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  • Resign Vernon, Acquire JJ and there you have a nice rotation at RE. Our pass rush was non existent without Vernon and JJ is still far better than anything we have behind Vernon.

    @topdawg31 said:

    Resign Vernon, Acquire JJ and there you have a nice rotation at RE.

    ... and no money..

    Couple other HOU players that would be worth exploring acquiring via trade...

    • Brandon Cooks
    • Justin Reid

    https://dawgpounddaily.com/2021/01/24/cleveland-browns-trade-texans/

  • Maybe we package baker on and obj and get watt and Watson.

  • Watson?

  • Maybe we package baker on and obj and get watt and Watson.

    @cambridgeho said:

    Maybe we package baker on and obj and get watt and Watson.

    Stop it.  Baker is not being traded 

  • @cambridgeho said:

    Maybe we package baker on and obj and get watt and Watson.

    Stop it.  Baker is not being traded 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Stop it.  Baker is not being traded 

    It was a joke. 

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Stop it.  Baker is not being traded 

    It was a joke. 

    @cambridgeho said:

    It was a joke. 

    ?

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Stop it.  Baker is not being traded 

    It was a joke. 

    @cambridgeho said:

    It was a joke. 

    Wheew...

    Next time use "pink"... or at least "pale red"...

    @texasag1969 said:

    ?

    WTF is that?

    A penis pump?

    Enema bulb?

  • @cambridgeho said:

    It was a joke. 

    Wheew...

    Next time use "pink"... or at least "pale red"...

    @texasag1969 said:

    ?

    WTF is that?

    A penis pump?

    Enema bulb?

    @tour2ma said:

    Wheew...

    Next time use "pink"... or at least "pale red"...

    WTF is that?

    A penis pump?

    Enema bulb?

    Pulling in a fish dummy. Here.??

  • lol...

    Ah... the Great Indoors...

  • OHHH NOW they're talking about Brandin Cooks?!?!

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Stop it.  Baker is not being traded 

    It was a joke. 

    @cambridgeho said:

    It was a joke. 

    There are Rumors floating around about it - and Watson is on the block - I’ll make sure I laugh next time. 

  • Resign Vernon, Acquire JJ and there you have a nice rotation at RE. Our pass rush was non existent without Vernon and JJ is still far better than anything we have behind Vernon.

    @topdawg31 said:

    Resign Vernon, Acquire JJ and there you have a nice rotation at RE. Our pass rush was non existent without Vernon and JJ is still far better than anything we have behind Vernon.

    This won't happen.

    JJ has one season left - is it possible to sign him using all of our rollover cap? Yes!

    And then once 2022 comes around.. we have zero cap space of any sort, Chubb and Ward's rookie contracts are up, and we get nothing for JJ leaving because he's no longer under contract.

    Current salary already committed for 2021: 196M. Cap for 2020 was 198M.  That difference [198-196, aka 2] is our true [long-term] cap space. 

    The reason it won't happen is that we need that rollover cap to keep getting rolled over so we can re-sign Chubb, Ward, and Baker to deals that allow us to continue to keep good players around them for many years not just one.  As we have seen, Ward can't be the only non-replacement-level DB.

    If we hadn't signed Kenny Britt and TJ Carrie, we'd have at least 25M more to roll over..

  • Read an article that says Kwon Alexander might be a cap casualty, if I had my choice I'll take a 26 year old LB over a 32 year old DE. 

  • Read an article that says Kwon Alexander might be a cap casualty, if I had my choice I'll take a 26 year old LB over a 32 year old DE. 

    @blitzz2 said:

    Read an article that says Kwon Alexander might be a cap casualty, if I had my choice I'll take a 26 year old LB over a 32 year old DE. 

    Is this a joke too?

    I’m struggling right now 

  • Read an article that says Kwon Alexander might be a cap casualty, if I had my choice I'll take a 26 year old LB over a 32 year old DE. 

    @blitzz2 said:

    if I had my choice

    You don't.

    We have exactly 2 million in non-rollover cap space.. and that's assuming the cap does not decrease from 2020.

    It makes for a much less entertaining thread, but the entire concept that the Browns "Have Cap Space" is at best misinformation - aka clickbait.

  • So if the Browns are already tapped out with the cap, how are they going to sign Baker, Ward, Chubb, Teller et al to extensions? 

    I mean Jesus, imagine how fucked they'd be with the cap if they actually could have drafted worth a shit prior to 2018?

  • Fact that hasn't been included anywhere in this thread : Baker's 2022 salary will be somewhere between 18-20.  Mayfield's 2020 salary? 0.75

    Why haven't we extended Mayfield yet? Goff and Wentz are both a hot mess but were extended after yr3.. Goff didn't even start LAR playoff game this year.

  • @blitzz2 said:

    if I had my choice

    You don't.

    We have exactly 2 million in non-rollover cap space.. and that's assuming the cap does not decrease from 2020.

    It makes for a much less entertaining thread, but the entire concept that the Browns "Have Cap Space" is at best misinformation - aka clickbait.

    @unsympathetic said:

    You don't.

    We have exactly 2 million in non-rollover cap space.. and that's assuming the cap does not decrease from 2020.

    It makes for a much less entertaining thread, but the entire concept that the Browns "Have Cap Space" is at best misinformation - aka clickbait.

    The Cap limit hasn’t been set yet...so there’s that.

    And it’s been alleged by a Cap guru that we have a decent amount of carryover cap. That can be used preferably in the 1 yr. signing type variety...shouldn’t be hard given the constraints other teams will have as well. 

  • @unsympathetic said:

    You don't.

    We have exactly 2 million in non-rollover cap space.. and that's assuming the cap does not decrease from 2020.

    It makes for a much less entertaining thread, but the entire concept that the Browns "Have Cap Space" is at best misinformation - aka clickbait.

    The Cap limit hasn’t been set yet...so there’s that.

    And it’s been alleged by a Cap guru that we have a decent amount of carryover cap. That can be used preferably in the 1 yr. signing type variety...shouldn’t be hard given the constraints other teams will have as well. 

    And for the 42106th time, we have Chubb and Ward and Baker all on rookie deals needing to be resigned.  2021 season salaries are 2M under the 2020 cap. The rollover 1yr cap is no more than 18M.. you may recognize this as Baker's expected 5th year (2022) salary.

    To be clear: When their salaries rise and no rollover cap exists to take up that rise .... other positions become less skilled.

    @sdbacker80 said:

    And it’s been alleged by a Cap guru

    Did you look in a mirror and flex while typing that?

    It's OK though - don't bother posting links or being clear about the dollars you're asserting. Vague nonspecificity clickbait trolling does add confusion, though!

  • And for the 42106th time, we have Chubb and Ward and Baker all on rookie deals needing to be resigned.  2021 season salaries are 2M under the 2020 cap. The rollover 1yr cap is no more than 18M.. you may recognize this as Baker's expected 5th year (2022) salary.

    To be clear: When their salaries rise and no rollover cap exists to take up that rise .... other positions become less skilled.

    @sdbacker80 said:

    And it’s been alleged by a Cap guru

    Did you look in a mirror and flex while typing that?

    It's OK though - don't bother posting links or being clear about the dollars you're asserting. Vague nonspecificity clickbait trolling does add confusion, though!

    @unsympathetic said:

    And for the 42106th time, we have Chubb and Ward and Baker all on rookie deals needing to be resigned.  2021 season salaries are 2M under the 2020 cap. The rollover 1yr cap is no more than 18M.. you may recognize this as Baker's expected 5th year (2022) salary.

    To be clear: When their salaries rise and no rollover cap exists to take up that rise .... other positions become less skilled.

    Did you look in a mirror and flex while typing that?

    It's OK though - don't bother posting links or being clear about the dollars you're asserting. Vague nonspecificity clickbait trolling does add confusion, though!


    Flex in mirror - wow.  Relax Karen.  

    Wait are Chubb Ward and Baker deals counting heavily on 2021 Cap?  We haven’t extended them. We will likely extend at least 2 of 3 maybe all three and the extension will hit the team hard perhaps in 2022 and 2023. We can even get creative with how the deals impact the cap moving forward - I’m sure you know that. 

    Im not a cap expert.  I cited someone yesterday.  Quoted on team cites all the the NFL, Forbes etc.  I’m sure if he’s off 100k you will tell me. 

    not being a jerk but can you tell us the following: 
    Again has the 2021 cap been set?

    Can you calculate how much rollover cap we have?

    Can you tell us if we can use the rollover cap next season?

    Do we know Baker’s Chubb’s and Ward’s salary for next year?