Blockbuster Trade
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Basically paying for long term draft capital.
I'd fully expect the Lions to get back to fundamentals now. Run the rock, play improved defense, try to limit Goff's exposure (in a sense). Get back to creating a competitive type of culture within the organization. Which sucks because the Lions have Kenny Golladay and it's fun seeing him get vertical.
NFCN is going to be in strange times the next couple years. Rogers is on the back 9 and looking at the club-house, Kirk is Kirk, Chi-town has zero idea what their QB situation will be like. But now the Lions have serious draft assets that nobody else in the division can match the next few years.
NFCN is going to be in strange times the next couple years. Rogers is on the back 9 and looking at the club-house, Kirk is Kirk, Chi-town has zero idea what their QB situation will be like. But now the Lions have serious draft assets that nobody else in the division can match the next few years.
A Browns-Lions Super Bowl would be great for the NFL.
The "exorcise your demons" bowl...Lions 1957, Browns 1964, the last time these two won it all.
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Unbelievable.
The Browns badly wanted to find a way to acquire former Boardman High School quarterback Bernie Kosar who was leaving the University of Miami, while Buffalo was looking to add draft picks. Both found a way to make it work.
“Thank goodness we were dealing with Ernie Accorsi who was one of the most honorable men you will ever meet,” former Bills general manager Bill Polian said. “We ended up getting Cleveland’s first-round draft picks in 1985 and 1986, their third-round pick in 1985 and their sixth-round pick in 1986 for our first-round pick in 1986.”
The Bills drafted HOF'er Bruce Smith in 85 with their pick #1. DB Derrick Burroughs with ours..1986 the Bills turned 1st Browns pick into Iowa's RB Ronnie Harmon..
2 1's...3rd..and a 6th... to Hello Bernie !
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Wow Jared Goff is probably pissing himself right about now... Holy shizzles!!!... I wouldve kept Goff... Stafford has maybe what 2 years left?
Wow Jared Goff is probably pissing himself right about now... Holy shizzles!!!... I wouldve kept Goff... Stafford has maybe what 2 years left?
He probably has more than that.
Good trade for the Lions no doubt. They currently hold the 3rd pick this year. With Goff, they won't draft a QB...at least it doesn't seem so.
I wonder what they might get in a trade down to a QB starved team? If I was running the Lions, that is what I would do.
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At first, I thought that trading Stafford was stupid by the Lions, and doing for 2 firsts and a second was stupid by the Rams. I don't know what is the Rams' situation for the future, but if they fixed a major cap problem, the more I think of it, this might be a trade where there aren't any obvious losers. Sans the hindsight that everyone and their mothers will have when we see how both QBs pan out in their new teams.
The Lions start a rebuilding with new GM and HC, get a lot of draft stock, and make a transition with a young QB. I like Stafford better than Goff, but I think the later can be a decent QB for a team with no playoff goals for the near future.
The Rams get rid of a huge contract with a QB they don't believe in, get another one in exchange who can surely give them an edge for 2-3 years. They have been constantly in the playoffs as of late, so those picks are late first rounders. I think they have done very well staying as contenders juggling with the cap and drafting well, so I think they can make it with less draft picks, and they believe so. This is also the kind of trade that can set them as an attractive venue for FAs looking for a "win now" team, which makes sense since Ithink they'll have to keep juggling this year (again I don't remember their cap situation).
If there is an obvious loser, for me it is Jared Goff. They traded him with 3 high picks for a vet QB. Still, he is no Osweiler going to the Browns with no player exchange...
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interesting opinion.
says the rams won the trade, (only because they had to bail on their serious mistake of giving Goff a huge contract extension).
https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2021/01/30/matthew-stafford-jared-goff-trade/
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Wow Jared Goff is probably pissing himself right about now... Holy shizzles!!!... I wouldve kept Goff... Stafford has maybe what 2 years left?
He probably has more than that.
Good trade for the Lions no doubt. They currently hold the 3rd pick this year. With Goff, they won't draft a QB...at least it doesn't seem so.
I wonder what they might get in a trade down to a QB starved team? If I was running the Lions, that is what I would do.
Welcome to the auction folks, step right in and start bidding
He probably has more than that.
Good trade for the Lions no doubt. They currently hold the 3rd pick this year. With Goff, they won't draft a QB...at least it doesn't seem so.
I wonder what they might get in a trade down to a QB starved team? If I was running the Lions, that is what I would do.
Welcome to the auction folks, step right in and start bidding
Detroit has the 7th pick
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Wow Jared Goff is probably pissing himself right about now... Holy shizzles!!!... I wouldve kept Goff... Stafford has maybe what 2 years left?
He probably has more than that.
Good trade for the Lions no doubt. They currently hold the 3rd pick this year. With Goff, they won't draft a QB...at least it doesn't seem so.
I wonder what they might get in a trade down to a QB starved team? If I was running the Lions, that is what I would do.
Welcome to the auction folks, step right in and start bidding
If I was running the Lions, that is what I would do
Dorsey is assistant GM in Detroit as of last week to Brad Holmes as GM, so you'd probably make better suggestions than Dorsey with all those picks.
Holmes was the director of player personnel with the Rams tasked with ID'ing the 2nd/3rd day picks the last few years, and they've done a lot of good work.. so it's possible he could repeat that in Detroit - and if so more power to him.
Lions new staff has a good OC with Anthony Lynn, and Dan Campbell will be decent as HC.
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Unbelievable.
The Browns badly wanted to find a way to acquire former Boardman High School quarterback Bernie Kosar who was leaving the University of Miami, while Buffalo was looking to add draft picks. Both found a way to make it work.
“Thank goodness we were dealing with Ernie Accorsi who was one of the most honorable men you will ever meet,” former Bills general manager Bill Polian said. “We ended up getting Cleveland’s first-round draft picks in 1985 and 1986, their third-round pick in 1985 and their sixth-round pick in 1986 for our first-round pick in 1986.”
The Bills drafted HOF'er Bruce Smith in 85 with their pick #1. DB Derrick Burroughs with ours..1986 the Bills turned 1st Browns pick into Iowa's RB Ronnie Harmon..
2 1's...3rd..and a 6th... to Hello Bernie !
2 1's...3rd..and a 6th... to Hello Bernie !
But the Browns needed a QB. IMO, the Rams didn't 'need' to do this. I mean, they traded up ahead of us to draft Goff. Is Goff that bad?
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But the Browns needed a QB. IMO, the Rams didn't 'need' to do this. I mean, they traded up ahead of us to draft Goff. Is Goff that bad?
Stafford’s contract is better (for now) but wait until they have to extend Stafford. We hear how he’s better than Goff is it plausible that he would want at least Goff type money?
The Rams are actually worse off financially (cap wise) this season dealing Goff. 8 million worse by my count in 2021.
And No I don’t think Goff is bad. Goff 107 TD / 55 INTs. Completed 67% of his passes this past year...Couple Pro Bowls. Not too shabby for 4.5 years of work.
I expect the Rams will try to fix the money situation now by extending/restructuring Staffords deal to soften the blow to the cap.
I have a Rams buddy that is upset big time...he’s happy that the 9ers didn’t get him but aside from that not happy at all.
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But the Browns needed a QB. IMO, the Rams didn't 'need' to do this. I mean, they traded up ahead of us to draft Goff. Is Goff that bad?
Stafford’s contract is better (for now) but wait until they have to extend Stafford. We hear how he’s better than Goff is it plausible that he would want at least Goff type money?
The Rams are actually worse off financially (cap wise) this season dealing Goff. 8 million worse by my count in 2021.
And No I don’t think Goff is bad. Goff 107 TD / 55 INTs. Completed 67% of his passes this past year...Couple Pro Bowls. Not too shabby for 4.5 years of work.
I expect the Rams will try to fix the money situation now by extending/restructuring Staffords deal to soften the blow to the cap.
I have a Rams buddy that is upset big time...he’s happy that the 9ers didn’t get him but aside from that not happy at all.
I have a Rams buddy that is upset big time...
My kid brother was a Rams fan.
I would never have guessed that Stafford would've landed in LA. Reality is stranger than fiction.
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I have a Rams buddy that is upset big time...
My kid brother was a Rams fan.
I would never have guessed that Stafford would've landed in LA. Reality is stranger than fiction.
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But the Browns needed a QB. IMO, the Rams didn't 'need' to do this. I mean, they traded up ahead of us to draft Goff. Is Goff that bad?
Stafford’s contract is better (for now) but wait until they have to extend Stafford. We hear how he’s better than Goff is it plausible that he would want at least Goff type money?
The Rams are actually worse off financially (cap wise) this season dealing Goff. 8 million worse by my count in 2021.
And No I don’t think Goff is bad. Goff 107 TD / 55 INTs. Completed 67% of his passes this past year...Couple Pro Bowls. Not too shabby for 4.5 years of work.
I expect the Rams will try to fix the money situation now by extending/restructuring Staffords deal to soften the blow to the cap.
I have a Rams buddy that is upset big time...he’s happy that the 9ers didn’t get him but aside from that not happy at all.
I have a Rams buddy that is upset big time...he’s happy that the 9ers didn’t get him but aside from that not happy at all.
My brother is a huge Goats fan too and is not happy as well. It isn't Stafford vs Goff, because he really dislikes Goff and hopes Stafford will be better, it's simply the 2 firsts he can't get over.
^ For me? Finally! Me, a Browns fan. Finally, I get to laugh at other teams.... oh how the worm has turned.
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I have a Rams buddy that is upset big time...he’s happy that the 9ers didn’t get him but aside from that not happy at all.
My brother is a huge Goats fan too and is not happy as well. It isn't Stafford vs Goff, because he really dislikes Goff and hopes Stafford will be better, it's simply the 2 firsts he can't get over.
^ For me? Finally! Me, a Browns fan. Finally, I get to laugh at other teams.... oh how the worm has turned.
My brother is a huge Goats fan too and is not happy as well. It isn't Stafford vs Goff, because he really dislikes Goff and hopes Stafford will be better, it's simply the 2 firsts he can't get over.
^ For me? Finally. Me a Browns fan. Finally, I get to laugh at other teams.... oh how the worm has turned.
Yeah no doubt. We’ve done some stupid things unfortunately.
The Rams aren’t even better off this season (cap wise) making the deal.
Im reserving complete judgement until I see Stafford’s new deal. I think we all anticipate/assume it will be cap friendlier. I’m with your friend...2...yes 2 1st round picks thrown into this Stafford deal better bring a ton more flexibility.
No playoff wins for Mr. Stafford. You can say he had no running game ever but he’s had some slick WRs and just a world class WR like Megatron.
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Yeah I’m not getting this one...Stafford admittedly a little better than Goff. He’s 33- he’s played a lot football that “little better” could close fast in the other direction.
Throw in not 1....but 2 first round picks.
Strange one
More than strange. Just plain ridiculous and getting close to Mike Ditka territory.
More than strange. Just plain ridiculous and getting close to Mike Ditka territory.
Unless there was something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about with Goff- that was one lopsided trade. Since I sort of follow the Lions (my brother in laws are both Detroit fans) this could set them up to build a winning franchise in the next couple of years. For the Rams, it's just win NOW baby!!! I still have zero respect for Carpetbagger Kroenke and the way he screwed over Saint Louis. But they have their $5 billion dollar NFL showcase with the Super Bowl scheduled there next year. History says LA fans are pretty fickle- they'll show up for the first couple years to check out the new digs, but after that- you go 4-12 for a few years that stadium will be about as empty as it was this year.
Digging a little deeper Tex- the way the Rams are throwing away draft picks is reminiscent of George Allen's Over the Hill Gang in Washington. I forgot they traded TWO first round picks just to get Jalen Ramsey. Yeah he's good- but worth TWO first round picks?
PS- The Browns have the Rams 5th round pick this year as part of the Austin Corbett deal.
Detroit got the terrible side of that trade? Two firsts, a third and Jared Goff is terrible?
Yeah, that's an interesting take.
Other than cap management, Dorsey's going to have two first round picks in 2022 and 2023. MHO? The Lions made out like the Frito Bandito. Unload a QB who wanted out and replace him with a serviceable starter, and get two firsts one third round pick for your trouble.
But the Browns needed a QB. IMO, the Rams didn't 'need' to do this. I mean, they traded up ahead of us to draft Goff. Is Goff that bad?
Form you own opinion. MHO? Slightly above average qb who throws a lot of ints.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GoffJa00.htm
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More than strange. Just plain ridiculous and getting close to Mike Ditka territory.
Unless there was something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about with Goff- that was one lopsided trade. Since I sort of follow the Lions (my brother in laws are both Detroit fans) this could set them up to build a winning franchise in the next couple of years. For the Rams, it's just win NOW baby!!! I still have zero respect for Carpetbagger Kroenke and the way he screwed over Saint Louis. But they have their $5 billion dollar NFL showcase with the Super Bowl scheduled there next year. History says LA fans are pretty fickle- they'll show up for the first couple years to check out the new digs, but after that- you go 4-12 for a few years that stadium will be about as empty as it was this year.
Digging a little deeper Tex- the way the Rams are throwing away draft picks is reminiscent of George Allen's Over the Hill Gang in Washington. I forgot they traded TWO first round picks just to get Jalen Ramsey. Yeah he's good- but worth TWO first round picks?
PS- The Browns have the Rams 5th round pick this year as part of the Austin Corbett deal.
Detroit got the terrible side of that trade? Two firsts, a third and Jared Goff is terrible?
Yeah, that's an interesting take.
Other than cap management, Dorsey's going to have two first round picks in 2022 and 2023. MHO? The Lions made out like the Frito Bandito. Unload a QB who wanted out and replace him with a serviceable starter, and get two firsts one third round pick for your trouble.
But the Browns needed a QB. IMO, the Rams didn't 'need' to do this. I mean, they traded up ahead of us to draft Goff. Is Goff that bad?
Form you own opinion. MHO? Slightly above average qb who throws a lot of ints.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GoffJa00.htm
Unless there was something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about with Goff- that was one lopsided trade. Since I sort of follow the Lions (my brother in laws are both Detroit fans) this could set them up to build a winning franchise in the next couple of years. For the Rams, it's just win NOW baby!!! I still have zero respect for Carpetbagger Kroenke and the way he screwed over Saint Louis. But they have their $5 billion dollar NFL showcase with the Super Bowl scheduled there next year. History says LA fans are pretty fickle- they'll show up for the first couple years to check out the new digs, but after that- you go 4-12 for a few years that stadium will be about as empty as it was this year.
Digging a little deeper Tex- the way the Rams are throwing away draft picks is reminiscent of George Allen's Over the Hill Gang in Washington. I forgot they traded TWO first round picks just to get Jalen Ramsey. Yeah he's good- but worth TWO first round picks?
Ya think?
PS- The Browns have the Rams 5th round pick this year as part of the Austin Corbett deal.
Could we trade that for a proven veteran?
Other than cap management, Dorsey's going to have two first round picks in 2022 and 2023. MHO? The Lions made out like the Frito Bandito. Unload a QB who wanted out and replace him with a serviceable starter, and get two firsts one third round pick for your trouble.
Dorsey is not the GM there, is he? Just an assistant. Though I am sure he will have his share of input, I don't think he has final say. But, yes, he can find them some talent.
Also, Chris Spielman now being there will bring them some inspiration....and toughness.
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More than strange. Just plain ridiculous and getting close to Mike Ditka territory.
Unless there was something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about with Goff- that was one lopsided trade. Since I sort of follow the Lions (my brother in laws are both Detroit fans) this could set them up to build a winning franchise in the next couple of years. For the Rams, it's just win NOW baby!!! I still have zero respect for Carpetbagger Kroenke and the way he screwed over Saint Louis. But they have their $5 billion dollar NFL showcase with the Super Bowl scheduled there next year. History says LA fans are pretty fickle- they'll show up for the first couple years to check out the new digs, but after that- you go 4-12 for a few years that stadium will be about as empty as it was this year.
Digging a little deeper Tex- the way the Rams are throwing away draft picks is reminiscent of George Allen's Over the Hill Gang in Washington. I forgot they traded TWO first round picks just to get Jalen Ramsey. Yeah he's good- but worth TWO first round picks?
PS- The Browns have the Rams 5th round pick this year as part of the Austin Corbett deal.
Detroit got the terrible side of that trade? Two firsts, a third and Jared Goff is terrible?
Yeah, that's an interesting take.
Other than cap management, Dorsey's going to have two first round picks in 2022 and 2023. MHO? The Lions made out like the Frito Bandito. Unload a QB who wanted out and replace him with a serviceable starter, and get two firsts one third round pick for your trouble.
But the Browns needed a QB. IMO, the Rams didn't 'need' to do this. I mean, they traded up ahead of us to draft Goff. Is Goff that bad?
Form you own opinion. MHO? Slightly above average qb who throws a lot of ints.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GoffJa00.htm
Form you own opinion. MHO? Slightly above average qb who throws a lot of ints.
Favre threw lots of int's too.
...Goff's stats look a lot like this guys:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StafMa00.htm
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Form you own opinion. MHO? Slightly above average qb who throws a lot of ints.
Favre threw lots of int's too.
...Goff's stats look a lot like this guys:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StafMa00.htm
Favre threw lots of int's too.
...Goff's stats look a lot like this guys:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StafMa00.htm
I was initially going to put it there too Orion.
Stafford had a couple good years, but is he a massive upgrade over Goff? Doubtful.
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Unless there was something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about with Goff- that was one lopsided trade. Since I sort of follow the Lions (my brother in laws are both Detroit fans) this could set them up to build a winning franchise in the next couple of years. For the Rams, it's just win NOW baby!!! I still have zero respect for Carpetbagger Kroenke and the way he screwed over Saint Louis. But they have their $5 billion dollar NFL showcase with the Super Bowl scheduled there next year. History says LA fans are pretty fickle- they'll show up for the first couple years to check out the new digs, but after that- you go 4-12 for a few years that stadium will be about as empty as it was this year.
Digging a little deeper Tex- the way the Rams are throwing away draft picks is reminiscent of George Allen's Over the Hill Gang in Washington. I forgot they traded TWO first round picks just to get Jalen Ramsey. Yeah he's good- but worth TWO first round picks?
Ya think?
PS- The Browns have the Rams 5th round pick this year as part of the Austin Corbett deal.
Could we trade that for a proven veteran?
Other than cap management, Dorsey's going to have two first round picks in 2022 and 2023. MHO? The Lions made out like the Frito Bandito. Unload a QB who wanted out and replace him with a serviceable starter, and get two firsts one third round pick for your trouble.
Dorsey is not the GM there, is he? Just an assistant. Though I am sure he will have his share of input, I don't think he has final say. But, yes, he can find them some talent.
Also, Chris Spielman now being there will bring them some inspiration....and toughness.
Digging a little deeper Tex- the way the Rams are throwing away draft picks is reminiscent of George Allen's Over the Hill Gang in Washington. I forgot they traded TWO first round picks just to get Jalen Ramsey. Yeah he's good- but worth TWO first round picks?
Ya think?
I had to think about the Ramsey trade Gipper, and the Rams overpaid.... Not surprising.
Here's something more in line what the Steelers gave up to get Minkah Fitzpatrick.
Steelers get: from Miami- Fitzpatrick + 2020 4th & 2021 7th
Miami gets: from Pittsburgh- 2020 1st + 2020 5th & 2021 6th.
I won't bother on how the draft value chart works out on that one, but it essentially looks like it cost the Steelers one first round pick to get Fitzpatrick, not two.
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Favre threw lots of int's too.
...Goff's stats look a lot like this guys:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StafMa00.htm
I was initially going to put it there too Orion.
Stafford had a couple good years, but is he a massive upgrade over Goff? Doubtful.
I was initially going to put it there too Orion.
Stafford had a couple good years, but is he a massive upgrade over Goff? Doubtful.
IMO, I get the feeling the Rams felt like Jared Goff was never going to be able to "take the proverbial training wheels off". That they would always have to scheme his way to success, and that Stafford will allow them to have a more consistent, dynamic offense.
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Digging a little deeper Tex- the way the Rams are throwing away draft picks is reminiscent of George Allen's Over the Hill Gang in Washington. I forgot they traded TWO first round picks just to get Jalen Ramsey. Yeah he's good- but worth TWO first round picks?
Ya think?
I had to think about the Ramsey trade Gipper, and the Rams overpaid.... Not surprising.
Here's something more in line what the Steelers gave up to get Minkah Fitzpatrick.
Steelers get: from Miami- Fitzpatrick + 2020 4th & 2021 7th
Miami gets: from Pittsburgh- 2020 1st + 2020 5th & 2021 6th.
I won't bother on how the draft value chart works out on that one, but it essentially looks like it cost the Steelers one first round pick to get Fitzpatrick, not two.
I had to think about the Ramsey trade Gipper, and the Rams overpaid.... Not surprising.
Here's something more in line what the Steelers gave up to get Minkah Fitzpatrick.
Steelers get: from Miami- Fitzpatrick + 2020 4th & 2021 7th
Miami gets: from Pittsburgh- 2020 1st + 2020 5th & 2021 6th.
I won't bother on how the draft value chart works out on that one, but it essentially looks like it cost the Steelers one first round pick to get Fitzpatrick, not two.
Steelers may have gotten a bargain then.
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