Offensive Line
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Any former offensive lineman on this board??? It seems like RB, WR, CB types would have the hardest time with High Ankle sprains. Quick burst positions. But it’s not a fun injury overall for anyone.
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The OL has played well. Beyond expectations. But all of a sudden, with the loss of super-sub Chris Hubbard, and Wyatt Teller missing time, it's a bit thin. Rookie center Nick Harris had to play the whole game at RG when Hubbard went down. Aside from him we had Kendall Lamm.....and a practice squad player.
We need Teller to come back so that we can have the starters in place....and they've gotta stay healthy. Harris has got to be interior super-sub...and Lamm, Tackle super-sub (and goal line WR super-sub).
Our offense thrives as a balanced attack. We have good enough skill position players to attack through the air & ground. It's the OL that opens the holes for the runners and gives receivers time to execute their routes. The OLine is no small reason that we're 10-4. (and credit the FO for finding a way to keep Hubbard here, for bringing in Conklin, Wills and Nick Harris - who did a good job filling the void at RG against a tough NY Giant defensive line...the strength of their team).
The OLine is no small reason that we're 10-4. (and credit the FO for finding a way to keep Hubbard here, for bringing in Conklin, Wills and Nick Harris
Seconded... but don't forget OL Coach extraordinaire, Bill Callahan. Great "get" by Stef...
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Any former offensive lineman on this board??? It seems like RB, WR, CB types would have the hardest time with High Ankle sprains. Quick burst positions. But it’s not a fun injury overall for anyone.
Any former offensive lineman on this board?
Guilty... former OG here.
Last play of the last hard practice before the last gamse Sr. year of HS I was pulling right when I heard "FUMBLE". I stopped and barely had time to look down and see the ball between my feet before a DT dove for it and took out my right ankle.
Not of the high-ankle variety as far as I know, but still messed it up for weeks.
It's no fun doing Sr. tackle on crutches...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Teller will be back for playoffs.. and not until then, high ankle sprains are rough
Any official word?
Any official word?
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harris looked better than hubbard last sunday the only reason hubbard is still on the team is he took a pay cut look for him to be gone next year
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Teller is unofficially out from what I heard, and I wouldn't expect any miracles. It's such a bummer because Teller is literally the straw that stirs the drink. We knew we wouldn't be able to run last game, but we can't expect to pass our way through every game, either. Nick filled in admirably for Hubbs, but he wasn't honestly THAT good, especially in run blocking. I fear we're in for another passing extravaganza.
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Any former offensive lineman on this board?
Guilty... former OG here.
Last play of the last hard practice before the last gamse Sr. year of HS I was pulling right when I heard "FUMBLE". I stopped and barely had time to look down and see the ball between my feet before a DT dove for it and took out my right ankle.
Not of the high-ankle variety as far as I know, but still messed it up for weeks.
It's no fun doing Sr. tackle on crutches...
Guilty... former OG here.
Last play of the last hard practice before the last gamse Sr. year of HS I was pulling right when I heard "FUMBLE". I stopped and barely had time to look down and see the ball between my feet before a DT dove for it and took out my right ankle.
Not of the high-ankle variety as far as I know, but still messed it up for weeks.
It's no fun doing Sr. tackle on crutches...
Did you know Grant Overbaugh?
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
harris looked better than hubbard last sunday the only reason hubbard is still on the team is he took a pay cut look for him to be gone next year
harris looked better than hubbard last sunday the only reason hubbard is still on the team is he took a pay cut look for him to be gone next year
Hubbard has filled in at RT, RG and LT at times this season, and has done well when called on.
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Hubbard has filled in at RT, RG and LT at times this season, and has done well when called on.
he's done o.k Harris as far as i saw played very well and on the cheap Bye bye hubbard unless he takes another pay cut
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Hubbard has filled in at RT, RG and LT at times this season, and has done well when called on.
he's done o.k Harris as far as i saw played very well and on the cheap Bye bye hubbard unless he takes another pay cut
he's done o.k Harris as far as i saw played very well and on the cheap Bye bye hubbard unless he takes another pay cut
Harris can play center and guard, while Hubbard can play tackle and guard.
They aren't competing for the same roster spot.
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Harris can play center and guard, while Hubbard can play tackle and guard.
They aren't competing for the same roster spot.
it will come down to money we can draft a back up next year
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Teller is unofficially out from what I heard, and I wouldn't expect any miracles. It's such a bummer because Teller is literally the straw that stirs the drink. We knew we wouldn't be able to run last game, but we can't expect to pass our way through every game, either. Nick filled in admirably for Hubbs, but he wasn't honestly THAT good, especially in run blocking. I fear we're in for another passing extravaganza.
Teller is unofficially out from what I heard, and I wouldn't expect any miracles. It's such a bummer because Teller is literally the straw that stirs the drink. We knew we wouldn't be able to run last game, but we can't expect to pass our way through every game, either. Nick filled in admirably for Hubbs, but he wasn't honestly THAT good, especially in run blocking. I fear we're in for another passing extravaganza.
from what i saw he played well filling in and we should be fine running his way
side note : how often has he played with the starting line up ? and you are giving him a bad grade for rush blocking ?
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Hubbard was set to make base salaries of $6.15 million in 2020, $6.65 million in 2021 and $7.15 in 2022. Instead, he’s now under contract for two years with a base salary of $2.5 million in 2020, including a $1 million signing bonus, and $1 million guaranteed in 2020.
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harris looked better than hubbard last sunday the only reason hubbard is still on the team is he took a pay cut look for him to be gone next year
the only reason hubbard is still on the team is he took a pay cut
I agree...but will add that they saw value in him because he can play so many OL positions. He's also a good guy. (I know, that and a quarter gets you a phone call)
Next year is next year. We might still need him. And as you pointed out, he's not costing much.
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Any former offensive lineman on this board?
Guilty... former OG here.
Last play of the last hard practice before the last gamse Sr. year of HS I was pulling right when I heard "FUMBLE". I stopped and barely had time to look down and see the ball between my feet before a DT dove for it and took out my right ankle.
Not of the high-ankle variety as far as I know, but still messed it up for weeks.
It's no fun doing Sr. tackle on crutches...
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Guilty... former OG here.
Last play of the last hard practice before the last gamse Sr. year of HS I was pulling right when I heard "FUMBLE". I stopped and barely had time to look down and see the ball between my feet before a DT dove for it and took out my right ankle.
Not of the high-ankle variety as far as I know, but still messed it up for weeks.
It's no fun doing Sr. tackle on crutches...
Did you know Grant Overbaugh?
Did you know Grant Overbaugh?
Not a name I've thought of in a few decades, but sure rings a bell... IIRC correctly he was a year ahead of me, and he and Ken Kubit(sp?) were our starting DTs my Jr. year.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Teller is unofficially out from what I heard, and I wouldn't expect any miracles. It's such a bummer because Teller is literally the straw that stirs the drink. We knew we wouldn't be able to run last game, but we can't expect to pass our way through every game, either. Nick filled in admirably for Hubbs, but he wasn't honestly THAT good, especially in run blocking. I fear we're in for another passing extravaganza.
from what i saw he played well filling in and we should be fine running his way
side note : how often has he played with the starting line up ? and you are giving him a bad grade for rush blocking ?
from what i saw he played well filling in and we should be fine running his way
side note : how often has he played with the starting line up ? and you are giving him a bad grade for rush blocking ?
Bad grade might be a bit harsh. I'm just going by the PFF grades, as well as what I saw. Harris gave up the one sack and wasn't sure of where to go on a couple run blocks. But honestly, for his first action and being a rookie it was pretty damn decent. My main point is that he's not Wyatt Teller. Hardly anyone in the dang LEAGUE can run block as well as Teller so there's going to be a drop-off with anyone else, but especially with a rookie playing out of position.
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from what i saw he played well filling in and we should be fine running his way
side note : how often has he played with the starting line up ? and you are giving him a bad grade for rush blocking ?
Bad grade might be a bit harsh. I'm just going by the PFF grades, as well as what I saw. Harris gave up the one sack and wasn't sure of where to go on a couple run blocks. But honestly, for his first action and being a rookie it was pretty damn decent. My main point is that he's not Wyatt Teller. Hardly anyone in the dang LEAGUE can run block as well as Teller so there's going to be a drop-off with anyone else, but especially with a rookie playing out of position.
Harris gave up the one sack and wasn't sure of where to go on a couple run blocks
No problem. He'll just get coached up while on the job, during the 3 game playoff push, of this whacky 2020 football season. Piece-a-cake.
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Did you know Grant Overbaugh?
Not a name I've thought of in a few decades, but sure rings a bell... IIRC correctly he was a year ahead of me, and he and Ken Kubit(sp?) were our starting DTs my Jr. year.
Not a name I've thought of in a few decades, but sure rings a bell... IIRC correctly he was a year ahead of me, and he and Ken Kubit(sp?) were our starting DTs my Jr. year.
I played baseball against Stan White:
White was born in Dover, Ohio and grew up in Kent, Ohio. White attended Theodore Roosevelt High School. He was the only player in the history of Ohio High School sports to play in the state all-star games for football, basketball, and baseball. He was 1st team All State twice in football, All State in Basketball as a senior averaging 25 points a game, and All State in baseball playing catcher as a senior hitting 0.467 (He pitched a championship game and won 1-0 with 17 strikeouts). Against Ravenna his senior year he scored every way possible: He scored a touchdown and a two point conversion, kicked a field goal and an extra point, and tackled the quarterback in the end zone for a safety. His senior year ten Roosevelt players played both offense and defense, and six of those ended up playing in the NFL. White graduated in 1968.
Since 2006, White has worked as a color analyst for the Baltimore Ravens' radio broadcasts, teaming with Gerry Sandusky, who does the play-by-play, and former Ravens player Qadry Ismail. He also contributes to other programming on Baltimore station WBAL-AM. He previously worked for ESPN, NBC Radio NFL games, and Home Team Sports.
White is a lawyer, graduating magna cum laude from the University of Baltimore School of Law in 1978.[3] He went at night during the season and full-time in the off season, completing his degree in four years. His first job was with Ron Shapiro, noted sports lawyer. His classmates included sports agents Tom Condon and Tony Agnone.
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Not a name I've thought of in a few decades, but sure rings a bell... IIRC correctly he was a year ahead of me, and he and Ken Kubit(sp?) were our starting DTs my Jr. year.
I played baseball against Stan White:
White was born in Dover, Ohio and grew up in Kent, Ohio. White attended Theodore Roosevelt High School. He was the only player in the history of Ohio High School sports to play in the state all-star games for football, basketball, and baseball. He was 1st team All State twice in football, All State in Basketball as a senior averaging 25 points a game, and All State in baseball playing catcher as a senior hitting 0.467 (He pitched a championship game and won 1-0 with 17 strikeouts). Against Ravenna his senior year he scored every way possible: He scored a touchdown and a two point conversion, kicked a field goal and an extra point, and tackled the quarterback in the end zone for a safety. His senior year ten Roosevelt players played both offense and defense, and six of those ended up playing in the NFL. White graduated in 1968.
Since 2006, White has worked as a color analyst for the Baltimore Ravens' radio broadcasts, teaming with Gerry Sandusky, who does the play-by-play, and former Ravens player Qadry Ismail. He also contributes to other programming on Baltimore station WBAL-AM. He previously worked for ESPN, NBC Radio NFL games, and Home Team Sports.
White is a lawyer, graduating magna cum laude from the University of Baltimore School of Law in 1978.[3] He went at night during the season and full-time in the off season, completing his degree in four years. His first job was with Ron Shapiro, noted sports lawyer. His classmates included sports agents Tom Condon and Tony Agnone.
I played baseball against Stan White:
Against Ravenna his senior year he scored every way possible: He scored a touchdown and a two point conversion, kicked a field goal and an extra point, and tackled the quarterback in the end zone for a safety. His senior year ten Roosevelt players played both offense and defense, and six of those ended up playing in the NFL. White graduated in 1968.
You should have beaned him before he did Ravenna dirty like that.... ?
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