Browns Free Agent List
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Chubb is special, he may be the best back we had since #32. Our run game is just better with Chubb toting the rock. I understand the sentiment about investing at that position, but I would sign him now to a 4/5yr deal with the back end easy for us to cut ties if he falls off the table. If we have fans in the stands for 2021 the 2022 cap may go up as much as 50 million. I think there will be plenty to go around. If we look in the top tier players now, there deals will probably look good several years from now.
So $15mm/yr average?
And Baker? $25mm/yr?
Don't forget Teller... this year.
There goes your $50mm...
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Okay I'll try to be nice.
Any chance of not extending chubb is the most insane chatter by completely inept minds imaginable.
Dumbest talk I've ever thought I'd read.
There that's the nice version.
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Okay I'll try to be nice.
Any chance of not extending chubb is the most insane chatter by completely inept minds imaginable.
Dumbest talk I've ever thought I'd read.
There that's the nice version.
Okay I'll try to be nice.
Any chance of not extending chubb is the most insane chatter by completely inept minds imaginable.
Dumbest talk I've ever thought I'd read.
There that's the nice version.
Welcome to the modern NFL that doesn't like to pay running backs.
You're in for quite a shock.
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Okay I'll try to be nice.
Any chance of not extending chubb is the most insane chatter by completely inept minds imaginable.
Dumbest talk I've ever thought I'd read.
There that's the nice version.
Okay I'll try to be nice.
Any chance of not extending chubb is the most insane chatter by completely inept minds imaginable.
Dumbest talk I've ever thought I'd read.
There that's the nice version.
And you succeeded... for the most part...
In the abstract I can agree with you. Chubb is a talented RB who I would love to have on my team.
However, in reality you are not addressing the questions which are...
What is the value of even the best RB in today's, cap-saddled NFL and how easy are vet RBs to effectively replace with new ones on rookie deals?
To the latter I think I showed that it is not that hard. The former you avoided in your post. So I ask you...
Extending Chubb at what cost?
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Ingram just got cut from Ravens at the frail, geriatric age of 31. His final productive year was at age 30. Look above at the top rushers in NFL and Gordon at 27 is the only one above 26.. and the 26yo's are Henry and Drake, who will also appear to be a victim of Thanos' Snap sometime in the next couple of seasons.
Is Chubb's performance amazing? Of course. Can we count on him beyond the 2022 season? Absolutely not.
Note, of course, that Ingram's plateau was extended only by the Saints platooning him with Kamara and limiting his pounding each year. I'd propose that we could likely achieve Chubb productivity... ONLY ONLY ONLY by also extending Hunt and executing similar snap/carry limitations. Chubb is not Derrick Henry/Eddie George - and that's a good thing.
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I would think the RB position holds more value to this wide zone run scheme. Some of us predicted that Chubb would be a greater asset to it because of his running style patience/vision/cut back ability he possesses.
Teams like Buffalo/KC: RB value not so much... QB runs/ WR runs. Short throws to WRs in space.
The blanket rule may not apply to us.
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I would think the RB position holds more value to this wide zone run scheme. Some of us predicted that Chubb would be a greater asset to it because of his running style patience/vision/cut back ability he possesses.
Teams like Buffalo/KC: RB value not so much... QB runs/ WR runs. Short throws to WRs in space.
The blanket rule may not apply to us.
The blanket rule may not apply to us.
But the salary cap does...
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The blanket rule may not apply to us.
But the salary cap does...
But the salary cap does...
Of course and at some point it becomes cost prohibitive.
the hypothetical posed was 4yr. 50M D Henry contract. That is not cost prohibitive to me.
The position IMO is more valuable to the Browns and we have a special player at that position.
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I'm getting the feeling we disagree....
I may not disagree if his agent goes crazy and his requests are nuts.
And then I’d start to think what kind of player can we get for a fraction of that cost and hopefully get somewhat close but realistically under what we get with Chubb. Or better yet find the next guy in the draft.
I actually enjoy watching Hunt run and catch the ball.
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Yep! still have it ?...Now will winning and managing new Covid cap changes? Change any of Paul's building bible?
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Lot's of these reads seem to still be in place... Seemed like it took forever,, Well until a real coaching staff showed up ?
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Of course and at some point it becomes cost prohibitive.
the hypothetical posed was 4yr. 50M D Henry contract. That is not cost prohibitive to me.
The position IMO is more valuable to the Browns and we have a special player at that position.
To me 4yr 50m would be doable and fair. Add that as extension to his current rookie contract and that puts you are age 30 where things can be reevaluated. Having Hunt will also help absorb some of the wear and tear. That said I rather like having a situation of how we are going to pay a bunch of good players then the usual crap we have been going through.
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Yep! still have it ?...Now will winning and managing new Covid cap changes? Change any of Paul's building bible?
Lot's of these reads seem to still be in place... Seemed like it took forever,, Well until a real coaching staff showed up ?
Yep! still have it ?...Now will winning and managing new Covid cap changes? Change any of Paul's building bible?
Lot's of these reads seem to still be in place... Seemed like it took forever,, Well until a real coaching staff showed up ?
A couple of things I wonder about here:
1. What are a "red" and a blue? Is a red a guy with red flags?
2. What does "Do not Silo" mean?
I also hate the whole "Churn the bottom of the roster" concept. It has always seemed to me to mean: give the GM something to do after he has already put his best team together.
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Yep! still have it ?...Now will winning and managing new Covid cap changes? Change any of Paul's building bible?
Lot's of these reads seem to still be in place... Seemed like it took forever,, Well until a real coaching staff showed up ?
A couple of things I wonder about here:
1. What are a "red" and a blue? Is a red a guy with red flags?
2. What does "Do not Silo" mean?
I also hate the whole "Churn the bottom of the roster" concept. It has always seemed to me to mean: give the GM something to do after he has already put his best team together.
A couple of things I wonder about here:
1. What are a "red" and a blue? Is a red a guy with red flags?
2. What does "Do not Silo" mean?
I also hate the whole "Churn the bottom of the roster" concept. It has always seemed to me to mean: give the GM something to do after he has already put his best team together.
The attached links birthday is today. 2 years ago from today.
This all came about from a writer named Seth Wickersham of Espn (click "ESPN piece from this morning".. Sadly, most of the good comment section was deleted & closed with fans interpretation.. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2019/1/24/18196310/lets-look-at-the-browns-guardrails-from-the-analytics-team
Team working in Silo's https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/250477
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
MKC weighs in on extending Chubb. It's actually a fairly reasonable take considering the source.
She raises the Franchise Tag specter... something we've not discussed here. I did not realize how inexpensive that alternative is.
Hey, Mary Kay: Will the Browns sign Nick Chubb to a contract extension this offseason? — Sean N., Chicago Ill.
Hey, Sean: Chubb is heading into the final year of his contract, and the Browns must decide if they’ll extend him or let him play out his rookie deal and then possibly franchise him him for 2022. The latter option would give them two more years of Chubb at an average of about $6.5 million to $7 million a year ($1.48 million for his 2021 base, and about $12 million for the 2022 franchise number) which would be a bargain for a running back of his caliber. Or, the Browns could decide to extend him this offseason and sign him to a creative deal that rewards Chubb but also protects the club.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
A couple of things I wonder about here:
1. What are a "red" and a blue? Is a red a guy with red flags?
2. What does "Do not Silo" mean?
I also hate the whole "Churn the bottom of the roster" concept. It has always seemed to me to mean: give the GM something to do after he has already put his best team together.
The attached links birthday is today. 2 years ago from today.
This all came about from a writer named Seth Wickersham of Espn (click "ESPN piece from this morning".. Sadly, most of the good comment section was deleted & closed with fans interpretation.. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2019/1/24/18196310/lets-look-at-the-browns-guardrails-from-the-analytics-team
Team working in Silo's https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/250477
The attached links birthday is today. 2 years ago from today.
This all came about from a writer named Seth Wickersham of Espn (click "ESPN piece from this morning".. Sadly, most of the good comment section was deleted & closed with fans interpretation.. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2019/1/24/18196310/lets-look-at-the-browns-guardrails-from-the-analytics-team
Team working in Silo's https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/250477
The first article does not really give an explanation between the red/blue dichotomy. So, still a bit in the dark there.
The second, sort of, explains the silo concept as it applies to professional business management analysis. (It seems mostly to be a self applicable caution to the GM)
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MKC weighs in on extending Chubb. It's actually a fairly reasonable take considering the source.
She raises the Franchise Tag specter... something we've not discussed here. I did not realize how inexpensive that alternative is.
Hey, Mary Kay: Will the Browns sign Nick Chubb to a contract extension this offseason? — Sean N., Chicago Ill.
Hey, Sean: Chubb is heading into the final year of his contract, and the Browns must decide if they’ll extend him or let him play out his rookie deal and then possibly franchise him him for 2022. The latter option would give them two more years of Chubb at an average of about $6.5 million to $7 million a year ($1.48 million for his 2021 base, and about $12 million for the 2022 franchise number) which would be a bargain for a running back of his caliber. Or, the Browns could decide to extend him this offseason and sign him to a creative deal that rewards Chubb but also protects the club.
MKC weighs in on extending Chubb. It's actually a fairly reasonable take considering the source.
She raises the Franchise Tag specter... something we've not discussed here.
I did not realize how inexpensive that alternative is.I needed to read MKC's reply a little more closely as I thought $6mm/yr seemed low to franchise a RB... remembered Bell costing PTG alot more than that seasons ago.
MKC's averaging of Chubb's final year under his rookie deal with the cost of a tag is "voodoo economics".
The tag costs $12mm. His 4th year costs $1.48. Averaging them is a meaningless exercise in math.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
MKC weighs in on extending Chubb. It's actually a fairly reasonable take considering the source.
She raises the Franchise Tag specter... something we've not discussed here.
I did not realize how inexpensive that alternative is.I needed to read MKC's reply a little more closely as I thought $6mm/yr seemed low to franchise a RB... remembered Bell costing PTG alot more than that seasons ago.
MKC's averaging of Chubb's final year under his rookie deal with the cost of a tag is "voodoo economics".
The tag costs $12mm. His 4th year costs $1.48. Averaging them is a meaningless exercise in math.
I needed to read MKC's reply a little more closely as I thought $6mm/yr seemed low to franchise a RB... remembered Bell costing PTG alot more than that seasons ago.
MKC's averaging of Chubb's final year under his rookie deal with the cost of a tag is "voodoo economics".
The tag costs $12mm. His 4th year costs $1.48. Averaging them is a meaningless exercise in math.
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PLAYER (25)POS.AGEFROMTO2020 AAVSTATUSMARKET VALUE
Olivier Vernon OLB 31 CLE TBD $11,000,000 UFA - Kevin Johnson CB 29 CLE TBD $3,500,000 UFA - Terrance Mitchell CB 29 CLE TBD $3,333,333 UFA - Karl Joseph SS 28 CLE TBD $2,500,000 UFA Market Value B.J. Goodson ILB 28 CLE TBD $2,400,000 UFA - Kendall Lamm RT 29 CLE TBD $2,250,000 UFA - Andrew Sendejo SS 34 CLE TBD $2,250,000 UFA - Malcolm Smith OLB 32 CLE TBD $1,050,000 UFA - Jojo Natson WR 27 CLE TBD $1,000,000 UFA - Larry Ogunjobi DT 27 CLE TBD $976,816 UFA Market Value Cody Parkey K 29 CLE TBD $910,000 UFA - Rashard Higgins WR 27 CLE TBD $910,000 UFA Market Value Elijah Lee OLB 25 CLE TBD $835,000 UFA - Taywan Taylor WR 26 CLE TBD $825,000 UFA - Khadarel Hodge WR 26 CLE TBD $750,000 RFA - Vincent Taylor DT 27 CLE TBD $690,000 UFA - Marvin Hall WR 28 CLE TBD $690,000 UFA - Michael Dunn T 27 CLE TBD $675,000 ERFA - Colby Gossett G 26 CLE TBD - ERFA - George Obinna DE 25 CLE TBD $610,000 ERFA - Tae Davis LB 25 CLE TBD $571,667 UFA - Tavierre Thomas CB 25 CLE TBD $570,000 RFA - Stephen Carlson TE 25 CLE TBD $540,000 ERFA - Porter Gustin OLB 24 CLE TBD $540,000 ERFA - Tedric Thompson S 26 CLE TBD - UFA -
At some point later we will use this as a scoreboard to detail who stays and who goes.
I don't remember seeing "Depo's Commandments" before. Love two of the items here...
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