STEELER WEEK..... v2.0 ..... and this one is in 2021!

hoorta

@beare said:

didnt buffalo wrap up 2 seed tonight?

Nope. The Bills wrap it up if either: 1) They beat the Dolphins or 2) We beat the Steelers. Buffalo wins any tie because they beat the Steelers head to head.

hoorta

@dutch-oven said:

Starting the last season the Browns actually won a playoff game, 1994, the Browns have a record of 6-39-1 vs the Steelers.

You sound like a fucking delusional idiot screaming at a random tree.

Yeah- the Browns- Steelers used to be a great rivalry a long time ago- if you like living on past glory. It's not going to be a great one again until we (the Browns) start regularly beating the Steelers in games that matter. Like knocking them out of the playoffs, or beating them in a playoff game.

jiggins7919

@dutch-oven said:

Starting the last season the Browns actually won a playoff game, 1994, the Browns have a record of 6-39-1 vs the Steelers.

You sound like a fucking delusional idiot screaming at a random tree.

I literally always expect to get obliterated by the Steelers every time we play against Big Ben. We might have a chance against Mason Rudolph, but I don't like the odds against their starters. Even when the Bengals beat them out was pretty crazy. Finley played out of his mind and was hitting incredible passes in between multiple defenders. It wasn't like the Steelers were terrible or anything.

Could we beat their starters? Yeah, we could. The biggest issue is the pass rush, and Watt LIVES in our backfield. We have a smart coach, our QB is pissed off, and our team is extremely pissed off. We might have what it takes...I just wouldn't bet on it. But damn...I want this one so badly.

SdBacker80

@jiggins7919 said:

I literally always expect to get obliterated by the Steelers every time we play against Big Ben. We might have a chance against Mason Rudolph, but I don't like the odds against their starters. Even when the Bengals beat them out was pretty crazy. Finley played out of his mind and was hitting incredible passes in between multiple defenders. It wasn't like the Steelers were terrible or anything.

Could we beat their starters? Yeah, we could. The biggest issue is the pass rush, and Watt LIVES in our backfield. We have a smart coach, our QB is pissed off, and our team is extremely pissed off. We might have what it takes...I just wouldn't bet on it. But damn...I want this one so badly.

Our biggest issue is WE do nothing to slow the pass rush. We don’t establish the run we don’t run our WRs/TEs right behind the blitz. By now you would think we would have picked up on every disguised blitz they have - but that’s still a work in progress. Couple that with a QB that holds the ball a little longer than he should- it doesn’t work. They have good players but it’s a Fairly easy philosophy- They take away your run and then tee off on your QB.

We need to do two things this offseason and maybe we get a crack at each team again this season. We need to draft a Lamar spy and we need our offensive coaches to scheme against the Steelers 3-4 and their varied blitz packages. We have some elite nerds- have they crunched the numbers??? Which backers do they send? What tendencies do they have on certain downs? Who is dropping more than rushing? They have guys that have been fixtures to in that defense for years- what are their tendencies???

I promised not to criticize our Defense until Sunday.

jiggins7919

@sdbacker80 said:

Our biggest issue is WE do nothing to slow the pass rush. We don’t establish the run we don’t run our WRs/TEs right behind the blitz. By now you would think we would have picked up on every disguised blitz they have - but that’s still a work in progress. Couple that with a QB that holds the ball a little longer than he should- it doesn’t work. They have good players but it’s a Fairly easy philosophy- They take away your run and then tee off on your QB.

When teams sell out to stop the run, it's virtually impossible to run it, especially when we have backups on the OL. You saw what happened against the Jets when we tried to run it. It was ABYSMAL. We couldn't even muster 2 or 3 yards a rush...against the JETS. What do you think will happen against the freakin STEELERS? The pass has to set up the run, but we also can't get down early.

SdBacker80

@jiggins7919 said:

When teams sell out to stop the run, it's virtually impossible to run it, especially when we have backups on the OL. You saw what happened against the Jets when we tried to run it. It was ABYSMAL. We couldn't even muster 2 or 3 yards a rush...against the JETS. What do you think will happen against the freakin STEELERS? The pass has to set up the run, but we also can't get down early.

First, We aren’t going to be down 4 WR Sunday. Because of that situation, we had Jet Corners shading inside keeping it all in the box. Also because of the scenario- We had A gap pressure.

We have to control Nose position better against them too- double and then get to the second level with one of the blockers.

I like Stef...but I think he panics too much but I understand he has no faith in our defense so there’s that to consider but If we are down by three scores or more in the second half its probably time to go Baker Run and Shoot- probably not until that point but With that you play right into the Steelers plan of pass on 1st, 2 and 3...they will get to him on one of those downs.

We have to diagnose their pressure better and when we do we can throw to that vacated area.

jiggins7919

@sdbacker80 said:

First, We aren’t going to be down 4 WR Sunday. Because of that situation, we had Jet Corners shading inside keeping it all in the box. Also because of the scenario- We had A gap pressure.

We have to control Nose position better against them too- double and then get to the second level with one of the blockers.

I like Stef...but I think he panics too much but I understand he has no faith in our defense so there’s that to consider but If we are down by three scores or more in the second half its probably time to go Baker Run and Shoot- probably not until that point but With that you play right into the Steelers plan of pass on 1st, 2 and 3...they will get to him on one of those downs.

We have to diagnose their pressure better and when we do we can throw to that vacated area.

Sounds good. LET'S GOOOOOOOO!

Tour2ma

@sdbacker80 said:

I promised not to criticize our Defense until Sunday.

Congrats... you made it all the way thru Monday!

Tour2ma

Ben is sitting on Sunday...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-ben-roethlisberger-to-rest-vs-browns-mason-rudolph-named-starter-in-regular-season-finale/

The Steelers clinched the AFC North title thanks to a harrowing comeback win over the Indianapolis Colts in Week 16, and Tomlin notes he'll now "airmail" choice players to the playoffs. The impromptu bye week won't extend to everyone, however, but most certainly Roethlisberger -- whom the team wants at full strength for a potential run at the Super Bowl.

"The vast majority of guys that have been playing, will be playing," Tomlin added, per Andrew Siciliano of NFL Network.

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@tour2ma said:

Ben is sitting on Sunday...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-ben-roethlisberger-to-rest-vs-browns-mason-rudolph-named-starter-in-regular-season-finale/

The Steelers clinched the AFC North title thanks to a harrowing comeback win over the Indianapolis Colts in Week 16, and Tomlin notes he'll now "airmail" choice players to the playoffs. The impromptu bye week won't extend to everyone, however, but most certainly Roethlisberger -- whom the team wants at full strength for a potential run at the Super Bowl.

"The vast majority of guys that have been playing, will be playing," Tomlin added, per Andrew Siciliano of NFL Network.

Watch it be Watt, Heyward, Tuitt.

Tour2ma

@sdbacker80 said:

Watch it be Watt, Heyward, Tuitt.

Gotta think so...

Can't afford to see any of them hurt.

Also thinking maybe Mincah...

hoorta · Dec 29, 2020 91 1View on X

@tour2ma said:

Ben is sitting on Sunday...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-ben-roethlisberger-to-rest-vs-browns-mason-rudolph-named-starter-in-regular-season-finale/

But will the Refs allow Garret to even touch Rudolph the Reindeer?

Tour2ma

@hoorta said:

But will the Refs allow Garret to even touch Rudolph the Reindeer?

As long as he only uses his hands...

SdBacker80

@hoorta said:

But will the Refs allow Garret to even touch Rudolph the Reindeer?

We should send Sendejo on blindside blitz mission late hit on Mason maybe spark a fight and see if the Steelers retaliate and lose some important guys for the playoffs- that would be steeler move- provoke a fight and get away free.

Gunz41

@the-gipper said:

So? Do you subscribe to the theory that Ohio State/Michigan is no great rivalry? Or to the "things gotta be even" theory?

What if the Browns win 35 of the next 40 games between them? Will you all claim it is no rivalry just because we were on the winning side?

Here is a freeking clue for you all:

The Browns/Steelers rivalry has NEVER ever never been "Even".......it has ALWAYS been lopsided. It was lopsided in the Browns favor all throughout the 50s and 60s. It was lopsided in the Steelers favor in the 70s. It was lopsided in the Browns favor in the 80s. It has been lopsided in the Steelers favor in the 2000s.....

So, if your claim is that it has to be an evenly matched arrangement for something to be a rivalry....then the Browns and Steeler have NEVER been a rivalry. Just look at the records.

This year, they are both pretty good.....That has been a very, very rare occurrence.

The part you seem to be glossing over (by accident or purpose), is you are arguing history of the rivalry (which is well founded), and those arguing against you are saying recently. By saying that Browns/Steelers is still THE rivalry is only looking at history.

Take out Cincinnati, you can only go from 1996 for Baltimore and Pittsburgh, which certainly has been a better rivalry in that time.

You guys are arguing different points in all honesty.

MDDawg

They've probably figured out that we'll most likely meet the following week, so they're saving their starters which is fine so we can beat them twice in a row.

The Gipper

@hoorta said:

Thank you, and well said. What was a historical rivalry has no bearing on what a majority of a certain team's fans would consider one now. As I sort of mentioned- as a Browns fan, you'd have to be almost Social Security age to remember when the Steelers were considered a big rival. That's disappearing into the mists of time, like the Browns- Giants. Jim Brown against Sam Huff. Ask any 20 year old about that one, and you're going to get a blank stare. That sort of stuff only matters to history geeks- like Gipper.

Were the Canton Bulldogs and Akron Pros big rivals? Who knows, and who cares?

NO, You do NOT have to be Social Security Age as that won't even work. Because like I said...by YOUR definition, that two teams have to be fighting each other for league/division dominance.......as old as you and I are, the Browns/Steelers were NEVER a rivalry, Ever......because they NEVER, ever competed at a high level against each other on a consistent basis. NEVER. In 70 years they maybe were in competition for a division title less times than you can count on one hand.

The Gipper

@hoorta said:

I knew you'd backtrack and try to argue definitions. Believe whatever you want to then, I won't waste any more time arguing minutiae.

By "definitions" you mean "facts". And trust me, as a lawyer and a judge....EVERY argument is about minutiae. But it is that minutiae that mean the difference between winning or losing millions of dollars, or between a very long prison sentence or freedom.

Gunz41

@the-gipper said:

Fair enough.....If you look at my statement, I said that the Browns/Steelers is the longest, most historical, most storied rivalry in this division....which it is. These guys seem to be arguing that JUST because it has not been an even affair of late that a rivalry does not exist. And I say bullshit. They seem to be saying that just because two teams have been competitive of late constitutes a major rivalry.....and I say, No, not necessarily.....but it does constitute major current competitiveness......like the Chiefs and Bills.

This was your 1st comment on it in this thread.

don't see them letting up. I would think they would want to put the nail in our coffin if they could. As much as people may deny it....this is still THE rivalry of the AFCN.

So my statement still stands. When looking at it as historical, then yes Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Which is one POV. When looking at recent/current, then it certainly would be viewed as PITT/BALT (which is another POV). Both of those can be correct.

Just from the few years of reading on here Gipper, you seem to be someone who thinks there can only be one correct answer for something, which in turn causes these disagreements.

But just to further on your example with OSU/Michigan, yes that is certainly still viewed as probably the biggest rivalry in college sports, along with Duke/UNC and Army/Navy, and Auburn/Alabama.

Those 3 aren't changing ever.

But how about these: Nebraska/Oklahoma, Miami/Florida State, Florida/Florida State, Miami/Virginia Tech?

Sure, Nebraska/Oklahoma isn't because of realignment, But Fla/FSU weren't in same conference at its height, and the others ARE in same conference.

And you also are benefit to being invested in Cle/Pitt, whether viewing it as historical or current. But fans of say Dallas/Washington would have viewed that somewhat close, and now it doesn't have the same feel. Besides, college rivalries are much more deep seeded.

And like it or not, some of the luster of the Pittsburgh Cleveland rivalry was taken away when one of them in fact was without a franchise, and some of that hate from the Pittsburgh side transferred with the Browns players to Baltimore.

The Gipper

don't see them letting up. I would think they would want to put the nail in our coffin if they could.

Well......let's do this: Let's perhaps make them regret "letting up" and not putting the nail in the Browns coffin. Let's beat them this week....and if by chance they should meet again in the playoffs, beat their asses again, and let them cry in their beer.