Browns Free Agent List
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Money Mitch is my priority, IMHO. Sorry, but I've seen some shoddy CB play between the days of Haden and Denzel. Having 2 quality guys on the perimeter means worlds.
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Money Mitch is my priority, IMHO. Sorry, but I've seen some shoddy CB play between the days of Haden and Denzel. Having 2 quality guys on the perimeter means worlds.
Money Mitch is my priority, IMHO. Sorry, but I've seen some shoddy CB play between the days of Haden and Denzel. Having 2 quality guys on the perimeter means worlds.
Yep!! He had a great year. And the best part he was available.I don’t even want to wait around for Greedy to be honest. He’s under contract but I’d assume we don’t have him. Having Ward, Greedy, Mitch I think we are to bound have hopefully 2 of them available any given Sunday.
There are a decent number of starter type quality DB, S hitting free agency this year. With that the case, I don’t think it will take a lot to sign Mitch and I think we drop in free agency and take another as well. -
For proven, Championship teams, it's a big incentive to stay and a recruiting tool to attract UFAs at reduced cost. It helped fuel NE's prolonged run.
We're not there yet... but... some of the talent on our team hitting FA just might be inclined to stay for a little less they they can make elsewhere. They certainly aren't fleeing the dumpster fire that was us just a couple o' three seasons ago.
Plus we have to remember that these FAs have lives. Uprooting a family... kids changing schools... none of these are desirable... and now with the dumpster fire out, they are not necessary.
With NE it started with Brady making pay concessions. If Mayfield signs on at more of bargain - closer to what he’s getting now than some top 5 QB money. We have more room than we anticipate.
But Bill was notorious for letting someone else pay the next contract for his defenders though. We even paid some of those next contracts.
I may start sending offers to guys that will hit 2022 free agency. Chubb and Teller come to mind. Henry did a 4 year 50M contract. Would you sign Chubb for that money? I think that’s fair and probably ideal for both sides. I wouldn’t screw with the run game we have going on right now
Would you sign Chubb for that money?
No...
Love Chubb, but behind our OL I dip back into the draft rather than sign any RB who wants anything north of $10mm... and I'd have trouble with that as well.
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Zombo said:
I'll just address the UFA's:
I'll clean up...
RFAs: Only one I tender is Hodge as I already said I'd look to sign Fabs.... if Callahan lets me.
ERFAs: Gustin... decent player, nice motor, cheap depth.... and maybe Carlson as he showed a lil' somethin' this year.
SFA (Street FA... I had to look it up): spare Safety and FB? Pass and pass...
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The top 7 RB's in the NFL all avg over $12mil a year.
Maybe you can exclude Kamara and Run CmC because of their value as receivers. But the other big names - Henry, Zeke, Mixon, Cook... All $12mil or more.
I love Chubb, maybe front loading the deal and the signing bonus can alleviate some cap issues? But you're not getting him south of $10mil barring a miracle.
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The top 7 RB's in the NFL all avg over $12mil a year.
Maybe you can exclude Kamara and Run CmC because of their value as receivers. But the other big names - Henry, Zeke, Mixon, Cook... All $12mil or more.
I love Chubb, maybe front loading the deal and the signing bonus can alleviate some cap issues? But you're not getting him south of $10mil barring a miracle.
The top 7 RB's in the NFL all avg over $12mil a year.
Maybe you can exclude Kamara and Run CmC because of their value as receivers. But the other big names - Henry, Zeke, Mixon, Cook... All $12mil or more.
I love Chubb, maybe front loading the deal and the signing bonus can alleviate some cap issues? But you're not getting him south of $10mil barring a miracle.
Don't forget David Johnson...
Henry and Cook finished 1-2 in rushing... and their teams are but a 2020 season memory.
Here are the top 25 rushers for 2020: The number who are rookies or still on rookie deals totals? 16 by my count...
I love Chubb, but RB is simply not a place I choose to spend mega-money.
So if it's pay mega or move on... I move on.
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The top 7 RB's in the NFL all avg over $12mil a year.
Maybe you can exclude Kamara and Run CmC because of their value as receivers. But the other big names - Henry, Zeke, Mixon, Cook... All $12mil or more.
I love Chubb, maybe front loading the deal and the signing bonus can alleviate some cap issues? But you're not getting him south of $10mil barring a miracle.
The top 7 RB's in the NFL all avg over $12mil a year.
Maybe you can exclude Kamara and Run CmC because of their value as receivers. But the other big names - Henry, Zeke, Mixon, Cook... All $12mil or more.
I love Chubb, maybe front loading the deal and the signing bonus can alleviate some cap issues? But you're not getting him south of $10mil barring a miracle.
Agree.
I send a message that a top 5 back with a top 5 work ethic and a team player that doesn’t pop up in bad headlines are the kind of players that get paid market value for this team. We find a way.
There are other unpopular moves I’d make before Chubb hits free agency.
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The top 7 RB's in the NFL all avg over $12mil a year.
Maybe you can exclude Kamara and Run CmC because of their value as receivers. But the other big names - Henry, Zeke, Mixon, Cook... All $12mil or more.
I love Chubb, maybe front loading the deal and the signing bonus can alleviate some cap issues? But you're not getting him south of $10mil barring a miracle.
Don't forget David Johnson...
Henry and Cook finished 1-2 in rushing... and their teams are but a 2020 season memory.
Here are the top 25 rushers for 2020: The number who are rookies or still on rookie deals totals? 16 by my count...
I love Chubb, but RB is simply not a place I choose to spend mega-money.
So if it's pay mega or move on... I move on.
Don't forget David Johnson...
Henry and Cook finished 1-2 in rushing... and their teams are but a 2020 season memory.
Here are the top 25 rushers for 2020: The number who are rookies or still on rookie seals totals? 16 by my count...
I love Chubb, but RB is simply not a place I choose to spend mega-money.
So if it's pay mega or move on... I move on.
Chubb is special, he may be the best back we had since #32. Our run game is just better with Chubb toting the rock. I understand the sentiment about investing at that position, but I would sign him now to a 4/5yr deal with the back end easy for us to cut ties if he falls off the table. If we have fans in the stands for 2021 the 2022 cap may go up as much as 50 million. I think there will be plenty to go around. If we look in the top tier players now, there deals will probably look good several years from now.
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The top 7 RB's in the NFL all avg over $12mil a year.
Maybe you can exclude Kamara and Run CmC because of their value as receivers. But the other big names - Henry, Zeke, Mixon, Cook... All $12mil or more.
I love Chubb, maybe front loading the deal and the signing bonus can alleviate some cap issues? But you're not getting him south of $10mil barring a miracle.
Agree.
I send a message that a top 5 back with a top 5 work ethic and a team player that doesn’t pop up in bad headlines are the kind of players that get paid market value for this team. We find a way.
There are other unpopular moves I’d make before Chubb hits free agency.
There are other unpopular moves I’d make before Chubb hits free agency.
Me, too... like trading him.
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Zombo said:
I'll just address the UFA's:
Vernon: Age & Injuries say let him go
Joseph: let him go
Goodson: wait him out and then sign him to team-friendly deal.
Lamm: See ya.
Smith: See ya
Agree on most... disagree on these 5...
- Vernon - all price and recovery dependent with the latter driving down the former, and as I've posted before we will have all the info on his recovery.
- Goodson - at 28 he's approaching his last payday so I don't see "team-friendly"; he gave us a good 2020, reward him commensurately.
- Joseph and Smith - great vet presence and can still play... I want them in their respective position rooms
And that leaves Lamm... bit more complicated here.
No one can argue (don't take this as a challenge, Gipper) that he did not contribute to our 2020 success. And when your O-line is the strength of your Offense, then you have to have backups that can approach maintaining that strength.
We'll keep 3 backup OL for 8 total... 9 at the outside... plus a couple on the PS. Assuming we return our starting 5 by signing Teller that leaves 3 or 4 backup spots. Presently the candidates for those spots are:
- Lamm,
- Hubbard (IR),
- Forbes (Covid OptOut),
- Dunn (IR),
- Harris (IR),
- Hance, and
- Fabiano.
Clearly Callahan is going to have the greatest input here of the staff on performance level and development potential with Stef concerned about headcount and Barry focused on the Cap. So Stef and Andrew will value position flexibility... Hubbard has it (OG + OT), Fabs has it (OG + OC), and shock of shocks, Hance seems to have it, too (OG + OT). Lamm? Well we know he can flip sides, and that's not nothing.
I try to keep the four listed above, if I can work a reasonable deal out with Lamm... something in the $2.5 to 3.0 mm area with little guaranteed or $2 to 2.5 mm with substantial guarantees.
This leaves Harris on the outside looking in. We simply cannot afford the luxury of a one position backup. Also I should be able to shop he and his cap-friendly rookie deal and pick up a draft pick somewhere in the middle of Day 3... certainly no worse than a 6th rounder.
And the total dead money impact on 2021 is a mere $120k.
I wouldn't mind keeping more, but as my wife told me about my accumulated audio equipment in general and my speakers in particular... "You can't keep them all."
Agree on most... disagree on these 5...
- Vernon - all price and recovery dependent with the latter driving down the former, and as I've posted before we will have all the info on his recovery.
- Goodson - at 28 he's approaching his last payday so I don't see "team-friendly"; he gave us a good 2020, reward him commensurately.
- Joseph and Smith - great vet presence and can still play... I want them in their respective position rooms
And that leaves Lamm... bit more complicated here.
No one can argue (don't take this as a challenge, Gipper) that he did not contribute to our 2020 success. And when your O-line is the strength of your Offense, then you have to have backups that can approach maintaining that strength.
We'll keep 3 backup OL for 8 total... 9 at the outside... plus a couple on the PS. Assuming we return our starting 5 by signing Teller that leaves 3 or 4 backup spots. Presently the candidates for those spots are:
- Lamm,
- Hubbard (IR),
- Forbes (Covid OptOut),
- Dunn (IR),
- Harris (IR),
- Hance, and
- Fabiano.
Clearly Callahan is going to have the greatest input here of the staff on performance level and development potential with Stef concerned about headcount and Barry focused on the Cap. So Stef and Andrew will value position flexibility... Hubbard has it (OG + OT), Fabs has it (OG + OC), and shock of shocks, Hance seems to have it, too (OG + OT). Lamm? Well we know he can flip sides, and that's not nothing.
I try to keep the four listed above, if I can work a reasonable deal out with Lamm... something in the $2.5 to 3.0 mm area with little guaranteed or $2 to 2.5 mm with substantial guarantees.
This leaves Harris on the outside looking in. We simply cannot afford the luxury of a one position backup. Also I should be able to shop he and his cap-friendly rookie deal and pick up a draft pick somewhere in the middle of Day 3... certainly no worse than a 6th rounder.
And the total dead money impact on 2021 is a mere $120k.
I wouldn't mind keeping more, but as my wife told me about my accumulated audio equipment in general and my speakers in particular... "You can't keep them all."
I think how the backup situation sorts out will be interesting. I thought Dunn played well, Hance considering how new he was played OK too. I think we have a lot of good options there. I wonder if they do one extra game next season if they will expand the rosters any.
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Don't forget David Johnson...
Henry and Cook finished 1-2 in rushing... and their teams are but a 2020 season memory.
Here are the top 25 rushers for 2020: The number who are rookies or still on rookie seals totals? 16 by my count...
I love Chubb, but RB is simply not a place I choose to spend mega-money.
So if it's pay mega or move on... I move on.
Chubb is special, he may be the best back we had since #32. Our run game is just better with Chubb toting the rock. I understand the sentiment about investing at that position, but I would sign him now to a 4/5yr deal with the back end easy for us to cut ties if he falls off the table. If we have fans in the stands for 2021 the 2022 cap may go up as much as 50 million. I think there will be plenty to go around. If we look in the top tier players now, there deals will probably look good several years from now.
Chubb is special, he may be the best back we had since #32. Our run game is just better with Chubb toting the rock. I understand the sentiment about investing at that position, but I would sign him now to a 4/5yr deal with the back end easy for us to cut ties if he falls off the table. If we have fans in the stands for 2021 the 2022 cap may go up as much as 50 million. I think there will be plenty to go around. If we look in the top tier players now, there deals will probably look good several years from now.
So $15mm/yr average?
And Baker? $25mm/yr?
Don't forget Teller... this year.
There goes your $50mm...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Chubb is special, he may be the best back we had since #32. Our run game is just better with Chubb toting the rock. I understand the sentiment about investing at that position, but I would sign him now to a 4/5yr deal with the back end easy for us to cut ties if he falls off the table. If we have fans in the stands for 2021 the 2022 cap may go up as much as 50 million. I think there will be plenty to go around. If we look in the top tier players now, there deals will probably look good several years from now.
So $15mm/yr average?
And Baker? $25mm/yr?
Don't forget Teller... this year.
There goes your $50mm...
So $15mm/yr average?
And Baker? $25mm/yr?
Don't forget Teller... this year.
There goes your $50mm...
Add some and lose some... Bitonio, Sheldon Rich, OBJ, Landry on last contracts with the Browns
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Add some and lose some... Bitonio, Sheldon Rich, OBJ, Landry on last contracts with the Browns
OBJ and Landry are 28 with 3 and 4 more years under contract respectively... so yeah... but they are 3 and 4 years away from the end of their contracts. Not much help in the short term. Richardson's 30 with two more seasons under current deal. All could be cheap cuts before the end of their contracts and declining performance may warrant doing so...
But Bito?
You're going to cut Bito loose at age 32? An All-pro who has missed 2 games in four years... and those were due to Covid Contact... who plays a position where greats have played into their mid 30's?
Well in that case bye-bye Tretter, too. Same age, same contract length, but even more savings than Bito when you kick him to the curb.
It's just not as simple as you are trying to make it be... e.g., 3/5ths of our OL going FA in 2023.
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Note that 100% of the current listed "cap space" on the front page of overthecap is the one-year type - best used as signing bonuses because that's the only type that can be one-year.
Our salary expenses this season were right at the cap. This is best thought of as having no "long term" cap space. 100% of the current listed "cap space" on the front page of overthecap is therefore only the one-year type.
Players care about the total they receive.. Our best use of the space we have is really the signing bonus.
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Add some and lose some... Bitonio, Sheldon Rich, OBJ, Landry on last contracts with the Browns
OBJ and Landry are 28 with 3 and 4 more years under contract respectively... so yeah... but they are 3 and 4 years away from the end of their contracts. Not much help in the short term. Richardson's 30 with two more seasons under current deal. All could be cheap cuts before the end of their contracts and declining performance may warrant doing so...
But Bito?
You're going to cut Bito loose at age 32? An All-pro who has missed 2 games in four years... and those were due to Covid Contact... who plays a position where greats have played into their mid 30's?
Well in that case bye-bye Tretter, too. Same age, same contract length, but even more savings than Bito when you kick him to the curb.
It's just not as simple as you are trying to make it be... e.g., 3/5ths of our OL going FA in 2023.
OBJ and Landry are 28 with 3 and 4 more years under contract respectively... so yeah... but they are 3 and 4 years away from the end of their contracts. Not much help in the short term. Richardson's 30 with two more seasons under current deal. All could be cheap cuts before the end of their contracts and declining performance may warrant doing so...
But Bito?
You're going to cut Bito loose at age 32? An All-pro who has missed 2 games in four years... and those were due to Covid Contact... who plays a position where greats have played into their mid 30's?
Well in that case bye-bye Tretter, too. Same age, same contract length, but even more savings than Bito when you kick him to the curb.
It's just not as simple as you are trying to make it be... e.g., 3/5ths of our OL going FA in 2023.
Of course it is not simple some contracts will be back loaded with a cap friendly number in the early stages, some could restructure and of course the cap will go up over the next two/three years. Myles deal hits harder later. I’m not in some Lala land with this...But some older guys that are fan favorites will not play into their mid 30s with the Browns. Those are some of the tough decisions.
Bitonio/Jarvis/OBJ we shed a 40M cap number after 2022. Jarvis has two years left on his deal. OBJ has 3. OBJ has a deal into 2023 that we can shed with a June 1 cut with no cap hit. The real question is - Do any of them want reduce their earning capacity on their next deal? I’d like to keep all three into the the 2022 season. 2023? 2024? That’s when i pause with some of this younger talent we have and the front office we have now that gives us some hope with their acquisitions and picks.
The toughest decision in my opinion is Denzel Ward. Do you think we should give him top 3-5 corner money for 12 games a year?
But If Chubb wants to sign a 4 yr. 50M deal i think our FO would run a pen to him. I think that’s a great deal for us.
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I get lost on all this conversations, but I'll try to contribute.
Mitchell not only is a good CB, he is the best consistent tackler in the secondary. Even when he is beaten he doesn't allow many yards after catch.
The ones that stick out for me are Sheldon Richardson and Vernon. The only consistent playmaker I've seen from the Browns is Myles Garrett, sans some good games by Vernon (when Garrett was out IIRC) and splash plays here and there by Richardson. Maybe it is because our secondary was so bad that the Dline didn't have time to get some pressure, but that's my feeling.
I think that we have to get some trade value out of them now that they still have it. In 2 years I'd say it will be gone. Depending on what happens to them, we keep Ogunjobi. In the future Garrett will have to be the veteran presence in the room with FA or draftees coming and going, so we could start that trend soon. Plus if we upgrade the secondary (it's easy to upgrade something so atrocious) it will lift some weight from the Dline.
Higgins should stay and the numbers work for us because he doesn't have big numbers and still contributes.
I had the feeling that Callahan has made it possible to plug in any player in the OL and it still performed, so I would let him decide if he wants Lamm or not. If he can work without him, let him hit FA.
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OBJ and Landry are 28 with 3 and 4 more years under contract respectively... so yeah... but they are 3 and 4 years away from the end of their contracts. Not much help in the short term. Richardson's 30 with two more seasons under current deal. All could be cheap cuts before the end of their contracts and declining performance may warrant doing so...
But Bito?
You're going to cut Bito loose at age 32? An All-pro who has missed 2 games in four years... and those were due to Covid Contact... who plays a position where greats have played into their mid 30's?
Well in that case bye-bye Tretter, too. Same age, same contract length, but even more savings than Bito when you kick him to the curb.
It's just not as simple as you are trying to make it be... e.g., 3/5ths of our OL going FA in 2023.
Of course it is not simple some contracts will be back loaded with a cap friendly number in the early stages, some could restructure and of course the cap will go up over the next two/three years. Myles deal hits harder later. I’m not in some Lala land with this...But some older guys that are fan favorites will not play into their mid 30s with the Browns. Those are some of the tough decisions.
Bitonio/Jarvis/OBJ we shed a 40M cap number after 2022. Jarvis has two years left on his deal. OBJ has 3. OBJ has a deal into 2023 that we can shed with a June 1 cut with no cap hit. The real question is - Do any of them want reduce their earning capacity on their next deal? I’d like to keep all three into the the 2022 season. 2023? 2024? That’s when i pause with some of this younger talent we have and the front office we have now that gives us some hope with their acquisitions and picks.
The toughest decision in my opinion is Denzel Ward. Do you think we should give him top 3-5 corner money for 12 games a year?
But If Chubb wants to sign a 4 yr. 50M deal i think our FO would run a pen to him. I think that’s a great deal for us.
But If Chubb wants to sign a 4 yr. 50M deal i think our FO would run a pen to him. I think that’s a great deal for us.
If this deal is back loaded, I'd say yes.
You sign him after this year before he hits his 4th year in the rookie contract, then get at least 2 years under 10mil a year.
That let's you have him for 5 years (since draft) in a cap friendly situation, and you negotiate there depending on the current circumstances.
At RB changing chips before 3rd contract I believe is a good trend to help the cap and have the most cost efficiency in the position.
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OBJ and Landry are 28 with 3 and 4 more years under contract respectively... so yeah... but they are 3 and 4 years away from the end of their contracts. Not much help in the short term. Richardson's 30 with two more seasons under current deal. All could be cheap cuts before the end of their contracts and declining performance may warrant doing so...
But Bito?
You're going to cut Bito loose at age 32? An All-pro who has missed 2 games in four years... and those were due to Covid Contact... who plays a position where greats have played into their mid 30's?
Well in that case bye-bye Tretter, too. Same age, same contract length, but even more savings than Bito when you kick him to the curb.
It's just not as simple as you are trying to make it be... e.g., 3/5ths of our OL going FA in 2023.
Of course it is not simple some contracts will be back loaded with a cap friendly number in the early stages, some could restructure and of course the cap will go up over the next two/three years. Myles deal hits harder later. I’m not in some Lala land with this...But some older guys that are fan favorites will not play into their mid 30s with the Browns. Those are some of the tough decisions.
Bitonio/Jarvis/OBJ we shed a 40M cap number after 2022. Jarvis has two years left on his deal. OBJ has 3. OBJ has a deal into 2023 that we can shed with a June 1 cut with no cap hit. The real question is - Do any of them want reduce their earning capacity on their next deal? I’d like to keep all three into the the 2022 season. 2023? 2024? That’s when i pause with some of this younger talent we have and the front office we have now that gives us some hope with their acquisitions and picks.
The toughest decision in my opinion is Denzel Ward. Do you think we should give him top 3-5 corner money for 12 games a year?
But If Chubb wants to sign a 4 yr. 50M deal i think our FO would run a pen to him. I think that’s a great deal for us.
Of course it is not simple some contracts will be back loaded with a cap friendly number in the early stages, some could restructure and of course the cap will go up over the next two/three years. Myles deal hits harder later. I’m not in some Lala land with this...But some older guys that are fan favorites will not play into their mid 30s with the Browns. Those are some of the tough decisions.
Bitonio/Jarvis/OBJ we shed a 40M cap number after 2022. Jarvis has two years left on his deal. OBJ has 3. OBJ has a deal into 2023 that we can shed with a June 1 cut with no cap hit. The real question is - Do any of them want reduce their earning capacity on their next deal? I’d like to keep all three into the the 2022 season. 2023? 2024? That’s when i pause with some of this younger talent we have and the front office we have now that gives us some hope with their acquisitions and picks.
The toughest decision in my opinion is Denzel Ward. Do you think we should give him top 3-5 corner money for 12 games a year?
But If Chubb wants to sign a 4 yr. 50M deal i think our FO would run a pen to him. I think that’s a great deal for us.
Not Lala-land, just not thinking it thru. And it's not that I am... I can only get so far before the numbers I am trying to juggle begin crashing to the floor.
And they can make a mess... wife takes one look and says, "I am NOT cleaning that up!"
There's a reason every team has a "cap guru" these days... and now those gurus have staffs.
No player goes into a contract negotiation looking to "reduce his earning power", rather they (thru their agents) seek to embellish it. Sometimes they do, usually by citing other recent contracts, but most often the value is set by the team based upon what it saw on the field.
Back-loading contracts simply delays the pain... they are cap traps. They are what desperate GMs do to try to save their jobs.
Unsym laid it out... if you want a 4yr, $50m Chubb, then front-load his deal by dipping into the carryover space from prior years. But once you are done dipping for him, you are not going have much left for your cap-busting, franchise QB, let alone a UFA defender or two to fill some gaps.
2020 happened for many reasons, but one reason stands out to me... our FO invested heavily in our OL. I simply do not see that changing in the foreseeable future.
We will keep churning the draft, FA and PSs for OL prospects that can develop into quality backups at minimum and possibly starters just as Teller did. (Who saw him coming?) However, Wyatt is still not at Bito's level of completeness, run and pass. Bito remains the "anchor" of our OL. He makes whoever lines up on either side of him better for simply doing so. You don't let anchors walk before their time. And while Teller is a bargain today... come 2021's FA "legal tampering" period... he won't be.
If we find a near Pro-bowler-in-waiting behind Bito (or Tretter or Conklin, neither of whom you addressed) who is younger and cheaper, then by all means trade Bito (or... or...), but don't let him walk. Get value to continue the building process. By the time this happens Tretter and Wills should be able to make up the difference, but OL chemistry is a tricky thing and anchors carry even more weight in determining the state of that intangible. No such consideration exists at RB.
"Fan favorite" simply doesn't enter into it... that's an emotional consideration. If you want to achieve and maintain long-term excellence you have to conduct business impassionately. Bill B. taught us that over two decades ago and he practiced it ever since in NE.
Ward? You need cover corners. I posted a while ago that his injury history doesn't bother me. There's been no serious, season-ender that required surgery and rehab, just a series of pulls of different muscles and one concussion. That said...
Ward is a cover corner. and while he is our best cover corner, he's not an eraser, not a "shutdown" corner. I'm not sure he is "top 3-5", but then CB evaluations aren't my thing. I do know that he's not a Stephon Gilmore or Tre'davious White that you can put on the field and pay no added attention to his quarter for 60 minutes.
That to me will determine his Ward's contract... so if he will accept 2nd-tier money? Then I hope we can accommodate him... he'd be a great Minniefield to a yet-to-be-found Dixon.
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@tour2ma, Dixon has already been found. You're welcome.
Not directed at you in particular.
What would hurt about losing Chubb is both the YAC and YAB (Yards above blocked) that he generates. I've said this a couple times before and I'll say it one last time - Chubbs cross center cutback vision is superior and more consistent than Kareems (so far) that is what makes our outside zone so damn deadly.
So while I'm confident any RB can produce behind this Oline, could they give us those additional yards and explosive runs Chubb turns out with his special talent? I don't necessarily believe so.
Which is where the questions about your QB and pass catchers come into play. Is Baker ready to be the focal point of the offense to the degree where the running game no longer needs to be so dominant? If so, then great. Welcome to the modern NFL. If not? Then you've rid yourself of the best RB Cleveland has seen in generations.
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