Baker Mayfield

nickers

@flugel said:

Me too! Brian Sipe is the only NFL MVP I've seen play QB for the Browns in my lifetime. Sipe was a QB nobody predicted success for especially in a Great Lake climate for the arm talent of a 13th round pick. All he did was throw for over 4000 yards AND win 11 regular season when that was virtually unheard of East of Dan Fouts - especially in Cleveland. Aside from that, he didn't have Jim Brown to hand off to like Frank Ryan had. Here's the guys that caught the ball from Sipe and let me know when you see the superstar receiving numbers of a Jerry Rice, Marshall Faulk/Roger Craig or Rob Gronkowski/Shannon Sharpe.

RBs: Mike Pruitt 63 rec 471 yds 0 TD, Charles White 17 rec 153 yds 1 TD, Greg Pruitt 50 rec 444 yds 5 TD, Cleo Miller 2 rec 8 yds 0 TD, Calvin Hill (33 yrs old) 27 rec 383 yds 6 TD

TE: Ozzie Newsome 51 rec 594 yds 3 TD

WRs: Willis Adams 8 rec 165 yds 0 TD, Reggie Rucker 52 rec 768 yds 4 TD, Dave Logan 51 rec 822 yds 4 TD, Ricky Feacher 10 rec 244 yds 4 TD, McDonald Oden 3 rec 18 yds 0 TD, Keith Wright 3 rec 62 yds 3 TD.

Passing

Player ATT COMP YDS COMP% YDS/ATT TD TD% INT INT% LONG SCK SCK/LOST RATE

Brian Sipe
554 337 4132 60.83 7.5 30 5.42 14 2.53 65 23 217 91.4

I love Brian Sipe... But he only has 'one' playoff appearance.. Kosar has 5 I believe...

The Gipper

@nickers said:

I love Brian Sipe... But he only has 'one' playoff appearance.. Kosar has 5 I believe...

Yes, Brian played in only 1 postseason game. Bernie played in 7 with the Browns....plus another 2 for the Cowboys and one for the Dolphins as a backup I believe.

Flugel

@nickers said:

I love Brian Sipe... But he only has 'one' playoff appearance.. Kosar has 5 I believe...

And I love Bernie Kosar. Now, can we get back to the context of discussion? If so, the ONLY Cleveland QB I've seen earn an NFL MVP honor in my lifetime as a fan was Brian Sipe.

If not, Sipe and Kosar are easily my 2 favorite QBs in my lifetime as a fan of this team. One guy started the Kardiac Kids excitement at the onset of the 80s with all the comeback victories and the other brought it back. They were my golden era; and Bernie did play on more good teams here.

mjp28

@the-gipper said:

Yes, Brian played in only 1 postseason game. Bernie played in 7 with the Browns....plus another 2 for the Cowboys and one for the Dolphins as a backup I believe.

And two things both out of the quarterbacks control cost chances to move on for additional playoff appearances. And who knows what happens after tha it changed the BROWNS history.

But such is team sports with one key leader either Sipe or Kosar.

BaconHound

If Baker is the answer we are in trouble

nickers

@baconhound said:

If Baker is the answer we are in trouble

Just admit it... You hate the man...

TexasAg1969

@baconhound said:

If Baker is the answer we are in trouble

Well he is not the answer on the QB sneak play. He has no idea how to use both fn hands.

Bob806

Baker deserves much credit for the current success of the Browns.

Today wasn't a great day for him, but his attitude/competitiveness is infectious. I've said it before, and I'll say it again....I wanted Josh Allen but glad Mayfield is our QB now.

Today was on the Browns D. Something that can be fixed in the off season.

jiggins7919

Ordinarily I wouldn't put too much emphasis on any one game. Players have good days and bad days, especially qb's. But losing like that on the verge of getting into the playoffs and not being able to beat the worst team in the league is going to haunt him. All he had to do was fall forward and hold the ball. I honestly don't see how it even happened. Additionally, Baker has to play to a team that pressures more than any other and we saw how he handled the pressure against the literal worst defensive team in the nation. Oh yeah, it's the Steelers. We always play well against them.

FALCON7

Back to average at best today...

D Bone

@falcon7 said:

Back to average at best today...

Tough scale to grade on. Take away the little league QB sneak fumble, and Baker did the best he could given the weapons he had.

Point fingers at the defense, it was they who needed to win the game today, and as usual, they were the achilles heal of the team.

jiggins7919

@d-bone said:

Tough scale to grade on. Take away the little league QB sneak fumble, and Baker did the best he could given the weapons he had.

Point fingers at the defense, it was they who needed to win the game today, and as usual, they were the achilles heal of the team.

Almost had that TD.

BaconHound

@nickers said:

Just admit it... You hate the man...

Lol. Don’t hate anybody. Baker is a fantastic cheerleader and at times a very good QB. He isn’t consistent and is prone to making poor decisions. I saw this at OU. When the team is firing on all cylinders he is very good. When they aren’t he is terrible.

hoorta

@baconhound said:

Lol. Don’t hate anybody. Baker is a fantastic cheerleader and at times a very good QB. He isn’t consistent and is prone to making poor decisions. I saw this at OU. When the team is firing on all cylinders he is very good. When they aren’t he is terrible.

Baker had a terrible game at the worst possible time. It's not all on him, the supporting cast was decimated. Just get Landry on the field, and we may well have won.

calfoxwc

@baconhound said:

Lol. Don’t hate anybody. Baker is a fantastic cheerleader and at times a very good QB. He isn’t consistent and is prone to making poor decisions. I saw this at OU. When the team is firing on all cylinders he is very good. When they aren’t he is terrible.

The offensive line is the engine that runs the car. and vs the jets, the car had bad tires on the front of the car.....(wr's) , two cylinders misfiring and backfiring -

of course the steering wheel and gas pedal aren't going to win the race and be excellent. The offensive line was overrun. The Jets have more roughing the passer penalites than any team in the NFL? I think that was what they said. He couldn't have confidence in his oline - well, I watched Peyton Manning's oline have a terrible game - Peyton threw three interceptions in one half. If the oline can't block well or great on plays - the plays don't work - doesn't matter who is the qb. Being a great runner helps at times....

I see the Browns winning the last game if they get their players back.

Icecube

@calfoxwc said:

The offensive line is the engine that runs the car. and vs the jets, the car had bad tires on the front of the car.....(wr's) , two cylinders misfiring and backfiring -

of course the steering wheel and gas pedal aren't going to win the race and be excellent. The offensive line was overrun. The Jets have more roughing the passer penalites than any team in the NFL? I think that was what they said. He couldn't have confidence in his oline - well, I watched Peyton Manning's oline have a terrible game - Peyton threw three interceptions in one half. If the oline can't block well or great on plays - the plays don't work - doesn't matter who is the qb. Being a great runner helps at times....

I see the Browns winning the last game if they get their players back.

I see an easy win, I don't think Pitt is even playing most starters, are they?

nickers

@icecube said:

I see an easy win, I don't think Pitt is even playing most starters, are they?

I think they play them to try and get a better seeding I think...

TexasAg1969

@nickers said:

I think they play them to try and get a better seeding I think...

Usually there will be an article or two coming out soon on which teams take a rest in week 17. I think Pitt will be one that has no need to win. We shall see.

BrownsFan4Evr

I love how Baker gets all the blame when our defense couldn't stop my local high school team from scoring!

The Gipper

@texasag1969 said:

Usually there will be an article or two coming out soon on which teams take a rest in week 17. I think Pitt will be one that has no need to win. We shall see.

No. We have gone over this numerous times. They have to win and hope Buff. loses a game so they can get the #2 spot. Plus 2 home playoff games potentially.