Quarterback Merry Go Round
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Carson Wentz has been traded to the Colts:
Philadelphia has agreed to trade Carson Wentz to the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a 2021 third-round pick and a conditional 2022 second-round pick that could turn into a first, league sources tell and me.Wentz was terrible last year. a third and a future second doesn't sound outrageous...
-- Possible Colts overpaid due to Wentz's personality -> unless he is willing to humble himself and accept a number of changes, he's done.. he was not an NFL quarterback last season.Wentz is on the Tim Tebow side of personality. Maybe the frustration of playing so poorly got to him. He was a pinata last year- 50 sacks... Someone will have to explain this to me, but it sure looks like the Colts long term investment in Wentz is minimal, though cutting him in 2022, and gifting the Eagles a second round pick doesn't sound good.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WentCa00.htm
Wentz was terrible last year. a third and a future second doesn't sound outrageous...
Wentz is on the Tim Tebow side of personality. Maybe the frustration of playing so poorly got to him. He was a pinata last year- 50 sacks... Someone will have to explain this to me, but it sure looks like the Colts long term investment in Wentz is minimal, though cutting him in 2022, and gifting the Eagles a second round pick doesn't sound good.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WentCa00.htm
Carson Wentz is Brandon Weedon 2.0!
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Wentz was terrible last year. a third and a future second doesn't sound outrageous...
Wentz is on the Tim Tebow side of personality. Maybe the frustration of playing so poorly got to him. He was a pinata last year- 50 sacks... Someone will have to explain this to me, but it sure looks like the Colts long term investment in Wentz is minimal, though cutting him in 2022, and gifting the Eagles a second round pick doesn't sound good.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WentCa00.htm
Carson Wentz is Brandon Weedon 2.0!
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Naturally the national media slobbers over anything Cowboys related. Not sure why at this point since they have been a mediocre to shitty team for decades now. But of course, tons of talk about what they should do with the "great" Dak Prescott. Well, I have an idea. And note I put quotes around "great" because, quite frankly it is foolish IMO to think of Prescott as great. He IS a good QB, but I think he is vastly overrated just because he plays in Dallas. I do NOT think, by any means that he is one of the best 10 QBs in the league. I think he probably ranks between 15-20. And they are talking about tagging him for like 37 million bucks, which could make him like the 3rd highest paid qb in the league? Pure Bologna. Again, in my opinion, they have a guy backing him up, Andy Dalton, who has career stats that are equal or better than Prescott. And Dalton makes only like 3 million.
So, what should the Cowboys do? : Cut him loose. Let him go to FA. Do NOT place the franchise tag on him for the 37 million. Let him hit the open market. Who is going to offer him anywhere near that? Maybe someone, but more fool them.
And they should let Dalton start.....and with that #10 pick they have in the draft, take a QB of the future. Or, if they can, move up several spaces in a trade to get one of Zack Wilson, or Justin Fields...and have a guy with a better upside leading their team at rookie wage scale for the next 4 years.
Not that I care if the Cowboys suck forever. I hope they do. (and in wanting that I would say: put 37 million into Prescott....and let the rest of the team falter and be shite.......goody , goody). But I am just talking basic value here.
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Dalton career stats:
Passing
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 144 142 74-66-2 2973 4782 62.2 33764 218 4.6 126 2.6 1624 86 7.1 6.8 11.4 234.5 87.5 302 1922 6.26 6.01 5.9 23 27 103 9 yrs CIN 133 133 70-61-2 2757 4449 62.0 31594 204 4.6 118 2.7 1508 86 7.1 6.8 11.5 237.5 87.5 278 1738 6.32 6.06 5.9 21 24 98 1 yr DAL 11 9 4-5-0 216 333 64.9 2170 14 4.2 8 2.4 116 69 6.5 6.3 10.0 197.3 87.3 24 184 5.56 5.34 6.7 2 3 5 2011* 24 CIN QB 14 16 16 9-7-0 300 516 58.1 3398 20 3.9 13 2.5 151 84 6.6 6.2 11.3 212.4 80.4 49.5 24 160 6.00 5.65 4.4 4 4 11 2012 25 CIN QB 14 16 16 10-6-0 329 528 62.3 3669 27 5.1 16 3.0 172 59 6.9 6.6 11.2 229.3 87.4 47.7 46 229 5.99 5.68 8.0 1 3 12 2013 26 CIN QB 14 16 16 11-5-0 363 586 61.9 4293 33 5.6 20 3.4 206 82 7.3 6.9 11.8 268.3 88.8 54.8 29 182 6.68 6.29 4.7 1 3 14 2014* 27 CIN QB 14 16 16 10-5-1 309 481 64.2 3398 19 4.0 17 3.5 160 81 7.1 6.3 11.0 212.4 83.5 48.5 21 124 6.52 5.75 4.2 4 3 11 2015 28 CIN QB 14 13 13 10-3-0 255 386 66.1 3250 25 6.5 7 1.8 148 80 8.4 8.9 12.7 250.0 106.2 72.5 20 118 7.71 8.17 4.9 3 3 13 2016* 29 CIN QB 14 16 16 6-9-1 364 563 64.7 4206 18 3.2 8 1.4 206 86 7.5 7.5 11.6 262.9 91.8 52.3 41 264 6.53 6.53 6.8 2 1 12 2017 30 CIN QB 14 16 16 7-9-0 297 496 59.9 3320 25 5.0 12 2.4 163 77 6.7 6.6 11.2 207.5 86.6 44.8 39 255 5.73 5.65 7.3 3 3 10 2018 31 CIN QB 14 11 11 5-6-0 226 365 61.9 2566 21 5.8 11 3.0 132 49 7.0 6.8 11.4 233.3 89.6 59.4 21 157 6.24 6.05 5.4 3 4 8 2019 32 CIN QB 14 13 13 2-11-0 314 528 59.5 3494 16 3.0 14 2.7 170 66 6.6 6.0 11.1 268.8 78.3 42.1 37 249 5.74 5.19 6.5 7 2020 33 DAL qb 14 11 9 4-5-0 216 333 64.9 2170 14 4.2 8 2.4 116 69 6.5 6.3 10.0 197.3 87.3 53.8 24 184 5.56 5.34 6.7 2 3 5 Prescott career stats:
Passing
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 69 69 42-27-0 1514 2293 66.0 17634 106 4.6 40 1.7 875 90 7.7 7.8 11.6 255.6 97.3 146 892 6.86 7.00 6.0 9 15 66 2016* 23 DAL QB 4 16 16 13-3-0 311 459 67.8 3667 23 5.0 4 0.9 185 83 8.0 8.6 11.8 229.2 104.9 77.6 25 143 7.28 7.86 5.2 5 5 16 2017 24 DAL QB 4 16 16 9-7-0 308 490 62.9 3324 22 4.5 13 2.7 162 81 6.8 6.5 10.8 207.8 86.6 69.9 32 185 6.01 5.74 6.1 0 4 14 2018* 25 DAL QB 4 16 16 10-6-0 356 526 67.7 3885 22 4.2 8 1.5 206 90 7.4 7.5 10.9 242.8 96.9 55.2 56 347 6.08 6.22 9.6 3 5 14 2019 26 DAL QB 4 16 16 8-8-0 388 596 65.1 4902 30 5.0 11 1.8 229 62 8.2 8.4 12.6 306.4 99.7 71.9 23 151 7.68 7.84 3.7 16 2020 27 DAL qb 4 5 5 2-3-0 151 222 68.0 1856 9 4.1 4 1.8 93 58 8.4 8.4 12.3 371.2 99.6 78.7 10 66 7.72 7.72 4.3 1 1 6 NOT 34 million dollars better. Ever so slightly, if at all.
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
I have to vehemently disagree with you on the 15-20 QB league wide ranking. The numbers in the link suggest otherwise.
You bring up Andy D but how did he do this year in Dallas?
You franchise him and work toward something long term unless you find a plan B equal to him that doesn’t cost as much considering assets you have to give up and salary you need to pay. Do you have any ideas on that replacement guy? I don’t. Perspective Wentz just cost the Colts two premium picks.
Hindsight, probably would have been better to extend him before the tags came. Keep in mind his rookie deal was peanuts given his draft spot.
I made silly statement on this forum after he got injured. I said given the injury Dallas now holds all the chips. Well I was wrong. Here we are and I think Dak is in control.
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Bold Prediction... Reich fixes Wentz only to see him get hurt.
Meanwhile appears Wentz can't handle "tough coaching".
One of the takeaways is that the former second overall pick did not respond to coaching and “(tuned) out much of what he was being taught.” Wentz reportedly did not trust Doug Pederson and the Eagles coaching staff. The same was true of Wentz’s feelings toward the front office after Philadelphia drafted Jalen Hurts in the second round last year.
Report sheds light on Carson Wentz’s work ethic issues with Eagles (msn.com)
So turns out he's a whinny lil bitch...
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
I have to vehemently disagree with you on the 15-20 QB league wide ranking. The numbers in the link suggest otherwise.
You bring up Andy D but how did he do this year in Dallas?
You franchise him and work toward something long term unless you find a plan B equal to him that doesn’t cost as much considering assets you have to give up and salary you need to pay. Do you have any ideas on that replacement guy? I don’t. Perspective Wentz just cost the Colts two premium picks.
Hindsight, probably would have been better to extend him before the tags came. Keep in mind his rookie deal was peanuts given his draft spot.
I made silly statement on this forum after he got injured. I said given the injury Dallas now holds all the chips. Well I was wrong. Here we are and I think Dak is in control.
I made silly statement on this forum after he got injured.
No biggie... we all do sooner or later.
Gipper makes them all the time...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Naturally the national media slobbers over anything Cowboys related. Not sure why at this point since they have been a mediocre to shitty team for decades now. But of course, tons of talk about what they should do with the "great" Dak Prescott. Well, I have an idea. And note I put quotes around "great" because, quite frankly it is foolish IMO to think of Prescott as great. He IS a good QB, but I think he is vastly overrated just because he plays in Dallas. I do NOT think, by any means that he is one of the best 10 QBs in the league. I think he probably ranks between 15-20. And they are talking about tagging him for like 37 million bucks, which could make him like the 3rd highest paid qb in the league? Pure Bologna. Again, in my opinion, they have a guy backing him up, Andy Dalton, who has career stats that are equal or better than Prescott. And Dalton makes only like 3 million.
So, what should the Cowboys do? : Cut him loose. Let him go to FA. Do NOT place the franchise tag on him for the 37 million. Let him hit the open market. Who is going to offer him anywhere near that? Maybe someone, but more fool them.
And they should let Dalton start.....and with that #10 pick they have in the draft, take a QB of the future. Or, if they can, move up several spaces in a trade to get one of Zack Wilson, or Justin Fields...and have a guy with a better upside leading their team at rookie wage scale for the next 4 years.
Not that I care if the Cowboys suck forever. I hope they do. (and in wanting that I would say: put 37 million into Prescott....and let the rest of the team falter and be shite.......goody , goody). But I am just talking basic value here.
Naturally the national media slobbers over anything Cowboys related. Not sure why at this point since they have been a mediocre to shitty team for decades now. But of course, tons of talk about what they should do with the "great" Dak Prescott. Well, I have an idea. And note I put quotes around "great" because, quite frankly it is foolish IMO to think of Prescott as great. He IS a good QB, but I think he is vastly overrated just because he plays in Dallas. I do NOT think, by any means that he is one of the best 10 QBs in the league. I think he probably ranks between 15-20. And they are talking about tagging him for like 37 million bucks, which could make him like the 3rd highest paid qb in the league? Pure Bologna. Again, in my opinion, they have a guy backing him up, Andy Dalton, who has career stats that are equal or better than Prescott. And Dalton makes only like 3 million.
So, what should the Cowboys do? : Cut him loose. Let him go to FA. Do NOT place the franchise tag on him for the 37 million. Let him hit the open market. Who is going to offer him anywhere near that? Maybe someone, but more fool them.
And they should let Dalton start.....and with that #10 pick they have in the draft, take a QB of the future. Or, if they can, move up several spaces in a trade to get one of Zack Wilson, or Justin Fields...and have a guy with a better upside leading their team at rookie wage scale for the next 4 years.
Not that I care if the Cowboys suck forever. I hope they do. (and in wanting that I would say: put 37 million into Prescott....and let the rest of the team falter and be shite.......goody , goody). But I am just talking basic value here.
I think people overrate him just because he is black...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Naturally the national media slobbers over anything Cowboys related. Not sure why at this point since they have been a mediocre to shitty team for decades now. But of course, tons of talk about what they should do with the "great" Dak Prescott. Well, I have an idea. And note I put quotes around "great" because, quite frankly it is foolish IMO to think of Prescott as great. He IS a good QB, but I think he is vastly overrated just because he plays in Dallas. I do NOT think, by any means that he is one of the best 10 QBs in the league. I think he probably ranks between 15-20. And they are talking about tagging him for like 37 million bucks, which could make him like the 3rd highest paid qb in the league? Pure Bologna. Again, in my opinion, they have a guy backing him up, Andy Dalton, who has career stats that are equal or better than Prescott. And Dalton makes only like 3 million.
So, what should the Cowboys do? : Cut him loose. Let him go to FA. Do NOT place the franchise tag on him for the 37 million. Let him hit the open market. Who is going to offer him anywhere near that? Maybe someone, but more fool them.
And they should let Dalton start.....and with that #10 pick they have in the draft, take a QB of the future. Or, if they can, move up several spaces in a trade to get one of Zack Wilson, or Justin Fields...and have a guy with a better upside leading their team at rookie wage scale for the next 4 years.
Not that I care if the Cowboys suck forever. I hope they do. (and in wanting that I would say: put 37 million into Prescott....and let the rest of the team falter and be shite.......goody , goody). But I am just talking basic value here.
I think people overrate him just because he is black...
I think people overrate him just because he is black...
I think people are right on the money when they call you a moron.
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
I have to vehemently disagree with you on the 15-20 QB league wide ranking. The numbers in the link suggest otherwise.
You bring up Andy D but how did he do this year in Dallas?
You franchise him and work toward something long term unless you find a plan B equal to him that doesn’t cost as much considering assets you have to give up and salary you need to pay. Do you have any ideas on that replacement guy? I don’t. Perspective Wentz just cost the Colts two premium picks.
Hindsight, probably would have been better to extend him before the tags came. Keep in mind his rookie deal was peanuts given his draft spot.
I made silly statement on this forum after he got injured. I said given the injury Dallas now holds all the chips. Well I was wrong. Here we are and I think Dak is in control.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
I have to vehemently disagree with you on the 15-20 QB league wide ranking. The numbers in the link suggest otherwise.
You bring up Andy D but how did he do this year in Dallas?
You franchise him and work toward something long term unless you find a plan B equal to him that doesn’t cost as much considering assets you have to give up and salary you need to pay. Do you have any ideas on that replacement guy? I don’t. Perspective Wentz just cost the Colts two premium picks.
Hindsight, probably would have been better to extend him before the tags came. Keep in mind his rookie deal was peanuts given his draft spot.
I made silly statement on this forum after he got injured. I said given the injury Dallas now holds all the chips. Well I was wrong. Here we are and I think Dak is in control.
I don't think you're going to see Dallas franchise tag him That's a 37.7 million dollar hit this year if they do.
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Naturally the national media slobbers over anything Cowboys related. Not sure why at this point since they have been a mediocre to shitty team for decades now. But of course, tons of talk about what they should do with the "great" Dak Prescott. Well, I have an idea. And note I put quotes around "great" because, quite frankly it is foolish IMO to think of Prescott as great. He IS a good QB, but I think he is vastly overrated just because he plays in Dallas. I do NOT think, by any means that he is one of the best 10 QBs in the league. I think he probably ranks between 15-20. And they are talking about tagging him for like 37 million bucks, which could make him like the 3rd highest paid qb in the league? Pure Bologna. Again, in my opinion, they have a guy backing him up, Andy Dalton, who has career stats that are equal or better than Prescott. And Dalton makes only like 3 million.
So, what should the Cowboys do? : Cut him loose. Let him go to FA. Do NOT place the franchise tag on him for the 37 million. Let him hit the open market. Who is going to offer him anywhere near that? Maybe someone, but more fool them.
And they should let Dalton start.....and with that #10 pick they have in the draft, take a QB of the future. Or, if they can, move up several spaces in a trade to get one of Zack Wilson, or Justin Fields...and have a guy with a better upside leading their team at rookie wage scale for the next 4 years.
Not that I care if the Cowboys suck forever. I hope they do. (and in wanting that I would say: put 37 million into Prescott....and let the rest of the team falter and be shite.......goody , goody). But I am just talking basic value here.
I think people overrate him just because he is black...
I think people overrate him just because he is black...
I think they overrate him because he’s on the Cowboys.
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Naturally the national media slobbers over anything Cowboys related. Not sure why at this point since they have been a mediocre to shitty team for decades now. But of course, tons of talk about what they should do with the "great" Dak Prescott. Well, I have an idea. And note I put quotes around "great" because, quite frankly it is foolish IMO to think of Prescott as great. He IS a good QB, but I think he is vastly overrated just because he plays in Dallas. I do NOT think, by any means that he is one of the best 10 QBs in the league. I think he probably ranks between 15-20. And they are talking about tagging him for like 37 million bucks, which could make him like the 3rd highest paid qb in the league? Pure Bologna. Again, in my opinion, they have a guy backing him up, Andy Dalton, who has career stats that are equal or better than Prescott. And Dalton makes only like 3 million.
So, what should the Cowboys do? : Cut him loose. Let him go to FA. Do NOT place the franchise tag on him for the 37 million. Let him hit the open market. Who is going to offer him anywhere near that? Maybe someone, but more fool them.
And they should let Dalton start.....and with that #10 pick they have in the draft, take a QB of the future. Or, if they can, move up several spaces in a trade to get one of Zack Wilson, or Justin Fields...and have a guy with a better upside leading their team at rookie wage scale for the next 4 years.
Not that I care if the Cowboys suck forever. I hope they do. (and in wanting that I would say: put 37 million into Prescott....and let the rest of the team falter and be shite.......goody , goody). But I am just talking basic value here.
I think people overrate him just because he is black...
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
I have to vehemently disagree with you on the 15-20 QB league wide ranking. The numbers in the link suggest otherwise.
You bring up Andy D but how did he do this year in Dallas?
You franchise him and work toward something long term unless you find a plan B equal to him that doesn’t cost as much considering assets you have to give up and salary you need to pay. Do you have any ideas on that replacement guy? I don’t. Perspective Wentz just cost the Colts two premium picks.
Hindsight, probably would have been better to extend him before the tags came. Keep in mind his rookie deal was peanuts given his draft spot.
I made silly statement on this forum after he got injured. I said given the injury Dallas now holds all the chips. Well I was wrong. Here we are and I think Dak is in control.
I don't think you're going to see Dallas franchise tag him That's a 37.7 million dollar hit this year if they do.
I don't think you're going to see Dallas franchise tag him That's a 37.7 million dollar hit this year if they do.
You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
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I don't think you're going to see Dallas franchise tag him That's a 37.7 million dollar hit this year if they do.
You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Running out of time at this point.
Tagging starts tomorrow (23rd) and ends March 9th.
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I don't think you're going to see Dallas franchise tag him That's a 37.7 million dollar hit this year if they do.
You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
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You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
Exactly. Gotta disagree with you here, Gip. Dak is a top 10-15 guy by my eye test. You can’t let one of the best 10ish QBs in the world walk, even coming off that injury. Dak is gonna get paid. Doesn’t make a shit to me who pays him, but he’s gonna get paid.
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I think the first step is to determine what the "this" is that the Cowboys have.
They have an aging OL, an average RB paid like an AllPro and a defense that gave up the most points in a season in Cowboys history.
The 2020 Cowboys were the definition of a team based on "playmakers" - WR was the only team strength - and they went 6-10.
This isn't a very well-constructed team at present. They're not just one player away.. they need both draft picks [young good players] and a new coach.. they have arguably the worst in the division.
I wouldn't resign Dak, they have more problems than one QB contract.
To those who worry about being relevant without "a QB".. they weren't relevant with him either. They're not a playoff team next season no matter what they do.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I made silly statement on this forum after he got injured.
No biggie... we all do sooner or later.
Gipper makes them all the time...
No biggie... we all do sooner or later.
Gipper makes them all the time...
And I am 99% correct, mule.
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