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  • VagitronV Vagitron

    @unsympathetic said:

    When Ben goes, Pouncey goes also - they're a package deal

    No they aren't. Ben isn't done unless the steelers want him to be done. I do think pouncey is and he should be. He's been pretty fucking bad all year and last night was his career in death throws. 

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    @vagitron said:

    No they aren't. Ben isn't done unless the steelers want him to be done. 

    The emotions of last night might say otherwise.  But I've seen that look before on the faces of anyone who looks defeated.  I don't mean that as in a temporary either.  When someone becomes rather disenchanted with what they're doing.

    JuJu has been a distraction but is going to want paid paid and do you think the prospect of catching passes from Mason excites him?   Claypool will be just around the corer before you know it.  Pouncey looked like he was ready to fold last night alone and the right side of the Steelers Oline was...not good.

    Sorry, but if Ben doesn't come back or even worse - comes back half hearted, then you're going to see attrition.

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      The thing with JuJu is that I think that WR room is loaded.

      I wouldn't pay a huge contract when I have Johnson, Claypool and Washington and other more glaring concerns in other corps of the team. I don't know the salary cap situation of the Steelers though. 

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        @vagitron said:

        No they aren't. Ben isn't done unless the steelers want him to be done. 

        The emotions of last night might say otherwise.  But I've seen that look before on the faces of anyone who looks defeated.  I don't mean that as in a temporary either.  When someone becomes rather disenchanted with what they're doing.

        JuJu has been a distraction but is going to want paid paid and do you think the prospect of catching passes from Mason excites him?   Claypool will be just around the corer before you know it.  Pouncey looked like he was ready to fold last night alone and the right side of the Steelers Oline was...not good.

        Sorry, but if Ben doesn't come back or even worse - comes back half hearted, then you're going to see attrition.

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        VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by Vagitron
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        @tiamat63 said:

        The emotions of last night might say otherwise.  But I've seen that look before on the faces of anyone who looks defeated.  I don't mean that as in a temporary either.  When someone becomes rather disenchanted with what they're doing.

        JuJu has been a distraction but is going to want paid paid and do you think the prospect of catching passes from Mason excites him?   Claypool will be just around the corer before you know it.  Pouncey looked like he was ready to fold last night alone and the right side of the Steelers Oline was...not good.

        Sorry, but if Ben doesn't come back or even worse - comes back half hearted, then you're going to see attrition.

        Juju hasn't been a distraction but the media wants to make it that way including the local guys. He leads the room, out works a lot of people. He's never been an distraction and he never will be. Villanueva has been bad most of the year, pouncey the same and I would have said that well before yesterday. You aren't telling me anything the rational segment of our fan base doesn't already know. We also should have started dotson over feiler. Ben was upset last night for obvious reasons but I'm fairly certain pouncey is done hence the added melancholy. 

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          The thing with JuJu is that I think that WR room is loaded.

          I wouldn't pay a huge contract when I have Johnson, Claypool and Washington and other more glaring concerns in other corps of the team. I don't know the salary cap situation of the Steelers though. 

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          @nero said:

          The thing with JuJu is that I think that WR room is loaded.

          I wouldn't pay a huge contract when I have Johnson, Claypool and Washington and other more glaring concerns in other corps of the team. I don't know the salary cap situation of the Steelers though. 

          It's not good, I will still be surprised if he's not resigned. The team will be very different next year tho. I expect pouncey and villanueva to be gone. Dupree is going to price himself out. One of either Hilton or Sutton will likely be gone too. I won't be sad to see pouncey or villanueva gone. 

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          • VagitronV Vagitron

            @nero said:

            The thing with JuJu is that I think that WR room is loaded.

            I wouldn't pay a huge contract when I have Johnson, Claypool and Washington and other more glaring concerns in other corps of the team. I don't know the salary cap situation of the Steelers though. 

            It's not good, I will still be surprised if he's not resigned. The team will be very different next year tho. I expect pouncey and villanueva to be gone. Dupree is going to price himself out. One of either Hilton or Sutton will likely be gone too. I won't be sad to see pouncey or villanueva gone. 

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            @vagitron said:

            It's not good, I will still be surprised if he's not resigned. The team will be very different next year tho. I expect pouncey and villanueva to be gone. Dupree is going to price himself out. One of either Hilton or Sutton will likely be gone too. I won't be sad to see pouncey or villanueva gone. 

            Biggest takeaway is that you can't win exclusively passing. So you have to improve either QB, OL or/and RB. It will be an interestin offseason for Pittsburgh nonetheless. 

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              @vagitron said:

              It's not good, I will still be surprised if he's not resigned. The team will be very different next year tho. I expect pouncey and villanueva to be gone. Dupree is going to price himself out. One of either Hilton or Sutton will likely be gone too. I won't be sad to see pouncey or villanueva gone. 

              Biggest takeaway is that you can't win exclusively passing. So you have to improve either QB, OL or/and RB. It will be an interestin offseason for Pittsburgh nonetheless. 

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              VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by Vagitron
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              @nero said:

              Biggest takeaway is that you can't win exclusively passing. So you have to improve either QB, OL or/and RB. It will be an interestin offseason for Pittsburgh nonetheless. 

              Connor was running the ball just fine, if not well but when you spot a team 28 points what are you supposed to do? I'm not trying to rain on parades with what I'm about to say but a lot of that first 28 was the steelers beating the steelers. Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game and Ben went over 500 yards, no 28 spot? You are probably losing that game. All of which isn't to say the Browns aren't good, that the Browns aren't on their way because they are. 

              But yea a lot of players will be gone. I hope one coordinator is too. 

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              • VagitronV Vagitron

                @nero said:

                Biggest takeaway is that you can't win exclusively passing. So you have to improve either QB, OL or/and RB. It will be an interestin offseason for Pittsburgh nonetheless. 

                Connor was running the ball just fine, if not well but when you spot a team 28 points what are you supposed to do? I'm not trying to rain on parades with what I'm about to say but a lot of that first 28 was the steelers beating the steelers. Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game and Ben went over 500 yards, no 28 spot? You are probably losing that game. All of which isn't to say the Browns aren't good, that the Browns aren't on their way because they are. 

                But yea a lot of players will be gone. I hope one coordinator is too. 

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                @vagitron said:

                Connor was running the ball just fine, if not well but when you spot a team 28 points what are you supposed to do? I'm not trying to rain on parades with what I'm about to say but a lot of that first 28 was the steelers beating the steelers. Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game and Ben went over 500 yards, no 28 spot? You are probably losing that game. All of which isn't to say the Browns aren't good, that the Browns aren't on their way because they are. 

                But yea a lot of players will be gone. I hope one coordinator is too. 

                I wasn't talking about the game in particular, I was talking about the overall stats. Steelers' offense has played pass only for many games this season. 

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                  @nero said:

                  Biggest takeaway is that you can't win exclusively passing. So you have to improve either QB, OL or/and RB. It will be an interestin offseason for Pittsburgh nonetheless. 

                  Connor was running the ball just fine, if not well but when you spot a team 28 points what are you supposed to do? I'm not trying to rain on parades with what I'm about to say but a lot of that first 28 was the steelers beating the steelers. Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game and Ben went over 500 yards, no 28 spot? You are probably losing that game. All of which isn't to say the Browns aren't good, that the Browns aren't on their way because they are. 

                  But yea a lot of players will be gone. I hope one coordinator is too. 

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                  @vagitron said:

                  Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game

                  Umm, that first play was 7 and we clobbered you by 11.... Math. Is. Fun. 

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                    BrownsfaninPaB BrownsfaninPa wrote on last edited by
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                    Yes I agree, hope the family is doing ok, and gets back to full strength asap.

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                      Hello everyone ....not been here in months .....been so busy and wife has been sick and in the hospital ..... just wanted to say GO BROWNS and FUCK THE STEELERS ..... hope to be back posting regular soon ....

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                      @darren15 said:

                      Hello everyone ....not been here in months .....been so busy and wife has been sick and in the hospital ..... just wanted to say GO BROWNS and FUCK THE STEELERS ..... hope to be back posting regular soon ....

                         Oh, my ..hope she is doing better quickly.

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                        @the-cysko-kid said:

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                        Unlike his previous effort....where he tried to plant a flag on Ohio State's turf.....an unsuccessful attempt......this would have worked in the grass of the big Ketchup bottle. 

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                          @neo said:

                          Baker Mayfield is the first new era Cleveland Browns quarterback to not only win a playoff game,  but to never lose to the Steelers in the playoffs. That's nice too.

                          There's like 22 browns quarterbacks in the expansion era that didn't lose to the Steelers in the playoffs

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                          @the-cysko-kid said:

                          There's like 22 browns quarterbacks in the expansion era that didn't lose to the Steelers in the playoffs

                          Well....Kelly Holcomb is not one of those.

                          .....but if you recall that game, no blame could be put on Holcomb.   Northcutt for The Drop.   Butch for going into the Prevent Defense in the middle of the 3rd quarter.

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                            Damn it feels good to be back.

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                            @neo said:

                            Damn it feels good to be back.

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                            I am of the belief that the rivalry never went anywhere,  it is just that the poor Browns management and coaching over 20 years  caused it to go a bit dormant. 

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                              They don’t need Juju and they shouldn’t open the bank for him either. 

                              They need a QB and an offensive line.  We’ve been there before -  good luck to them. 

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                              @sdbacker80 said:

                              They don’t need Juju and they shouldn’t open the bank for him either. 

                              They need a QB and an offensive line.  We’ve been there before -  good luck to them. 

                              JuJu is a good  #2 WR.....but he  had to take on the #1 role since AB left.   Not what he is cut out for.  A good complimentary guy.  They now have others that maybe can take that role. 

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                                @unsympathetic said:

                                When Ben goes, Pouncey goes also - they're a package deal

                                No they aren't. Ben isn't done unless the steelers want him to be done. I do think pouncey is and he should be. He's been pretty fucking bad all year and last night was his career in death throws. 

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                                @vagitron said:

                                No they aren't. Ben isn't done unless the steelers want him to be done. I do think pouncey is and he should be. He's been pretty fucking bad all year and last night was his career in death throws. 

                                I basically agree on BR...the thing is....the Steelers may want him to be done.  Alternatively, they may want him to cut what they owe him in half.   But I don't think Pouncey is done....he just had a bad game...or a couple. 

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                                  @vagitron said:

                                  No they aren't. Ben isn't done unless the steelers want him to be done. I do think pouncey is and he should be. He's been pretty fucking bad all year and last night was his career in death throws. 

                                  I basically agree on BR...the thing is....the Steelers may want him to be done.  Alternatively, they may want him to cut what they owe him in half.   But I don't think Pouncey is done....he just had a bad game...or a couple. 

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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  I basically agree on BR...the thing is....the Steelers may want him to be done.  Alternatively, they may want him to cut what they owe him in half.   But I don't think Pouncey is done....he just had a bad game...or a couple. 

                                  Pouncey is done. He's been "bad" all year.  

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                                    @tiamat63 said:

                                    The emotions of last night might say otherwise.  But I've seen that look before on the faces of anyone who looks defeated.  I don't mean that as in a temporary either.  When someone becomes rather disenchanted with what they're doing.

                                    JuJu has been a distraction but is going to want paid paid and do you think the prospect of catching passes from Mason excites him?   Claypool will be just around the corer before you know it.  Pouncey looked like he was ready to fold last night alone and the right side of the Steelers Oline was...not good.

                                    Sorry, but if Ben doesn't come back or even worse - comes back half hearted, then you're going to see attrition.

                                    Juju hasn't been a distraction but the media wants to make it that way including the local guys. He leads the room, out works a lot of people. He's never been an distraction and he never will be. Villanueva has been bad most of the year, pouncey the same and I would have said that well before yesterday. You aren't telling me anything the rational segment of our fan base doesn't already know. We also should have started dotson over feiler. Ben was upset last night for obvious reasons but I'm fairly certain pouncey is done hence the added melancholy. 

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                                    @vagitron said:

                                    Juju hasn't been a distraction but the media wants to make it that way including the local guys. He leads the room, out works a lot of people. He's never been an distraction and he never will be. Villanueva has been bad most of the year, pouncey the same and I would have said that well before yesterday. You aren't telling me anything the rational segment of our fan base doesn't already know. We also should have started dotson over feiler. Ben was upset last night for obvious reasons but I'm fairly certain pouncey is done hence the added melancholy. 

                                    I don't know if JuJu is a distraction....but he is JAG...   As someone said, yinzers have a couple of better guys.    And I don't know, if Pouncey etc. are as bad as you say, you may have to  mark it down to the loss of Munchak as a reason.  I don't see how all these guys that have been touted as being so good could have deteriorated so quickly otherwise. 

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                                      @nero said:

                                      Biggest takeaway is that you can't win exclusively passing. So you have to improve either QB, OL or/and RB. It will be an interestin offseason for Pittsburgh nonetheless. 

                                      Connor was running the ball just fine, if not well but when you spot a team 28 points what are you supposed to do? I'm not trying to rain on parades with what I'm about to say but a lot of that first 28 was the steelers beating the steelers. Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game and Ben went over 500 yards, no 28 spot? You are probably losing that game. All of which isn't to say the Browns aren't good, that the Browns aren't on their way because they are. 

                                      But yea a lot of players will be gone. I hope one coordinator is too. 

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                                      @vagitron said:

                                      Connor was running the ball just fine, if not well but when you spot a team 28 points what are you supposed to do? I'm not trying to rain on parades with what I'm about to say but a lot of that first 28 was the steelers beating the steelers. Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game and Ben went over 500 yards, no 28 spot? You are probably losing that game. All of which isn't to say the Browns aren't good, that the Browns aren't on their way because they are. 

                                      But yea a lot of players will be gone. I hope one coordinator is too. 

                                      There are 32 teams in the NFL, meaning, likely that there are 32 "Primary" Running backs in the NFL.  At best  Conner is in the mid  3rd quartile of RBs in this league, if not in the 4th quartile. 

                                      As for the Steeler's "comeback"   you can chirp all you want about that.  This isn't the first time the Browns have gotten out to huge leads and allowed a team to crawl back into contention. It happened in Dallas, it happened in Tennessee, it happened in one of the Bengals games.  So don't think that what you did was anything special.  It seems to be a pattern that when the Browns get these huge leads, the DC ends up going soft and allowing the opponent a lot of room. 

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                                        @vagitron said:

                                        Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game

                                        Umm, that first play was 7 and we clobbered you by 11.... Math. Is. Fun. 

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                                        Umm, that first play was 7 and we clobbered you by 11.... Math. Is. Fun. 

                                        Even counting the garbage time TD. 

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                                          @the-gipper said:

                                          I basically agree on BR...the thing is....the Steelers may want him to be done.  Alternatively, they may want him to cut what they owe him in half.   But I don't think Pouncey is done....he just had a bad game...or a couple. 

                                          Pouncey is done. He's been "bad" all year.  

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                                          @vagitron said:

                                          Pouncey is done. He's been "bad" all year.  

                                          OK, if you say so. So, who else is done on that team. 

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