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Nick Chubb among 3 Browns named to the Pro Bowl

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @gunz41 said:

    And OL is more based on eye test compared to positions with counting stats.

    Not really...

    For one thing there are stats associated with OL play... mostly in PassPro such as pressures allowed.

    But if a grader knows OL play, then it's easy to determine assignments and once you do that the success... or failure... to carry out that assignments. It's actually a good deal easier than grading WRs where adherence to a route is very subjective... at least it's easier for me.

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    Gunz41G Gunz41 wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    Not really...

    For one thing there are stats associated with OL play... mostly in PassPro such as pressures allowed.

    But if a grader knows OL play, then it's easy to determine assignments and once you do that the success... or failure... to carry out that assignments. It's actually a good deal easier than grading WRs where adherence to a route is very subjective... at least it's easier for me.

    Yes, I realize that. My point being that there aren't as many counting stats. I never said there were no counting stats. 

    Gotta Remember I'm not just some guy who only looks at things through fan eyes, as the same can be said of you. I have done more than enough grading to last a lifetime.

    So my definition of "eye test" is meant much more than just who looks better. 

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      N Neo wrote on last edited by Neo
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      Any one of our O-linemen could have gone. No Bitonio, Tretter, Wills? No Kareem Hunt? Decastro over Teller? 

      What the hell is wrong with these people?

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        Any one of our O-linemen could have gone. No Bitonio, Tretter, Wills? No Kareem Hunt? Decastro over Teller? 

        What the hell is wrong with these people?

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        Gunz41G Gunz41 wrote on last edited by
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        @neo said:

        Any one of our O-linemen could have gone. No Bitonio, Tretter, Wills? No Kareem Hunt? Decastro over Teller? 

        What the hell is wrong with these people?

        Bitonio is one of them.

        Chubb

        Bitonio 

        Garrett 

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          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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          Two Browns that SHOULD have been listed at All-Pro:

          https://www.brownsnation.com/2-browns-players-who-should-have-made-the-pro-bowl/

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            Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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            Baker and Goodson?

            Certainly Baker has the stats, but again have to look at who beat him out... Mahommes, Allen and Watson. Of these maybe you can argue vs. Watson, but he's playing really well on... can even say carrying... a pretty bad team.

            Of course if you'd like to make the case against Allen, then by all means do so. 😉

            Goodson? The two ILBs named were Darius Leonard and Tremaine Edmunds. Stiff competition there...

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              tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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              Jano and Teller are my only arguments.  Right now there are almost half dozen AFC QB's that have had a better year than Baker. 

              As for Goodson? Not quite the "name"... Yet.   But he is showing he could get there.

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                S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
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                I think Conklin has played well this year - maybe even Pro Bowl worthy.

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                  Two Browns that SHOULD have been listed at All-Pro:

                  https://www.brownsnation.com/2-browns-players-who-should-have-made-the-pro-bowl/

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                  FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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                  @calfoxwc said:

                  Two Browns that SHOULD have been listed at All-Pro:

                  https://www.brownsnation.com/2-browns-players-who-should-have-made-the-pro-bowl/

                  All Pro and Pro Bowl aren't always the same thing.  For example, Jack Conklin was named 1st Team All Pro in his rookie year while he was only a Pro Bowl Alternate (meaning he didn't get the fan vote to make the Pro Bowl initially).  Tony Jones (T-Bone) always got screwed in the voting until he played for Denver (not being drafted - didn't help him in the popularity contests/votes). 

                  I think Conklin had a very good season for us and I'm glad that was acknowledged in the post before mine.  Our entire OL played well inclusive of all the next man-up opportunists.   Fun season!

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                    @calfoxwc said:

                    Two Browns that SHOULD have been listed at All-Pro:

                    https://www.brownsnation.com/2-browns-players-who-should-have-made-the-pro-bowl/

                    All Pro and Pro Bowl aren't always the same thing.  For example, Jack Conklin was named 1st Team All Pro in his rookie year while he was only a Pro Bowl Alternate (meaning he didn't get the fan vote to make the Pro Bowl initially).  Tony Jones (T-Bone) always got screwed in the voting until he played for Denver (not being drafted - didn't help him in the popularity contests/votes). 

                    I think Conklin had a very good season for us and I'm glad that was acknowledged in the post before mine.  Our entire OL played well inclusive of all the next man-up opportunists.   Fun season!

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                    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                    @flugel said:

                    All Pro and Pro Bowl aren't always the same thing.  For example, Jack Conklin was named 1st Team All Pro in his rookie year while he was only a Pro Bowl Alternate (meaning he didn't get the fan vote to make the Pro Bowl initially).  Tony Jones (T-Bone) always got screwed in the voting until he played for Denver (not being drafted - didn't help him in the popularity contests/votes). 

                    I think Conklin had a very good season for us and I'm glad that was acknowledged in the post before mine.  Our entire OL played well inclusive of all the next man-up opportunists.   Fun season!

                    2019 ALL Pro team.   I guess there are several "services" that name an All Pro team:

                    Teams[edit]

                    Offense
                    Position First team Second team
                    Quarterback Lamar Jackson, Baltimore (AP, PFWA, SN) Russell Wilson, Seattle (AP-2)
                    Running back Christian McCaffrey, Carolina (AP, PFWA, SN)
                    Derrick Henry, Tennessee (PFWA)
                    Dalvin Cook, Minnesota (SN)                     		Derrick Henry, Tennessee (AP-2)
                    Flex Christian McCaffrey, Carolina (AP) Derrick Henry, Tennessee (AP-2)
                    Tight end George Kittle, San Francisco (AP, PFWA)
                    Travis Kelce, Kansas City (SN)                     		Travis Kelce, Kansas City (AP-2)
                    Wide receiver Michael Thomas, New Orleans (AP, PFWA, SN)
                    DeAndre Hopkins, Houston (AP, SN)
                    Julio Jones, Atlanta (PFWA)                     		Julio Jones, Atlanta (AP-2)
                    Chris Godwin, Tampa Bay (AP-2)
                    Left tackle Ronnie Stanley, Baltimore (AP) David Bakhtiari, Green Bay (AP-2)
                    Left guard Quenton Nelson, Indianapolis (AP) Joel Bitonio, Cleveland (AP-2t)
                    Joe Thuney, New England (AP-2t)
                    Center Jason Kelce, Philadelphia (AP, PFWA, SN) Rodney Hudson, Oakland (AP-2)
                    Right guard Zack Martin, Dallas (AP) Marshal Yanda, Baltimore (AP-2)
                    Right tackle Ryan Ramczyk, New Orleans (AP) Mitchell Schwartz, Kansas City (AP-2)
                    Tackle Laremy Tunsil, Houston (SN)
                    David Bakhtiari, Green Bay (SN)
                    Ryan Ramczyk, New Orleans (PFWA)
                    Ronnie Stanley, Baltimore (PFWA)                     		 
                    Guard Quenton Nelson, Indianapolis (PFWA, SN)
                    Marshal Yanda, Baltimore (PFWA)
                    Zack Martin, Dallas (SN)                     		 
                    Special teams
                    Position First team Second team
                    Kicker Justin Tucker, Baltimore (AP, PFWA, SN) Josh Lambo, Jacksonville (AP-2)
                    Punter Brett Kern, Tennessee (AP, PFWA, SN) Tress Way, Washington (AP-2)
                    Kick returner Cordarrelle Patterson, Chicago (AP, PFWA, SN) Mecole Hardman, Kansas City (AP-2)
                    Punt returner Deonte Harris, New Orleans (AP, PFWA, SN) Diontae Johnson, Pittsburgh (AP-2)
                    Special teams Matthew Slater, New England (AP, PFWA) Cordarrelle Patterson, Chicago (AP-2t)
                    J. T. Gray, New Orleans (AP-2t)
                    		 
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                      Defense
                      Position First team Second team
                      Edge rusher Chandler Jones, Arizona (AP)
                      T. J. Watt, Pittsburgh (AP)
                      Cameron Jordan, New Orleans (PFWA, SN)
                      Joey Bosa, Los Angeles Chargers (SN)

                      Danielle Hunter, Minnesota (PFWA)

                      		Cameron Jordan, New Orleans (AP-2)
                      Shaq Barrett, Tampa Bay (AP-2)
                      Interior lineman Aaron Donald, Los Angeles Rams (AP, PFWA, SN)
                      Cameron Heyward, Pittsburgh (AP, PFWA, SN)                       		Grady Jarrett, Atlanta (AP-2)
                      DeForest Buckner, San Francisco (AP-2)
                      Linebacker Bobby Wagner, Seattle (AP, PFWA, SN)
                      Demario Davis, New Orleans (AP)
                      Eric Kendricks, Minnesota (AP)
                      T. J. Watt, Pittsburgh (PFWA, SN)
                      Chandler Jones, Arizona (PFWA, SN)                       		Darius Leonard, Indianapolis (AP-2)
                      Luke Kuechly, Carolina (AP-2)
                      T. J. Watt, Pittsburgh (AP-2)
                      Cornerback Stephon Gilmore, New England (AP, PFWA, SN)
                      Tre'Davious White, Buffalo (AP, PFWA, SN)                       		Richard Sherman, San Francisco (AP-2)
                      Marcus Peters, Baltimore (AP-2)
                      Safety Jamal Adams, New York Jets (AP, PFWA, SN)
                      Minkah Fitzpatrick, Pittsburgh (AP, PFWA, SN)                       		Justin Simmons, Denver (AP-2)
                      Tyrann Mathieu, Kansas City (AP-2)
                      Defensive back Marlon Humphrey, Baltimore (AP-t)
                      Marcus Peters, Baltimore (AP-t)
                      Tyrann Mathieu, Kansas City (AP-t)
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