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The "It's-later-than-you-think" 2021 Mock Draft Thread

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  • @sdbacker80 said:

    I like Desmond Ridder if we are looking towards the middle end of the draft.

    Bigger, athletic and moves in the pocket well and has a pretty good arm. 

    which team does he hail from

    @atom said:

    which team does he hail from

    UC Bearcats he seems to be climbing into day 2 though possibly 

  • @tour2ma said:

    Agree... and think Jets will take Lawrence. His greater experience gives him the edge.

    Also agree about UL's Bekton. He has exceeded my projections at LT... but I am still glad they took him and started Wills "slide" to us.

    The Jets have a pick later in the first... likely in the mid-20s... and 1st pick in round 2. IOL class looks to lack elite, Rnd-1 quality, but has solid Rnd 2 value. And there are really promising OT values throughout Days 1 and 2... some of which could slide inside as well. In short they have the picks to fix their OL after going QB.

    They need some offensive firepower too.  Berrios, Crowder, Mims, Lev Bell - not cutting it. 
     

    @sdbacker80 said:

    They need some offensive firepower too.  Berrios, Crowder, Mims, Lev Bell - not cutting it. 
     

    Bell certainly isn't cutting it for them, as he is not on their team anymore

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    They need some offensive firepower too.  Berrios, Crowder, Mims, Lev Bell - not cutting it. 
     

    Bell certainly isn't cutting it for them, as he is not on their team anymore

    @gunz41 said:

    Bell certainly isn't cutting it for them, as he is not on their team anymore

    Glad you understand they are void of weapons 

  • Agree... and think Jets will take Lawrence. His greater experience gives him the edge.

    Also agree about UL's Bekton. He has exceeded my projections at LT... but I am still glad they took him and started Wills "slide" to us.

    The Jets have a pick later in the first... likely in the mid-20s... and 1st pick in round 2. IOL class looks to lack elite, Rnd-1 quality, but has solid Rnd 2 value. And there are really promising OT values throughout Days 1 and 2... some of which could slide inside as well. In short they have the picks to fix their OL after going QB.

    @tour2ma said:

    Agree... and think Jets will take Lawrence. His greater experience gives him the edge.

    The Jets have a pick later in the first... likely in the mid-20s... and 1st pick in round 2. IOL class looks to lack elite, Rnd-1 quality, but has solid Rnd 2 value. And there are really promising OT values throughout Days 1 and 2... some of which could slide inside as well. In short they have the picks to fix their OL after going QB.

    Yes, but will Lawrence take the Jets.   Like I said,  I still think he could just say  "No thank you"  to the Jets organization....and maybe even stay in school another year rather than go there.   Or do something to quash their interest in him. 

    Though, I guess they could sell him on being the "next Joe Namath"...and get him a pair of sunglasses and a full length white  (faux) fur coat.

    Joe Namath, 70, wears fur coat with his championship ring at the Super Bowl  | Daily Mail Online

  • Warmed up the mock machine again. This time went the full 7 rounds, but we don't have a lot of late round picks. I added a couple via modest trade downs.

    Note we are now picking 24th based on our current record. In my OP effort we were picking 17th.

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    • Farley is just there every time. Helps that he's too good to pass up. (Note: Kwitty is now gone well before we pick).
    • Went with a trio of LBs... both Surratt and McGrone are welcome repeats. New addition is UVA's Snowden... he's a bit of a freak at 6'6, 240#, but has coverage skills. Can play DE in a NASCAR now, and if/when adds weight grow into a full-time DE.
    • Pair of Safeties in Wiggins and Deablo. Both have injury history, but can play. Wiggins looks more FS-ish, but Delpit can play in the box. Deablo (great name) is pure SS and a banger.
    • FSU's Wilson would be a frickin' steal at 118.
    • Topped this off with a nod to the O with a good WR in Brown (6'1, 185#, 4.4-ish) and a burner RB in Pooka (5'10, 170#, 4.24 40!). Brown posted this line at UVA in early November: 11 for 240 and 3 TDs.
  • My takes in the first draft sim: 5 Rounds

    24. Trever Moehrig S TCU
    58. Chazz Surratt    LB  NC
    87. Darius Stills  DT   WV
    94. Joe Tryon Edge Wash
    101. Andre Cisco S Syr
    119. Shaka Toney Edge PSU
    152. Kary Vincent,Jr. CB LSU (gotta have one LSU guy every year-a steal at 152)
    Plus Denver's 4th in 2022 in a trade down to Surratt.
     
    Cisco was a steal at 101 if you look at drafttek who had him #29 overall right along with Moehrig at #28.
  • @gunz41 said:

    Bell certainly isn't cutting it for them, as he is not on their team anymore

    Glad you understand they are void of weapons 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Glad you understand they are void of weapons 

    Obviously. Just stating he is no longer on their team because he was cut and is currently on the Chiefs

  • Went back to FanSpeak again using DraftTek's ranking with confirmation of other sources which often had my picks ranked much higher. Obviously it's early for the ranking folks, too, plus they are dealing with cancelled games and even players who have opted out of the season.

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  • Went back to FanSpeak again using DraftTek's ranking with confirmation of other sources which often had my picks ranked much higher. Obviously it's early for the ranking folks, too, plus they are dealing with cancelled games and even players who have opted out of the season.

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    @tour2ma said:

    Went back to FanSpeak again using DraftTek's ranking with confirmation of other sources which often had my picks ranked much higher. Obviously it's early for the ranking folks, too, plus they are dealing with cancelled games and even players who have opted out of the season.

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    Parsons at 24, Stills at 166 and Moehrig at 126? That board is whacked out looney to say the least.?

  • so, tonight, Tulsa plays Cincinnati for the championship. I'm watching for Zaven Collins to stand out...

    I'm really looking to draft him in the first round for the Browns...and my mock draft...talked about him a good bit earlier...

    he won the AAC defensive player of the year award. A first round pick must be a difference maker.

    https://tulsaworld.com/sports/college/tu/tu-football-tus-zaven-collins-is-unanimous-pick-for-aac-defensive-player-of-the-year/article_bcb319ea-3eec-11eb-b404-133c0c857f56.html

    TU football: TU's Zaven Collins is unanimous pick for AAC defensive player of the year award 

  • Going to get a jump on Caleb Farley today because I'm seeing more and more projections to the Browns.  I'm lying in bed enjoying my coffee and dialed up his cuts v ND 2019.    I'm hoping there is some massive improvement over the course of last season into this year.   Either that or he has/had a hip or groin injury.

    Zaven Collins will be on deck.

  • I've said it during the Indiana game, and I'll say it now. 

    Some GM is going to take Justin Fields very high in the upcoming draft, and that GM is going to get fired because of it. 

  • I've said it during the Indiana game, and I'll say it now. 

    Some GM is going to take Justin Fields very high in the upcoming draft, and that GM is going to get fired because of it. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I've said it during the Indiana game, and I'll say it now. 

    Some GM is going to take Justin Fields very high in the upcoming draft, and that GM is going to get fired because of it. 

    You do know that he was operating with a strained thumb yesterday, right?  By all rights he perhaps should not have been in the game.....at least not throwing the ball. 

    If the Jets take  Trevor, the Jags WILL take him, I am pretty sure. 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I've said it during the Indiana game, and I'll say it now. 

    Some GM is going to take Justin Fields very high in the upcoming draft, and that GM is going to get fired because of it. 

    You do know that he was operating with a strained thumb yesterday, right?  By all rights he perhaps should not have been in the game.....at least not throwing the ball. 

    If the Jets take  Trevor, the Jags WILL take him, I am pretty sure. 

    @the-gipper said:

    You do know that he was operating with a strained thumb yesterday, right?  By all rights he perhaps should not have been in the game.....at least not throwing the ball. 

    If the Jets take  Trevor, the Jags WILL take him, I am pretty sure. 

    Seriously, do you even watch Ohio State games?

    One, Fields looked like garbage before the thumb injury. He's made some of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen this season, I mean Brandon Weeden wildly tossing the ball underhand to no one in particular bad decisions. 

    Fields in a pro-style offense is going to be interesting. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    You do know that he was operating with a strained thumb yesterday, right?  By all rights he perhaps should not have been in the game.....at least not throwing the ball. 

    If the Jets take  Trevor, the Jags WILL take him, I am pretty sure. 

    Seriously, do you even watch Ohio State games?

    One, Fields looked like garbage before the thumb injury. He's made some of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen this season, I mean Brandon Weeden wildly tossing the ball underhand to no one in particular bad decisions. 

    Fields in a pro-style offense is going to be interesting. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Seriously, do you even watch Ohio State games?

    One, Fields looked like garbage before the thumb injury. He's made some of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen this season, I mean Brandon Weeden wildly tossing the ball underhand to no one in particular bad decisions. 

    Fields in a pro-style offense is going to be interesting. 

    Yes, I do.  And he looks quite on par with some of the top QBs coming out, particularly the new "mobile" breed.     All I can say is that you must want absolute perfection....which no QB nowhere is going to give you.  

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Seriously, do you even watch Ohio State games?

    One, Fields looked like garbage before the thumb injury. He's made some of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen this season, I mean Brandon Weeden wildly tossing the ball underhand to no one in particular bad decisions. 

    Fields in a pro-style offense is going to be interesting. 

    Yes, I do.  And he looks quite on par with some of the top QBs coming out, particularly the new "mobile" breed.     All I can say is that you must want absolute perfection....which no QB nowhere is going to give you.  

    @the-gipper said:

    Yes, I do.  And he looks quite on par with some of the top QBs coming out, particularly the new "mobile" breed.     All I can say is that you must want absolute perfection....which no QB nowhere is going to give you.  

    He's going to struggle in a pro-style offense - and he's not Lamar Jackson explosive running the ball. 

    And Ohio State is going their doors blown off vs Clemson. It's going to get ugly. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    Yes, I do.  And he looks quite on par with some of the top QBs coming out, particularly the new "mobile" breed.     All I can say is that you must want absolute perfection....which no QB nowhere is going to give you.  

    He's going to struggle in a pro-style offense - and he's not Lamar Jackson explosive running the ball. 

    And Ohio State is going their doors blown off vs Clemson. It's going to get ugly. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    He's going to struggle in a pro-style offense - and he's not Lamar Jackson explosive running the ball. 

    And Ohio State is going their doors blown off vs Clemson. It's going to get ugly. 

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

  • @dutch-oven said:

    He's going to struggle in a pro-style offense - and he's not Lamar Jackson explosive running the ball. 

    And Ohio State is going their doors blown off vs Clemson. It's going to get ugly. 

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

    @the-gipper said:

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

    They'll be lucky to keep it within 14 points this year. 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    He's going to struggle in a pro-style offense - and he's not Lamar Jackson explosive running the ball. 

    And Ohio State is going their doors blown off vs Clemson. It's going to get ugly. 

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

    @the-gipper said:

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

    With a team that included half dozen future NFL picks not currently featured on the 2020 football squad.    Clemson is head and shoulders above the Buckeyes right now barring a miracle turnaround during bowl prep.

    @dutch-oven said:

    They'll be lucky to keep it within 14 points this year. 

    If Trey Sermon plays as a man possessed, they have a shot to keep it respectable and possibly pull it off.  

  • @dutch-oven said:

    He's going to struggle in a pro-style offense - and he's not Lamar Jackson explosive running the ball. 

    And Ohio State is going their doors blown off vs Clemson. It's going to get ugly. 

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

    @the-gipper said:

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

    If the BUCKEYES +6.5 are at full strength and get the run/pass game going they have a good chance to cover and win.

    Now ND +17.5 might get slaughtered lucky to cover.

    Final ALA vs anybody.