JJ Watt to Cardinals
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regarding J. J. Watt - I'd say no. Not just the cap - but the draft choices it would take would hurt the Browns down the road.
and after only one year, ??? He could retire, live well, and the Browns end up on the short end of the stick, and the Texans would
be ready to roll, more cap space, a bunch of valuable draft picks...
nope. Berry won't play that game. Thank goodness Dorsey is gone..........
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if I had my choice
You don't.
We have exactly 2 million in non-rollover cap space.. and that's assuming the cap does not decrease from 2020.
It makes for a much less entertaining thread, but the entire concept that the Browns "Have Cap Space" is at best misinformation - aka clickbait.
You don't.
We have exactly 2 million in non-rollover cap space.. and that's assuming the cap does not decrease from 2020.
It makes for a much less entertaining thread, but the entire concept that the Browns "Have Cap Space" is at best misinformation - aka clickbait.
Well he is coming off a Achilles injury, and has a injury history, 1 year prove it deal. Just like all the other prove it deals.
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And I responded to your fake guru yesterday. Now that we're done insulting each other, let's get back to ignoring people who don't actually pay attention to Cleveland.
are Chubb Ward and Baker deals counting heavily on 2021 Cap
Chubb 4.2, Ward 9.5, Baker 10.6
Again has the 2021 cap been set?
No, and the floor is 175.. more of a drop than our rollover cap can take up.
Can you calculate how much rollover cap we have?
18.0M at present -- what OTC shows. Yes, we had 30 in the last month of the season.. and the one deal done since then was Garrett's. Hard to know all the puts and takes from an accounting perspective because that's the detail in each contract - both current and future [due to when bonuses hit]. So it's a bit opaque - you can't track 100% correctly unless you know every detail. This also means other articles are guesswork -- that's why "Browns Rollover Numbers" are different in different sources.
Can't know if "Browns rollover" is 38M or OTC is taking that 38M down to 18 because it's assuming the salary cap is 20M less than the 2020 level.. they're not clear on their formulas, perhaps deliberately so someone would pay to have more info.
During the season we know the salaries and players on roster so it's easy to see what's "this year's space" [cap - total unused for current year, all the rest is rollover] but future yrs are always obscure.
Can you tell us if we can use the rollover cap next season?
Yes, but it's only one year. So if you extended JJ watt's 17.5M deal.. in 2021 we'd be fine but come 2022 we'd be 17.5M over the cap before resigning those 3.
2021 total salary costs are not far enough below the 2020 salary cap to sign all our draft picks.. and people are talking about signing top free agents? Dude.. the talk has been about decreasing the cap, not increasing it.. in which case someone would have to get cut just to sign those draft picks.
And Hubbard may get cut to sign our draft picks. But FYI.. the talk should be about cutting guys, we're nowhere near having massive space.
The point of saving rollover cap for resigning contracts is to use that rollover cap for signing bonuses for any player(s).. thus decreasing their cap hit for the future years of contracts.
Do we know Baker’s Chubb’s and Ward’s salary for next year?
Chubb 4.2, Ward 9.5, Baker 10.6
And I responded to your fake guru yesterday. Now that we're done insulting each other, let's get back to ignoring people who don't actually pay attention to Cleveland.
Chubb 4.2, Ward 9.5, Baker 10.6
No, and the floor is 175.. more of a drop than our rollover cap can take up.
18.0M at present -- what OTC shows. Yes, we had 30 in the last month of the season.. and the one deal done since then was Garrett's. Hard to know all the puts and takes from an accounting perspective because that's the detail in each contract - both current and future [due to when bonuses hit]. So it's a bit opaque - you can't track 100% correctly unless you know every detail. This also means other articles are guesswork -- that's why "Browns Rollover Numbers" are different in different sources.
Can't know if "Browns rollover" is 38M or OTC is taking that 38M down to 18 because it's assuming the salary cap is 20M less than the 2020 level.. they're not clear on their formulas, perhaps deliberately so someone would pay to have more info.
During the season we know the salaries and players on roster so it's easy to see what's "this year's space" [cap - total unused for current year, all the rest is rollover] but future yrs are always obscure.
Yes, but it's only one year. So if you extended JJ watt's 17.5M deal.. in 2021 we'd be fine but come 2022 we'd be 17.5M over the cap before resigning those 3.
2021 total salary costs are not far enough below the 2020 salary cap to sign all our draft picks.. and people are talking about signing top free agents? Dude.. the talk has been about decreasing the cap, not increasing it.. in which case someone would have to get cut just to sign those draft picks.
And Hubbard may get cut to sign our draft picks. But FYI.. the talk should be about cutting guys, we're nowhere near having massive space.
The point of saving rollover cap for resigning contracts is to use that rollover cap for signing bonuses for any player(s).. thus decreasing their cap hit for the future years of contracts.
Chubb 4.2, Ward 9.5, Baker 10.6
I questioned you and you didn’t take to kindly to it and threw what appeared to be a tantrum. PSA it’s okay to be questioned.
Moving on...
I saw that Chubb Ward and Baker accounted for a little over 19M on the cap 2020.2021 by your calculations - 24M. So we are adding approximately 5M with their current contracts.
Also I don’t want JJ past 2021. I think the more likely scenario he’s traded to a team fulfills the last year of his contract and is a Free Agent in 2022 where he could join the other Watts in Pitt under a discount. I
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And I responded to your fake guru yesterday. Now that we're done insulting each other, let's get back to ignoring people who don't actually pay attention to Cleveland.
Chubb 4.2, Ward 9.5, Baker 10.6
No, and the floor is 175.. more of a drop than our rollover cap can take up.
18.0M at present -- what OTC shows. Yes, we had 30 in the last month of the season.. and the one deal done since then was Garrett's. Hard to know all the puts and takes from an accounting perspective because that's the detail in each contract - both current and future [due to when bonuses hit]. So it's a bit opaque - you can't track 100% correctly unless you know every detail. This also means other articles are guesswork -- that's why "Browns Rollover Numbers" are different in different sources.
Can't know if "Browns rollover" is 38M or OTC is taking that 38M down to 18 because it's assuming the salary cap is 20M less than the 2020 level.. they're not clear on their formulas, perhaps deliberately so someone would pay to have more info.
During the season we know the salaries and players on roster so it's easy to see what's "this year's space" [cap - total unused for current year, all the rest is rollover] but future yrs are always obscure.
Yes, but it's only one year. So if you extended JJ watt's 17.5M deal.. in 2021 we'd be fine but come 2022 we'd be 17.5M over the cap before resigning those 3.
2021 total salary costs are not far enough below the 2020 salary cap to sign all our draft picks.. and people are talking about signing top free agents? Dude.. the talk has been about decreasing the cap, not increasing it.. in which case someone would have to get cut just to sign those draft picks.
And Hubbard may get cut to sign our draft picks. But FYI.. the talk should be about cutting guys, we're nowhere near having massive space.
The point of saving rollover cap for resigning contracts is to use that rollover cap for signing bonuses for any player(s).. thus decreasing their cap hit for the future years of contracts.
Chubb 4.2, Ward 9.5, Baker 10.6
I questioned you and you didn’t take to kindly to it and threw what appeared to be a tantrum. PSA it’s okay to be questioned.
Moving on...
I saw that Chubb Ward and Baker accounted for a little over 19M on the cap 2020.2021 by your calculations - 24M. So we are adding approximately 5M with their current contracts.
Also I don’t want JJ past 2021. I think the more likely scenario he’s traded to a team fulfills the last year of his contract and is a Free Agent in 2022 where he could join the other Watts in Pitt under a discount. I
I questioned you and you didn’t take to kindly to it and threw what appeared to be a tantrum. PSA it’s okay to be questioned
Same goes for you, asshole. You made 2 different posts of the same link in 12 minutes right after my post "just asking" if the info in your link was either a lie or fake news - BEFORE i tired of your shit. You called me a liar - and are then shocked that I respond? GTFO.
You calling me a liar on page 2 of this thread was you.. not taking kindly to me questioning you actually quite calmly.. and throwing a tantrum.
You are not special. You are going to be questioned whether you like or accept it or not.
You're well within your "rights" to continue believing whatever you want, of course! Whether or not it actually matches reality is a very different question.
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And I responded to your fake guru yesterday. Now that we're done insulting each other, let's get back to ignoring people who don't actually pay attention to Cleveland.
Chubb 4.2, Ward 9.5, Baker 10.6
No, and the floor is 175.. more of a drop than our rollover cap can take up.
18.0M at present -- what OTC shows. Yes, we had 30 in the last month of the season.. and the one deal done since then was Garrett's. Hard to know all the puts and takes from an accounting perspective because that's the detail in each contract - both current and future [due to when bonuses hit]. So it's a bit opaque - you can't track 100% correctly unless you know every detail. This also means other articles are guesswork -- that's why "Browns Rollover Numbers" are different in different sources.
Can't know if "Browns rollover" is 38M or OTC is taking that 38M down to 18 because it's assuming the salary cap is 20M less than the 2020 level.. they're not clear on their formulas, perhaps deliberately so someone would pay to have more info.
During the season we know the salaries and players on roster so it's easy to see what's "this year's space" [cap - total unused for current year, all the rest is rollover] but future yrs are always obscure.
Yes, but it's only one year. So if you extended JJ watt's 17.5M deal.. in 2021 we'd be fine but come 2022 we'd be 17.5M over the cap before resigning those 3.
2021 total salary costs are not far enough below the 2020 salary cap to sign all our draft picks.. and people are talking about signing top free agents? Dude.. the talk has been about decreasing the cap, not increasing it.. in which case someone would have to get cut just to sign those draft picks.
And Hubbard may get cut to sign our draft picks. But FYI.. the talk should be about cutting guys, we're nowhere near having massive space.
The point of saving rollover cap for resigning contracts is to use that rollover cap for signing bonuses for any player(s).. thus decreasing their cap hit for the future years of contracts.
Chubb 4.2, Ward 9.5, Baker 10.6
I questioned you and you didn’t take to kindly to it and threw what appeared to be a tantrum. PSA it’s okay to be questioned.
Moving on...
I saw that Chubb Ward and Baker accounted for a little over 19M on the cap 2020.2021 by your calculations - 24M. So we are adding approximately 5M with their current contracts.
Also I don’t want JJ past 2021. I think the more likely scenario he’s traded to a team fulfills the last year of his contract and is a Free Agent in 2022 where he could join the other Watts in Pitt under a discount. I
Also I don’t want JJ past 2021. I think the more likely scenario he’s traded to a team fulfills the last year of his contract and is a Free Agent in 2022 where he could join the other Watts in Pitt under a discount.
Only rationale that fits this approach... being willing to trade for a one-year, player rental... is if you think JJ is the last piece needed for a SB run.
He might be that for some team, maybe even a couple teams, but IMO not us...
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Also I don’t want JJ past 2021. I think the more likely scenario he’s traded to a team fulfills the last year of his contract and is a Free Agent in 2022 where he could join the other Watts in Pitt under a discount.
Only rationale that fits this approach... being willing to trade for a one-year, player rental... is if you think JJ is the last piece needed for a SB run.
He might be that for some team, maybe even a couple teams, but IMO not us...
Only rationale that fits this approach... being willing to trade for a one-year, player rental... is if you think JJ is the last piece needed for a SB run.
He might be that for some team, maybe even a couple teams, but IMO not us...
Tampa Bay may answer that question for us.
Best I can figure, KC is the gate-keeper for the AFC. Want to play for a Superbowl? You have to go through them.
The Bucs have two good pass rushers. If they end up forcing Mahomes into playing uncharacteristically bad then the rest of the conference is going to take serious notice. Especially with Fischer being scratched against the Bills.
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Also I don’t want JJ past 2021. I think the more likely scenario he’s traded to a team fulfills the last year of his contract and is a Free Agent in 2022 where he could join the other Watts in Pitt under a discount.
Only rationale that fits this approach... being willing to trade for a one-year, player rental... is if you think JJ is the last piece needed for a SB run.
He might be that for some team, maybe even a couple teams, but IMO not us...
Only rationale that fits this approach... being willing to trade for a one-year, player rental... is if you think JJ is the last piece needed for a SB run.
He might be that for some team, maybe even a couple teams, but IMO not us...
I think we have some work just to get back to where we were - and we did piss away a big opportunity.
Let’s use 8 picks add some athletes on defense and a weapon on offense. Use a 3rd or 4th on JJ and let’s see the Chiefs again.
We can be that team!!!
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Almost forgot, actually did forget. We have this guy coming off IR for next season. We may already have Vernon's replacement.
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Like most, I too, hope Curtis Weaver can contribute.. I've watched loads of his college film, including this ^^ from above....
Just something I saw? or maybe I'm just wrong? Spend about 5 minutes watching this Video^^
A) Than name one college tackle that Weaver played against that has had any success in the NFL?
B.) See any Tackles in this video that maybe worth drafting? (might be some of the worse)
1) Most reports say Dolphins made a mistake IR'ing this guy with no protection...2.) Maybe the Dolphins saw enough once he saw some real comp...?
stay tuned..We paid a 4th rounder.... I know I'll be interested...
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Weaver is a lottery ticket.
I don’t like relying on guys that have come off of season long injuries the next season...Delpit, Weaver, Greedy.
If they play well next season - great. But they are all plan B type guys to me
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To echo what SD said -
Weaver is a physically maxed out motor type player who lacks elite burst, arm length and bend for an edge. There's a good reason, despite being PFF's highest graded edge his final season (at least, I'm pretty sure he was) that he was taken in the late 5th round.
On top of that, he suffered a season ending injury his rookie year.
It would be a feat just to make the team at this point.
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To echo what SD said -
Weaver is a physically maxed out motor type player who lacks elite burst, arm length and bend for an edge. There's a good reason, despite being PFF's highest graded edge his final season (at least, I'm pretty sure he was) that he was taken in the late 5th round.
On top of that, he suffered a season ending injury his rookie year.
It would be a feat just to make the team at this point.
To echo what SD said -
Weaver is a physically maxed out motor type player who lacks elite burst, arm length and bend for an edge. There's a good reason, despite being PFF's highest graded edge his final season (at least, I'm pretty sure he was) that he was taken in the late 5th round.
On top of that, he suffered a season ending injury his rookie year.
It would be a feat just to make the team at this point.
I'm totally blanking on his name, but he sounds like the financial wizard who said "fuck" more times than Joe Pesci in a Martin Scorsese movie from Penn State that the Browns had a few years ago. He had a ton of sacks his senior year at PSU, but was somewhat limited athletically. Has had a decent career as a depth guy.
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^^^^^^
Carl Nassib 
i can call todd haley Toad ?
Here's Ogbah, finally getting to a QB last season
Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 66 56 0 0 0 0 25 6 0 3 0 0 27.0 196 118 78 28 61 28 3 yrs CLE 40 40 0 0 0 0 17 2 0 2 0 0 12.5 122 70 52 16 29 17 1 yr KAN 10 4 0 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 5.5 32 23 9 6 11 3 1 yr MIA 16 12 0 0 0 0 5 3 0 1 0 0 9.0 42 25 17 6 21 8 2016 23 CLE RDE 90 16 16 0 0 0 0 3 5.5 53 28 25 8 16 6 2017 24 CLE RDE 90 10 10 0 0 0 0 6 2 0 1 0 0 4.0 29 18 11 5 5 4 2018 25 CLE RDE 90 14 14 0 0 0 0 8 0 0 1 0 0 3.0 40 24 16 3 8 7 2019 26 KAN /de 90 10 4 0 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 5.5 32 23 9 6 11 3 2020 27 MIA DE 91 16 12 0 0 0 0 5 3 0 1 0 0 9.0 42 25 17 6 21 8 1 year left at Mia. at a 7.4 cost
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To echo what SD said -
Weaver is a physically maxed out motor type player who lacks elite burst, arm length and bend for an edge. There's a good reason, despite being PFF's highest graded edge his final season (at least, I'm pretty sure he was) that he was taken in the late 5th round.
On top of that, he suffered a season ending injury his rookie year.
It would be a feat just to make the team at this point.
I'm totally blanking on his name, but he sounds like the financial wizard who said "fuck" more times than Joe Pesci in a Martin Scorsese movie from Penn State that the Browns had a few years ago. He had a ton of sacks his senior year at PSU, but was somewhat limited athletically. Has had a decent career as a depth guy.
I'm totally blanking on his name, but he sounds like the financial wizard who said "fuck" more times than Joe Pesci in a Martin Scorsese movie from Penn State that the Browns had a few years ago. He had a ton of sacks his senior year at PSU, but was somewhat limited athletically. Has had a decent career as a depth guy.
Reminded me of Michael Sam except that everyone saw his limitations...
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I'm totally blanking on his name, but he sounds like the financial wizard who said "fuck" more times than Joe Pesci in a Martin Scorsese movie from Penn State that the Browns had a few years ago. He had a ton of sacks his senior year at PSU, but was somewhat limited athletically. Has had a decent career as a depth guy.
Not sure how far back you are talking about. Penn St. DL Browns have drafted:
Carl Nassib
Courtney Brown
And that is it, even going back to the 50s
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Resign Vernon, Acquire JJ and there you have a nice rotation at RE. Our pass rush was non existent without Vernon and JJ is still far better than anything we have behind Vernon.
This won't happen.
JJ has one season left - is it possible to sign him using all of our rollover cap? Yes!
And then once 2022 comes around.. we have zero cap space of any sort, Chubb and Ward's rookie contracts are up, and we get nothing for JJ leaving because he's no longer under contract.
Current salary already committed for 2021: 196M. Cap for 2020 was 198M. That difference [198-196, aka 2] is our true [long-term] cap space.
The reason it won't happen is that we need that rollover cap to keep getting rolled over so we can re-sign Chubb, Ward, and Baker to deals that allow us to continue to keep good players around them for many years not just one. As we have seen, Ward can't be the only non-replacement-level DB.
If we hadn't signed Kenny Britt and TJ Carrie, we'd have at least 25M more to roll over..
This won't happen.
JJ has one season left - is it possible to sign him using all of our rollover cap? Yes!
And then once 2022 comes around.. we have zero cap space of any sort, Chubb and Ward's rookie contracts are up, and we get nothing for JJ leaving because he's no longer under contract.
Current salary already committed for 2021: 196M. Cap for 2020 was 198M. That difference [198-196, aka 2] is our true [long-term] cap space.
The reason it won't happen is that we need that rollover cap to keep getting rolled over so we can re-sign Chubb, Ward, and Baker to deals that allow us to continue to keep good players around them for many years not just one. As we have seen, Ward can't be the only non-replacement-level DB.
If we hadn't signed Kenny Britt and TJ Carrie, we'd have at least 25M more to roll over..
I am not sure where you are getting your cap numbers from. We are rolling over like 30 million. That roll over I believe has to go through some approval/vetting by the NFL before it becomes official. Also, multiple sites have us at 17 million plus cap space for 2021 and that assumes 175 million cap. So there is money there. And we havent extended Baker yet because I don't think you can do such negotiations until after the 3rd yr. Baker and Denzel don't have to be extended this yr, although doing so will probably be better in the long term then waiting. As for JJ, I wouldn't trade for him unless there is an agreement to redo his contract, 17m is just too much. But I would take him at around 10m or 20m over two.
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This won't happen.
JJ has one season left - is it possible to sign him using all of our rollover cap? Yes!
And then once 2022 comes around.. we have zero cap space of any sort, Chubb and Ward's rookie contracts are up, and we get nothing for JJ leaving because he's no longer under contract.
Current salary already committed for 2021: 196M. Cap for 2020 was 198M. That difference [198-196, aka 2] is our true [long-term] cap space.
The reason it won't happen is that we need that rollover cap to keep getting rolled over so we can re-sign Chubb, Ward, and Baker to deals that allow us to continue to keep good players around them for many years not just one. As we have seen, Ward can't be the only non-replacement-level DB.
If we hadn't signed Kenny Britt and TJ Carrie, we'd have at least 25M more to roll over..
I am not sure where you are getting your cap numbers from. We are rolling over like 30 million. That roll over I believe has to go through some approval/vetting by the NFL before it becomes official. Also, multiple sites have us at 17 million plus cap space for 2021 and that assumes 175 million cap. So there is money there. And we havent extended Baker yet because I don't think you can do such negotiations until after the 3rd yr. Baker and Denzel don't have to be extended this yr, although doing so will probably be better in the long term then waiting. As for JJ, I wouldn't trade for him unless there is an agreement to redo his contract, 17m is just too much. But I would take him at around 10m or 20m over two.
I am not sure where you are getting your cap numbers from. We are rolling over like 30 million. That roll over I believe has to go through some approval/vetting by the NFL before it becomes official. Also, multiple sites have us at 17 million plus cap space for 2021 and that assumes 175 million cap. So there is money there. And we havent extended Baker yet because I don't think you can do such negotiations until after the 3rd yr. Baker and Denzel don't have to be extended this yr, although doing so will probably be better in the long term then waiting. As for JJ, I wouldn't trade for him unless there is an agreement to redo his contract, 17m is just too much. But I would take him at around 10m or 20m over two.
Yep!!!
If Baker, Chubb and Ward are not extended prior to this season ALL Three of their salaries will have a 4M increase to our cap.
And Correct, we have roll over money more than most teams and we had a discussion on here a few weeks ago folks were saying we had no cap.
THE CAP has NOT been set. And to further that point there is talk that it could be 175M there is other rumors it could be 188M.
And no one is asking nor is JJ Watt asking for a multi year deal. In fact, he’s on record prior to the Texan mess saying he wants to play out his contract.
From that I gather 1) he wants to play alongside his family in 2022 or 2) he wants to retire.
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I am not sure where you are getting your cap numbers from. We are rolling over like 30 million. That roll over I believe has to go through some approval/vetting by the NFL before it becomes official. Also, multiple sites have us at 17 million plus cap space for 2021 and that assumes 175 million cap. So there is money there. And we havent extended Baker yet because I don't think you can do such negotiations until after the 3rd yr. Baker and Denzel don't have to be extended this yr, although doing so will probably be better in the long term then waiting. As for JJ, I wouldn't trade for him unless there is an agreement to redo his contract, 17m is just too much. But I would take him at around 10m or 20m over two.
Yep!!!
If Baker, Chubb and Ward are not extended prior to this season ALL Three of their salaries will have a 4M increase to our cap.
And Correct, we have roll over money more than most teams and we had a discussion on here a few weeks ago folks were saying we had no cap.
THE CAP has NOT been set. And to further that point there is talk that it could be 175M there is other rumors it could be 188M.
And no one is asking nor is JJ Watt asking for a multi year deal. In fact, he’s on record prior to the Texan mess saying he wants to play out his contract.
From that I gather 1) he wants to play alongside his family in 2022 or 2) he wants to retire.
Yep!!!
If Baker, Chubb and Ward are not extended prior to this season ALL Three of their salaries will have a 4M increase to our cap.
And Correct, we have roll over money more than most teams and we had a discussion on here a few weeks ago folks were saying we had no cap.
THE CAP has NOT been set. And to further that point there is talk that it could be 175M there is other rumors it could be 188M.
And no one is asking nor is JJ Watt asking for a multi year deal. In fact, he’s on record prior to the Texan mess saying he wants to play out his contract.
From that I gather 1) he wants to play alongside his family in 2022 or 2) he wants to retire.
Well he might retire then, no way the Steelers can afford him they are already under water with the cap. I also heard that the NFL and NFLPA might agree to higher cap number to help teams out, so your 188m figure might be close to correct.
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This won't happen.
JJ has one season left - is it possible to sign him using all of our rollover cap? Yes!
And then once 2022 comes around.. we have zero cap space of any sort, Chubb and Ward's rookie contracts are up, and we get nothing for JJ leaving because he's no longer under contract.
Current salary already committed for 2021: 196M. Cap for 2020 was 198M. That difference [198-196, aka 2] is our true [long-term] cap space.
The reason it won't happen is that we need that rollover cap to keep getting rolled over so we can re-sign Chubb, Ward, and Baker to deals that allow us to continue to keep good players around them for many years not just one. As we have seen, Ward can't be the only non-replacement-level DB.
If we hadn't signed Kenny Britt and TJ Carrie, we'd have at least 25M more to roll over..
I am not sure where you are getting your cap numbers from. We are rolling over like 30 million. That roll over I believe has to go through some approval/vetting by the NFL before it becomes official. Also, multiple sites have us at 17 million plus cap space for 2021 and that assumes 175 million cap. So there is money there. And we havent extended Baker yet because I don't think you can do such negotiations until after the 3rd yr. Baker and Denzel don't have to be extended this yr, although doing so will probably be better in the long term then waiting. As for JJ, I wouldn't trade for him unless there is an agreement to redo his contract, 17m is just too much. But I would take him at around 10m or 20m over two.
I am not sure where you are getting your cap numbers from. We are rolling over like 30 million. That roll over I believe has to go through some approval/vetting by the NFL before it becomes official. Also, multiple sites have us at 17 million plus cap space for 2021 and that assumes 175 million cap. So there is money there. And we havent extended Baker yet because I don't think you can do such negotiations until after the 3rd yr. Baker and Denzel don't have to be extended this yr, although doing so will probably be better in the long term then waiting. As for JJ, I wouldn't trade for him unless there is an agreement to redo his contract, 17m is just too much. But I would take him at around 10m or 20m over two.
Uh---uhm, well, you know we ARE after Baker/Ward's 3rd year now. Sure, they don't have to extend them now.....they may never have to extend them if they don't want, but I don't see that. They could start working on it now if they wish I believe.
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Yep!!!
If Baker, Chubb and Ward are not extended prior to this season ALL Three of their salaries will have a 4M increase to our cap.
And Correct, we have roll over money more than most teams and we had a discussion on here a few weeks ago folks were saying we had no cap.
THE CAP has NOT been set. And to further that point there is talk that it could be 175M there is other rumors it could be 188M.
And no one is asking nor is JJ Watt asking for a multi year deal. In fact, he’s on record prior to the Texan mess saying he wants to play out his contract.
From that I gather 1) he wants to play alongside his family in 2022 or 2) he wants to retire.
Well he might retire then, no way the Steelers can afford him they are already under water with the cap. I also heard that the NFL and NFLPA might agree to higher cap number to help teams out, so your 188m figure might be close to correct.
Well he might retire then, no way the Steelers can afford him they are already under water with the cap. I also heard that the NFL and NFLPA might agree to higher cap number to help teams out, so your 188m figure might be close to correct.
Correct they have no room and are in fact in the hole by a lot.
Again we don’t know how much because the cap for 2021 has not been set.
The talk is he would take a BIG discount to play with his brothers after the Steelers essentially dismantle a lot of key components. Very possible- but he could be traded anywhere and it is believed he doesn’t have a no trade clause in his contract.
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