The "It's-later-than-you-think" 2021 Mock Draft Thread

[Tour2ma]

@ballpeen said:

I like that trades have been disabled. 

DraftNetwork's trades were reasonable as opposed to FirstPick's tradefests.

[Tour2ma]

Looking into my latest effort more and I really it...

• Bolton (ILB, Missou)... addressed him in tia's Prospect thread... he's the modern MIKE.
• Basham (Edge, Wake)... besides being a great name for an Edge he has 4-3 size (6'4, 275), power and pass-rush tech. Not a burst-guy, edge bender, but has decent speed.
• Tuipulotu (IDL, USC)... every team needs a Samoan IDL... he's 6'4, 295 stout against the run with agility, a strong bull rush and a high-motor.
• Sermon (RB, tOSU)... had no plans to take him, but sitting there around this pick? He's my "Chubb got too expensive" insurance policy.
• Huhanga (S, USC)... at 6'1, 215 he feels more like a SS/hybrid LB, also lacks FS speed with mid-4.5s 40 speed, but reportedly hits hard and should be a ST standout
• Schwartz (WR, Auburn)... 6'0, 187 and runs in the mid-4.3s and is quick as well as fast... route tree needs work and body needs mass... developmental WR.
• Mond (QB, TAMU)... cause DePo told me to... plus "you should always be looking for your next QB" is my motto, so who better than my 2020 "Darkhorse"... great mechanics.

Only did five rounds as site was acting up last night... In rounds 6 and 7 Trevor Lawrence was being taken every third pick...

And @tiamat63 your CB, Vincent, went a couple picks before I took Huhanga in the 4th. I had my eye on him and per their ranking he should have still comfortably been there for our 2nd, 4th-round pick.

[tiamat63]

@tour2ma said:

Looking into my latest effort more and I really it...

• Bolton (ILB, Missou)... addressed him in tia's Prospect thread... he's the modern MIKE.
• Basham (Edge, Wake)... besides being a great name for an Edge he has 4-3 size (6'4, 275), power and pass-rush tech. Not a burst-guy, edge bender, but has decent speed.
• Tuipulotu (IDL, USC)... every team needs a Samoan IDL... he's 6'4, 295 stout against the run with agility, a strong bull rush and a high-motor.
• Sermon (RB, tOSU)... had no plans to take him, but sitting there around this pick? He's my "Chubb got too expensive" insurance policy.
• Huhanga (S, USC)... at 6'1, 215 he feels more like a SS/hybrid LB, also lacks FS speed with mid-4.5s 40 speed, but reportedly hits hard and should be a ST standout
• Schwartz (WR, Auburn)... 6'0, 187 and runs in the mid-4.3s and is quick as well as fast... route tree needs work and body needs mass... developmental WR.
• Mond (QB, TAMU)... cause DePo told me to... plus "you should always be looking for your next QB" is my motto, so who better than my 2020 "Darkhorse"... great mechanics.

Only did five rounds as site was acting up last night... In rounds 6 and 7 Trevor Lawrence was being taken every third pick...

And @tiamat63 your CB, Vincent, went a couple picks before I took Huhanga in the 4th. I had my eye on him and per their ranking he should have still comfortably been there for our 2nd, 4th-round pick.

Was told Huhanga is the next Su'a Cravens.   Haven't been able to confirm that on film yet.

But yes, Kary most likely won't go before the late 3rd because of the "slot" label.

[SdBacker80]

@tiamat63 said:

No, I haven't.  You're thinking of @calfoxwc reference to Owawu (spell check) from ND.  

I'm going through DB's I like first. I'm still wrapping up Kary Vincent.  At the urging of a friend who texted me, I'll be moving on to Cal's boy 2nd in my viewings.

Don’t forget Jack Sanborn.  ILB Wisconsin.  He impressed me against OSU 2019-2020 season 

Scratch it.  He’s returning. 

[Tour2ma]

Did a 7-rounder today... and Trevor Lawrence was only selected 5 or 6 time in the 7th round... ... I'd say they have a glitch.

DraftNetwork's fee for Premium in only $25 (round numbers).... and you get a lot more than trading in their Mock Machine.

Anyway here's the latest. Some picks were the same... some not.

• Bolton (same)... my MIKE...
• Holland (FS, Oregon)... DraftNet's write up on the kid is to say the least glowing.
• Tuipulotu (same)... versatile, 3-down IDL
• Jones II (Edge, Pitt)... while not as keen on him as some here due to frame questions, he looks to be a great, Round 3 value.
• Vincent, Jr. (CB, DBU)... for @tiamat63 (see write up on him below)
• Imatorbhebhe (WR, Illinois)... our new biggun... 6'2, 215 with good speed and agility.
• Mond (same)... love me some Darkhorse QB draftin'
• Darden (WR, North Texas)... our new, 5'9, 170# waterbug described as having "elite levels of twitch".
• Morrissey (IOL, Pitt)... 6'3, 300# "technician" in PassPro and ZBS.

[tiamat63]

@tour2ma said:

Did a 7-rounder today... and Trevor Lawrence was only selected 5 or 6 time in the 7th round... ... I'd say they have a glitch.

DraftNetwork's fee for Premium in only $25 (round numbers).... and you get a lot more than trading in their Mock Machine.

Anyway here's the latest. Some picks were the same... some not.

• Bolton (same)... my MIKE...
• Holland (FS, Oregon)... DraftNet's write up on the kid is to say the least glowing.
• Tuipulotu (same)... versatile, 3-down IDL
• Jones II (Edge, Pitt)... while not as keen on him as some here due to frame questions, he looks to be a great, Round 3 value.
• Vincent, Jr. (CB, DBU)... for @tiamat63 (see write up on him below)
• Imatorbhebhe (WR, Illinois)... our new biggun... 6'2, 215 with good speed and agility.
• Mond (same)... love me some Darkhorse QB draftin'
• Darden (WR, North Texas)... our new, 5'9, 170# waterbug described as having "elite levels of twitch".
• Morrissey (IOL, Pitt)... 6'3, 300# "technician" in PassPro and ZBS.

The pros look good.  The "route anticipation" part doesn't sit with me.  I've seen the calls LSU makes (currently time stamping the LSU-Texas game) and I'm not overly fond of their alignments against trips. 

Against UCF when Greedy sat out, Kary played on the perimeter almost exclusively and showed some great footwork & hip fluidity.   I tend to lead towards the "trail" being about athletic ability. And that's why I bring up some one like Jaire Alexander who plays somewhat similar.   Staying on top as a smaller corner is a good way to get boxed out by bigger receivers.  So why not trail and use my speed + vertical to force not only the WR, but the QB to beat me with ball placement? 

He does get hung up on blocks when engaged, but he's 5'10... It's the trade off.  When he has an open alley he looks quite aggressive downhill. I even tagged the instances in the clip I linked when I first watched him.   Have to disagree with Marino on that part.

His draw back is what it is - size.    I'm  willing to live wirh that in a pass happy NFL.   I can always put him on a hash in base ala what you're seeing with KC as we type.

[Tour2ma]

Speed kills..

Meanwhile... took FanSpeak's mock out for a spin using DraftTek's rankings (you chose from about a half dozen) and rankings still vary widely... to say the least.

• First surprise was my first pick: Barmore still there at #26.
• An even bigger surprise with Collins falling to Pick 59... I took him as my Will and situational MG bookend.
• Hufanga at #89 is a name from my DraftNetwork mocks; he had a higher ranking here. He can play both Safety spots, but seems headed for FS.
• Next came a LB pair... tsun's McGrone and tOSU's Werner... I think I'll assign them to be roommates... McGrone will be my MIKE while Werner works mostly as my SAM, but backs up both other LB roles.
• Another Safety at #129, and one I think I scouted last year... at any rate he's a 6'0, 200#, SS candidate with some FS potential and a ton of ST potential.
• A pair of WRs next, a true Mutt & Jeff (look it up kids) pair... Eskridge is a 5'9, 190# ankle-breaker while Grimes is 6'4, 215# with sub-4-4 speed (estimated).
• Wells is a big TE, 6'4, 250# I know nothing about other than he went to TCU and they pass a lot... I was just ready for the mock to be over and  there wasn't a QB/RB/IOL/OT I was remotely interested in...

Both tia's CB, Vincent, and my QB, Mond were taken a couple slots before I was poised to take them. Both were dipped out of the pile well above their ranking. Just made me look at more players I'd not read about. So my file and list of players to scout is growing nicely.

[TexasAg1969]

I don't think Collins will be there in the 2nd round either. He would be more likely to go even before our first pick IMO.

[tiamat63]

Dearest Gipper,

Since I was several weeks ahead of the experts in calling that Fields being the lock at #2 was shaky and given Wilson's tape the speculation would start after the NU game....   Does this make me an "expert"? 

[The Gipper]

If I recall, you actually said that Fields could drop out the top half of the first round.  And all I said was that  most of the "experts"  and that most mock drafts  still had him in the Top 5. Which they may still do.   I have not checked lately.  I also said don't be surprised if Zach Wilson jumps over Fields, not because Fields would be "demoted" its just that  people would begin to see how good Wilson could be..   I also said that if you think about it,  after  Lawrence, the next team that needed a QB may not be until pick 9 with Carolina....if NYJ decided to stick with Darnold.

A lot  of that has changed now.  Lions want to move Stafford, so they at 7 will be in the market (I think that is where Kiper has Fields going).     Could Philly at  6 want a QB also?  And Kiper has the Falcons taking  Wilson at #4.   I had no inkling that ATL might have wanted to do that....but it makes some sense. New GM, new coach....they may want a new QB...like Detroit. 

[SdBacker80]

I’ll be shocked if Fields is outside of the Top 10.
You have his hometown team at 4.

Maybe Philly 

Carolina

Detroit

Possibly Denver.

Maybe NE moves up. 

He needs time - he could have used some more game reps but there is no denying the guy has some tools.  

[Tour2ma]

@texasag1969 said:

I don't think Collins will be there in the 2nd round either. He would be more likely to go even before our first pick IMO.

I thought you were a DraftTek disciple?

[TexasAg1969]

@tour2ma said:

I thought you were a DraftTek disciple?

Most of the time. ? Just not this time. But I would not mind Bolton either as out 1st rounder.

[Unsympathetic]

This one gets us pretty good pretty quick on defense.. Nasirildeen is this season's Simmons.

26. Zaven Collins LB, Tulsa
58. Carlos Basham Jr. EDGE, Wake Forest
89. Baron Browning LB, Ohio State
91. Hamsah Nasirildeen S, Florida State
110. Hunter Long TE, Boston College
130. Rashad Weaver EDGE, Pittsburgh
168. Josh Imatorbhebhe WR, Illinois
206. Bryce Thompson CB, Tennessee
250. Chris Rumph II EDGE, Duke

More about Rumph

Imatorbhebhe and Thompson have #1 potential which is really all you can ask for from day3's

[Browns149]

@unsympathetic said:

This one gets us pretty good pretty quick on defense.. Nasirildeen is this season's Simmons.

26. Zaven Collins LB, Tulsa
58. Carlos Basham Jr. EDGE, Wake Forest
89. Baron Browning LB, Ohio State
91. Hamsah Nasirildeen S, Florida State
110. Hunter Long TE, Boston College
130. Rashad Weaver EDGE, Pittsburgh
168. Josh Imatorbhebhe WR, Illinois
206. Bryce Thompson CB, Tennessee
250. Chris Rumph II EDGE, Duke

More about Rumph

Imatorbhebhe and Thompson have #1 potential which is really all you can ask for from day3's

Not sure Imatorbhebhe will be there. I would think he goes way way before that. WR is more important then Db at this point

[Tour2ma]

@unsympathetic said:

89. Baron Browning LB, Ohio State

Do you think Browning has the goods to be a Mike at the next level?

[Unsympathetic]

Writeup on Browning - "his strengths can't be taught and his weaknesses appear correctable".  Never a bad thing to grab a year's #1 LB [of the class going into college]

[Tour2ma]

@unsympathetic said:

Never a bad thing to grab a year's #1 LB [of the class going into college]

Even if he did not develop in college?

He's physically gifted to be sure, but lesser athletes out produced him at tOSU... and not by a little.

[ballpeen]

@tour2ma said:

Do you think Browning has the goods to be a Mike at the next level?

Based on everything we have read about Woods and the D he would like to run, I don't think a "mike" is what we are going to be looking for.  Why draft a player high who you are probably going to march off the field 40% of the time?

JMO

[Unsympathetic]

At least one of these WR should be worth keeping.. last two have elite athleticism to improve ST/backup spots

26.  Zaven Collins LB, Tulsa
58.  Jevon Holland S, Oregon
89.  Israel Mukuamu CB, South Carolina
91.  Marvin Wilson IDL, Florida State
110. Patrick Jones II EDGE, Pittsburgh
130. Josh Imatorbhebhe WR, Illinois
168. Austin Watkins WR, UAB
206. Chris Rumph II EDGE, Duke
250. Adam Anderson LB, Georgia