Sherman

[Dutch Oven]

@tour2ma said:

lol....

Then why am I laughing?

Because cal is so, so concerned about character over here on the Browns board, but on that other board he can't be bothered with it? ?

[Unsympathetic]

As with all players, the question isn't if he'd come, the question is.. at what price.  2M? Sure, we're probably paying more to a priority UDFA. 8M? Hard, hard pass.

Yes, i'm sure it's true that Watching Bitonio Work Each Day is good for Wills' career.. but given that Wills is a professional in his own right with an NFL-level position coach, how much of his development is directly attributable only to Bitonio?

Same thing for Sherman.. It's fun to watch him execute the rep ahead of you, but Sherman isn't going to make up for bad picks or bad defensive schemes.  It's not Sherman that "develops" the player, it's the player and the position coach putting in the hours when nobody else is around. 

Every time you hear someone say XYZ will Change The Character... OK, great.. in exactly what way and by how much? And when you can't measure it.. It didn't happen. And to be clear: Something may be observed.. but it's simply not correct to conclude that only one thing [Sherman joining] was the single reason for it.

TB won the super bowl.  But Bucs had been stacked for years and only lacked QB. Also, the Pats don't need a character change just because they didn't win.

[The Gipper]

@calfoxwc said:

no, it's a point.

1. Richard Sherman of Seattle Seahawks apologizes for ...

   https://www.espn.com › nfl › story › _ › id › 18321587 › ...

   Dec 20, 2016 · Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman apologized Tuesday after threatening to "ruin" a reporter's career, but stood by his Thursday sideline outburst directed at …

2. Richard Sherman and DeMarcus Cousins apologize for ...

   https://www.washingtonpost.com › news › early-lead › wp › ...

   Dec 21, 2016 · Richard Sherman and DeMarcus Cousins apologize for threatening media members. ... As Sherman walked

   Richard Sherman confirms choice words in practice for ...

   https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com › 2017 › 07 › 23 › ...

   Jul 23, 2017 · Sometimes, just sometimes I enjoy seeing Sherman gets burned in a game by a wide receiver (as long as Hawks win of course). He’s such as a cancer in the locker room.

   Trouble in the Emerald City? The Seahawks’ Richard Sherman ...

   https://sports.yahoo.com › news › trouble-emerald-city...

   Mar 31, 2017 · It’s been well documented that Richard Sherman has had sideline riffs with the offensive coordinator of the Seattle ... twisted up and defined as a ‘trouble’ or ‘cancer’ in the

   Comments on: Richard Sherman: I don’t really have a ...

   https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com › 2018 › 11 › 29 › ...

   Nov 29, 2018 · Sherman's the biggest crybaby alive. He didn't get cut because he was injured. He got cut because he's a locker room cancer, a huge distraction, and openly bashed the team, coaching, and ...

It seems odd that you of all people would consider someone that got into tiffs with reporters to have a character issue. 

[browns52]

@comeonman said:

Anyone else seeing this news of Richard Sherman possibilities? Didn’t see it posted anywhere. Apparently he may want to come play for Woods. He’s older, but damn we need secondary help. 

noooooooooo......stay away from these future hall of famers that are way past their prime....we need young good player that can give us 5-7 yrs of good quality football...not this mcginnis....fujita....that number 24 we had from the eagles yrs ago who stunk to high heaven and did not do shit....we are not a team on defense that should be looking for someone to give us a yr of decent football and thats it....we are tooooooo far away from having a sb defense....we need everything......build it without delay....thats what good gm's do....

[Comeonman]

@browns52 said:

noooooooooo......stay away from these future hall of famers that are way past their prime....we need young good player that can give us 5-7 yrs of good quality football...not this mcginnis....fujita....that number 24 we had from the eagles yrs ago who stunk to high heaven and did not do shit....we are not a team on defense that should be looking for someone to give us a yr of decent football and thats it....we are tooooooo far away from having a sb defense....we need everything......build it without delay....thats what good gm's do....

So not even for the right price to help a struggling secondary while younger guys are being groomed

[Unsympathetic]

No.

This is "conventional wisdom" BS that actually means nothing.

1) It's not Sherman that "develops" the player, it's the player and the position coach who put in the hours when nobody else is around.  

Without googling, name one trait that Wills developed this past season only because he was "being groomed" by Bitonio.. and not because of Wills' individual work outside of practice. Show proof.

2) Sherman has said he wants to play 3 more in SF and retire and so this entire thread is really much ado about nothing.

3) His contract was 14M last season and he's only a 67.7 rating. You know, no better than Money Mitch.  Niners DB saw a comeback POY year from Verrett [he'd win that award in any other year than Smith's return from injury] and another great one from Kwaun Williams.. Sherman's no longer either elite or a plus D contributor.

If he's only asking Mitch's salary level, great! But beware.. Mitch was paid 3.7 last year, and we may not be able to replicate that.

Kevin Johnson was a decent-player-injury-recovery flier that didn't work.. one of the things with secondaries these days is that we have to get lucky with draft picks [TB with Dean drafted in rd3 becoming a top80 overall player] or injury [SF with Verrett] to be great. 

Sherman's declining athleticism and his body injured all of 2020 is.. not the type of FA deal we should be leaping into.

[nickers]

I was gonna say wait?.. Ain't Ally Sherman dead LOL?

[The Cysko Kid]

I don't like him, never have. I don't want him for the browns. I don't think he's worth the money at this point but if he were to end up here I'd root for him. 

[The Gipper]

@nickers said:

I was gonna say wait?.. Ain't Ally Sherman dead LOL?

Probably

[jrb12711]

@unsympathetic said:

No.

This is "conventional wisdom" BS that actually means nothing.

1) It's not Sherman that "develops" the player, it's the player and the position coach who put in the hours when nobody else is around.  

Without googling, name one trait that Wills developed this past season only because he was "being groomed" by Bitonio.. and not because of Wills' individual work outside of practice. Show proof.

2) Sherman has said he wants to play 3 more in SF and retire and so this entire thread is really much ado about nothing.

3) His contract was 14M last season and he's only a 67.7 rating. You know, no better than Money Mitch.  Niners DB saw a comeback POY year from Verrett [he'd win that award in any other year than Smith's return from injury] and another great one from Kwaun Williams.. Sherman's no longer either elite or a plus D contributor.

If he's only asking Mitch's salary level, great! But beware.. Mitch was paid 3.7 last year, and we may not be able to replicate that.

Kevin Johnson was a decent-player-injury-recovery flier that didn't work.. one of the things with secondaries these days is that we have to get lucky with draft picks [TB with Dean drafted in rd3 becoming a top80 overall player] or injury [SF with Verrett] to be great. 

Sherman's declining athleticism and his body injured all of 2020 is.. not the type of FA deal we should be leaping into.

Great post, this is exactly why he should be a "no" at all costs for the short-term. The browns need defensive help, and I absolutely like the idea of getting solid veteran guys. Sherman ain't it, though. On the edge and in the secondary we need to get faster and more agile. Richard isn't either of those. Now, if he doesn't get scooped up in the early FA market and we don't see development or recovery? Maybe.

[Tour2ma]

So.... maybe...

[mjp28]

@the-gipper said:

Probably

Oh god I remember that as a kid.....knew every word of it.

[Unsympathetic]

Put a knife in this, it's done

[Dutch Oven]

@unsympathetic said:

Put a knife in this, it's done

I thought this was about Rush Limbaugh for a second... 

Yeah, a team that needs speed in the secondary going after a 33 year old guy who even in his prime was never a burner never seemed real likely to me. 

[darren15]

I think Sherman will tank next season ....

[The Gipper]

@mjp28 said:

Oh god I remember that as a kid.....knew every word of it.

I always  wondered if the Leonard Skinner mentioned in this song was  the same Leonard Skinner that became a Gym teacher in which Lynyrd Skynyrd  named the band after.....but, probably not,  though it would make a great tale;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Skinner

If Westside Steve had done the same thing...named his band after our high school gym teacher,  instead of Easy Street,  they would have become known as:    Tony Prasher.    Or, if he had named them after the guy that really gave him shit in high school over his long hair, the band would have been named:   Ralph Beddow    or some variation thereof.  (Asst. Principal)

[ATOM]

@the-gipper said:

It seems odd that you of all people would consider someone that got into tiffs with reporters to have a character issue. 

it would be funny to watch him go after grossi hell it might make him retire

[SdBacker80]

Nope...let him go somewhere else.

that whole fake handshake incident.  I guess I could get over that if he still played at a high level. 

[Silver slayer]

No thanks