Is time bringing OBJ question more into focus?
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Nobody is considering the public statements of Baker -- they were just figuring out Stef's new system when OBJ's injury happened. First couple wks of this season were like the preseason as far as installing it.
First couple wks of this season were like the preseason as far as installing it.
I'd go up to at least four games. Even with a normal pre-season Belichick considers the first four weeks of the regular season to be a trial period. Of course, what does he know?
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I'm not gonna say the refs were biased but they might have gotten them from group homes in this weird covid season.
I mean stefanski had to throw a challenge flag to get them to acknowledge when the ravens had 15 defenders on the field.
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I'm not gonna say the refs were biased but they might have gotten them from group homes in this weird covid season.
I mean stefanski had to throw a challenge flag to get them to acknowledge when the ravens had 15 defenders on the field.
I'm not gonna say the refs were biased but they might have gotten them from group homes in this weird covid season.
I mean stefanski had to throw a challenge flag to get them to acknowledge when the ravens had 15 defenders on the field.
I thought it was 14 but who's counting...... not the refs.
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Time does bring the OBJ question into focus.
We really needed him last night -- nobody else was able to consistently beat tight man coverage. OBJ is that good, whether anyone likes to admit it or not. And he'd have turned many of those drops into catches.
Put him on the Browns last night and it's a W.
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Time does bring the OBJ question into focus.
We really needed him last night -- nobody else was able to consistently beat tight man coverage. OBJ is that good, whether anyone likes to admit it or not. And he'd have turned many of those drops into catches.
Put him on the Browns last night and it's a W.
Time does bring the OBJ question into focus.
We really needed him last night -- nobody else was able to consistently beat tight man coverage. OBJ is that good, whether anyone likes to admit it or not. And he'd have turned many of those drops into catches.
Put him on the Browns last night and it's a W.
Yea, because 42 points is just not enough to win with our shitty defense.
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I overall agree with the article. That’s not a dig on OBJ. Je is without a doubt an elite talent. It’s a dig on Baker who can’t view OBJ as just another target. He forces the ball to him and it causes issues.
I overall agree with the article. That’s not a dig on OBJ. Je is without a doubt an elite talent. It’s a dig on Baker who can’t view OBJ as just another target. He forces the ball to him and it causes issues.
I think a bigger issue was simply Baker adapting to the Stefanski system than "worrying about OBJ". I wish we had him back in there now that Baker seems to be so much better inculcated with the system. I believe with him it would hum right along.
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I overall agree with the article. That’s not a dig on OBJ. Je is without a doubt an elite talent. It’s a dig on Baker who can’t view OBJ as just another target. He forces the ball to him and it causes issues.
I think a bigger issue was simply Baker adapting to the Stefanski system than "worrying about OBJ". I wish we had him back in there now that Baker seems to be so much better inculcated with the system. I believe with him it would hum right along.
I think a bigger issue was simply Baker adapting to the Stefanski system than "worrying about OBJ". I wish we had him back in there now that Baker seems to be so much better inculcated with the system. I believe with him it would hum right along.
Baker "hummed along" without OBJ his rookie season, when he broke the rookie record for touchdown passes.
He then regressed from that last season with OBJ on the team, and was pretty mediocre this season with him.
Then he immediately has the game of his career in the game OBJ has a season-ending injury.
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I overall agree with the article. That’s not a dig on OBJ. Je is without a doubt an elite talent. It’s a dig on Baker who can’t view OBJ as just another target. He forces the ball to him and it causes issues.
I think a bigger issue was simply Baker adapting to the Stefanski system than "worrying about OBJ". I wish we had him back in there now that Baker seems to be so much better inculcated with the system. I believe with him it would hum right along.
I think a bigger issue was simply Baker adapting to the Stefanski system than "worrying about OBJ". I wish we had him back in there now that Baker seems to be so much better inculcated with the system. I believe with him it would hum right along.
I totally agree. I think we'd have a deadly deep threat that with OBJ. I really do.
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I think a bigger issue was simply Baker adapting to the Stefanski system than "worrying about OBJ". I wish we had him back in there now that Baker seems to be so much better inculcated with the system. I believe with him it would hum right along.
Baker "hummed along" without OBJ his rookie season, when he broke the rookie record for touchdown passes.
He then regressed from that last season with OBJ on the team, and was pretty mediocre this season with him.
Then he immediately has the game of his career in the game OBJ has a season-ending injury.
Baker "hummed along" without OBJ his rookie season, when he broke the rookie record for touchdown passes.
He then regressed from that last season with OBJ on the team, Freddie Kitchens and was pretty mediocre this season with him. Tough defenses early on in the schedule
Then he immediately has the game of his career in the game OBJ has a season-ending injury. Bengals defense
Perhaps there's a chemistry problem with Baker when OBJ is on the field. Or, perhaps he knows how good OBJ is and figures, if all else fails, force it towards OBJ and he might make a great catch for you. And as long as he's putting the ball where it shouldn't be intercepted, then it's better than taking a sack or throwing it into the stands. As I recall, I felt he tried to force it too much to Landry in his rookie year....but that would stand to reason if he was your best 'great catch' type of guy.
I just can't (almost refuse) to believe that we're a better team with lesser talent. (so long as that talent isn't a dick...and OBJ just seems like one, but isn't, according to any player he has played with)
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Baker "hummed along" without OBJ his rookie season, when he broke the rookie record for touchdown passes.
He then regressed from that last season with OBJ on the team, Freddie Kitchens and was pretty mediocre this season with him. Tough defenses early on in the schedule
Then he immediately has the game of his career in the game OBJ has a season-ending injury. Bengals defense
Perhaps there's a chemistry problem with Baker when OBJ is on the field. Or, perhaps he knows how good OBJ is and figures, if all else fails, force it towards OBJ and he might make a great catch for you. And as long as he's putting the ball where it shouldn't be intercepted, then it's better than taking a sack or throwing it into the stands. As I recall, I felt he tried to force it too much to Landry in his rookie year....but that would stand to reason if he was your best 'great catch' type of guy.
I just can't (almost refuse) to believe that we're a better team with lesser talent. (so long as that talent isn't a dick...and OBJ just seems like one, but isn't, according to any player he has played with)
I just can't (almost refuse) to believe that we're a better team with lesser talent. (so long as that talent isn't a dick...and OBJ just seems like one, but isn't, according to any player he has played with)
I get it, it doesn't make sense.
But man, the numbers seem to say it could very well be true.
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I think a bigger issue was simply Baker adapting to the Stefanski system than "worrying about OBJ". I wish we had him back in there now that Baker seems to be so much better inculcated with the system. I believe with him it would hum right along.
Baker "hummed along" without OBJ his rookie season, when he broke the rookie record for touchdown passes.
He then regressed from that last season with OBJ on the team, and was pretty mediocre this season with him.
Then he immediately has the game of his career in the game OBJ has a season-ending injury.
Baker "hummed along" without OBJ his rookie season, when he broke the rookie record for touchdown passes.
He then regressed from that last season with OBJ on the team, and was pretty mediocre this season with him.
Then he immediately has the game of his career in the game OBJ has a season-ending injury.
What? Have you become Ice Cube? You forget that last year there was the Fat Freddy factor.
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I just can't (almost refuse) to believe that we're a better team with lesser talent. (so long as that talent isn't a dick...and OBJ just seems like one, but isn't, according to any player he has played with)
I get it, it doesn't make sense.
But man, the numbers seem to say it could very well be true.
I get it, it doesn't make sense.
But man, the numbers seem to say it could very well be true.
Don't bring up numbers, facts and other ridiculous stuff in an emotionally based thread you dumbass.
I like his blonde hair.
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Baker "hummed along" without OBJ his rookie season, when he broke the rookie record for touchdown passes.
He then regressed from that last season with OBJ on the team, and was pretty mediocre this season with him.
Then he immediately has the game of his career in the game OBJ has a season-ending injury.
What? Have you become Ice Cube? You forget that last year there was the Fat Freddy factor.
What? Have you become Ice Cube? You forget that last year there was the Fat Freddy factor.
Or the fact that Baker showed up to his second season fat and unprepared...
Like I've said before, there's definitely shades of grey to all of this. There can be some legit reasons for the difference between his production with and without OBJ.
But there's a big difference.
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I think a bigger issue was simply Baker adapting to the Stefanski system than "worrying about OBJ". I wish we had him back in there now that Baker seems to be so much better inculcated with the system. I believe with him it would hum right along.
I totally agree. I think we'd have a deadly deep threat that with OBJ. I really do.
I totally agree. I think we'd have a deadly deep threat that with OBJ. I really do.
Why does Baker average almost 2 yards an attempt more WITHOUT OBJ this season then?
That includes three horrible weather games you were losing your shit over.
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I totally agree. I think we'd have a deadly deep threat that with OBJ. I really do.
Why does Baker average almost 2 yards an attempt more WITHOUT OBJ this season then?
That includes three horrible weather games you were losing your shit over.
Why does Baker average almost 2 yards an attempt more WITHOUT OBJ this season then?
That includes three horrible weather games you were losing your shit over.
I get it. I really do. The only rebuttal is that Baker is simply more comfortable in the offense, but it's a strong argument. Baker is seeing the field better, trusting his eyes, and making better decisions. I totally get what you're saying, and you could be right, but I just don't think a QB gets better by not having a guy like OBJ.
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What? Have you become Ice Cube? You forget that last year there was the Fat Freddy factor.
Or the fact that Baker showed up to his second season fat and unprepared...
Like I've said before, there's definitely shades of grey to all of this. There can be some legit reasons for the difference between his production with and without OBJ.
But there's a big difference.
Or the fact that Baker showed up to his second season fat and unprepared...
Like I've said before, there's definitely shades of grey to all of this. There can be some legit reasons for the difference between his production with and without OBJ.
But there's a big difference.
The Stefanski factor, to me is by far the more important, impactful factor.
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I think a bigger issue was simply Baker adapting to the Stefanski system than "worrying about OBJ". I wish we had him back in there now that Baker seems to be so much better inculcated with the system. I believe with him it would hum right along.
I totally agree. I think we'd have a deadly deep threat that with OBJ. I really do.
I totally agree. I think we'd have a deadly deep threat that with OBJ. I really do.
The O did nothing with him playing in games, blew up since he's been out.
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I totally agree. I think we'd have a deadly deep threat that with OBJ. I really do.
The O did nothing with him playing in games, blew up since he's been out.
The O did nothing with him playing in games, blew up since he's been out.
Your opinion is not wanted on this subject.
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I totally agree. I think we'd have a deadly deep threat that with OBJ. I really do.
The O did nothing with him playing in games, blew up since he's been out.
The O did nothing with him playing in games, blew up since he's been out.
Yeah those 49 points vs. Dallas really sucked... as did the 32 vs. the Colts... 34 vs. WSH... and 35 vs. Cinci...
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