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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @sdbacker80 said:

    The player and their draft prospects speak for themselves. 
     

    I was curious to why you put "No Comment" by those two.

    Because both did not come close to playing like the top prospects they were going into the season. 

    In the time I wrote this, Northwestern just got three first downs on Wade by running out routes on him, because he's apparently petrified of getting beat deep and plays 10 yards off receivers. 

    I'm already on record numerous times about how I feel about Fields.

    @dutch-oven said:

    I was curious to why you put "No Comment" by those two.

    Because both did not come close to playing like the top prospects they were going into the season. 

    In the time I wrote this, Northwestern just got three first downs on Wade by running out routes on him, because he's apparently petrified of getting beat deep and plays 10 yards off receivers. 

    I'm already on record numerous times about how I feel about Fields.

    You'll notice the OSU DB play has fallen off when Hafley departed.

    I'm not as bullish on Wade as I am Fields.  Wade is a talented DB that needs a little time.  Top 10?  No.  But when the Browns pick? I don't hate the idea at the moment.  

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  • Yeah I figured Wade was going in the 1st but not Top 10

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @dutch-oven said:

    In the time I wrote this, Northwestern just got three first downs on Wade by running out routes on him, because he's apparently petrified of getting beat deep and plays 10 yards off receivers. 

    DBs set where the called Defense dictates.

    Also... I did not realize the game is still going on.

    @tour2ma said:

    DBs set where the called Defense dictates.

    Also... I did not realize the game is still going on.

    Yeah, that's a joke.

    I'm more and more convinced Gipper has hijacked Tour's account. 

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @tour2ma said:

    DBs set where the called Defense dictates.

    Also... I did not realize the game is still going on.

    Yeah, that's a joke.

    I'm more and more convinced Gipper has hijacked Tour's account. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Yeah, that's a joke.

    Pretty sure I knew that...

    ... which should tell you it's not Gipper.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @the-gipper said:

    Suggest away, since there's no way to verify.  But chances are I'm right otherwise I tend to shut my mouth.   If JF shows out against Clemson like he did against NU and the draft board slide talk begins - then I'll accept your nod as being better than some professional draft 'prognosticator'.   Keep in mind a good deal of mocks have Fields as high as #2.

    Should be an interesting couple weeks.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Suggest away, since there's no way to verify.  But chances are I'm right otherwise I tend to shut my mouth.   If JF shows out against Clemson like he did against NU and the draft board slide talk begins - then I'll accept your nod as being better than some professional draft 'prognosticator'.   Keep in mind a good deal of mocks have Fields as high as #2.

    Should be an interesting couple weeks.

    There certainly is a way to verify if the prognosticators have them ranked in Top 10.  Just read their articles.  As you say, many have him going #2. 

    I am not saying now what teams will do in May, or whatever.  I am saying how people...pros at that job...view them now. 

    tiamat63T 1 Reply
  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @dutch-oven said:

    I was curious to why you put "No Comment" by those two.

    Because both did not come close to playing like the top prospects they were going into the season. 

    In the time I wrote this, Northwestern just got three first downs on Wade by running out routes on him, because he's apparently petrified of getting beat deep and plays 10 yards off receivers. 

    I'm already on record numerous times about how I feel about Fields.

    You'll notice the OSU DB play has fallen off when Hafley departed.

    I'm not as bullish on Wade as I am Fields.  Wade is a talented DB that needs a little time.  Top 10?  No.  But when the Browns pick? I don't hate the idea at the moment.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    You'll notice the OSU DB play has fallen off when Hafley departed.

    I'm not as bullish on Wade as I am Fields.  Wade is a talented DB that needs a little time.  Top 10?  No.  But when the Browns pick? I don't hate the idea at the moment.  

    Hafley was and still is a great coach but there is no Chase Young type disruptor hurrying the clock of a QB.  And Guys like Sevyn Banks and Cam Brown aren’t as athletically gifted as Okudah.  Arnette makes your case for Hafley being missed.  Arnette played himself into a first round pick and I think Hafley had a lot to do with that but it took time and a lot of reps.  This current OSU DB group has not been afforded that same opportunity.

    I tend to agree to on Wade.  He’s no Okaduh that’s for sure.  Not a pure cover guy, he’s not very fluid in that department.  But he’s a great tackler and he’s an instinctive football player. Pretty versatile- he played in the slot last year ventured out this year.   He’s not a No. 1 WR eraser. I think he’s a 15-20 type selection. 
     

  • We need premium draft capital spent on LBs, Interior Dlineman and a DE.  Perhaps even a CB.

    We have a 1,2,3,3,4,4...5 of those 6 picks need investment at these three spots.  We are at point where need trumps all.  

    Im willing to give Delpit a shot (he will essentially be a rookie coming off an Achilles not a good combo from instant contribution) and I’d couple that with an actual starter via free agency. So we roll with Harrison, Delpit and free agent starter. 

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @tiamat63 said:

    Suggest away, since there's no way to verify.  But chances are I'm right otherwise I tend to shut my mouth.   If JF shows out against Clemson like he did against NU and the draft board slide talk begins - then I'll accept your nod as being better than some professional draft 'prognosticator'.   Keep in mind a good deal of mocks have Fields as high as #2.

    Should be an interesting couple weeks.

    There certainly is a way to verify if the prognosticators have them ranked in Top 10.  Just read their articles.  As you say, many have him going #2. 

    I am not saying now what teams will do in May, or whatever.  I am saying how people...pros at that job...view them now. 

    @the-gipper said:

    There certainly is a way to verify if the prognosticators have them ranked in Top 10.  Just read their articles.  As you say, many have him going #2. 

    I am not saying now what teams will do in May, or whatever.  I am saying how people...pros at that job...view them now. 

    Tell you what, you can go ahead and get to work on linking all the articles from these experts since you're the one making the claim.   Make sure those articles are dated on or after the 19th.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
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  • For me what will be interesting is what players actually take advantage of the extra Covid year of eligibility in order to gain a higher draft status in 2022.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @the-gipper said:

    There certainly is a way to verify if the prognosticators have them ranked in Top 10.  Just read their articles.  As you say, many have him going #2. 

    I am not saying now what teams will do in May, or whatever.  I am saying how people...pros at that job...view them now. 

    Tell you what, you can go ahead and get to work on linking all the articles from these experts since you're the one making the claim.   Make sure those articles are dated on or after the 19th.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Tell you what, you can go ahead and get to work on linking all the articles from these experts since you're the one making the claim.   Make sure those articles are dated on or after the 19th.

    From Tankathon:

    1 Trevor Lawrence - QB
    2 Justin Fields - QB
    3 Penei Sewell - OT
    4 Micah Parsons - OLB/ILB
    5 Patrick Surtain II - CB

  • Walter Football:

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    The Gardner Minshew experience was fun, but it's sadly coming to an end. Minshew is a feisty quarterback, but will be relegated to backup duties because he can't throw passes longer than 15 yards.

    Justin Fields made the egregious mistake of committing to a program with a talented, young quarterback in Jake Fromm, so he was blocked from starting. Fields, however, was able to transfer to Ohio State, where he dominated in his first season. He continued his strong play into the shortened 2020 campaign, aside from a sloppy performance against Indiana

  • NFL Mock Draft Site
    Date
    No. 1
    No. 2
    No. 3
    No. 4
    No. 5
    12/17
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    G.Rousseau
    S.Cosmi
    12/17
    T.Lawrence
    Z.Wilson
    J.Chase
    P.Sewell
    J.Fields
    12/16
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    G.Rousseau
    K.Paye
    12/16
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    G.Rousseau
    M.Jones
    12/16
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    M.Parsons
    G.Rousseau
    P.Sewell
    12/16
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    S.Cosmi
    P.Surtain
    12/15
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    K.Pitts
    R.Slater
    12/14
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    P.Surtain
    C.Farley
    12/13
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    J.Chase
    G.Rousseau
    12/13
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    P.Surtain
    M.Parsons
    12/11
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    G.Rousseau
    K.Pitts
    12/11
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    T.Lance
    P.Surtain
    12/11
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    J.Chase
    M.Parsons
    12/10
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    M.Parsons
    Z.Wilson
    12/6
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    G.Rousseau
    R.Walker
    12/2
    S.Howell
    E.Neal
    D.Stingley
    O.Pappoe
    K.Thibodeaux
    12/1
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    P.Surtain
    M.Parsons
    12/1
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    C.Barmore
    G.Rousseau
    P.Sewell
    11/28
    T.Slough
    D.Stingley
    L.Brown
    D.Nixon
    J.Ross
    11/21
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    G.Rousseau
    T.Lance
    P.Sewell
    11/18
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    P.Surtain
    M.Parsons
    11/17
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    T.Lance
    M.Parsons
    11/15
    S.Howell
    K.Slovis
    L.Brown
    D.Stingley
    K.Thibodeaux
    11/11
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    G.Rousseau
    M.Parsons
    T.Lance
    11/10
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    S.Wade
    G.Rousseau
    J.Chase
    11/9
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    M.Parsons
    Z.Wilson
    11/7
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    J.Chase
    P.Surtain
    10/28
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    G.Rousseau
    J.Chase
    P.Sewell
    9/8
    T.Lawrence
    P.Sewell
    J.Fields
    T.Lance
    J.Chase
    9/12
    T.Lawrence
    P.Sewell
    J.Fields
    J.Chase
    M.Parsons
    9/2
    T.Lawrence
    P.Sewell
    J.Chase
    G.Rousseau
    M.Parsons
    8/31
    T.Lawrence
    P.Sewell
    J.Chase
    G.Rousseau
    T.Lance
    8/28
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    G.Rousseau
    J.Chase
    T.Lance
    PFF
    8/19
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    M.Parsons
    T.Lance
    5/14
    C.Stroud
    D.Uiagalelei
    B.Bresee
    D.Sanders
    T.Davis
    5/6
    T.Lawrence
    G.Rousseau
    P.Sewell
    J.Chase
    J.Fields
    5/5
    T.Lance
    K.Thibodeaux
    D.Stingley
    K.Hamilton
    Z.Harrison
    5/3
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    G.Rousseau
    P.Sewell
    J.Chase
    5/1
    T.Lawrence
    P.Sewell
    J.Fields
    J.Chase
    G.Rousseau
    4/30
    P.Sewell
    J.Chase
    T.Lawrence
    G.Rousseau
    J.Ross
    4/29
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    J.Chase
    G.Rousseau
    D.Smith
    4/29
    T.Lawrence
    P.Sewell
    J.Chase
    G.Rousseau
    J.Fields
    4/27
    T.Lawrence
    P.Sewell
    G.Rousseau
    J.Chase
    J.Fields
    4/27
    T.Lawrence
    J.Fields
    P.Sewell
    W.Little
    J.Chase
    4/26
    T.Lawrence
    P.Sewell
    J.Chase
    G.Rousseau
    J.Fields
     
     
     

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  • And I don't have to make sure of shit.

    You prove what you say by linking anything after the 19th that says otherwise.    If there are anything  I guess they are going to say that a sprained thumb is a reason for degrading a person's draft prospect. 

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    And I don't have to make sure of shit.

    You prove what you say by linking anything after the 19th that says otherwise.    If there are anything  I guess they are going to say that a sprained thumb is a reason for degrading a person's draft prospect. 

    @the-gipper said:

    And I don't have to make sure of shit.

    You prove what you say by linking anything after the 19th that says otherwise.    If there are anything  I guess they are going to say that a sprained thumb is a reason for degrading a person's draft prospect. 

    So none of those links are from the end of this regular season then?  Noted.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @the-gipper said:

    And I don't have to make sure of shit.

    You prove what you say by linking anything after the 19th that says otherwise.    If there are anything  I guess they are going to say that a sprained thumb is a reason for degrading a person's draft prospect. 

    So none of those links are from the end of this regular season then?  Noted.

    @tiamat63 said:

    So none of those links are from the end of this regular season then?  Noted.

    They are just a few that I could  find.   These were what were on Tankathon and Walter football as of right here, right now.  And as you can see some of those links in the database were updated as of the 16th or  17th, which is only 4-5  days ago.    You want something since then....you find them. 

  • Kiper:

    Mel Kiper 2021 NFL Draft Big Board: 

    IDECEMBER 17, 2020

    Here are his top 10 prospects: 

    1. Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson

    2. Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon

    3. Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State

    4. DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama

    5. Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU

    6. Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State

    7. Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida

    8. Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama

    9. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, ILB, Notre Dame

    10. Daviyon Nixon, DT, Iowa

    tiamat63T 1 Reply

  • Todd McShay Mock Draft

    4. CAROLINA PANTHERS - JUSTIN FIELDS, QB - OHIO STATE

    tiamat63T 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Kiper:

    Mel Kiper 2021 NFL Draft Big Board: 

    IDECEMBER 17, 2020

    Here are his top 10 prospects: 

    1. Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson

    2. Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon

    3. Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State

    4. DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama

    5. Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU

    6. Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State

    7. Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida

    8. Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama

    9. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, ILB, Notre Dame

    10. Daviyon Nixon, DT, Iowa

    @the-gipper said:

    Kiper:

    Mel Kiper 2021 NFL Draft Big Board: 

    IDECEMBER 17, 2020

    Here are his top 10 prospects: 

    1. Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson

    2. Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon

    3. Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State

    4. DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama

    5. Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU

    6. Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State

    7. Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida

    8. Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama

    9. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, ILB, Notre Dame

    10. Daviyon Nixon, DT, Iowa

    You're purposefully avoiding anything Saturday or after.  And Mel Kiper?  Please.

    He's a link from 11/5/12.  Before the real pro's started their draft evals on Matt Barkley.   The supposed #1 overall pick bestest,evvaaaaaaaaa

     https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1397384-matt-barkley-still-deserves-to-be-the-no-1-overall-pick-in-the-2013-nfl-draft.amp.html

    Fast forward to the end of bowl season and he sunk like the Edmund Fitz.

    You see my point, yes? 

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Todd McShay Mock Draft

    4. CAROLINA PANTHERS - JUSTIN FIELDS, QB - OHIO STATE

    @the-gipper said:

    Todd McShay Mock Draft

    4. CAROLINA PANTHERS - JUSTIN FIELDS, QB - OHIO STATE

    Sorry... Experts only.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @the-gipper said:

    Kiper:

    Mel Kiper 2021 NFL Draft Big Board: 

    IDECEMBER 17, 2020

    Here are his top 10 prospects: 

    1. Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson

    2. Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon

    3. Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State

    4. DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama

    5. Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU

    6. Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State

    7. Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida

    8. Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama

    9. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, ILB, Notre Dame

    10. Daviyon Nixon, DT, Iowa

    You're purposefully avoiding anything Saturday or after.  And Mel Kiper?  Please.

    He's a link from 11/5/12.  Before the real pro's started their draft evals on Matt Barkley.   The supposed #1 overall pick bestest,evvaaaaaaaaa

     https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1397384-matt-barkley-still-deserves-to-be-the-no-1-overall-pick-in-the-2013-nfl-draft.amp.html

    Fast forward to the end of bowl season and he sunk like the Edmund Fitz.

    You see my point, yes? 

    @tiamat63 said:

    You're purposefully avoiding anything Saturday or after.  And Mel Kiper?  Please.

    He's a link from 11/5/12.  Before the real pro's started their draft evals on Matt Barkley.   The supposed #1 overall pick bestest,evvaaaaaaaaa

     https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1397384-matt-barkley-still-deserves-to-be-the-no-1-overall-pick-in-the-2013-nfl-draft.amp.html

    Fast forward to the end of bowl season and he sunk like the Edmund Fitz.

    You see my point, yes? 

    Whatever point you are making is irrelevant.    You are saying that often people taking highly in the draft, particularly QBs don't often work out. 

    So what?  That has fuck all to do with what we are talking about.   We are talking about how Fields is perceived at THIS point.  Not how he will do once he gets to the pros. 

    Lots of "can't miss"  QB prospects missed.   For all we know, Trevor Lawrence could turn out to  be shite or mediocre when gets to the pros. 

    The question is:  how are the professional prognosticators viewing Fields now. 

    tiamat63T 1 Reply
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