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  • If we are expecting him to play 80% of snaps and at a Pro Bowl level.  Unreasonable. 
     

    He’s not going to paid like that either.

    Pitch count + a promising rookie + gustin = step in the right direction. 
     

    We could pay 12-15 per year for 4-5 years for a younger less accomplished version of JJ Watt.  Not ideal given our future extensions we need 

  • Browns are now the odds on favorite in Vegas.

    Either somebody has been tipped off or the books are reeling in suckers.

    My football thoughts on JJ in CLE are another matter.

  • Do not underestimate the poor decision making ability of the browns FO.  

  • The max 2021 cap is 11M under our salary liabilities for 2021 as of today, 2/18.  Definition of liabilities is the sum of contracted player cap numbers and dead money for the 2021 season. [I manually copy-pasted that page into my own Excel file to verify]

    We have signed neither rookies nor anyone who was on our roster last year and is now a FA let alone any "outside" FA.

    Current liabilities: 196. Current max 2021 cap: 185. Don't believe this? Great! However, today's cap negotiations update supports a valuation of 185.

    At present the way Cleveland gets under the 2021 cap is to.. use 11M of the one-year cap space.  Every rookie and every FA also will count against that space.

    Berry certainly may restructure a few people -- but he hasn't yet.

  • The max 2021 cap is 11M under our salary liabilities for 2021 as of today, 2/18.  Definition of liabilities is the sum of contracted player cap numbers and dead money for the 2021 season. [I manually copy-pasted that page into my own Excel file to verify]

    We have signed neither rookies nor anyone who was on our roster last year and is now a FA let alone any "outside" FA.

    Current liabilities: 196. Current max 2021 cap: 185. Don't believe this? Great! However, today's cap negotiations update supports a valuation of 185.

    At present the way Cleveland gets under the 2021 cap is to.. use 11M of the one-year cap space.  Every rookie and every FA also will count against that space.

    Berry certainly may restructure a few people -- but he hasn't yet.

    @unsympathetic said:

    The max 2021 cap is 11M under our salary liabilities for 2021 as of today, 2/18.  Definition of liabilities is the sum of contracted player cap numbers and dead money for the 2021 season. [I manually copy-pasted that page into my own Excel file to verify]

    We have signed neither rookies nor anyone who was on our roster last year and is now a FA let alone any "outside" FA.

    Current liabilities: 196. Current max 2021 cap: 185. Don't believe this? Great! However, today's cap negotiations update supports a valuation of 185.

    At present the way Cleveland gets under the 2021 cap is to.. use 11M of the one-year cap space.  Every rookie and every FA also will count against that space.

    Berry certainly may restructure a few people -- but he hasn't yet.

    Nothing motivates quite like necessity.

    Of course, there are some outright cuts he could make as well that it doesn't look like anyone here has mentioned ....  yet.

  • is Watt just a name much like Clowney was  (thank god we didnt sign that ass clown) one thing about watt compared to clowney is that I have never heard of watt taking plays let alone games off  and watt is a leader among men But can u count on him to be on the field ? sign him to the league minimum and see what he brings

  • @unsympathetic said:

    The max 2021 cap is 11M under our salary liabilities for 2021 as of today, 2/18.  Definition of liabilities is the sum of contracted player cap numbers and dead money for the 2021 season. [I manually copy-pasted that page into my own Excel file to verify]

    We have signed neither rookies nor anyone who was on our roster last year and is now a FA let alone any "outside" FA.

    Current liabilities: 196. Current max 2021 cap: 185. Don't believe this? Great! However, today's cap negotiations update supports a valuation of 185.

    At present the way Cleveland gets under the 2021 cap is to.. use 11M of the one-year cap space.  Every rookie and every FA also will count against that space.

    Berry certainly may restructure a few people -- but he hasn't yet.

    Nothing motivates quite like necessity.

    Of course, there are some outright cuts he could make as well that it doesn't look like anyone here has mentioned ....  yet.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Nothing motivates quite like necessity.

    Of course, there are some outright cuts he could make as well that it doesn't look like anyone here has mentioned ....  yet.

    Njoku saves 6m

    Richardson saves 10.5M

    OBJ trade saves 15M 

    We don’t have many “bad” contracts. 

  • The max 2021 cap is 11M under our salary liabilities for 2021 as of today, 2/18.  Definition of liabilities is the sum of contracted player cap numbers and dead money for the 2021 season. [I manually copy-pasted that page into my own Excel file to verify]

    We have signed neither rookies nor anyone who was on our roster last year and is now a FA let alone any "outside" FA.

    Current liabilities: 196. Current max 2021 cap: 185. Don't believe this? Great! However, today's cap negotiations update supports a valuation of 185.

    At present the way Cleveland gets under the 2021 cap is to.. use 11M of the one-year cap space.  Every rookie and every FA also will count against that space.

    Berry certainly may restructure a few people -- but he hasn't yet.

    @unsympathetic said:

    At present the way Cleveland gets under the 2021 cap is to.. use 11M of the one-year cap space.  Every rookie and every FA also will count against that space.

    Berry certainly may restructure a few people -- but he hasn't yet.

    What was Terrance Mitchell's overall grade at PFF last season ? Mitch was 28, can't recall the guy even missing a practice. Started all 16 games & had his best stat year in his 7 year career.. Of all our FA's, he's the keeper imo.. Played for 3.3M  per/ yr., the last 3 seasons.. I see no market value.. but can we squeeze 5M per?

  • Didn’t Watt lead the league in QB pressures last year? I may be totally wrong on that 
     

    I understand the injury history concerns but he can still play, especially with Myles the other side

  • Now the rumors of Von Miller being possibly in play are interesting. I'd take either one.

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  • @tiamat63 said:

    Nothing motivates quite like necessity.

    Of course, there are some outright cuts he could make as well that it doesn't look like anyone here has mentioned ....  yet.

    Njoku saves 6m

    Richardson saves 10.5M

    OBJ trade saves 15M 

    We don’t have many “bad” contracts. 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Njoku saves 6m

    Richardson saves 10.5M

    OBJ trade saves 15M 

    We don’t have many “bad” contracts. 

    Those top 2 sure are money savers.

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Njoku saves 6m

    Richardson saves 10.5M

    OBJ trade saves 15M 

    We don’t have many “bad” contracts. 

    Those top 2 sure are money savers.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Those top 2 sure are money savers.

    So is Richardson not worth having?  

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Those top 2 sure are money savers.

    So is Richardson not worth having?  

    @orion said:

    So is Richardson not worth having?  

    Seems like a bold move to get rid of Richardson considering they are allowing Ogunjobi to leave via free agency. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Those top 2 sure are money savers.

    So is Richardson not worth having?  

    @orion said:

    So is Richardson not worth having?  

    Eye of the beholder.

    How does this front office and coaching staff feel an increased role for Elliot along with the return of Billings will play out?  What is the draft strategy like as well? 

    Csnt answer the Sheldon question without answering those first.

  • @orion said:

    So is Richardson not worth having?  

    Seems like a bold move to get rid of Richardson considering they are allowing Ogunjobi to leave via free agency. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Seems like a bold move to get rid of Richardson considering they are allowing Ogunjobi to leave via free agency. 

    Yeah I’m not sure I’d do it.

    He’s older and paid fairly well but he’s always available.  Maybe you get a better pass rush presence in his place 

  • of course now his wifey has to get involved  she plays soccer in chicago and said she wants hubby to sign with the bears 

    also i am sure that a offer has all ready been made and watt is just using us 

    which is fine by me as i could give a rats ass if he signs with us or not

  • The Packers are currently projected to be over the 2021 salary cap, so they’re making a couple moves to trim some veteran salaries.

    Green Bay released linebacker Christian Kirksey and offensive tackle Rick Wagner, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports.

    Kirksey, who signed a two-year, $13 million contract last year, was a starter when healthy but missed five games last season. Cutting him saves almost $6 million in cap space.

    Wagner played in all 16 games last year and was on the field for 59 percent of the Packers’ offensive snaps. He signed a two-year, $11 million contract last year and cutting him will save more than $4 million in cap space.

    this is from PFT

  • of course now his wifey has to get involved  she plays soccer in chicago and said she wants hubby to sign with the bears 

    also i am sure that a offer has all ready been made and watt is just using us 

    which is fine by me as i could give a rats ass if he signs with us or not

    @atom said:

    of course now his wifey has to get involved  she plays soccer in chicago and said she wants hubby to sign with the bears 

    also i am sure that a offer has all ready been made and watt is just using us 

    which is fine by me as i could give a rats ass if he signs with us or not

    Well then it looks like he is going to Chicago