JJ Watt to Cardinals

The Gipper

@texasag1969 said:

So it's his fault what happened down in Houston this past couple of weeks!!?

Actually, as much to blame for that as anyone is one mister Jerrah Jones. For real. I hear he is gouging the shit out of the citizens of Texas for their natural gas of which he apparently controls quite a bit. And apparently he was gleeful about it, crying out how he hit the jackpot with that disaster. What a scum sucking cockhole!:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/02/19/jerry-jones-gas-company-jacks-prices-during-texas-power-crisis

Tour2ma

@atom said:

is Watt just a name much like Clowney was (thank god we didnt sign that ass clown) one thing about watt compared to clowney is that I have never heard of watt taking plays let alone games off and watt is a leader among men

But can u count on him to be on the field ?

sign him to the league minimum and see what he brings

No
No
LMAO...

@erie-dawg said:

Now the rumors of Von Miller being possibly in play are interesting. I'd take either one.

Stop it!

Miller is due to make $22mm. What part of Cap crunch do you knot understand besides all of it?

Vagitron

@tour2ma said:

No

No

LMAO...

Stop it!

Miller is due to make $22mm. What part of Cap crunch do you knot understand besides all of it?

If watt plays for league min it’s in Pittsburgh and no where else. He’s getting too much attention otherwise. I’d also be shocked if Denver moves on from Miller. Crazy shit has happened tho, I just want the cap number released and the off-season to move forward because I’m tired of the speculation train. In my case Ben. You are either playing at a steep discount or retiring. I don’t want the Steelers to blow up the time for one last ride kind of thing.

Erie Dawg

@tour2ma said:

No

No

LMAO...

Stop it!

Miller is due to make $22mm. What part of Cap crunch do you knot understand besides all of it?

Knot? Or not or don't? This is the first time that I've heard the browns are in a cap crunch.

Blind and can't spell.

The Gipper

@vagitron said:

If watt plays for league min it’s in Pittsburgh and no where else. He’s getting too much attention otherwise. I’d also be shocked if Denver moves on from Miller. Crazy shit has happened tho, I just want the cap number released and the off-season to move forward because I’m tired of the speculation train. In my case Ben. You are either playing at a steep discount or retiring. I don’t want the Steelers to blow up the time for one last ride kind of thing.

For any smart or realistic people out there, if Watt goes anywhere to play for much "below market" it is likely Green Bay. He is not going to play in Pittsburgh for the league veteran minimum just to play with his brothers. If he plays for a decent amount of money there, it could hurt their chances of signing TJ Watt to a decent extension. He is not going to screw his brother up.

BR either retiring or taking a huge cut still won't solve Pisstown's problems.

Unsympathetic

@erie-dawg said:

This is the first time that I've heard the browns are in a cap crunch.

If the cap is 185 [optimistic] then the one-year cap Browns have to sign rookies and any FA - including mitch and higgins among others - is 21M.

Current Browns salary liabilities for 2021 are at the cap of last season - 196M.. and we have signed zero FA or rookies. 196 is 11M above the 2021 cap.. so that 11M already comes off the total of our "rollover" from last year, or 32M.

Rookies will be roughly 8 - that link shows an expected 2021 salary for every pick in May's draft.

So we're already down to only 13M for Browns' actual one-year cap space.. and we still haven't signed any FA such as Mitch or Higgins.

Of course, if Watt is willing to sign for 2/13, great! Other than that, someone's getting cut or restructured. Sure, something would likely get done because higgins and mitch are great depth pieces -- but nothing has happened yet.

Browns do not have anything close to the space to take on Miller's 22M salary.. another way of wording that is cap crunch.

What, you expected companies whose business model requires you to click on a link.. to write a somber realistic assessment?

Erie Dawg

Unfortunately NFL salary crap structures are not as simple as that. They can restructure and create cap space if they feel the need and currently we are sitting better than the rest of the rumored teams to be interested in watt.

And I can guarantee I have absolutely hundreds and hundreds of less hours invested in research into the cap. Honestly don't care.It's an utter waste of time, there is more important things to do than to invest time into something you have no control over. If we get him awesome if we don't oh well.

But as far as crunching goes we ain't that far off if we want to get him. Crunching numbers to me would be if we were in the negative or only plus a mill or two. Then we would be not having conversations of signing anyone.

SdBacker80

@erie-dawg said:

Unfortunately NFL salary crap structures are not as simple as that. They can restructure and create cap space if they feel the need and currently we are sitting better than the rest of the rumored teams to be interested in watt.

And I can guarantee I have absolutely hundreds and hundreds of less hours invested in research into the cap. Honestly don't care.It's an utter waste of time, there is more important things to do than to invest time into something you have no control over. If we get him awesome if we don't oh well.

But as far as crunching goes we ain't that far off if we want to get him. Crunching numbers to me would be if we were in the negative or only plus a mill or two. Then we would be not having conversations of signing anyone.

And they may not have long term obligations with guys like Ward, Bitonio, Tretter, OBJ, and Chubb. As unpopular as some of those moves would be it could be our impending reality.

We aren’t in bad spot at all. We don’t have a roster riddled with bad contracts.

But you see where this is headed it doesn’t take an advanced level of cap knowledge to see that.

1. We are locked in Garrett

2. We may be locked into Baker (big cap number coming soon)

So two biggies and then you get frugal and you hopefully amass some draft capital to fill needs cheaply (doing that well this season - got 9 picks).

We have two years IMO until the reality of two large contracts and role players set in so peddle to floor would be my approach for 21 and 22.

This year you have some restructure candidates, trade candidates and cut candidates not many though that can create space to get a little better and maybe that little better we overtake Baltimore, Buffalo and KC. What additions make our personnel groups better to take on those teams.

Now is the time my friends

Erie Dawg

@sdbacker80 said:

And they may not have long term obligations with guys like Ward, Bitonio, Tretter, OBJ, and Chubb. As unpopular as some of those moves would be it could be our impending reality.

We aren’t in bad spot at all. We don’t have a roster riddled with bad contracts.

But you see where this is headed it doesn’t take an advanced level of cap knowledge to see that.

1. We are locked in Garrett

2. We may be locked into Baker (big cap number coming soon)

So two biggies and then you get frugal and you hopefully amass some draft capital to fill needs cheaply (doing that well this season - got 9 picks).

We have two years IMO until the reality of two large contracts and role players set in so peddle to floor would be my approach for 21 and 22.

This year you have some restructure candidates, trade candidates and cut candidates not many though that can create space to get a little better and maybe that little better we overtake Baltimore, Buffalo and KC. What additions make our personnel groups better to take on those teams.

Now is the time my friends

Yep I agree. If they can make it happen great.

We don't have to worry about Baker yet and can tag him for a year if needed.

Unsympathetic

@sdbacker80 said:

What additions make our personnel groups better

If we go after Watt, we have less depth at DB, LB, DL -- because 2/3 of those groups from our roster this past season are UFA right now.. not on our roster and not part of the group that adds to 196. If you want good groups you can't have lots of superstars. If you want superstars you better get very lucky that those stars don't get injured.. which is not a bet I'd make on Watt.

And remember: If your solution is to "make moves from our current roster" .. that means some group's strength is decreased.

But if cap reality is too much detail.. of course everything is solved with magical thinking! And if it's going to be magical thinking.. we don't need Watt -- we have Future Hall of Famer Curtis Weaver coming off injury next season for our edge rotation!

SdBacker80

@unsympathetic said:

If we go after Watt, we have less depth at DB, LB, DL -- because 2/3 of those groups from our roster this past season are UFA right now.. not on our roster and not part of the group that adds to 196. If you want good groups you can't have lots of superstars. If you want superstars you better get very lucky that those stars don't get injured.. which is not a bet I'd make on Watt.

And remember: If your solution is to "make moves from our current roster" .. that means some group's strength is decreased.

But if cap reality is too much detail.. of course everything is solved with magical thinking! And if it's going to be magical thinking.. we don't need Watt -- we have Future Hall of Famer Curtis Weaver coming off injury next season for our edge rotation!

Well I mentioned Curtis Weaver as a lottery ticket a month ago or so. So I’m on that thought. But I mentioned Watt+plus a high pick plus a Porter Gustin combo as a decent option. I’d argue an improvement from what we had last year.

And I’ve mentioned we can maneuver this season unlike most teams. “maneuver” can take on many forms and we aren’t crippled by this unlike most teams.

We can save down the road but the reality is I don’t think we are saving to retain all of these 22, 23 FAs we have.

its win now and build around Baker and Myles later

Unsympathetic

Always can maneuver -- but much less with Watt on the roster.

As in all things, it's either have productive depth OR have a superstar. Can't do both.. this isn't Madden on easy

The Gipper

@unsympathetic said:

If we go after Watt, we have less depth at DB, LB, DL -- because 2/3 of those groups from our roster this past season are UFA right now.. not on our roster and not part of the group that adds to 196. If you want good groups you can't have lots of superstars. If you want superstars you better get very lucky that those stars don't get injured.. which is not a bet I'd make on Watt.

And remember: If your solution is to "make moves from our current roster" .. that means some group's strength is decreased.

But if cap reality is too much detail.. of course everything is solved with magical thinking! And if it's going to be magical thinking.. we don't need Watt -- we have Future Hall of Famer Curtis Weaver coming off injury next season for our edge rotation!

Whatever the fuck we do, sign Watt, not sign Watt. Extend players, not extend players.....whatever, we need to improve this defense.

Maybe getting injured guys back....Delpit, Williams....Charlie/Sigourney/Curtis/Dennis/Earl/Fritz/Buck Weaver...whomever.....and drafting some players is all we need. Don't really know.....I just know the Browns need to improve their defense.

SdBacker80

@unsympathetic said:

Always can maneuver -- but much less with Watt on the roster.

As in all things, it's either have productive depth OR have a superstar. Can't do both.. this isn't Madden on easy

I don’t play Madden or video games for that matter.

Im on the Watt train but the train stops if he wants multi year superstar money.
Much like most talent available it looks good until I see the asking price.

darren15

Apparently it is between Titans, Packers and Bills for JJ Watt, according to John Clayton.

Tour2ma