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The "It's-later-than-you-think" 2021 Mock Draft Thread

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  • so, tonight, Tulsa plays Cincinnati for the championship. I'm watching for Zaven Collins to stand out...

    I'm really looking to draft him in the first round for the Browns...and my mock draft...talked about him a good bit earlier...

    he won the AAC defensive player of the year award. A first round pick must be a difference maker.

    https://tulsaworld.com/sports/college/tu/tu-football-tus-zaven-collins-is-unanimous-pick-for-aac-defensive-player-of-the-year/article_bcb319ea-3eec-11eb-b404-133c0c857f56.html

    TU football: TU's Zaven Collins is unanimous pick for AAC defensive player of the year award 

  • Going to get a jump on Caleb Farley today because I'm seeing more and more projections to the Browns.  I'm lying in bed enjoying my coffee and dialed up his cuts v ND 2019.    I'm hoping there is some massive improvement over the course of last season into this year.   Either that or he has/had a hip or groin injury.

    Zaven Collins will be on deck.

  • I've said it during the Indiana game, and I'll say it now. 

    Some GM is going to take Justin Fields very high in the upcoming draft, and that GM is going to get fired because of it. 

  • I've said it during the Indiana game, and I'll say it now. 

    Some GM is going to take Justin Fields very high in the upcoming draft, and that GM is going to get fired because of it. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I've said it during the Indiana game, and I'll say it now. 

    Some GM is going to take Justin Fields very high in the upcoming draft, and that GM is going to get fired because of it. 

    You do know that he was operating with a strained thumb yesterday, right?  By all rights he perhaps should not have been in the game.....at least not throwing the ball. 

    If the Jets take  Trevor, the Jags WILL take him, I am pretty sure. 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I've said it during the Indiana game, and I'll say it now. 

    Some GM is going to take Justin Fields very high in the upcoming draft, and that GM is going to get fired because of it. 

    You do know that he was operating with a strained thumb yesterday, right?  By all rights he perhaps should not have been in the game.....at least not throwing the ball. 

    If the Jets take  Trevor, the Jags WILL take him, I am pretty sure. 

    @the-gipper said:

    You do know that he was operating with a strained thumb yesterday, right?  By all rights he perhaps should not have been in the game.....at least not throwing the ball. 

    If the Jets take  Trevor, the Jags WILL take him, I am pretty sure. 

    Seriously, do you even watch Ohio State games?

    One, Fields looked like garbage before the thumb injury. He's made some of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen this season, I mean Brandon Weeden wildly tossing the ball underhand to no one in particular bad decisions. 

    Fields in a pro-style offense is going to be interesting. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    You do know that he was operating with a strained thumb yesterday, right?  By all rights he perhaps should not have been in the game.....at least not throwing the ball. 

    If the Jets take  Trevor, the Jags WILL take him, I am pretty sure. 

    Seriously, do you even watch Ohio State games?

    One, Fields looked like garbage before the thumb injury. He's made some of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen this season, I mean Brandon Weeden wildly tossing the ball underhand to no one in particular bad decisions. 

    Fields in a pro-style offense is going to be interesting. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Seriously, do you even watch Ohio State games?

    One, Fields looked like garbage before the thumb injury. He's made some of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen this season, I mean Brandon Weeden wildly tossing the ball underhand to no one in particular bad decisions. 

    Fields in a pro-style offense is going to be interesting. 

    Yes, I do.  And he looks quite on par with some of the top QBs coming out, particularly the new "mobile" breed.     All I can say is that you must want absolute perfection....which no QB nowhere is going to give you.  

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Seriously, do you even watch Ohio State games?

    One, Fields looked like garbage before the thumb injury. He's made some of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen this season, I mean Brandon Weeden wildly tossing the ball underhand to no one in particular bad decisions. 

    Fields in a pro-style offense is going to be interesting. 

    Yes, I do.  And he looks quite on par with some of the top QBs coming out, particularly the new "mobile" breed.     All I can say is that you must want absolute perfection....which no QB nowhere is going to give you.  

    @the-gipper said:

    Yes, I do.  And he looks quite on par with some of the top QBs coming out, particularly the new "mobile" breed.     All I can say is that you must want absolute perfection....which no QB nowhere is going to give you.  

    He's going to struggle in a pro-style offense - and he's not Lamar Jackson explosive running the ball. 

    And Ohio State is going their doors blown off vs Clemson. It's going to get ugly. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    Yes, I do.  And he looks quite on par with some of the top QBs coming out, particularly the new "mobile" breed.     All I can say is that you must want absolute perfection....which no QB nowhere is going to give you.  

    He's going to struggle in a pro-style offense - and he's not Lamar Jackson explosive running the ball. 

    And Ohio State is going their doors blown off vs Clemson. It's going to get ugly. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    He's going to struggle in a pro-style offense - and he's not Lamar Jackson explosive running the ball. 

    And Ohio State is going their doors blown off vs Clemson. It's going to get ugly. 

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

  • @dutch-oven said:

    He's going to struggle in a pro-style offense - and he's not Lamar Jackson explosive running the ball. 

    And Ohio State is going their doors blown off vs Clemson. It's going to get ugly. 

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

    @the-gipper said:

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

    They'll be lucky to keep it within 14 points this year. 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    He's going to struggle in a pro-style offense - and he's not Lamar Jackson explosive running the ball. 

    And Ohio State is going their doors blown off vs Clemson. It's going to get ugly. 

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

    @the-gipper said:

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

    With a team that included half dozen future NFL picks not currently featured on the 2020 football squad.    Clemson is head and shoulders above the Buckeyes right now barring a miracle turnaround during bowl prep.

    @dutch-oven said:

    They'll be lucky to keep it within 14 points this year. 

    If Trey Sermon plays as a man possessed, they have a shot to keep it respectable and possibly pull it off.  

  • @dutch-oven said:

    He's going to struggle in a pro-style offense - and he's not Lamar Jackson explosive running the ball. 

    And Ohio State is going their doors blown off vs Clemson. It's going to get ugly. 

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

    @the-gipper said:

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

    If the BUCKEYES +6.5 are at full strength and get the run/pass game going they have a good chance to cover and win.

    Now ND +17.5 might get slaughtered lucky to cover.

    Final ALA vs anybody.

  • Re: Caleb Farley...

    Early 2019 film almost reminds me of the early viewings I had on Jalen Ramsey.   I'm not sure which way I feel about it though.   Remember - FSU played Ramsey at S a decent amount and when he would play outside, he would get some safety help thrown his way.   

  • OSU has had ZERO flow to this season.  6 games. Week on...week off.  They may not compete well because of that.  
     

    BUT

    OSU has every bit of talent that Clemson has...

    Fields.  No comment.

    Day 1 or 2 next season Garrett Wilson, day 2 guy Chris Olave,  two years away but on track...Njigba, Fleming.

    Their entire Oline will be drafted when they graduate.  Wyatt Davis could be a first day pick.  Myers is probably a day 2 pick. 

    Trey Sermon early day 3.  

    Jeremy Ruckert. TE day 3.

    Haskell Garrett is making a big move up draft boards. Tommy togiai another mover. The DEs talented all have another year of eligibility.

    P. Werner is getting love as coverage backer. Baron Browning LB early day 3 guy.

    Shaun Wade.  No comment. 
     

    There are more...the season and interruptions and changes with defensive staff have taken a bit of toll on the Bucks...but position for position this one of the most talented rosters in the country. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    Seriously, do you watch Ohio State games?     You know, they did play just last year,  and it took a last minute TD by Clemson to win.  

    With a team that included half dozen future NFL picks not currently featured on the 2020 football squad.    Clemson is head and shoulders above the Buckeyes right now barring a miracle turnaround during bowl prep.

    @dutch-oven said:

    They'll be lucky to keep it within 14 points this year. 

    If Trey Sermon plays as a man possessed, they have a shot to keep it respectable and possibly pull it off.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    With a team that included half dozen future NFL picks not currently featured on the 2020 football squad.    Clemson is head and shoulders above the Buckeyes right now barring a miracle turnaround during bowl prep.

    And how many players from last year's Clemson team went to the NFL?  Probably about the same number as from OSU. 

    If Trey Sermon plays as a man possessed, they have a shot to keep it respectable and possibly pull it off.  

    That, and the defense.  defense has to be stellar.

  • OSU has had ZERO flow to this season.  6 games. Week on...week off.  They may not compete well because of that.  
     

    BUT

    OSU has every bit of talent that Clemson has...

    Fields.  No comment.

    Day 1 or 2 next season Garrett Wilson, day 2 guy Chris Olave,  two years away but on track...Njigba, Fleming.

    Their entire Oline will be drafted when they graduate.  Wyatt Davis could be a first day pick.  Myers is probably a day 2 pick. 

    Trey Sermon early day 3.  

    Jeremy Ruckert. TE day 3.

    Haskell Garrett is making a big move up draft boards. Tommy togiai another mover. The DEs talented all have another year of eligibility.

    P. Werner is getting love as coverage backer. Baron Browning LB early day 3 guy.

    Shaun Wade.  No comment. 
     

    There are more...the season and interruptions and changes with defensive staff have taken a bit of toll on the Bucks...but position for position this one of the most talented rosters in the country. 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    OSU has had ZERO flow to this season.  6 games. Week on...week off.  They may very well not compete well because of that.  
     

    BUT

    OSU has every bit of talent that Clemson has...

    Fields.  No comment.

    Day 1 or 2 next season Garrett Wilson, day 2 guy Chris Olave,  two years away but on track...Njigba, Fleming.

    Their entire Oline will be drafted when they graduate.  Wyatt Davis could be a first day pick.  Myers is probably a day 2 pick. 

    Trey Sermon early day 3.  

    Jeremy Ruckert. TE day 3.

    Haskell Garrett is making a big move up draft boards. Tommy togiai another mover. The DEs talented all have another year of eligibility.

    P. Werner is getting love as coverage backer. Baron Browning LB early day 3 guy.

    Shaun Wade.  No comment. 
     

    There are more...the season and interruptions and changes with defensive staff have taken a bit of toll on the Bucks...but position for position this one of the most talented rosters in the country. 

    Not sure what you mean by the "No comments" re Fields and Wade.

    I have a comment:  each of them could be taken in the Top Ten. 

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    OSU has had ZERO flow to this season.  6 games. Week on...week off.  They may very well not compete well because of that.  
     

    BUT

    OSU has every bit of talent that Clemson has...

    Fields.  No comment.

    Day 1 or 2 next season Garrett Wilson, day 2 guy Chris Olave,  two years away but on track...Njigba, Fleming.

    Their entire Oline will be drafted when they graduate.  Wyatt Davis could be a first day pick.  Myers is probably a day 2 pick. 

    Trey Sermon early day 3.  

    Jeremy Ruckert. TE day 3.

    Haskell Garrett is making a big move up draft boards. Tommy togiai another mover. The DEs talented all have another year of eligibility.

    P. Werner is getting love as coverage backer. Baron Browning LB early day 3 guy.

    Shaun Wade.  No comment. 
     

    There are more...the season and interruptions and changes with defensive staff have taken a bit of toll on the Bucks...but position for position this one of the most talented rosters in the country. 

    Not sure what you mean by the "No comments" re Fields and Wade.

    I have a comment:  each of them could be taken in the Top Ten. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Not sure what you mean by the "No comments" re Fields and Wade.

    I have a comment:  each of them could be taken in the Top Ten. 

    The player and their draft prospects speak for themselves. 
     

  • @the-gipper said:

    Not sure what you mean by the "No comments" re Fields and Wade.

    I have a comment:  each of them could be taken in the Top Ten. 

    The player and their draft prospects speak for themselves. 
     

    @sdbacker80 said:

    The player and their draft prospects speak for themselves. 
     

    Sure

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    OSU has had ZERO flow to this season.  6 games. Week on...week off.  They may very well not compete well because of that.  
     

    BUT

    OSU has every bit of talent that Clemson has...

    Fields.  No comment.

    Day 1 or 2 next season Garrett Wilson, day 2 guy Chris Olave,  two years away but on track...Njigba, Fleming.

    Their entire Oline will be drafted when they graduate.  Wyatt Davis could be a first day pick.  Myers is probably a day 2 pick. 

    Trey Sermon early day 3.  

    Jeremy Ruckert. TE day 3.

    Haskell Garrett is making a big move up draft boards. Tommy togiai another mover. The DEs talented all have another year of eligibility.

    P. Werner is getting love as coverage backer. Baron Browning LB early day 3 guy.

    Shaun Wade.  No comment. 
     

    There are more...the season and interruptions and changes with defensive staff have taken a bit of toll on the Bucks...but position for position this one of the most talented rosters in the country. 

    Not sure what you mean by the "No comments" re Fields and Wade.

    I have a comment:  each of them could be taken in the Top Ten. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Not sure what you mean by the "No comments" re Fields and Wade.

    I have a comment:  each of them could be taken in the Top Ten. 

    Fields nor Wade are going top 10 as of yesterday.

    Point is, the Bucks best offensive weapon last year was Dobbins. And they leaned on him heavily when things got whacky.   Clemson leans on their QB when things go sideways.   As of typing this, the Buckeyes can't say the same.

    One of those players is in the NFL. I'll give you a hint, it isn't either QB.

    Does tOSU have a shot?  Yes.   But they're going to need a heavy dose of Sermon and Teague, Day finally drawing up some designed runs for Fields beyond that split option, and a defense that finally plays a complete game against an offense with a pulse.

    No small task. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    Not sure what you mean by the "No comments" re Fields and Wade.

    I have a comment:  each of them could be taken in the Top Ten. 

    Fields nor Wade are going top 10 as of yesterday.

    Point is, the Bucks best offensive weapon last year was Dobbins. And they leaned on him heavily when things got whacky.   Clemson leans on their QB when things go sideways.   As of typing this, the Buckeyes can't say the same.

    One of those players is in the NFL. I'll give you a hint, it isn't either QB.

    Does tOSU have a shot?  Yes.   But they're going to need a heavy dose of Sermon and Teague, Day finally drawing up some designed runs for Fields beyond that split option, and a defense that finally plays a complete game against an offense with a pulse.

    No small task. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    Fields nor Wade are going top 10 as of yesterday.

    I would suggest that nearly every single  professional draft prognosticator would disagree with you. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Fields nor Wade are going top 10 as of yesterday.

    I would suggest that nearly every single  professional draft prognosticator would disagree with you. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Suggest away, since there's no way to verify.  But chances are I'm right otherwise I tend to shut my mouth.   If JF shows out against Clemson like he did against NU and the draft board slide talk begins - then I'll accept your nod as being better than some professional draft 'prognosticator'.   Keep in mind a good deal of mocks have Fields as high as #2.

    Should be an interesting couple weeks.