**** Ravens at Browns Gameday thread
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Only thing better would have been a W...
Our guys left it all on the field tonite.
I'm proud of them.
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I think it's obvious that we need Beckham back. Beckham is our #1, Higgins can be or #2 and Landry in the slot because he has the knack for getting open and he catches everything.
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Baker gave them six at the end. We just aren’t there yet. But we are getting there! I’m certainly excited to see the Browns improvement this year
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I just can't give the I'm proud of them rhetoric. It looked so easy and looked like we never really had a chance. I'm explicitly tired of not having a defense that I can be proud of, and it just feels like we'll always be who we are, and that's the team that gives up a 3rd and 10 to the backup QB when the game is on the line, or the team that leaves people open running across the field, or the team that see decides to miss kicks in the biggest effing game in literally 20 years.
I'll get to where I'm proud of them later, but right now I'm not. They choked yet again to a team they almost never beat.
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I just can't give the I'm proud of them rhetoric. It looked so easy and looked like we never really had a chance. I'm explicitly tired of not having a defense that I can be proud of, and it just feels like we'll always be who we are, and that's the team that gives up a 3rd and 10 to the backup QB when the game is on the line, or the team that leaves people open running across the field, or the team that see decides to miss kicks in the biggest effing game in literally 20 years.
I'll get to where I'm proud of them later, but right now I'm not. They choked yet again to a team they almost never beat.
I just can't give the I'm proud of them rhetoric. It looked so easy and looked like we never really had a chance. I'm explicitly tired of not having a defense that I can be proud of, and it just feels like we'll always be who we are, and that's the team that gives up a 3rd and 10 to the backup QB when the game is on the line, or the team that leaves people open running across the field, or the team that see decides to miss kicks in the biggest effing game in literally 20 years.
I'll get to where I'm proud of them later, but right now I'm not. They choked yet again to a team they almost never beat.
I AM proud of them. This is only year 1 of this regime & I believe we are going in the right direction. What has been accomplished within 1 season is amazing. Yes, the "D" needs help & good health, but we are closer than many think.
Even in losing, our Browns never quit, showed they can compete with anyone, earned a ton of respect, & I'm betting the Ravens wouldn't want to meet us again this season.
Season's not over...GO BROWNS!
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST -
I just can't give the I'm proud of them rhetoric. It looked so easy and looked like we never really had a chance. I'm explicitly tired of not having a defense that I can be proud of, and it just feels like we'll always be who we are, and that's the team that gives up a 3rd and 10 to the backup QB when the game is on the line, or the team that leaves people open running across the field, or the team that see decides to miss kicks in the biggest effing game in literally 20 years.
I'll get to where I'm proud of them later, but right now I'm not. They choked yet again to a team they almost never beat.
I AM proud of them. This is only year 1 of this regime & I believe we are going in the right direction. What has been accomplished within 1 season is amazing. Yes, the "D" needs help & good health, but we are closer than many think.
Even in losing, our Browns never quit, showed they can compete with anyone, earned a ton of respect, & I'm betting the Ravens wouldn't want to meet us again this season.
Season's not over...GO BROWNS!
Mike
I AM proud of them. This is only year 1 of this regime & I believe we are going in the right direction. What has been accomplished within 1 season is amazing. Yes, the "D" needs help & good health, but we are closer than many think.
Even in losing, our Browns never quit, showed they can compete with anyone, earned a ton of respect, & I'm betting the Ravens wouldn't want to meet us again this season.
Season's not over...GO BROWNS!
Mike
Yep...and the best part is this is a young team.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I just can't give the I'm proud of them rhetoric. It looked so easy and looked like we never really had a chance. I'm explicitly tired of not having a defense that I can be proud of, and it just feels like we'll always be who we are, and that's the team that gives up a 3rd and 10 to the backup QB when the game is on the line, or the team that leaves people open running across the field, or the team that see decides to miss kicks in the biggest effing game in literally 20 years.
I'll get to where I'm proud of them later, but right now I'm not. They choked yet again to a team they almost never beat.
I'm explicitly tired of not having a defense that I can be proud of
I get that frustration.
My hope is guys they drafted actually play (Greedy, Ward, Delpit) and they draft some LBs that can make an impact.
Sub par LB play might be killing us more than the 3rd & 4th string secondary.
Think about it- 9-4 with a leaky D. Couldn't fix the whole roster in one off season, but so much closer to contending.
Karlis Missed -
looks from the comments like they lost
on to the next opponent
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I just can't give the I'm proud of them rhetoric. It looked so easy and looked like we never really had a chance. I'm explicitly tired of not having a defense that I can be proud of, and it just feels like we'll always be who we are, and that's the team that gives up a 3rd and 10 to the backup QB when the game is on the line, or the team that leaves people open running across the field, or the team that see decides to miss kicks in the biggest effing game in literally 20 years.
I'll get to where I'm proud of them later, but right now I'm not. They choked yet again to a team they almost never beat.
I AM proud of them. This is only year 1 of this regime & I believe we are going in the right direction. What has been accomplished within 1 season is amazing. Yes, the "D" needs help & good health, but we are closer than many think.
Even in losing, our Browns never quit, showed they can compete with anyone, earned a ton of respect, & I'm betting the Ravens wouldn't want to meet us again this season.
Season's not over...GO BROWNS!
Mike
I AM proud of them. This is only year 1 of this regime & I believe we are going in the right direction. What has been accomplished within 1 season is amazing. Yes, the "D" needs help & good health, but we are closer than many think.
Even in losing, our Browns never quit, showed they can compete with anyone, earned a ton of respect, & I'm betting the Ravens wouldn't want to meet us again this season.
Season's not over...GO BROWNS!
Mike
I think that I heard the BROWNS defense is all under 30 year old players the only team in the league like that. A win would have been great and was so close.
Would be nice to have a dependable clutch kicker could have used one last night. Baltimore had one who hit a 55 yard kicker to win the game. Just sayin'.
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I hope this game really makes the team bear down and puts that hunger into overdrive. A wake up call of sorts.
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Always one play away....
We need new linebackers and plenty of them. Probably need to draft another freaking CB if Greedy and Ward can't stay on the field for these kinda games.
Good thing is.... that short list makes them a really tough team. It's nice to have a short list instead of the 10 foot long one we usually have.
I don't think anyone wants to say this because he is easily the best coach we've had in decades, but Stefanski deserves some heat for this game too. I thought he made some good calls throughout the game, but the overall gameplan was terrible. You need to keep their offense off the field as much as possible, throwing early into their good secondary plays right into their hands. We don't really have a playmaker at WR other than Landry, so I guess now you see the value of Beckham. Baker is not a quarterback that is going to carve up a defense. He has made some strides but he is still not there yet. That near pick 6 was atrocious.
I don't think anyone wants to say this because he is easily the best coach we've had in decades, but Stefanski deserves some heat for this game too. I thought he made some good calls throughout the game, but the overall gameplan was terrible. You need to keep their offense off the field as much as possible, throwing early into their good secondary plays right into their hands. We don't really have a playmaker at WR other than Landry, so I guess now you see the value of Beckham. Baker is not a quarterback that is going to carve up a defense. He has made some strides but he is still not there yet. That near pick 6 was atrocious.
we cannot stop superman.....end of story....i agree, we cannot get into shootouts because overall our d is not good enough but lamar was the one who got us into a shootout type of game.....our d is the issue though....especially the secondary.....the cowboys game, big lead....our d almost gives it up....titans game...same issue....it looks like rught now, we have an elway issue....could not stop him and we cannot stop lamar....not good....and don't think we have it easy the last 3 games....we could easily lose 2 out of 3 and be gasping for help from other teams to make it into the playoffs....not nearly over yet...
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We need a new D coordinator. I was excited about the hire but just had all the wrong moves this year sorry
Woods isn't the problem. We just don't have the personnel on the defense to make a deep run in the playoffs. The defense just doesn't have enough gas in the talent tank to be able to play a full 60 minutes against great teams.
Woods isn't the problem. We just don't have the personnel on the defense to make a deep run in the playoffs. The defense just doesn't have enough gas in the talent tank to be able to play a full 60 minutes against great teams.
who says we are going to the playoffs......my guess is we are going to be in that shitass sitiation where we need help from other teams....our d really sucks the big one...i could see daniel jones running amuk for the giants against us.....its like we need 8 minute drives the whole game to keep the other teams offense off the field....even the crappy teams....
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I don't think anyone wants to say this because he is easily the best coach we've had in decades, but Stefanski deserves some heat for this game too. I thought he made some good calls throughout the game, but the overall gameplan was terrible. You need to keep their offense off the field as much as possible, throwing early into their good secondary plays right into their hands. We don't really have a playmaker at WR other than Landry, so I guess now you see the value of Beckham. Baker is not a quarterback that is going to carve up a defense. He has made some strides but he is still not there yet. That near pick 6 was atrocious.
we cannot stop superman.....end of story....i agree, we cannot get into shootouts because overall our d is not good enough but lamar was the one who got us into a shootout type of game.....our d is the issue though....especially the secondary.....the cowboys game, big lead....our d almost gives it up....titans game...same issue....it looks like rught now, we have an elway issue....could not stop him and we cannot stop lamar....not good....and don't think we have it easy the last 3 games....we could easily lose 2 out of 3 and be gasping for help from other teams to make it into the playoffs....not nearly over yet...
we cannot stop superman.....end of story....i agree, we cannot get into shootouts because overall our d is not good enough but lamar was the one who got us into a shootout type of game.....our d is the issue though....especially the secondary.....the cowboys game, big lead....our d almost gives it up....titans game...same issue....it looks like rught now, we have an elway issue....could not stop him and we cannot stop lamar....not good....and don't think we have it easy the last 3 games....we could easily lose 2 out of 3 and be gasping for help from other teams to make it into the playoffs....not nearly over yet...
Do you really think the Browns will lose to Colt McCoy w/Giants and the winless Jets?
I don’t see either of those 2 things happening
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Woods isn't the problem. We just don't have the personnel on the defense to make a deep run in the playoffs. The defense just doesn't have enough gas in the talent tank to be able to play a full 60 minutes against great teams.
who says we are going to the playoffs......my guess is we are going to be in that shitass sitiation where we need help from other teams....our d really sucks the big one...i could see daniel jones running amuk for the giants against us.....its like we need 8 minute drives the whole game to keep the other teams offense off the field....even the crappy teams....
who says we are going to the playoffs......my guess is we are going to be in that shitass sitiation where we need help from other teams....our d really sucks the big one...i could see daniel jones running amuk for the giants against us.....its like we need 8 minute drives the whole game to keep the other teams offense off the field....even the crappy teams....
Jones is hurt
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Things I liked:
- I don't know how many people where in the stands, but in the TV you could sense them. I loved feeling their heat, trying to push the team.
- Every player gave a fight, and yesterday it was a big game.
- We can do anything on offense: short pass, deep pass, run. Ravens' is not a joke of a D. Baker passed to DPJ, Higgins, Landry, Bryant, Njoku, Hunt and Chubb. That's 7 receivers. I like that.
- This might be the best coaching team we've had in many years. You see adjustments, a gameplan...
Things I didn't like:
- Losing. Duh.
- Defensive gameplan. What Lamar did in the first half is simply unacceptable. I said before the game: keep him in the pocket, make him win us with his arm. He ran for 1000 miles and they rushed for 2000 yards.
- Run/pass percentage. We ran the ball, yes, but we should have done it more. Our defense is average AT BEST. I see every run play as an investment: 40seconds less in the field for our defense. I don't care if we only get 2-3 yards at some point. Baker can pass, we have receivers and a creative offensive caller, but Chubb and Hunt should be the bread and butter of this offense. Manage the clock and we got them. Everytime we do this, we get big chunk run plays on 4th qrtr.
- The defense playcall in the last Ravens TD (on 4th down). I would like to see the replay on that one, but I felt like that blitz was a mess, and the secondary got confused too. Blitzin doesn't work with a QB that can run to the sideline, limping or not.
- Offensive playcall in our last first half possession (3rd down). The Ravens had 1 minute left and 1 timeout left, and instead of forcing them to take the timeout, run the ball, put them on a hurry... Baker looked helpless on the pocket and did an intentional grounding. Before halftime, we were 7 down again.
The best thing is that these are little details, I think this will help the team in the future. It was a good game. We should be happy we have the team we have. Go Browns!
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I'm explicitly tired of not having a defense that I can be proud of
I get that frustration.
My hope is guys they drafted actually play (Greedy, Ward, Delpit) and they draft some LBs that can make an impact.
Sub par LB play might be killing us more than the 3rd & 4th string secondary.
Think about it- 9-4 with a leaky D. Couldn't fix the whole roster in one off season, but so much closer to contending.
Sub par LB play might be killing us more than the 3rd & 4th string secondary.
I don't remember having heard the name Mack Wilson announced last night in the whole game. At least Takitaki did some tackles for loss IIRC.
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