JJ Watt to Cardinals
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My guess there are more soft hearted JJ/Texan fans that are pissed and are thinking let JJ go somewhere where he can win now and let’s reset and get something for him.
I think most Texans fans... remember I live with one... could be made to understand a rationale for trading JJ to a place that means he is leaving happy
I think most Texans fans... remember I live with one... could be made to understand a rationale for trading JJ to a place that means he is leaving happy
It is hard not to be a JJ Watt fan- Is Mrs Tour a Watt Fan?
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Don't disagree. But that wasn't what you replied to with Tour. He specifically said that if JJ were to take a discount it would only be one team and it wouldn't be Cleveland.
Then you replied and asked why not us?
You are arguing something totally different than what you replied to.
If the question is JJ at 17m and would he play in Cleveland at that price, I would think so.
If the question is if he would be a good fit, I certainly believe so.
But if the question (which is what Tour said and reason I replied) is would CLE be his 1 choice at a reduced cost, then I think that would be a absolute no.
And I can't say I understand the logic behind the rest of that post at all. There is certainly a big difference in being 2 hours away and being teammates with your brothers. Sure, the 2 hours is closer than present, but there is a HUGE difference. A good example (not comparing the players caliber at all), but there has been some talk that LeBron may stay in the NBA long enough to play with Jr. Of course he would have to make the league. But since there is no way to know where Jr. would end up, but if those talks are correct the goal would be to play with family, not necessarily who can win, best fit, etc.
And I think we would all agree that the Browns have lost the stigma and that he wouldn't be opposed to playing opposite Myles. But he also wouldn't be opposed to playing with Donald, Jones, Smiths, Barrett, etc; and aside from Donald, all those other guys would seemingly give him the better chance to win a championship (i.e. Chiefs, Packers, Bucs).
Again, I am not saying JJ won't go to Cleveland, that he wouldn't be a fit, or anything like that. I am saying that by what Tour2ma posted and you subsequently replied and asked "Why Not", that is why not
Lol.
He’s only going to play for one team at a discount the Steelers. Okay. It is a sure thing. It could Very well happen too.All I’m saying is - we have a chance. And I was advocating that position.
We can write it off now I guess...but what else is there to talk about.
Lol.
He’s only going to play for one team at a discount the Steelers. Okay. It is a sure thing. It could Very well happen too.All I’m saying is - we have a chance. And I was advocating that position.
We can write it off now I guess...but what else is there to talk about.
You are still Missing the point. None of what you just said is wrong.
But when someone lays out a topic and within that topic says 1 team, and it ain't us...
When you reply why not us, that would then appear to be questioning the person you replied to, fair to say?
And when you then change the terms of what was said, you are making a different argument. I.e. when Tour2ma said take a discount... you can't then discuss his current contract and why it would be fine and a fit. Those are 2 different bullet points on the same topic.
None of that means he wouldn't go to Cleveland, wouldn't be a fit, that there is still a stigma, etc.
What it means is that Pittsburgh can offer something that NO other team can offer. That's all it is. And like I said, I don't even have an iota of an idea why you brought up being 2 hours away. If you think that is even in the same universe as being on the same team, and thus seeing them every day, then you just appear to not understand that kind of bond.
Nope.
Our salary expense last season was at the cap.
The cap this past season was 198.2; Browns salary expenses were 196.0.
Notice how even in the last couple of weeks the magical one-year-only get-out-of-jail-free has now decreased to only 18.0. Under a month ago it was 30; nobody knows the bizarre clauses and contract dates when guarantees kick in.
That's NOT the only question though. JJ watt would not sign a one-year deal -- and we only have cap space for one year. After one year we are precisely 2.2 million under the cap BEFORE considering JJ's contract.
Who are you advocating cutting to create space for him after year one?
I know, I know -- you're not. But this is pure bizarro fantasyland.. we don't have the cap space after year one of any deal and he's not signing a one-year deal.
You obviously just picked out something to respond to and didn't read the rest of the thread. What you quoted had NOTHING to do with me saying yay or nay on Watt. It was pointing out the difference between discussing JJ and being willing to take a pay cut to potentially play with his brothers and then using 17 to say he could play in CLE. Those are separate arguments on the same topic.
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Lol.
He’s only going to play for one team at a discount the Steelers. Okay. It is a sure thing. It could Very well happen too.All I’m saying is - we have a chance. And I was advocating that position.
We can write it off now I guess...but what else is there to talk about.
You are still Missing the point. None of what you just said is wrong.
But when someone lays out a topic and within that topic says 1 team, and it ain't us...
When you reply why not us, that would then appear to be questioning the person you replied to, fair to say?
And when you then change the terms of what was said, you are making a different argument. I.e. when Tour2ma said take a discount... you can't then discuss his current contract and why it would be fine and a fit. Those are 2 different bullet points on the same topic.
None of that means he wouldn't go to Cleveland, wouldn't be a fit, that there is still a stigma, etc.
What it means is that Pittsburgh can offer something that NO other team can offer. That's all it is. And like I said, I don't even have an iota of an idea why you brought up being 2 hours away. If you think that is even in the same universe as being on the same team, and thus seeing them every day, then you just appear to not understand that kind of bond.
Nope.
Our salary expense last season was at the cap.
The cap this past season was 198.2; Browns salary expenses were 196.0.
Notice how even in the last couple of weeks the magical one-year-only get-out-of-jail-free has now decreased to only 18.0. Under a month ago it was 30; nobody knows the bizarre clauses and contract dates when guarantees kick in.
That's NOT the only question though. JJ watt would not sign a one-year deal -- and we only have cap space for one year. After one year we are precisely 2.2 million under the cap BEFORE considering JJ's contract.
Who are you advocating cutting to create space for him after year one?
I know, I know -- you're not. But this is pure bizarro fantasyland.. we don't have the cap space after year one of any deal and he's not signing a one-year deal.
You obviously just picked out something to respond to and didn't read the rest of the thread. What you quoted had NOTHING to do with me saying yay or nay on Watt. It was pointing out the difference between discussing JJ and being willing to take a pay cut to potentially play with his brothers and then using 17 to say he could play in CLE. Those are separate arguments on the same topic.
You are still Missing the point. None of what you just said is wrong.
But when someone lays out a topic and within that topic says 1 team, and it ain't us...
When you reply why not us, that would then appear to be questioning the person you replied to, fair to say?
And when you then change the terms of what was said, you are making a different argument. I.e. when Tour2ma said take a discount... you can't then discuss his current contract and why it would be fine and a fit. Those are 2 different bullet points on the same topic.
None of that means he wouldn't go to Cleveland, wouldn't be a fit, that there is still a stigma, etc.
What it means is that Pittsburgh can offer something that NO other team can offer. That's all it is. And like I said, I don't even have an iota of an idea why you brought up being 2 hours away. If you think that is even in the same universe as being on the same team, and thus seeing them every day, then you just appear to not understand that kind of bond.
You obviously just picked out something to respond to and didn't read the rest of the thread. What you quoted had NOTHING to do with me saying yay or nay on Watt. It was pointing out the difference between discussing JJ and being willing to take a pay cut to potentially play with his brothers and then using 17 to say he could play in CLE. Those are separate arguments on the same topic.
Gunz I’m not going down a rabbit hole like others do with you. This topic doesn’t need it.
From the Texans perspective- because they have a stake in this too (not just making sure the three amigos get together in 2021). They can trade JJ and maximize value and get what they need and JJ plays for a team in 2021.
JJ in 2022 when he’s a free agent could decide to trio up with his family. Take a 1 year 2M deal whatever because he’s loaded.
I questioned Tour because it appeared from the post that the Steelers(just the Steelers) would be the team that JJ would take a discount for- whether he meant that or not I don’t know. Here’s the thing - I actually agree he would take a discount for Pitt but I wouldn’t stop at just the Steelers. And the Steelers (although the cap isn’t set) have cap issues they need to deal with to facilitate just about any move.
So moving onto a different bullet point, If he’s traded (as far as I know he doesn’t have a no trade clause) he can play out his contract and go with a new team- the Texans can take the best offer and/or he can rework with the Texans or the team he’s going to which could facilitate a trade to other teams that aren’t carrying over as much money and don’t have other considerations with their cap spend.
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You are still Missing the point. None of what you just said is wrong.
But when someone lays out a topic and within that topic says 1 team, and it ain't us...
When you reply why not us, that would then appear to be questioning the person you replied to, fair to say?
And when you then change the terms of what was said, you are making a different argument. I.e. when Tour2ma said take a discount... you can't then discuss his current contract and why it would be fine and a fit. Those are 2 different bullet points on the same topic.
None of that means he wouldn't go to Cleveland, wouldn't be a fit, that there is still a stigma, etc.
What it means is that Pittsburgh can offer something that NO other team can offer. That's all it is. And like I said, I don't even have an iota of an idea why you brought up being 2 hours away. If you think that is even in the same universe as being on the same team, and thus seeing them every day, then you just appear to not understand that kind of bond.
You obviously just picked out something to respond to and didn't read the rest of the thread. What you quoted had NOTHING to do with me saying yay or nay on Watt. It was pointing out the difference between discussing JJ and being willing to take a pay cut to potentially play with his brothers and then using 17 to say he could play in CLE. Those are separate arguments on the same topic.
Gunz I’m not going down a rabbit hole like others do with you. This topic doesn’t need it.
From the Texans perspective- because they have a stake in this too (not just making sure the three amigos get together in 2021). They can trade JJ and maximize value and get what they need and JJ plays for a team in 2021.
JJ in 2022 when he’s a free agent could decide to trio up with his family. Take a 1 year 2M deal whatever because he’s loaded.
I questioned Tour because it appeared from the post that the Steelers(just the Steelers) would be the team that JJ would take a discount for- whether he meant that or not I don’t know. Here’s the thing - I actually agree he would take a discount for Pitt but I wouldn’t stop at just the Steelers. And the Steelers (although the cap isn’t set) have cap issues they need to deal with to facilitate just about any move.
So moving onto a different bullet point, If he’s traded (as far as I know he doesn’t have a no trade clause) he can play out his contract and go with a new team- the Texans can take the best offer and/or he can rework with the Texans or the team he’s going to which could facilitate a trade to other teams that aren’t carrying over as much money and don’t have other considerations with their cap spend.
Gunz I’m not going down a rabbit hole like others do with you. This topic doesn’t need it.
From the Texans perspective- because they have a stake in this too (not just making sure the three amigos get together in 2021). They can trade JJ and maximize value and get what they need and JJ plays for a team in 2021.
JJ in 2022 when he’s a free agent could decide to trio up with his family. Take a 1 year 2M deal whatever because he’s loaded.
I questioned Tour because it appeared from the post that the Steelers(just the Steelers) would be the team that JJ would take a discount for- whether he meant that or not I don’t know. Here’s the thing - I actually agree he would take a discount for Pitt but I wouldn’t stop at just the Steelers. And the Steelers (although the cap isn’t set) have cap issues they need to deal with to facilitate just about any move.
So moving onto a different bullet point, If he’s traded (as far as I know he doesn’t have a no trade clause) he can play out his contract and go with a new team- the Texans can take the best offer and/or he can rework with the Texans or the team he’s going to which could facilitate a trade to other teams that aren’t carrying over as much money and don’t have other considerations with their cap spend.
If you want to think it's a rabbit hole then ok.
Again, I am not arguing ANYTHING you said for your points there.
I simply replied to you replying to him why not us and then changing the parameters of what you were replying to.
It may not have even been your intent to change them, but if you don't see how you did this, then I am done trying to explain it after this post. The post you replied to (and just said why you replied) was talking about taking a discount, and I believe it said something about 10m, and said it would be 1 team, and not us. You replied with why not us, and then you used 17m. So you using 17m (current deal) is not a discount, which means you are comparing different situations. Which was my only point the entire time.
So I will go a step further now. I would have ZERO issue with the Browns getting him at current deal or a reduced one. I think he certainly fits, and I would think it would be something the Browns look at. And as for the rest, I have already agreed about the stigma. This has nothing to do with your view on JJ Watt or anything like that. But only your apparent taking offense to me just pointing out that I view you using a different argument than what was originally used
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Draft pick. 3rd or a 4th. Houston needs picks.
He fits into our short term cap space and his deal expires after next season
Steelers no way no how. No cap room.
Personnel wise... Damn, JJ would be a great addition in replacing OV while we keep our edge depth roll players.
Would allow this draft and next to turn over late round rocks in hoping we find cheap(er) youth.
Personnel wise... Damn, JJ would be a great addition in replacing OV while we keep our edge depth roll players.
Would allow this draft and next to turn over late round rocks in hoping we find cheap(er) youth.
fuck no.....way over his prime....this would be another blockheaded move like the willie mcginnis....scott fujita....jamal lewis moves.......like one of the posters said, we would be paying for his past performance....he's cooked....too many injuries..
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Is Mrs Tour a Watt Fan?
Let me put it this way...
When we went to see CLE @ DAL this season she wore a Texans' #99 jersey...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Personnel wise... Damn, JJ would be a great addition in replacing OV while we keep our edge depth roll players.
Would allow this draft and next to turn over late round rocks in hoping we find cheap(er) youth.
fuck no.....way over his prime....this would be another blockheaded move like the willie mcginnis....scott fujita....jamal lewis moves.......like one of the posters said, we would be paying for his past performance....he's cooked....too many injuries..
fuck no.....way over his prime....this would be another blockheaded move like the willie mcginnis....scott fujita....jamal lewis moves.......like one of the posters said, we would be paying for his past performance....he's cooked....too many injuries..
If I recall, Jamal Lewis played pretty darn well for us in the time he was here. And McGinnis wasn't so bad either.
Lewis: 2 1000 yard seasons.
2007 28 CLE RB 31 15 15 298 1304 9 59 66 4.4 86.9 19.9 39 30 248 8.3 2 8 34 2.0 16.5 76.9% 6.4 328 4.7 1552 11 4 13 2008 29 CLE RB 31 16 16 279 1002 4 43 29 3.6 62.6 17.4 32 23 178 7.7 0 8 18 1.4 11.1 71.9% 5.6 302 3.9 1180 4 2 6 2009 30 CLE RB 31 9 8 143 500 0 18 18 3.5 55.6 15.9 11 8 88 11.0 0 5 19 0.9 9.8 72.7% 8.0 151 3.9 588 0 0 3 McGinest:
2006 35 CLE LOLB 55 14 13 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 4.0 45 36 9 8 10 6 2007 36 CLE LOLB 55 13 11 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 1 0 0 3.0 30 19 11 4 4 5 2008 37 CLE LOLB 55 14 14 0 0 0 0 2 1.0 57 44 13 5 9 -
Resign Vernon, Acquire JJ and there you have a nice rotation at RE. Our pass rush was non existent without Vernon and JJ is still far better than anything we have behind Vernon.
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Resign Vernon, Acquire JJ and there you have a nice rotation at RE. Our pass rush was non existent without Vernon and JJ is still far better than anything we have behind Vernon.
Resign Vernon, Acquire JJ and there you have a nice rotation at RE.
... and no money..
Couple other HOU players that would be worth exploring acquiring via trade...
- Brandon Cooks
- Justin Reid
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2021/01/24/cleveland-browns-trade-texans/
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Maybe we package baker on and obj and get watt and Watson.
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Maybe we package baker on and obj and get watt and Watson.
Maybe we package baker on and obj and get watt and Watson.
Stop it. Baker is not being traded
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Maybe we package baker on and obj and get watt and Watson.
Stop it. Baker is not being traded
Stop it. Baker is not being traded
It was a joke.
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Stop it. Baker is not being traded
It was a joke.
It was a joke.
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Stop it. Baker is not being traded
It was a joke.
It was a joke.
Wheew...
Next time use "pink"... or at least "pale red"...
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WTF is that?
A penis pump?
Enema bulb?
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It was a joke.
Wheew...
Next time use "pink"... or at least "pale red"...
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WTF is that?
A penis pump?
Enema bulb?
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Stop it. Baker is not being traded
It was a joke.
It was a joke.
There are Rumors floating around about it - and Watson is on the block - I’ll make sure I laugh next time.
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Resign Vernon, Acquire JJ and there you have a nice rotation at RE. Our pass rush was non existent without Vernon and JJ is still far better than anything we have behind Vernon.
Resign Vernon, Acquire JJ and there you have a nice rotation at RE. Our pass rush was non existent without Vernon and JJ is still far better than anything we have behind Vernon.
This won't happen.
JJ has one season left - is it possible to sign him using all of our rollover cap? Yes!
And then once 2022 comes around.. we have zero cap space of any sort, Chubb and Ward's rookie contracts are up, and we get nothing for JJ leaving because he's no longer under contract.
Current salary already committed for 2021: 196M. Cap for 2020 was 198M. That difference [198-196, aka 2] is our true [long-term] cap space.
The reason it won't happen is that we need that rollover cap to keep getting rolled over so we can re-sign Chubb, Ward, and Baker to deals that allow us to continue to keep good players around them for many years not just one. As we have seen, Ward can't be the only non-replacement-level DB.
If we hadn't signed Kenny Britt and TJ Carrie, we'd have at least 25M more to roll over..
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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