NFL Rebranding Survey for my School Research Project
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Yeah I'm just gonna stop responding to this thread because at this point it's a huge waste of time. I've had ZERO issues with the others team I'm investigating (I've posted my survey on fan forums for all the teams I'm looking at). This could just be because I'm a Ravens fan, or it could be because you all are just stubborn old men who won't take 30 seconds out of their day to help someone out (like seriously you won't die by filling out a survey that you deem to not be 100% accurate). I've stated my reasons for the Browns 2018-2020 "rebrand" numerous times, so if any of you want to take the time to read the whole thread, be my guest. I'm not even going to give any of you the satisfaction of saying you "broke me down" or "defeated me" because you honestly didn't. I've never really had any negative views towards the Dawg Pound, but this whole discussion has really showed the true colors of the Browns faithful. I guess one positive that come out of this is that you guys truly do represent your team because just like a "dawg" once you bite, you don't ever let go. Good bye to you all.
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Yeah I'm just gonna stop responding to this thread because at this point it's a huge waste of time. I've had ZERO issues with the others team I'm investigating (I've posted my survey on fan forums for all the teams I'm looking at). This could just be because I'm a Ravens fan, or it could be because you all are just stubborn old men who won't take 30 seconds out of their day to help someone out (like seriously you won't die by filling out a survey that you deem to not be 100% accurate). I've stated my reasons for the Browns 2018-2020 "rebrand" numerous times, so if any of you want to take the time to read the whole thread, be my guest. I'm not even going to give any of you the satisfaction of saying you "broke me down" or "defeated me" because you honestly didn't. I've never really had any negative views towards the Dawg Pound, but this whole discussion has really showed the true colors of the Browns faithful. I guess one positive that come out of this is that you guys truly do represent your team because just like a "dawg" once you bite, you don't ever let go. Good bye to you all.
Yeah I'm just gonna stop responding to this thread because at this point it's a huge waste of time. I've had ZERO issues with the others team I'm investigating (I've posted my survey on fan forums for all the teams I'm looking at). This could just be because I'm a Ravens fan, or it could be because you all are just stubborn old men who won't take 30 seconds out of their day to help someone out (like seriously you won't die by filling out a survey that you deem to not be 100% accurate). I've stated my reasons for the Browns 2018-2020 "rebrand" numerous times, so if any of you want to take the time to read the whole thread, be my guest. I'm not even going to give any of you the satisfaction of saying you "broke me down" or "defeated me" because you honestly didn't. I've never really had any negative views towards the Dawg Pound, but this whole discussion has really showed the true colors of the Browns faithful. I guess one positive that come out of this is that you guys truly do represent your team because just like a "dawg" once you bite, you don't ever let go. Good bye to you all.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on t he way out!
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Yeah I'm just gonna stop responding to this thread because at this point it's a huge waste of time. I've had ZERO issues with the others team I'm investigating (I've posted my survey on fan forums for all the teams I'm looking at). This could just be because I'm a Ravens fan, or it could be because you all are just stubborn old men who won't take 30 seconds out of their day to help someone out (like seriously you won't die by filling out a survey that you deem to not be 100% accurate). I've stated my reasons for the Browns 2018-2020 "rebrand" numerous times, so if any of you want to take the time to read the whole thread, be my guest. I'm not even going to give any of you the satisfaction of saying you "broke me down" or "defeated me" because you honestly didn't. I've never really had any negative views towards the Dawg Pound, but this whole discussion has really showed the true colors of the Browns faithful. I guess one positive that come out of this is that you guys truly do represent your team because just like a "dawg" once you bite, you don't ever let go. Good bye to you all.
Yeah I'm just gonna stop responding to this thread because at this point it's a huge waste of time. I've had ZERO issues with the others team I'm investigating (I've posted my survey on fan forums for all the teams I'm looking at). This could just be because I'm a Ravens fan, or it could be because you all are just stubborn old men who won't take 30 seconds out of their day to help someone out (like seriously you won't die by filling out a survey that you deem to not be 100% accurate). I've stated my reasons for the Browns 2018-2020 "rebrand" numerous times, so if any of you want to take the time to read the whole thread, be my guest. I'm not even going to give any of you the satisfaction of saying you "broke me down" or "defeated me" because you honestly didn't. I've never really had any negative views towards the Dawg Pound, but this whole discussion has really showed the true colors of the Browns faithful. I guess one positive that come out of this is that you guys truly do represent your team because just like a "dawg" once you bite, you don't ever let go. Good bye to you all.
It has fuck all to do with you being a Ravens fan....
And now you ARE being a complete obstinate child. And apparently, ungrateful as well. All the things I and Gunz have done here to educate you to the truth, but YOU are the one that turns around and show your true colors by being ungrateful for that, and continuing on with your misguided, off base contentions.
Here is the point: " Your" reasons for claiming the Browns have rebranded are just wrong, absurd, and useless...and your research and conclusion will be so off base that they will be drivel.....and we have tried to help you understand that, so that you can try to do things properly. Better for you to hear this from us than your teacher.
Your project, if you continue to include the Browns based on you incorrect assumptions in it, will be garbage, and we are trying to help you avoid that.
And see, what you have actually run into here are not old men or Ravens haters...at least as it applies to you. You have found a truly dedicated, knowledgeable, intelligent fan base who is aware of their history and purpose. It may be something you have never been exposed to before.
So, yes....dis-include the Browns from your study. Your grade will be better for it. As I have advised many times....replace them with the Raiders, who are really a more apt franchise for your research.
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Yeah I'm just gonna stop responding to this thread because at this point it's a huge waste of time. I've had ZERO issues with the others team I'm investigating (I've posted my survey on fan forums for all the teams I'm looking at). This could just be because I'm a Ravens fan, or it could be because you all are just stubborn old men who won't take 30 seconds out of their day to help someone out (like seriously you won't die by filling out a survey that you deem to not be 100% accurate). I've stated my reasons for the Browns 2018-2020 "rebrand" numerous times, so if any of you want to take the time to read the whole thread, be my guest. I'm not even going to give any of you the satisfaction of saying you "broke me down" or "defeated me" because you honestly didn't. I've never really had any negative views towards the Dawg Pound, but this whole discussion has really showed the true colors of the Browns faithful. I guess one positive that come out of this is that you guys truly do represent your team because just like a "dawg" once you bite, you don't ever let go. Good bye to you all.
like seriously you won't die by filling out a survey
Like seriously you won't die by changing your proposed definition of "rebrand" to match reality.
I'm not even going to give any of you the satisfaction of saying you "broke me down" or "defeated me"
This thread isn't an attack on you - it's an attack on your strategy. The definition is the entire thing whether you're capable of acknowledging it or not.
You had a hypothesis and data was presented which your hypothesis couldn't deal with. Your hypothesis has to change.. it's objectively wrong. Be willing to change when you're presented with new information that you hadn't considered.
Your emotion has nothing to do with it. Nobody has the slightest care whether you're defeated or not. Pro tip: Get over yourself.
Even if your pride tells you that your acceptance of some content on this thread is "taking an L" - man to man, the better move would be to make the changes and walk away with the W of a paper that represents reality. At present, you're wrong, and no amount of emotion changes that.
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Yeah I'm just gonna stop responding to this thread because at this point it's a huge waste of time. I've had ZERO issues with the others team I'm investigating (I've posted my survey on fan forums for all the teams I'm looking at). This could just be because I'm a Ravens fan, or it could be because you all are just stubborn old men who won't take 30 seconds out of their day to help someone out (like seriously you won't die by filling out a survey that you deem to not be 100% accurate). I've stated my reasons for the Browns 2018-2020 "rebrand" numerous times, so if any of you want to take the time to read the whole thread, be my guest. I'm not even going to give any of you the satisfaction of saying you "broke me down" or "defeated me" because you honestly didn't. I've never really had any negative views towards the Dawg Pound, but this whole discussion has really showed the true colors of the Browns faithful. I guess one positive that come out of this is that you guys truly do represent your team because just like a "dawg" once you bite, you don't ever let go. Good bye to you all.
Yeah I'm just gonna stop responding to this thread because at this point it's a huge waste of time. I've had ZERO issues with the others team I'm investigating (I've posted my survey on fan forums for all the teams I'm looking at). This could just be because I'm a Ravens fan, or it could be because you all are just stubborn old men who won't take 30 seconds out of their day to help someone out (like seriously you won't die by filling out a survey that you deem to not be 100% accurate). I've stated my reasons for the Browns 2018-2020 "rebrand" numerous times, so if any of you want to take the time to read the whole thread, be my guest. I'm not even going to give any of you the satisfaction of saying you "broke me down" or "defeated me" because you honestly didn't. I've never really had any negative views towards the Dawg Pound, but this whole discussion has really showed the true colors of the Browns faithful. I guess one positive that come out of this is that you guys truly do represent your team because just like a "dawg" once you bite, you don't ever let go. Good bye to you all.
Never ONCE was I anything but helpful to you.
You just have some kind of set thoughts and will not waiver or even look at another view. And you seem to be of the opinion that someone who doesn't agree is against you or trying to break you down.
But no sir, you did not explain your reasons why you considered it a rebrand. What you did say was incorrect (i.e. mentioned Stefanski). And you also did not explain AT ALL a thought process on a 2014 rebrand.
If you can use any variables you want and it is just for a grade, then by all means go for it. But you stated you chose this topic because of you being interested in it.
And from what I have read, 1 person on here has said something rude to you. Yet you classify everyone on here in a negative way, and even go as far as saying anyone who wouldn't help you isn't being decent.
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I didn't read through it all, but I think Unsympathetic has said it and I have to be sympathetic (I'm so funny...) with his opinion, and say that what every team does every 3 years shouldn't be considered rebranding, or not as lightly as you seemingly have done.
It's a redesigning of the product, but it goes as far as changing the uniforms, fonts, and the style everything is portrayed to the media (banners, etc), but it isn't a full rebranding as the brand already exists and substantially keeps being the same. If I recall correctly, some friends I have doing that kind of stuff in publicity companies would call it ''branding'', but not ''rebranding''.
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I don't know if this kid would come back here....seeing that he is intimidated by facts. But here is are other "factoids" he probably was not aware of:
Over the 28 year period from 1946 to 1973, the Browns had 26 winning record seasons. One .500 season, and one losing season. That one year being 1956, the hangover year after the retirement of Otto Graham.
I don't know if any team has ever matched that record.
Patriots I know may be fairly close. And perhaps Cowboys.
In checking:
Patriots, in 28 years since 1992 have had 5 losing seasons....3 of them at the beginning of the counting and 1 .500 season.
Dallas between 1965 and 1992 had 5 losing seasons and 1. .500 season.
The Steelers in the last 28 years, same period as the Pats, have only had 3 losing seasons....and 4 .500 seasons
The 49ers from 1980 to 2008 had 9 losing seasons.
The Chicago Bears, from 1920 to 1948 only had 2 losing seasons...and no .500 season (Plus 3 more in a row after that.)
The Green Bay Packers from 1921 to 1949 had only 3 losing seasons, and no .500 seasons.
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I think you missed the entire point, and I am trying to help you.
Now 1st, I'll give you the benefit of doubt that you are who you say you are. And as such, you shouldn't be spoken to like a few have. Of course I do have a different view of kids that aren't mine as I have coached a long time. But, it also does seem a bit strange that you happen to do this on a week that the Browns and Ravens play. So that is why you are getting some push back from others.
Now on to what you have said, you will certainly get some negative feedback for saying it is a completely different organization than the one that moved to Baltimore. That is just completely inaccurate. Everything STAYED in Cleveland aside from the current individuals in the organization.
I used Jacksonville for a specific reason. They couldn't be considered a rebranding (as you described) because their 1 good year was an outlier.
And I have no idea how you can use what you said in this post as evidence. In 2018 (if you are using Bakers 1st year) they did not have a new coaching staff. If you are meaning after the 2018 season when there was hope that Browns had turned a corner, they certainly didn't have a reputable staff, as they had 2 head coaches last year, and NEITHER are on the staff.
Now I am certainly not in your class or your teacher, but your idea/definition of a rebrand is so off that I don't think that anyone will be able to follow including your teacher the way you are describing it. But let's use a few different things instead of football to show how this is coming off to an outsider. Lets use Basketball 1st. So in your description of a rebrand, the Golden State Warriors have went through 3 rebrand in the last 10 years. Pre Durant, With Durant, Post Durant. Or lets use a company, say Mountain Dew, when they add/remove a new flavor or change a top executive is that rebranding?
Thank you again for the constructive criticism, and trust me I wouldn't lie about being a high schooler because of all things that puts a larger target on my back. As I mentioned in my first response in this thread, my definition of a rebrand is more of a mentality change surrounding the organization. I didn't pull this definition out of my ass. I have been researching marketing in sports for the past three months and the identity of a team is what people tend to consider most when choosing their fandom. In my survey it mentions only the hiring of Stefanski as part of the rebrand, not the Freddie Kitchens disaster. With my definition of a rebrand, the Warriors wouldn't be considered a rebranded team over the past ten years because their identity as being a title contender hasn't changed (besides last year, but that was because of uncontrollable injuries). Mountain Dew adding a new flavor would also not be considered a rebrand with my definition because the company has the same identity in the public's eyes.
Other factoids that may interest only me:
I have been researching marketing in sports for the past three months
In no particular order, on this thread, we have seen: Two business consultants each w >15 years of experience, an elected Ohio judge, 5 engineers, an experienced football coach, and a gumby.
This isn't the Ravens forum for the insane traveling carnival magicians and homeless yoga instructors - people are actually professionals here.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Other factoids that may interest only me:
I have been researching marketing in sports for the past three months
In no particular order, on this thread, we have seen: Two business consultants each w >15 years of experience, an elected Ohio judge, 5 engineers, an experienced football coach, and a gumby.
This isn't the Ravens forum for the insane traveling carnival magicians and homeless yoga instructors - people are actually professionals here.
Other factoids that may interest only me:
In no particular order, on this thread, we have seen: Two business consultants each w >15 years of experience, an elected Ohio judge, 5 engineers, an experienced football coach, and a gumby.
This isn't the Ravens forum for the insane traveling carnival magicians and homeless yoga instructors - people are actually professionals here.
Actually I am not elected in my position. I am appointed. Assuming you were talking about me when you said Ohio judge.
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Other factoids that may interest only me:
I have been researching marketing in sports for the past three months
In no particular order, on this thread, we have seen: Two business consultants each w >15 years of experience, an elected Ohio judge, 5 engineers, an experienced football coach, and a gumby.
This isn't the Ravens forum for the insane traveling carnival magicians and homeless yoga instructors - people are actually professionals here.
Other factoids that may interest only me:
In no particular order, on this thread, we have seen: Two business consultants each w >15 years of experience, an elected Ohio judge, 5 engineers, an experienced football coach, and a gumby.
Some respect, please. I hope you're not calling me Engineer, I'm an Architect.
Gumby could be considered Engineer of Words. -
This thread might be the biggest "Who gives a fuck?" thread I've seen on here in quite a while.
Well done to everyone involved.
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This thread might be the biggest "Who gives a fuck?" thread I've seen on here in quite a while.
Well done to everyone involved.
This thread might be the biggest "Who gives a fuck?" thread I've seen on here in quite a while.
Well done to everyone involved.
We try our best.
I don't know why, but now I want to eat some cereals
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Other factoids that may interest only me:
I have been researching marketing in sports for the past three months
In no particular order, on this thread, we have seen: Two business consultants each w >15 years of experience, an elected Ohio judge, 5 engineers, an experienced football coach, and a gumby.
This isn't the Ravens forum for the insane traveling carnival magicians and homeless yoga instructors - people are actually professionals here.
Other factoids that may interest only me:
In no particular order, on this thread, we have seen: Two business consultants each w >15 years of experience, an elected Ohio judge, 5 engineers, an experienced football coach, and a gumby.
This isn't the Ravens forum for the insane traveling carnival magicians and homeless yoga instructors - people are actually professionals here.
Now I am trying to rack my brain to figure out who is who in this lol
So here is a good Gipper trivia. Identity the 10 people Unsympathetic is speaking of
I think I can name 4.
Gipper- Judge
Nero- Engineer (I think I remember)
Gumby- the tiny green bender
Gunz41- the dumb jock football coach
P.S.- The "presumed" high schooler that MUST know more than the aforementioned 10, apereg11.
And by the way, I searched the other teams message boards that I could find, and the ONLY mention I found on rebranding was asked by a college professor I believe it was. Haha
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Other factoids that may interest only me:
In no particular order, on this thread, we have seen: Two business consultants each w >15 years of experience, an elected Ohio judge, 5 engineers, an experienced football coach, and a gumby.
This isn't the Ravens forum for the insane traveling carnival magicians and homeless yoga instructors - people are actually professionals here.
Now I am trying to rack my brain to figure out who is who in this lol
So here is a good Gipper trivia. Identity the 10 people Unsympathetic is speaking of
I think I can name 4.
Gipper- Judge
Nero- Engineer (I think I remember)
Gumby- the tiny green bender
Gunz41- the dumb jock football coach
P.S.- The "presumed" high schooler that MUST know more than the aforementioned 10, apereg11.
And by the way, I searched the other teams message boards that I could find, and the ONLY mention I found on rebranding was asked by a college professor I believe it was. Haha
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Again. I'm an ARCHITECT.
We like Architects. Brian Sipe became an architect after football. Now, talk about a rebranding.
By the way.....the Makeup and Director of Special Effects for The Mandalorian is named Brian Sipe:
https://www.briansipe.com/the-madalorian
and more:
Brian Sipe is known for his work on Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017), Captain Marvel(2019) and X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014).
I wonder if that could be his kid.
Edit: I have checked an can find nothing that says the two are related.
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Should have just took detention...
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