Quarterback Merry Go Round
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
I have to vehemently disagree with you on the 15-20 QB league wide ranking. The numbers in the link suggest otherwise.
You bring up Andy D but how did he do this year in Dallas?
You franchise him and work toward something long term unless you find a plan B equal to him that doesn’t cost as much considering assets you have to give up and salary you need to pay. Do you have any ideas on that replacement guy? I don’t. Perspective Wentz just cost the Colts two premium picks.
Hindsight, probably would have been better to extend him before the tags came. Keep in mind his rookie deal was peanuts given his draft spot.
I made silly statement on this forum after he got injured. I said given the injury Dallas now holds all the chips. Well I was wrong. Here we are and I think Dak is in control.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
I have to vehemently disagree with you on the 15-20 QB league wide ranking. The numbers in the link suggest otherwise.
You bring up Andy D but how did he do this year in Dallas?
You franchise him and work toward something long term unless you find a plan B equal to him that doesn’t cost as much considering assets you have to give up and salary you need to pay. Do you have any ideas on that replacement guy? I don’t. Perspective Wentz just cost the Colts two premium picks.
Hindsight, probably would have been better to extend him before the tags came. Keep in mind his rookie deal was peanuts given his draft spot.
I made silly statement on this forum after he got injured. I said given the injury Dallas now holds all the chips. Well I was wrong. Here we are and I think Dak is in control.
I don't think you're going to see Dallas franchise tag him That's a 37.7 million dollar hit this year if they do.
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Naturally the national media slobbers over anything Cowboys related. Not sure why at this point since they have been a mediocre to shitty team for decades now. But of course, tons of talk about what they should do with the "great" Dak Prescott. Well, I have an idea. And note I put quotes around "great" because, quite frankly it is foolish IMO to think of Prescott as great. He IS a good QB, but I think he is vastly overrated just because he plays in Dallas. I do NOT think, by any means that he is one of the best 10 QBs in the league. I think he probably ranks between 15-20. And they are talking about tagging him for like 37 million bucks, which could make him like the 3rd highest paid qb in the league? Pure Bologna. Again, in my opinion, they have a guy backing him up, Andy Dalton, who has career stats that are equal or better than Prescott. And Dalton makes only like 3 million.
So, what should the Cowboys do? : Cut him loose. Let him go to FA. Do NOT place the franchise tag on him for the 37 million. Let him hit the open market. Who is going to offer him anywhere near that? Maybe someone, but more fool them.
And they should let Dalton start.....and with that #10 pick they have in the draft, take a QB of the future. Or, if they can, move up several spaces in a trade to get one of Zack Wilson, or Justin Fields...and have a guy with a better upside leading their team at rookie wage scale for the next 4 years.
Not that I care if the Cowboys suck forever. I hope they do. (and in wanting that I would say: put 37 million into Prescott....and let the rest of the team falter and be shite.......goody , goody). But I am just talking basic value here.
I think people overrate him just because he is black...
I think people overrate him just because he is black...
I think they overrate him because he’s on the Cowboys.
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Naturally the national media slobbers over anything Cowboys related. Not sure why at this point since they have been a mediocre to shitty team for decades now. But of course, tons of talk about what they should do with the "great" Dak Prescott. Well, I have an idea. And note I put quotes around "great" because, quite frankly it is foolish IMO to think of Prescott as great. He IS a good QB, but I think he is vastly overrated just because he plays in Dallas. I do NOT think, by any means that he is one of the best 10 QBs in the league. I think he probably ranks between 15-20. And they are talking about tagging him for like 37 million bucks, which could make him like the 3rd highest paid qb in the league? Pure Bologna. Again, in my opinion, they have a guy backing him up, Andy Dalton, who has career stats that are equal or better than Prescott. And Dalton makes only like 3 million.
So, what should the Cowboys do? : Cut him loose. Let him go to FA. Do NOT place the franchise tag on him for the 37 million. Let him hit the open market. Who is going to offer him anywhere near that? Maybe someone, but more fool them.
And they should let Dalton start.....and with that #10 pick they have in the draft, take a QB of the future. Or, if they can, move up several spaces in a trade to get one of Zack Wilson, or Justin Fields...and have a guy with a better upside leading their team at rookie wage scale for the next 4 years.
Not that I care if the Cowboys suck forever. I hope they do. (and in wanting that I would say: put 37 million into Prescott....and let the rest of the team falter and be shite.......goody , goody). But I am just talking basic value here.
I think people overrate him just because he is black...
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
I have to vehemently disagree with you on the 15-20 QB league wide ranking. The numbers in the link suggest otherwise.
You bring up Andy D but how did he do this year in Dallas?
You franchise him and work toward something long term unless you find a plan B equal to him that doesn’t cost as much considering assets you have to give up and salary you need to pay. Do you have any ideas on that replacement guy? I don’t. Perspective Wentz just cost the Colts two premium picks.
Hindsight, probably would have been better to extend him before the tags came. Keep in mind his rookie deal was peanuts given his draft spot.
I made silly statement on this forum after he got injured. I said given the injury Dallas now holds all the chips. Well I was wrong. Here we are and I think Dak is in control.
I don't think you're going to see Dallas franchise tag him That's a 37.7 million dollar hit this year if they do.
I don't think you're going to see Dallas franchise tag him That's a 37.7 million dollar hit this year if they do.
You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
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I don't think you're going to see Dallas franchise tag him That's a 37.7 million dollar hit this year if they do.
You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Running out of time at this point.
Tagging starts tomorrow (23rd) and ends March 9th.
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I don't think you're going to see Dallas franchise tag him That's a 37.7 million dollar hit this year if they do.
You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
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You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
Exactly. Gotta disagree with you here, Gip. Dak is a top 10-15 guy by my eye test. You can’t let one of the best 10ish QBs in the world walk, even coming off that injury. Dak is gonna get paid. Doesn’t make a shit to me who pays him, but he’s gonna get paid.
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I think the first step is to determine what the "this" is that the Cowboys have.
They have an aging OL, an average RB paid like an AllPro and a defense that gave up the most points in a season in Cowboys history.
The 2020 Cowboys were the definition of a team based on "playmakers" - WR was the only team strength - and they went 6-10.
This isn't a very well-constructed team at present. They're not just one player away.. they need both draft picks [young good players] and a new coach.. they have arguably the worst in the division.
I wouldn't resign Dak, they have more problems than one QB contract.
To those who worry about being relevant without "a QB".. they weren't relevant with him either. They're not a playoff team next season no matter what they do.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I made silly statement on this forum after he got injured.
No biggie... we all do sooner or later.
Gipper makes them all the time...
No biggie... we all do sooner or later.
Gipper makes them all the time...
And I am 99% correct, mule.
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
I have to vehemently disagree with you on the 15-20 QB league wide ranking. The numbers in the link suggest otherwise.
You bring up Andy D but how did he do this year in Dallas?
You franchise him and work toward something long term unless you find a plan B equal to him that doesn’t cost as much considering assets you have to give up and salary you need to pay. Do you have any ideas on that replacement guy? I don’t. Perspective Wentz just cost the Colts two premium picks.
Hindsight, probably would have been better to extend him before the tags came. Keep in mind his rookie deal was peanuts given his draft spot.
I made silly statement on this forum after he got injured. I said given the injury Dallas now holds all the chips. Well I was wrong. Here we are and I think Dak is in control.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
I have to vehemently disagree with you on the 15-20 QB league wide ranking. The numbers in the link suggest otherwise.
I think I could easily come up with 15 QBs in this league that would be preferable to Dak. Though, between Brees and Rivers a couple may retire.
You bring up Andy D but how did he do this year in Dallas?
I posted the numbers right above here. They were not that far off Daks.
You franchise him and work toward something long term unless you find a plan B equal to him that doesn’t cost as much considering assets you have to give up and salary you need to pay. Do you have any ideas on that replacement guy? I don’t.
And, I just told you: You have Dalton as the bridge QB and you draft a guy with the #10 pick...or you move up some: So: Fields, Wilson, Jones...or that other kid from ND St.
Perspective Wentz just cost the Colts two premium picks.
Hindsight, probably would have been better to extend him before the tags came. Keep in mind his rookie deal was peanuts given his draft spot.
Sure, but they didn't and they are stuck with this situation. They could have had him for a lot less....for something more commensurate with his "value"
I made silly statement on this forum after he got injured. I said given the injury Dallas now holds all the chips. Well I was wrong. Here we are and I think Dak is in control.
ONLY if the Cowboys allow him to be in control. If they say: Dak...take a walk, we will use Dalton and draft a guy. then they are in control.
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Naturally the national media slobbers over anything Cowboys related. Not sure why at this point since they have been a mediocre to shitty team for decades now. But of course, tons of talk about what they should do with the "great" Dak Prescott. Well, I have an idea. And note I put quotes around "great" because, quite frankly it is foolish IMO to think of Prescott as great. He IS a good QB, but I think he is vastly overrated just because he plays in Dallas. I do NOT think, by any means that he is one of the best 10 QBs in the league. I think he probably ranks between 15-20. And they are talking about tagging him for like 37 million bucks, which could make him like the 3rd highest paid qb in the league? Pure Bologna. Again, in my opinion, they have a guy backing him up, Andy Dalton, who has career stats that are equal or better than Prescott. And Dalton makes only like 3 million.
So, what should the Cowboys do? : Cut him loose. Let him go to FA. Do NOT place the franchise tag on him for the 37 million. Let him hit the open market. Who is going to offer him anywhere near that? Maybe someone, but more fool them.
And they should let Dalton start.....and with that #10 pick they have in the draft, take a QB of the future. Or, if they can, move up several spaces in a trade to get one of Zack Wilson, or Justin Fields...and have a guy with a better upside leading their team at rookie wage scale for the next 4 years.
Not that I care if the Cowboys suck forever. I hope they do. (and in wanting that I would say: put 37 million into Prescott....and let the rest of the team falter and be shite.......goody , goody). But I am just talking basic value here.
I think people overrate him just because he is black...
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I think they overrate him because he’s on the Cowboys.
OK....I owe you a Coke.
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I don't think you're going to see Dallas franchise tag him That's a 37.7 million dollar hit this year if they do.
You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Under my scenario, YES, I want him to hit free agency.
Honestly: Do any of you think that if he "hits" free agency and is on the open market that he is really going to get offers approaching 37 million dollars? Given the potential glut of QBs available....given the contracted salary cap, who is going to come close to offering him that? What team out there would be able.....(cap wise) and willing to give him that kind of money? I can think of only 4 teams that could have some interest: Washington, New England, Denver, Carolina....... and a couple of those would have to do some major cap maneuvering....and still I could see them only offering something maybe 10 million less than what he wants.
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You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
Again, he is only in the driver seat if the Cowboys let him be. Let the other teams bid. ...see my above post. Cowboys, IMO would be better off letting other teams outbid them.
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You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Under my scenario, YES, I want him to hit free agency.
Honestly: Do any of you think that if he "hits" free agency and is on the open market that he is really going to get offers approaching 37 million dollars? Given the potential glut of QBs available....given the contracted salary cap, who is going to come close to offering him that? What team out there would be able.....(cap wise) and willing to give him that kind of money? I can think of only 4 teams that could have some interest: Washington, New England, Denver, Carolina....... and a couple of those would have to do some major cap maneuvering....and still I could see them only offering something maybe 10 million less than what he wants.
Under my scenario, YES, I want him to hit free agency.
Honestly: Do any of you think that if he "hits" free agency and is on the open market that he is really going to get offers approaching 37 million dollars? Given the potential glut of QBs available....given the contracted salary cap, who is going to come close to offering him that? What team out there would be able.....(cap wise) and willing to give him that kind of money? I can think of only 4 teams that could have some interest: Washington, New England, Denver, Carolina....... and a couple of those would have to do some major cap maneuvering....and still I could see them only offering something maybe 10 million less than what he wants.
Of those 4 teams, I could see Washington doing it for sure. The owner there is an idiot. And would do just about anything to keep his crap team in the news
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Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
Again, he is only in the driver seat if the Cowboys let him be. Let the other teams bid. ...see my above post. Cowboys, IMO would be better off letting other teams outbid them.
Again, he is only in the driver seat if the Cowboys let him be. Let the other teams bid. ...see my above post. Cowboys, IMO would be better off letting other teams outbid them.
The cowboys would be better off letting teams outbid them, but Jerrah isn’t going to let that happen
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Let the cowboys and Indians jack up the price for a qb that hasn’t won a damn thing
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I think the first step is to determine what the "this" is that the Cowboys have.
They have an aging OL, an average RB paid like an AllPro and a defense that gave up the most points in a season in Cowboys history.
The 2020 Cowboys were the definition of a team based on "playmakers" - WR was the only team strength - and they went 6-10.
This isn't a very well-constructed team at present. They're not just one player away.. they need both draft picks [young good players] and a new coach.. they have arguably the worst in the division.
I wouldn't resign Dak, they have more problems than one QB contract.
To those who worry about being relevant without "a QB".. they weren't relevant with him either. They're not a playoff team next season no matter what they do.
I think the first step is to determine what the "this" is that the Cowboys have.
They have an aging OL, an average RB paid like an AllPro and a defense that gave up the most points in a season in Cowboys history.
The 2020 Cowboys were the definition of a team based on "playmakers" - WR was the only team strength - and they went 6-10.
This isn't a very well-constructed team at present. They're not just one player away.. they need both draft picks [young good players] and a new coach.. they have arguably the worst in the division.
I wouldn't resign Dak, they have more problems than one QB contract.
To those who worry about being relevant without "a QB".. they weren't relevant with him either. They're not a playoff team next season no matter what they do.
There you go. Well said. If Dak were the key to this team contending for a title....sure, the analysis, the need for him being the major issue for that team, then maybe you think about giving him the farm. But that is a shit team that needs a vast infusion of talent in a lot of places. Giving Dak 37 million of your salary cap assures they stay a shit team. And that may be fine: if you can't stand the Cowboys and their owner. Let them both rot as far as I am concerned. I am only putting forth the argument for what any NFL, regardless of who they are, should look at.
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