layne is still a little raw. 

    If he is/was a beast for you....then he was a complete slacker for two years for us....because he really truly played poorly, like he was done.   Or, I don't know, he may have been suffering from a 3 year injury which he finally overcame.    

  • @tour2ma said:

    Final thoughts...

    1. I wonder if the Steelers got caught looking ahead a lil... they face BUF this week.
    2. Saw a couple ESPN discussions with Ryan Clark (a pretty good analyst IMO) and he said the issue with the Steelers is "they can't run the ball"... so there's that.
    3. If you throw 53 times in a game, it's not rocket science to figure there are gonna be some drops.
    4. Some of the drops were on less catchable throws than others. Top example had to be what was described as a back-shoulder(?) throw to McFadden on 4th and 1. If that was Ben's intent, then it was a poor throw too high and wide; if not, then it was a bad adjustment by McFadden. But how reasonable is it to expect a WR-quality adjustment by a "3rd-string RB with 5 catches in his career"? Personally I think Ben was throwing over McF's outside shoulder requiring him to turn outside, not around... and that's an adjustment that takes a lot of experience.

    Admittedly I missed most of the game but the Bud Dupree loss has to sting - Alex Smith looked like he had good numbers 

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @sdbacker80 said:

    Admittedly I missed most of the game but the Bud Dupree loss has to sting - Alex Smith looked like he had good numbers 

    Dialing up pressure was not one of the Steeler D's issues, but certainly Dupree would have been a plus for them.

  • U Unsympathetic wrote on last edited by
    #45

  • @vagitron said:

    Well that would be because Haden is a beast you cut entirely too soon. We were also down Steven Nelson so while Sutton is very solid, Justin Layne is still a little raw. 

    If he is/was a beast for you....then he was a complete slacker for two years for us....because he really truly played poorly, like he was done.   Or, I don't know, he may have been suffering from a 3 year injury which he finally overcame.    

    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    If he is/was a beast for you....then he was a complete slacker for two years for us....because he really truly played poorly, like he was done.   Or, I don't know, he may have been suffering from a 3 year injury which he finally overcame.    

    Or its the culture change.  He's been terrific for us. 

  • @vagitron said:

    Well that would be because Haden is a beast you cut entirely too soon. We were also down Steven Nelson so while Sutton is very solid, Justin Layne is still a little raw. 

    If he is/was a beast for you....then he was a complete slacker for two years for us....because he really truly played poorly, like he was done.   Or, I don't know, he may have been suffering from a 3 year injury which he finally overcame.    

    nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
    #47

    @the-gipper said:

    If he is/was a beast for you....then he was a complete slacker for two years for us....because he really truly played poorly, like he was done.   Or, I don't know, he may have been suffering from a 3 year injury which he finally overcame.    

    Or maybe he's doing roids... It wouldn't surprise me one bit...