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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Eric "Sleeping With"  Bienemy  is the primary hot candidate.  

    Robert Saleh.....who may have been runnerup to  Stefanski here last year is another hot guy.

    As is Brian Daboll.....Buffalo OC    (and didn't he do that here, and we hated him?)

    And then the Urban Meyers to JAX  rumors.  

    Who else? 

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    @the-gipper said:

    As is Brian Daboll.....Buffalo OC    (and didn't he do that here, and we hated him?)

    Wasn't he part of the Derek Anderson 10-6 season?

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      So Matt Rhule is out after one season?.. interesting...

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      @nickers said:

      So Matt Rhule is out after one season?.. interesting...

      No, I don't think so.   He is the HC of the Carolina Panthers.   As far as I can tell, they are looking for a GM, not an HC. 

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        @the-gipper said:

        As is Brian Daboll.....Buffalo OC    (and didn't he do that here, and we hated him?)

        Wasn't he part of the Derek Anderson 10-6 season?

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        @neo said:

        Wasn't he part of the Derek Anderson 10-6 season?

        Not sure.  I thought he was here after that. 

        In checking....no, he was here after that.  in 2007 he was with the Jets....in 2009 and 2010 the Browns were  5-11 both years. :

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          @the-gipper said:

          As is Brian Daboll.....Buffalo OC    (and didn't he do that here, and we hated him?)

          Wasn't he part of the Derek Anderson 10-6 season?

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          @neo said:

          Wasn't he part of the Derek Anderson 10-6 season?

          That Chud back in '07...

          Daboll was '09-'10... worked with DA and BQ in '09, and Colt/Seneca/Delhome in 2010.

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            @neo said:

            Wasn't he part of the Derek Anderson 10-6 season?

            That Chud back in '07...

            Daboll was '09-'10... worked with DA and BQ in '09, and Colt/Seneca/Delhome in 2010.

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            @tour2ma said:

            Daboll was '09-'10... worked with DA and BQ in '09, and Colt/Seneca/Delhome in 2010.

             Colt/Seneca/Delhome.....yikes...what a trio that was. 

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              @neo said:

              Wasn't he part of the Derek Anderson 10-6 season?

              That Chud back in '07...

              Daboll was '09-'10... worked with DA and BQ in '09, and Colt/Seneca/Delhome in 2010.

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              @tour2ma said:

              That Chud back in '07...

              Daboll was '09-'10... worked with DA and BQ in '09, and Colt/Seneca/Delhome in 2010.

              Yea I just said that 

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                Amen, brother...

                God... I can still remember hearing we'd signed Delhomme and my 1st  thought, "We couldn't find a vet that was more shot?"

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                  Zombo said:

                  And it was actually better than Kiser /Kessler / Hogan.

                  Thank you, Baker, thank you.

                  Z

                  God what a shit show those 3 were.

                  Whatever happened to that bozo who was in love with Hogan?   Telling us all for weeks that Hogan was the 2nd coming of Aaron Rodgers. 

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                    Zombo said:

                    And it was actually better than Kiser /Kessler / Hogan.

                    Thank you, Baker, thank you.

                    Z

                    God what a shit show those 3 were.

                    Whatever happened to that bozo who was in love with Hogan?   Telling us all for weeks that Hogan was the 2nd coming of Aaron Rodgers. 

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                    @mark-o said:

                    Whatever happened to that bozo who was in love with Hogan?  

                    Pretty sure that was Hue...

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                      @mark-o said:

                      Whatever happened to that bozo who was in love with Hogan?  

                      Pretty sure that was Hue...

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                      @tour2ma said:

                      Pretty sure that was Hue...

                      He is talking about Poetic G.

                      And I don't know what happened to him......he did put like a single post on here  a few days ago.   Perhaps he found a more delusion tolerant forum to participate in. 

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                        Zombo said:

                        And it was actually better than Kiser /Kessler / Hogan.

                        Thank you, Baker, thank you.

                        Z

                        God what a shit show those 3 were.

                        Whatever happened to that bozo who was in love with Hogan?   Telling us all for weeks that Hogan was the 2nd coming of Aaron Rodgers. 

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                        @mark-o said:

                        God what a shit show those 3 were.

                        Whatever happened to that bozo who was in love with Hogan?   Telling us all for weeks that Hogan was the 2nd coming of Aaron Rodgers. 

                        Man, I completely forgot about that...

                        It must have got kicked out of my memory bank by the 25 page Draft Saquon Barkley! thread that will forever be a classic on here. 

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                          Meanwhile...

                          Urban to JAX seems to be heating up.

                          Update... it's a done deal now.

                          https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30711061/jacksonville-jaguars-hiring-urban-meyer-coach

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                          • The GipperT The Gipper

                            Teams with HC openings now:

                            Atlanta

                            Detroit

                            Houston

                            Jacksonville

                            LA Chargers

                            Jets

                            Eagles

                            Teams with GM openings still:

                            Atlanta

                            Carolina

                            Denver

                            Detroit

                            Jacksonville 

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                            @the-gipper said:

                            Teams with HC openings now:

                            Atlanta

                            Detroit

                            Houston

                            Jacksonville   Meyer hired. 

                            LA Chargers

                            Jets

                            Eagles

                            Teams with GM openings still:

                            Atlanta

                            Carolina   See below

                            Denver    See below

                            Detroit   see below

                            Jacksonville 

                            Longtime Vikings assistant general manager and VP of player personnel George Paton has been hired as the new general manager of the Denver Broncos. Paton, who spent the past 14 years with the Vikings, agreed to a six-year deal on Jan. 13.

                            Detroit Lions hire Brad Holmes

                            Los Angeles Rams director of college scouting Brad Holmes has been hired as the new general manager of the Detroit Lions. Holmes, who has served in various roles for the Rams over the past 18 years, agreed to terms on a five-year deal on Jan. 14.

                            Carolina Panthers expected to hire Scott Fitterer

                            Seattle Seahawks VP of football operations Scott Fitterer is expected to be hired by the Carolina Panthers as their next general manager.

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                              Zombo said:

                              And it was actually better than Kiser /Kessler / Hogan.

                              Thank you, Baker, thank you.

                              Z

                              who was that that was the big hogan fan ? 

                              was it poe ?

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                                @the-gipper said:

                                Teams with HC openings now:

                                Atlanta

                                Detroit

                                Houston

                                Jacksonville   Meyer hired. 

                                LA Chargers

                                Jets

                                Eagles

                                Teams with GM openings still:

                                Atlanta

                                Carolina   See below

                                Denver    See below

                                Detroit   see below

                                Jacksonville 

                                Longtime Vikings assistant general manager and VP of player personnel George Paton has been hired as the new general manager of the Denver Broncos. Paton, who spent the past 14 years with the Vikings, agreed to a six-year deal on Jan. 13.

                                Detroit Lions hire Brad Holmes

                                Los Angeles Rams director of college scouting Brad Holmes has been hired as the new general manager of the Detroit Lions. Holmes, who has served in various roles for the Rams over the past 18 years, agreed to terms on a five-year deal on Jan. 14.

                                Carolina Panthers expected to hire Scott Fitterer

                                Seattle Seahawks VP of football operations Scott Fitterer is expected to be hired by the Carolina Panthers as their next general manager.

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                                @the-gipper said:

                                Longtime Vikings assistant general manager and VP of player personnel George Paton has been hired as the new general manager of the Denver Broncos. Paton, who spent the past 14 years with the Vikings, agreed to a six-year deal on Jan. 13.

                                Isn’t that the guy who turned us down last year? 

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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  Longtime Vikings assistant general manager and VP of player personnel George Paton has been hired as the new general manager of the Denver Broncos. Paton, who spent the past 14 years with the Vikings, agreed to a six-year deal on Jan. 13.

                                  Isn’t that the guy who turned us down last year? 

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                                  @ibleedbrown said:

                                  Isn’t that the guy who turned us down last year? 

                                  Good memory... may I borrow it sometime?

                                  https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/george-paton-takes-himself-out-of-running-for-browns-gm-source-says-andrew-berry-the-leading-candidate.html

                                  Not sure Detroit's "progress" is a resume padder.

                                  So far I think we've done OK with our choice... 🙂

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                                    New York Jets hire Robert Saleh

                                    New York Jets announced they hired San Francisco defensive coordinator Robert Saleh on Jan. 14.

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                                      The Eagles just need to Trust The Process:

                                      https://www.yahoo.com/sports/eagles-front-office-exec-built-050455689.html

                                      John Dorsey, the Eagles front office exec who built two playoff teams

                                      Reuben Frank
                                      Thu, January 14, 2021, 9:04 PM
                                      The Eagles front office exec who built two playoff teams originally appeared on NBC Sports Philadelphia

                                      When the Chiefs and Browns meet in the playoffs Sunday, both teams will have the imprint of the same general manager.

                                      Who now works for the Eagles.

                                      John Dorsey, who spent this past year as a consultant in the Eagles’ scouting department, was general manager of the Chiefs from 2013 through 2016 and the Browns from 2017 through 2019.

                                      He delivered both franchises a number of the star players that helped them reach the AFC conference semifinal round. 

                                      And then they both fired him.

                                      Dorsey, 60, spent six years in the 1980s as a linebacker with the Packers before going into scouting under legendary Packers GM Ron Wolf in 1991. 

                                      It was in Green Bay where Dorsey first met Andy Reid, who joined Mike Holmgren’s staff in 1992. Reid and Dorsey were together for seven years until Holmgren and Dorsey left for Seattle in 1999 and Reid became head coach of the Eagles.

                                      Dorsey returned to Green Bay in 2000, but when the Chiefs fired both head coach Romeo Crennel and general manager Scott Pioli after the 2012 season, it opened up the door for Reid and Dorsey to reunite in Kansas City.

                                      Dorsey spent four years as the Chiefs’ general manager, a period where the Chiefs went 43-21 and reached the playoffs three times. 

                                      Although he stocked the Chiefs’ roster with tons of talent, he was fired in the spring of 2017 for reasons that have never been made public and soon hired as GM of the Browns.

                                      Why did the Chiefs fire Dorsey?

                                      “I’m friends with John,” Reid said in a 2018 story in the Canton (Ohio) Repository newspaper before the Browns faced the Chiefs. “I'll leave it at that. Things happen.”

                                      In Cleveland, Dorsey again found a number of players who helped the Browns turn things around under Kevin Stefanski, a one-time Eagles coaching intern at Lehigh. 

                                      And again he was fired.

                                      “John is a great man -- a great family man -- and a really good personnel man,” Stefanski said of Dorsey in an interview this week with the Associated Press. “Just look at both of our teams. A lot of players on this team I recognize are guys John brought in, so I think very highly of him." With Dorsey out of work, Howie Roseman invited him to spend the year as a consultant with the Eagles, scouting college and pro players and adding a new voice to the Eagles’ front office.

                                      “John is a great football mind,” Reid said of Dorsey last year before the Super Bowl. “He knows talent. He brought in a lot of guys who maybe weren’t big names, but he saw something in them and they turned out to be good for us. He’s old-school football. He loves the game. That’s pretty obvious. He’s a gritty guy. I came to appreciate that about him. He would bring you a tough football player. Sometimes that’s a little harder to find these days.”

                                      Although Reid has credited current Chiefs GM Brett Veach - who was also with him in Philly - as the guy who discovered Patrick Mahomes, he was drafted on Dorsey’s watch, and Dorsey was involved at least to some extent.

                                      Here’s a look at the top five players on the Chiefs and Browns that Dorsey drafted:

                                      Chiefs

                                      Pat Mahomes

                                      Tyreek Hill 

                                      Travis Kelce

                                      Eric Fisher

                                      Chris Jones

                                      Browns

                                      Baker Mayfield

                                      Nick Chubb 

                                      Denzel Ward

                                      Chad Thomas

                                      Sheldrick Redwine

                                      “I knew he would bring in some talented football players (in Cleveland), because that’s what he’s really good at,” Reid said. “I thought he could get that place turned around. He brought in a massive amount of talent. He’s done a nice job setting the foundation.”

                                      There were seven GM openings in the NFL this offseason – Texans, Lions, Falcons, Panthers, Jaguars, Broncos and Washington. Four have been filled, and Dorsey has not been mentioned as a candidate for any of the other jobs.

                                      So it doesn’t look like he’s going to get another GM job at this point.

                                      Jeff Lurie was asked Monday about Dorsey and whether he might become a full-time member of the scouting staff here.

                                      Instead of answering specifically about Dorsey, Lurie was vague and spoke of a number of people in the scouting staff, saying, “All the people we have … are very capable people.” 

                                      But considering Dorsey’s track record and considering the Eagles’ recent track record, it seems like a no-brainer for the Eagles to keep Dorsey around.

                                      All you have to do to understand why is watch the Chiefs-Browns game.

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                                        The Eagles just need to Trust The Process:

                                        https://www.yahoo.com/sports/eagles-front-office-exec-built-050455689.html

                                        John Dorsey, the Eagles front office exec who built two playoff teams

                                        Reuben Frank
                                        Thu, January 14, 2021, 9:04 PM
                                        The Eagles front office exec who built two playoff teams originally appeared on NBC Sports Philadelphia

                                        When the Chiefs and Browns meet in the playoffs Sunday, both teams will have the imprint of the same general manager.

                                        Who now works for the Eagles.

                                        John Dorsey, who spent this past year as a consultant in the Eagles’ scouting department, was general manager of the Chiefs from 2013 through 2016 and the Browns from 2017 through 2019.

                                        He delivered both franchises a number of the star players that helped them reach the AFC conference semifinal round. 

                                        And then they both fired him.

                                        Dorsey, 60, spent six years in the 1980s as a linebacker with the Packers before going into scouting under legendary Packers GM Ron Wolf in 1991. 

                                        It was in Green Bay where Dorsey first met Andy Reid, who joined Mike Holmgren’s staff in 1992. Reid and Dorsey were together for seven years until Holmgren and Dorsey left for Seattle in 1999 and Reid became head coach of the Eagles.

                                        Dorsey returned to Green Bay in 2000, but when the Chiefs fired both head coach Romeo Crennel and general manager Scott Pioli after the 2012 season, it opened up the door for Reid and Dorsey to reunite in Kansas City.

                                        Dorsey spent four years as the Chiefs’ general manager, a period where the Chiefs went 43-21 and reached the playoffs three times. 

                                        Although he stocked the Chiefs’ roster with tons of talent, he was fired in the spring of 2017 for reasons that have never been made public and soon hired as GM of the Browns.

                                        Why did the Chiefs fire Dorsey?

                                        “I’m friends with John,” Reid said in a 2018 story in the Canton (Ohio) Repository newspaper before the Browns faced the Chiefs. “I'll leave it at that. Things happen.”

                                        In Cleveland, Dorsey again found a number of players who helped the Browns turn things around under Kevin Stefanski, a one-time Eagles coaching intern at Lehigh. 

                                        And again he was fired.

                                        “John is a great man -- a great family man -- and a really good personnel man,” Stefanski said of Dorsey in an interview this week with the Associated Press. “Just look at both of our teams. A lot of players on this team I recognize are guys John brought in, so I think very highly of him." With Dorsey out of work, Howie Roseman invited him to spend the year as a consultant with the Eagles, scouting college and pro players and adding a new voice to the Eagles’ front office.

                                        “John is a great football mind,” Reid said of Dorsey last year before the Super Bowl. “He knows talent. He brought in a lot of guys who maybe weren’t big names, but he saw something in them and they turned out to be good for us. He’s old-school football. He loves the game. That’s pretty obvious. He’s a gritty guy. I came to appreciate that about him. He would bring you a tough football player. Sometimes that’s a little harder to find these days.”

                                        Although Reid has credited current Chiefs GM Brett Veach - who was also with him in Philly - as the guy who discovered Patrick Mahomes, he was drafted on Dorsey’s watch, and Dorsey was involved at least to some extent.

                                        Here’s a look at the top five players on the Chiefs and Browns that Dorsey drafted:

                                        Chiefs

                                        Pat Mahomes

                                        Tyreek Hill 

                                        Travis Kelce

                                        Eric Fisher

                                        Chris Jones

                                        Browns

                                        Baker Mayfield

                                        Nick Chubb 

                                        Denzel Ward

                                        Chad Thomas

                                        Sheldrick Redwine

                                        “I knew he would bring in some talented football players (in Cleveland), because that’s what he’s really good at,” Reid said. “I thought he could get that place turned around. He brought in a massive amount of talent. He’s done a nice job setting the foundation.”

                                        There were seven GM openings in the NFL this offseason – Texans, Lions, Falcons, Panthers, Jaguars, Broncos and Washington. Four have been filled, and Dorsey has not been mentioned as a candidate for any of the other jobs.

                                        So it doesn’t look like he’s going to get another GM job at this point.

                                        Jeff Lurie was asked Monday about Dorsey and whether he might become a full-time member of the scouting staff here.

                                        Instead of answering specifically about Dorsey, Lurie was vague and spoke of a number of people in the scouting staff, saying, “All the people we have … are very capable people.” 

                                        But considering Dorsey’s track record and considering the Eagles’ recent track record, it seems like a no-brainer for the Eagles to keep Dorsey around.

                                        All you have to do to understand why is watch the Chiefs-Browns game.

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                                        @d-bone said:

                                        Here’s a look at the top five players on the Chiefs and Browns that Dorsey drafted:

                                        Chiefs

                                        Pat Mahomes

                                        Tyreek Hill 

                                        Travis Kelce

                                        Eric Fisher

                                        Chris Jones

                                        Browns

                                        Baker Mayfield

                                        Nick Chubb 

                                        Denzel Ward

                                        Chad Thomas

                                        Sheldrick Redwine

                                        Now that’s some crack research right there Reuben, haha. Chad Thomas isn’t even on anyone’s practice squad right now.

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                                          Houston Texans hire Nick Caserio

                                          Longtime Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio has been hired as the new general manager of the Houston Texans. Caserio was with the Patriots for 20 years, which included six Super Bowl victories and nine appearances.

                                          Of course,  DeShaun Watson is pissed because he wasn't consulted on who the new GM of the DATs would be. 

                                          What I don't understand is why he thinks the team is obligated to consult him?  Sure, he is their primary player, but nothing in any contract anywhere gives him say so over the choice of a position on that team wherein he would have little if any interaction.  Its not like the HC.  Now, I understand that he does have a right to bitch about O'Brien who traded  Hopkins away...but Caserio has been a respected NFL player personnel man for like  4 times longer than Watson has even been in the league. The only thing I can envision is that Watson wanted to demand that the team hire a black man for the job.  Sorry....but Caserio seems to me that he would be one of the Top 5 guys to be considered by any team. 

                                          Here are all the guys that the Texans did interview:

                                          • Matt Bazirgan, Texans director of player personnel -- completed (more)
                                          • Nick Caserio, Patriots director of player personnel -- hired (more)
                                          • Scott Cohen, Ravens director of football research -- requested
                                          • Omar Khan, Steelers VP of football and business administration -- completed
                                          • Trent Kirchner, Seahawks VP of player personnel -- completed (per team)
                                          • Louis Riddick, ESPN analyst and former Eagles director of pro personnel -- completed (more)
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                                          Houston Texans hire Nick Caserio

                                          Longtime Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio has been hired as the new general manager of the Houston Texans. Caserio was with the Patriots for 20 years, which included six Super Bowl victories and nine appearances.

                                          Of course,  DeShaun Watson is pissed because he wasn't consulted on who the new GM of the DATs would be. 

                                          What I don't understand is why he thinks the team is obligated to consult him?  Sure, he is their primary player, but nothing in any contract anywhere gives him say so over the choice of a position on that team wherein he would have little if any interaction.  Its not like the HC.  Now, I understand that he does have a right to bitch about O'Brien who traded  Hopkins away...but Caserio has been a respected NFL player personnel man for like  4 times longer than Watson has even been in the league. The only thing I can envision is that Watson wanted to demand that the team hire a black man for the job.  Sorry....but Caserio seems to me that he would be one of the Top 5 guys to be considered by any team. 

                                          Here are all the guys that the Texans did interview:

                                          • Matt Bazirgan, Texans director of player personnel -- completed (more)
                                          • Nick Caserio, Patriots director of player personnel -- hired (more)
                                          • Scott Cohen, Ravens director of football research -- requested
                                          • Omar Khan, Steelers VP of football and business administration -- completed
                                          • Trent Kirchner, Seahawks VP of player personnel -- completed (per team)
                                          • Louis Riddick, ESPN analyst and former Eagles director of pro personnel -- completed (more)

                                          Sounds like Watson was told he would at least be invited in to listen to the talks/interviews, so it's a breach of faith there.  If that's true, it would definitely be a management error by the Texans.

                                          Regarding Bienemy, he was involved in some controversies (albeit 20+ years ago) at Colorado which might explain some hesitancy in this day & age. Clearly, he has coaching skills and the talent to run it in KC.

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