The "It's-later-than-you-think" 2021 Mock Draft Thread
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May slightly change draft strategies -- Latest news from Stefanski is expectation of full recovery for Greedy and Delpit with no long-term effects. Greedy may be a CB3 moving forward and in a 4-2-5 he's still a starter.
Sure, Stefanski could be talking his book -- or he might just be truthful.. It's Monday, I'm optimistic about the week.
May slightly change draft strategies -- Latest news from Stefanski is expectation of full recovery for Greedy and Delpit with no long-term effects. Greedy may be a CB3 moving forward and in a 4-2-5 he's still a starter.
Sure, Stefanski could be talking his book -- or he might just be truthful.. It's Monday, I'm optimistic about the week.
Are we really down with this 4-2-5 setup as the primary defense? It just seems that you are begging teams to run over you....as seems to have happened to the Browns somewhat.
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May slightly change draft strategies -- Latest news from Stefanski is expectation of full recovery for Greedy and Delpit with no long-term effects. Greedy may be a CB3 moving forward and in a 4-2-5 he's still a starter.
Sure, Stefanski could be talking his book -- or he might just be truthful.. It's Monday, I'm optimistic about the week.
May slightly change draft strategies -- Latest news from Stefanski is expectation of full recovery for Greedy and Delpit with no long-term effects. Greedy may be a CB3 moving forward and in a 4-2-5 he's still a starter.
Sure, Stefanski could be talking his book -- or he might just be truthful.. It's Monday, I'm optimistic about the week.
That is great news that could really affect our 2021 draft choices. A weakness due to injury that could see instant cure. Now get those LBs and another Garrett twin.?
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"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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Reading this article in DBN suggests LB won't be our first or second round pick due to our actual alignments not looking at a "4-3".. Certainly could be with whoever's left in the 3rd, but not high. Note, of course, that TDN moved Wade's listed position to "base defense strong safety/big nickel" but has left him in the CB list.
Marco Wilson was somehow picked by McShay to be a top50 player.
26. Kadarius Toney WR, Florida
58. Levi Onwuzurike IDL, Washington
89. Hamsah Nasirildeen S, Florida State
91. Kary Vincent Jr. CB, LSU
110. Patrick Jones II EDGE, Pittsburgh
130. Justin Hilliard LB, Ohio State
168. Shi Smith WR, South Carolina
206. Marco Wilson CB, Florida
250. Tuf Borland LB, Ohio StateReading this article in DBN suggests LB won't be our first or second round pick due to our actual alignments not looking at a "4-3".. Certainly could be with whoever's left in the 3rd, but not high.
Ya may not like it?.. But, don't fail to read this link ^^^ ...It's a Joe Wood's style defense under draft construction..
Are we really down with this 4-2-5 setup as the primary defense?
From Link...
Under DC Joe Woods, the Browns play a 4-3 defense. Or do they?
In looking at this season’s defensive personnel groupings, the 4-3 was utilized only 267 snaps. That correlates to just 24.8% of defensive plays.
What was used most often? The 4-2-5. A whooping 721 snaps for 66.9%. And get this – the remainder of snaps was in a 4-1-6 alignment.
With this in mind, the emphasis is squaring on the *pass rush and the *defensive backfield.
In the 4-2-5 alignment, the linebackers are used as the Mike (middle) and Sam (strongside) and eliminates the Will (weakside) entirely. The Mike’s duties are to plug the B-gap in running situations or as an occasional blitzer. Typically, the Mike is more of a Sam linebacker plugged into the center of the defense with some quickness and the ability to make adjustments. The other linebacker can be a converted strong safety with some girth and not an actual LB at all. This player will have coverage responsibilities such as the tight end or slot receiver.
With the 4-2-5, on the field personnel requires only one actual linebacker. With this in mind, why would you spend big money on him?
See Gipper...it's ok to open links & read them ?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Guys, you know that the nickel is what most NFL defenses play 60%+ of the time.
Calling it a 4-2-5 is long winded and you're picturing that, instead of realizing that's just the personnel listing, that it's somehow the actual alignment.... Which couldn't be further from that that stands for.
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And that's why I now wouldn't be shocked if Browns go WR/Edge 1/2 in some combination .. need someone not named OBJ able to beat the man-press coverage of Ravens so that pass defense becomes something other than "double OBJ, press everyone else".
Day 3 WR fliers are Shi Smith / marlon williams / warren jackson [maybe imatorbhebhe but I wonder about his willingness to work]
The bullet position is the larger DB who can also play the run.. Ohio State now runs it, Michigan has for a while, etc
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Bullet, Rover, Viper... Plenty of names.
Far back as I can remember - watching Sean Taylor roll up as a de-facto LB. Cie Grant was a bulked up corner who played WILL backer. Then Brandon Mitchell, both at tOSU. Taylor Mays at SC when he was younger.
The idea of taking a larger DB and using them more aggressively underneath and downhill against the run is a concept 2 decades old from my experience.
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Bullet, Rover, Viper... Plenty of names.
Far back as I can remember - watching Sean Taylor roll up as a de-facto LB. Cie Grant was a bulked up corner who played WILL backer. Then Brandon Mitchell, both at tOSU. Taylor Mays at SC when he was younger.
The idea of taking a larger DB and using them more aggressively underneath and downhill against the run is a concept 2 decades old from my experience.
The idea of taking a larger DB and using them more aggressively underneath and downhill against the run is a concept 2 decades old from my experience.
I thought you were two decades old tia.??
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I thought you were two decades old tia.??
Thrice now, bubs. I'm expecting the reality of knee pain hell to set in at any moment.
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I thought you were two decades old tia.??
Thrice now, bubs. I'm expecting the reality of knee pain hell to set in at any moment.
Thrice now, bubs. I'm expecting the reality of knee pain hell to set in at any moment.
I just turned 31 and got an MRI recently from a bowling throw gone wrong. Life comes fast, man.
I'm with you on what I hope the Browns draft strategy is 110%. No matter how you slice it in thinking of scheme, the Browns need EDGE rush help outside Myles and back 7 help. No way Vernon comes back with the injury he had, would be shocked if he plays at all again really. I actually really didn't think our DB depth played bad at all, considering how thrust some dudes were into starting roles. On top of that, we have non-significant capital invested in Greedy and Delpit. I really hope we're targeting a DE/OL prospect, that was the Achilles heel to me more than anything on the defensive side. Who that should be and who may available though I genuinely have NO clue about.
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Currently, does GM Andrew Berry not place any value on the linebacker position? And if that statement is true, one has to wonder why would they spend a valuable first-round draft pick on one.
Historically, what have the Browns done? 2013 was the last time Cleveland took a linebacker in the first-round when they selected Barkevious Mingo of LSU with the sixth overall pick. Before that, it was Craig Powell (1995), Clifford Charlton (1988), Mike Junkin (1987), Chip Banks (1982), Future Hall of Famer Clay Matthews (1978), Robert Jackson (1977), Bob Matheson (1967) and Jim Houston (1960).
What was used most often? The 4-2-5. A whooping 721 snaps for 66.9%. And get this – the remainder of snaps was in a 4-1-6 alignment.
With this in mind, the emphasis is squaring on the pass rush and the defensive backfield.
In the 4-2-5 alignment, the linebackers are used as the Mike (middle) and Sam (strongside) and eliminates the Will (weakside) entirely. The Mike’s duties are to plug the B-gap in running situations or as an occasional blitzer. Typically, the Mike is more of a Sam linebacker plugged into the center of the defense with some quickness and the ability to make adjustments. The other linebacker can be a converted strong safety with some girth and not an actual LB at all. This player will have coverage responsibilities such as the tight end or slot receiver.
With the 4-2-5, on the field personnel requires only one actual linebacker. With this in mind, why would you spend big money on him?
The short answer is: the Browns don’t.
As an example, look at former Browns ILB Joe Schobert. This season in Jacksonville, he was fifth in total tackles in the NFL with 141, just 30 tackles from being the league-leader. Goodson led all Cleveland defenders in total tackles with 91, ranked 57th.
While with the Browns, Schobert, a fourth-round pick of Cleveland in 2016, had 133 tackles in 2019 (ranked 11th), 103 in 2018 (35th), and led the league in 2017 with 144. Yes, he also missed tackles, but yet despite his numbers when his rookie contract was up and he was due a big payday, they allowed him to sign elsewhere in free agency. In short, the cheap productive linebacker suddenly became too expensive to keep.
Not that Cleveland’s defensive schemes doesn’t want linebackers who aren’t good tacklers and develop production. But the numbers indicate the defense needs serviceable LB’s who don’t require a swollen paycheck and can still do the job.
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Reading this article in DBN suggests LB won't be our first or second round pick due to our actual alignments not looking at a "4-3".. Certainly could be with whoever's left in the 3rd, but not high.
Ya may not like it?.. But, don't fail to read this link ^^^ ...It's a Joe Wood's style defense under draft construction..
Are we really down with this 4-2-5 setup as the primary defense?
From Link...
Under DC Joe Woods, the Browns play a 4-3 defense. Or do they?
In looking at this season’s defensive personnel groupings, the 4-3 was utilized only 267 snaps. That correlates to just 24.8% of defensive plays.
What was used most often? The 4-2-5. A whooping 721 snaps for 66.9%. And get this – the remainder of snaps was in a 4-1-6 alignment.
With this in mind, the emphasis is squaring on the *pass rush and the *defensive backfield.
In the 4-2-5 alignment, the linebackers are used as the Mike (middle) and Sam (strongside) and eliminates the Will (weakside) entirely. The Mike’s duties are to plug the B-gap in running situations or as an occasional blitzer. Typically, the Mike is more of a Sam linebacker plugged into the center of the defense with some quickness and the ability to make adjustments. The other linebacker can be a converted strong safety with some girth and not an actual LB at all. This player will have coverage responsibilities such as the tight end or slot receiver.
With the 4-2-5, on the field personnel requires only one actual linebacker. With this in mind, why would you spend big money on him?
See Gipper...it's ok to open links & read them ?
Ya may not like it?.. But, don't fail to read this link ^^^ ...It's a Joe Wood's style defense under draft construction..
From Link...
Under DC Joe Woods, the Browns play a 4-3 defense. Or do they?
In looking at this season’s defensive personnel groupings, the 4-3 was utilized only 267 snaps. That correlates to just 24.8% of defensive plays.
What was used most often? The 4-2-5. A whooping 721 snaps for 66.9%. And get this – the remainder of snaps was in a 4-1-6 alignment.
With this in mind, the emphasis is squaring on the *pass rush and the *defensive backfield.
In the 4-2-5 alignment, the linebackers are used as the Mike (middle) and Sam (strongside) and eliminates the Will (weakside) entirely. The Mike’s duties are to plug the B-gap in running situations or as an occasional blitzer. Typically, the Mike is more of a Sam linebacker plugged into the center of the defense with some quickness and the ability to make adjustments. The other linebacker can be a converted strong safety with some girth and not an actual LB at all. This player will have coverage responsibilities such as the tight end or slot receiver.
With the 4-2-5, on the field personnel requires only one actual linebacker. With this in mind, why would you spend big money on him?
See Gipper...it's ok to open links & read them ?
I didn't see your post before I copy and posted.
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I thought Woods ran a stay and pray Defense.
Let Myles go and everyone else Hunkers down and hopes for an errant pass or make a tackle after allowing a reception
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Thrice now, bubs. I'm expecting the reality of knee pain hell to set in at any moment.
I just turned 31 and got an MRI recently from a bowling throw gone wrong. Life comes fast, man.
I'm with you on what I hope the Browns draft strategy is 110%. No matter how you slice it in thinking of scheme, the Browns need EDGE rush help outside Myles and back 7 help. No way Vernon comes back with the injury he had, would be shocked if he plays at all again really. I actually really didn't think our DB depth played bad at all, considering how thrust some dudes were into starting roles. On top of that, we have non-significant capital invested in Greedy and Delpit. I really hope we're targeting a DE/OL prospect, that was the Achilles heel to me more than anything on the defensive side. Who that should be and who may available though I genuinely have NO clue about.
I just turned 31 and got an MRI recently from a bowling throw gone wrong. Life comes fast, man.
First off - oof.
It's kind of trippy in a way, being the absolute dead last of the 80's babies. I went from growing up throughout the 90's and all the wonderful things then, seeing the earliest days of a lot of modern conveniences.... ( having myspace and my razr when I was 17) Now to having a smart phone and the endless apps for seemingly every little last thing imaginable.
Yes, life does come fast. I'm very thankful I've been able to keep myself in such great health. It was also hilariously eye opening making it to my 10 year high school reunion and being one of the few people there who didn't get fat. I very much enjoyed that part. And don't even get me started on what has happened to mainstream music.
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I just turned 31 and got an MRI recently from a bowling throw gone wrong. Life comes fast, man.
First off - oof.
It's kind of trippy in a way, being the absolute dead last of the 80's babies. I went from growing up throughout the 90's and all the wonderful things then, seeing the earliest days of a lot of modern conveniences.... ( having myspace and my razr when I was 17) Now to having a smart phone and the endless apps for seemingly every little last thing imaginable.
Yes, life does come fast. I'm very thankful I've been able to keep myself in such great health. It was also hilariously eye opening making it to my 10 year high school reunion and being one of the few people there who didn't get fat. I very much enjoyed that part. And don't even get me started on what has happened to mainstream music.
First off - oof.
It's kind of trippy in a way, being the absolute dead last of the 80's babies. I went from growing up throughout the 90's and all the wonderful things then, seeing the earliest days of a lot of modern conveniences.... ( having myspace and my razr when I was 17) Now to having a smart phone and the endless apps for seemingly every little last thing imaginable.
Yes, life does come fast. I'm very thankful I've been able to keep myself in such great health. It was also hilariously eye opening making it to my 10 year high school reunion and being one of the few people there who didn't get fat. I very much enjoyed that part. And don't even get me started on what has happened to mainstream music.
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First off - oof.
It's kind of trippy in a way, being the absolute dead last of the 80's babies. I went from growing up throughout the 90's and all the wonderful things then, seeing the earliest days of a lot of modern conveniences.... ( having myspace and my razr when I was 17) Now to having a smart phone and the endless apps for seemingly every little last thing imaginable.
Yes, life does come fast. I'm very thankful I've been able to keep myself in such great health. It was also hilariously eye opening making it to my 10 year high school reunion and being one of the few people there who didn't get fat. I very much enjoyed that part. And don't even get me started on what has happened to mainstream music.
"Ain't quite there yet, but I'm getting better at it"
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I thought you were two decades old tia.??
Thrice now, bubs. I'm expecting the reality of knee pain hell to set in at any moment.
Thrice now, bubs. I'm expecting the reality of knee pain hell to set in at any moment.
I find as I approach 74 next month that I'm better at being a pain in the ass.?
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I just turned 31 and got an MRI recently from a bowling throw gone wrong. Life comes fast, man.
First off - oof.
It's kind of trippy in a way, being the absolute dead last of the 80's babies. I went from growing up throughout the 90's and all the wonderful things then, seeing the earliest days of a lot of modern conveniences.... ( having myspace and my razr when I was 17) Now to having a smart phone and the endless apps for seemingly every little last thing imaginable.
Yes, life does come fast. I'm very thankful I've been able to keep myself in such great health. It was also hilariously eye opening making it to my 10 year high school reunion and being one of the few people there who didn't get fat. I very much enjoyed that part. And don't even get me started on what has happened to mainstream music.
First off - oof.
It's kind of trippy in a way, being the absolute dead last of the 80's babies. I went from growing up throughout the 90's and all the wonderful things then, seeing the earliest days of a lot of modern conveniences.... ( having myspace and my razr when I was 17) Now to having a smart phone and the endless apps for seemingly every little last thing imaginable.
Yes, life does come fast. I'm very thankful I've been able to keep myself in such great health. It was also hilariously eye opening making it to my 10 year high school reunion and being one of the few people there who didn't get fat. I very much enjoyed that part. And don't even get me started on what has happened to mainstream music.
For sure, man. I have a 13, almost 14 month old now and my wife and I (who is about to turn 31) remark on the cool journey we'll be able to tell her. We truly are the last generation to have any memory of a world that didn't revolve around screens. I VIVIDLY remember getting our first dial up computer at 10 years old, and our first family cell phone at 13. Now, my kiddo damn near knows how to work an Ipad at a year old.
I hear that, didn't hit up my high school reunion but being friends with a lot of them on facebook, I turned out alright. Just vibin and listening to Goo Goo Dolls haha.
I, quite literally, told kids to get off my lawn 3 days ago. To be fair they were being shits and breaking sprinklers but still.
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First off - oof.
It's kind of trippy in a way, being the absolute dead last of the 80's babies. I went from growing up throughout the 90's and all the wonderful things then, seeing the earliest days of a lot of modern conveniences.... ( having myspace and my razr when I was 17) Now to having a smart phone and the endless apps for seemingly every little last thing imaginable.
Yes, life does come fast. I'm very thankful I've been able to keep myself in such great health. It was also hilariously eye opening making it to my 10 year high school reunion and being one of the few people there who didn't get fat. I very much enjoyed that part. And don't even get me started on what has happened to mainstream music.
For sure, man. I have a 13, almost 14 month old now and my wife and I (who is about to turn 31) remark on the cool journey we'll be able to tell her. We truly are the last generation to have any memory of a world that didn't revolve around screens. I VIVIDLY remember getting our first dial up computer at 10 years old, and our first family cell phone at 13. Now, my kiddo damn near knows how to work an Ipad at a year old.
I hear that, didn't hit up my high school reunion but being friends with a lot of them on facebook, I turned out alright. Just vibin and listening to Goo Goo Dolls haha.
I, quite literally, told kids to get off my lawn 3 days ago. To be fair they were being shits and breaking sprinklers but still.
For sure, man. I have a 13, almost 14 month old now and my wife and I (who is about to turn 31) remark on the cool journey we'll be able to tell her. We truly are the last generation to have any memory of a world that didn't revolve around screens. I VIVIDLY remember getting our first dial up computer at 10 years old, and our first family cell phone at 13. Now, my kiddo damn near knows how to work an Ipad at a year old.
I hear that, didn't hit up my high school reunion but being friends with a lot of them on facebook, I turned out alright. Just vibin and listening to Goo Goo Dolls haha.
I, quite literally, told kids to get off my lawn 3 days ago. To be fair they were being shits and breaking sprinklers but still.
I remember telling my parents to not use the phone because I was playing Diablo II online with friends.
And getting home from school to hop on AIM
good times
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