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  • @nero said:

    Biggest takeaway is that you can't win exclusively passing. So you have to improve either QB, OL or/and RB. It will be an interestin offseason for Pittsburgh nonetheless. 

    Connor was running the ball just fine, if not well but when you spot a team 28 points what are you supposed to do? I'm not trying to rain on parades with what I'm about to say but a lot of that first 28 was the steelers beating the steelers. Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game and Ben went over 500 yards, no 28 spot? You are probably losing that game. All of which isn't to say the Browns aren't good, that the Browns aren't on their way because they are. 

    But yea a lot of players will be gone. I hope one coordinator is too. 

    @vagitron said:

    Connor was running the ball just fine, if not well but when you spot a team 28 points what are you supposed to do? I'm not trying to rain on parades with what I'm about to say but a lot of that first 28 was the steelers beating the steelers. Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game and Ben went over 500 yards, no 28 spot? You are probably losing that game. All of which isn't to say the Browns aren't good, that the Browns aren't on their way because they are. 

    But yea a lot of players will be gone. I hope one coordinator is too. 

    I wasn't talking about the game in particular, I was talking about the overall stats. Steelers' offense has played pass only for many games this season. 

  • @nero said:

    Biggest takeaway is that you can't win exclusively passing. So you have to improve either QB, OL or/and RB. It will be an interestin offseason for Pittsburgh nonetheless. 

    Connor was running the ball just fine, if not well but when you spot a team 28 points what are you supposed to do? I'm not trying to rain on parades with what I'm about to say but a lot of that first 28 was the steelers beating the steelers. Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game and Ben went over 500 yards, no 28 spot? You are probably losing that game. All of which isn't to say the Browns aren't good, that the Browns aren't on their way because they are. 

    But yea a lot of players will be gone. I hope one coordinator is too. 

    @vagitron said:

    Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game

    Umm, that first play was 7 and we clobbered you by 11.... Math. Is. Fun. 

  • Yes I agree, hope the family is doing ok, and gets back to full strength asap.

  • Hello everyone ....not been here in months .....been so busy and wife has been sick and in the hospital ..... just wanted to say GO BROWNS and FUCK THE STEELERS ..... hope to be back posting regular soon ....

    @darren15 said:

    Hello everyone ....not been here in months .....been so busy and wife has been sick and in the hospital ..... just wanted to say GO BROWNS and FUCK THE STEELERS ..... hope to be back posting regular soon ....

       Oh, my ..hope she is doing better quickly.

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

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    Unlike his previous effort....where he tried to plant a flag on Ohio State's turf.....an unsuccessful attempt......this would have worked in the grass of the big Ketchup bottle. 

  • @neo said:

    Baker Mayfield is the first new era Cleveland Browns quarterback to not only win a playoff game,  but to never lose to the Steelers in the playoffs. That's nice too.

    There's like 22 browns quarterbacks in the expansion era that didn't lose to the Steelers in the playoffs

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    There's like 22 browns quarterbacks in the expansion era that didn't lose to the Steelers in the playoffs

    Well....Kelly Holcomb is not one of those.

    .....but if you recall that game, no blame could be put on Holcomb.   Northcutt for The Drop.   Butch for going into the Prevent Defense in the middle of the 3rd quarter.

  • N Neo

    Damn it feels good to be back.

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    @neo said:

    Damn it feels good to be back.

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    I am of the belief that the rivalry never went anywhere,  it is just that the poor Browns management and coaching over 20 years  caused it to go a bit dormant. 

  • They don’t need Juju and they shouldn’t open the bank for him either. 

    They need a QB and an offensive line.  We’ve been there before -  good luck to them. 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    They don’t need Juju and they shouldn’t open the bank for him either. 

    They need a QB and an offensive line.  We’ve been there before -  good luck to them. 

    JuJu is a good  #2 WR.....but he  had to take on the #1 role since AB left.   Not what he is cut out for.  A good complimentary guy.  They now have others that maybe can take that role. 

  • @unsympathetic said:

    When Ben goes, Pouncey goes also - they're a package deal

    No they aren't. Ben isn't done unless the steelers want him to be done. I do think pouncey is and he should be. He's been pretty fucking bad all year and last night was his career in death throws. 

    @vagitron said:

    No they aren't. Ben isn't done unless the steelers want him to be done. I do think pouncey is and he should be. He's been pretty fucking bad all year and last night was his career in death throws. 

    I basically agree on BR...the thing is....the Steelers may want him to be done.  Alternatively, they may want him to cut what they owe him in half.   But I don't think Pouncey is done....he just had a bad game...or a couple. 

  • @vagitron said:

    No they aren't. Ben isn't done unless the steelers want him to be done. I do think pouncey is and he should be. He's been pretty fucking bad all year and last night was his career in death throws. 

    I basically agree on BR...the thing is....the Steelers may want him to be done.  Alternatively, they may want him to cut what they owe him in half.   But I don't think Pouncey is done....he just had a bad game...or a couple. 

    @the-gipper said:

    I basically agree on BR...the thing is....the Steelers may want him to be done.  Alternatively, they may want him to cut what they owe him in half.   But I don't think Pouncey is done....he just had a bad game...or a couple. 

    Pouncey is done. He's been "bad" all year.  

  • @tiamat63 said:

    The emotions of last night might say otherwise.  But I've seen that look before on the faces of anyone who looks defeated.  I don't mean that as in a temporary either.  When someone becomes rather disenchanted with what they're doing.

    JuJu has been a distraction but is going to want paid paid and do you think the prospect of catching passes from Mason excites him?   Claypool will be just around the corer before you know it.  Pouncey looked like he was ready to fold last night alone and the right side of the Steelers Oline was...not good.

    Sorry, but if Ben doesn't come back or even worse - comes back half hearted, then you're going to see attrition.

    Juju hasn't been a distraction but the media wants to make it that way including the local guys. He leads the room, out works a lot of people. He's never been an distraction and he never will be. Villanueva has been bad most of the year, pouncey the same and I would have said that well before yesterday. You aren't telling me anything the rational segment of our fan base doesn't already know. We also should have started dotson over feiler. Ben was upset last night for obvious reasons but I'm fairly certain pouncey is done hence the added melancholy. 

    @vagitron said:

    Juju hasn't been a distraction but the media wants to make it that way including the local guys. He leads the room, out works a lot of people. He's never been an distraction and he never will be. Villanueva has been bad most of the year, pouncey the same and I would have said that well before yesterday. You aren't telling me anything the rational segment of our fan base doesn't already know. We also should have started dotson over feiler. Ben was upset last night for obvious reasons but I'm fairly certain pouncey is done hence the added melancholy. 

    I don't know if JuJu is a distraction....but he is JAG...   As someone said, yinzers have a couple of better guys.    And I don't know, if Pouncey etc. are as bad as you say, you may have to  mark it down to the loss of Munchak as a reason.  I don't see how all these guys that have been touted as being so good could have deteriorated so quickly otherwise. 

  • @nero said:

    Biggest takeaway is that you can't win exclusively passing. So you have to improve either QB, OL or/and RB. It will be an interestin offseason for Pittsburgh nonetheless. 

    Connor was running the ball just fine, if not well but when you spot a team 28 points what are you supposed to do? I'm not trying to rain on parades with what I'm about to say but a lot of that first 28 was the steelers beating the steelers. Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game and Ben went over 500 yards, no 28 spot? You are probably losing that game. All of which isn't to say the Browns aren't good, that the Browns aren't on their way because they are. 

    But yea a lot of players will be gone. I hope one coordinator is too. 

    @vagitron said:

    Connor was running the ball just fine, if not well but when you spot a team 28 points what are you supposed to do? I'm not trying to rain on parades with what I'm about to say but a lot of that first 28 was the steelers beating the steelers. Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game and Ben went over 500 yards, no 28 spot? You are probably losing that game. All of which isn't to say the Browns aren't good, that the Browns aren't on their way because they are. 

    But yea a lot of players will be gone. I hope one coordinator is too. 

    There are 32 teams in the NFL, meaning, likely that there are 32 "Primary" Running backs in the NFL.  At best  Conner is in the mid  3rd quartile of RBs in this league, if not in the 4th quartile. 

    As for the Steeler's "comeback"   you can chirp all you want about that.  This isn't the first time the Browns have gotten out to huge leads and allowed a team to crawl back into contention. It happened in Dallas, it happened in Tennessee, it happened in one of the Bengals games.  So don't think that what you did was anything special.  It seems to be a pattern that when the Browns get these huge leads, the DC ends up going soft and allowing the opponent a lot of room. 

  • @vagitron said:

    Fuck the first td was a horrendous high snap by pouncey for a gimme. You guys got outscored the rest of the game

    Umm, that first play was 7 and we clobbered you by 11.... Math. Is. Fun. 

    @d-bone said:

    Umm, that first play was 7 and we clobbered you by 11.... Math. Is. Fun. 

    Even counting the garbage time TD. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    I basically agree on BR...the thing is....the Steelers may want him to be done.  Alternatively, they may want him to cut what they owe him in half.   But I don't think Pouncey is done....he just had a bad game...or a couple. 

    Pouncey is done. He's been "bad" all year.  

    @vagitron said:

    Pouncey is done. He's been "bad" all year.  

    OK, if you say so. So, who else is done on that team. 

  • Its a long rivalry, and yes this battle has been back and forth over the decades, but there is a few moments when the Browns did demolish the Steelers at their house.

    1.  1989 week 1, Browns at Steelers - 51-0

    2 2003 Sunday Night Football, pre-game chatter, Steelers Joey Porter talking smack, saying after the game when you get on that highway to go home, your going home loser's, well joey that didn't happen, Browns beat them 33-13.

    3. 2020 week 17 Browns win game and enter the Playoffs

    4. 2021 Wildcard - Browns devastate the Steelers at their house, sending their season to an end.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    The emotions of last night might say otherwise.  But I've seen that look before on the faces of anyone who looks defeated.  I don't mean that as in a temporary either.  When someone becomes rather disenchanted with what they're doing.

    JuJu has been a distraction but is going to want paid paid and do you think the prospect of catching passes from Mason excites him?   Claypool will be just around the corer before you know it.  Pouncey looked like he was ready to fold last night alone and the right side of the Steelers Oline was...not good.

    Sorry, but if Ben doesn't come back or even worse - comes back half hearted, then you're going to see attrition.

    Juju hasn't been a distraction but the media wants to make it that way including the local guys. He leads the room, out works a lot of people. He's never been an distraction and he never will be. Villanueva has been bad most of the year, pouncey the same and I would have said that well before yesterday. You aren't telling me anything the rational segment of our fan base doesn't already know. We also should have started dotson over feiler. Ben was upset last night for obvious reasons but I'm fairly certain pouncey is done hence the added melancholy. 

    @vagitron said:

    Juju hasn't been a distraction but the media wants to make it that way including the local guys. He leads the room, out works a lot of people. He's never been an distraction and he never will be. Villanueva has been bad most of the year, pouncey the same and I would have said that well before yesterday. You aren't telling me anything the rational segment of our fan base doesn't already know. We also should have started dotson over feiler. Ben was upset last night for obvious reasons but I'm fairly certain pouncey is done hence the added melancholy. 

    Dotson and Highsmith were my 3rd and 4th round picks for the Browns.

    Naturally I'm not happy they're in PTG.

  • Nearly every game we played against them prior to 1972. 

    And yes,  a number of us on here can remember them. 

  • @vagitron said:

    Juju hasn't been a distraction but the media wants to make it that way including the local guys. He leads the room, out works a lot of people. He's never been an distraction and he never will be. Villanueva has been bad most of the year, pouncey the same and I would have said that well before yesterday. You aren't telling me anything the rational segment of our fan base doesn't already know. We also should have started dotson over feiler. Ben was upset last night for obvious reasons but I'm fairly certain pouncey is done hence the added melancholy. 

    Dotson and Highsmith were my 3rd and 4th round picks for the Browns.

    Naturally I'm not happy they're in PTG.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Dotson and Highsmith were my 3rd and 4th round picks for the Browns.

    Naturally I'm not happy they're in PTG.

    Well...I assume they are in Pittsburgh because they were not good enough to play for us.  What is wrong with that? 

  • Hard hitting analysis as always.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Hard hitting analysis as always.

    Really..

    BfiPA...

    Nevermind...

    Wait... this...

    Dear BfiPA,

    We have these things called threads to which you can add your "thought(s)" along with everyone else.

    So please... stop running here to create a thread every time a thought makes it halfway across your mind.

  • Woods was trying to keep everything in front of our patchwork DB's.  I mean, he was trying to make them take some time off the clock on their inevitable way to the end zone.

    I actually hold a little hope for Jackson (for next year).  Sure, he's having it rough, but almost anyone in his position would.  I hope we can get him back on the bench for the rest of this season, but I'd like to see him have a training camp with us next year.

    @orion said:

    Woods was trying to keep everything in front of our patchwork DB's.  I mean, he was trying to make them take some time off the clock on their inevitable way to the end zone.

    I actually hold a little hope for Jackson (for next year).  Sure, he's having it rough, but almost anyone in his position would.  I hope we can get him back on the bench for the rest of this season, but I'd like to see him have a training camp with us next year.

     Ben had a quick trigger last night.   He Made the pass rush largely irrelevant But as the lead got bigger he started trying chunk plays.  So you have a secondary struggling you need to disrupt the passer...4 guys after Ben wasn’t getting the job done. This is been the Woods MO all year.  
     

    Id rather send Joseph after the passer than watch him read and cover. He’s a waste in coverage