Quarterback Merry Go Round
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OK, here are the current starting QBs that I think I would rate ahead of Dak:
Darnold
Ben R. at least the BR from the first part of last year.....put question mark beside him
Allen
Ryan
Brady
Jackson
Tannehill
Burrow
Mayfield
Goff
Rodgers
Cousins....maybe
Mahomes
Watson
Carr....maybe
Herbert
Stafford
Garropolo...maybe
Wilson
That is 15 for certain that I believe are better. 3-4 others that he is in the same boat as he perhaps.
No on
Ryan, Tannehill, Burrow, Goff, Cousins, Carr, Herbert, Stafford or Jimmy G.
Yes on the remaining.
Puts him just inside of the Top 10.
This Dak vs. Dalton comparison is cracking me up...ask any Cowboy fan and I know you have to search high and low for ones that aren’t delusional but find a sane one and ask them about the very small gap in performance with Andy D vs. Dak
Some of you are too fixated on the old Andy and some of you didn’t watch a lot of Big D football last season
No on
Ryan, Tannehill, Burrow, Goff, Cousins, Carr, Herbert, Stafford or Jimmy G.
Yes on the remaining.
Puts him just inside of the Top 10.
I said he is perhaps on par with Carr, Cousins, Garrop. Not the others. He might at best squeeze into the Top 15.
Anyone and everyone would bet on the futures of Burrow and Herbert over Dak. You might argue on Goff. The only possible argument on Ryan would be age. Even there...at best he gets to 14....or 15, maybe.
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No on
Ryan, Tannehill, Burrow, Goff, Cousins, Carr, Herbert, Stafford or Jimmy G.
Yes on the remaining.
Puts him just inside of the Top 10.
I said he is perhaps on par with Carr, Cousins, Garrop. Not the others. He might at best squeeze into the Top 15.
Anyone and everyone would bet on the futures of Burrow and Herbert over Dak. You might argue on Goff. The only possible argument on Ryan would be age. Even there...at best he gets to 14....or 15, maybe.
I said he is perhaps on par with Carr, Cousins, Garrop. Not the others. He might at best squeeze into the Top 15.
He’s better than those 3.
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I said he is perhaps on par with Carr, Cousins, Garrop. Not the others. He might at best squeeze into the Top 15.
He’s better than those 3.
He’s better than those 3.
Debateable at best. Nevertheless Carr is schedule to make 19.5 mill in 2021. Cousins: 31 mill. Garrop: 26 mill. For an average of 25.5 mill. That is about what Dak SHOULD be paid. That should be his market value.
Fair to say?
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He’s better than those 3.
Debateable at best. Nevertheless Carr is schedule to make 19.5 mill in 2021. Cousins: 31 mill. Garrop: 26 mill. For an average of 25.5 mill. That is about what Dak SHOULD be paid. That should be his market value.
Fair to say?
Debateable at best. Nevertheless Carr is schedule to make 19.5 mill in 2021. Cousins: 31 mill. Garrop: 26 mill. For an average of 25.5 mill. That is about what Dak SHOULD be paid. That should be his market value.
Fair to say?
I missed Darnold too...
you think that Darnold is better than Dak????
Is this a mistake on your part?
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He’s better than those 3.
Debateable at best. Nevertheless Carr is schedule to make 19.5 mill in 2021. Cousins: 31 mill. Garrop: 26 mill. For an average of 25.5 mill. That is about what Dak SHOULD be paid. That should be his market value.
Fair to say?
Debateable at best. Nevertheless Carr is schedule to make 19.5 mill in 2021. Cousins: 31 mill. Garrop: 26 mill. For an average of 25.5 mill. That is about what Dak SHOULD be paid. That should be his market value.
Fair to say?
Well he’s the last to be paid and your market value is what someone is willing to pay. And If Cousins is making 31M and I’m Daks agent I’m saying he should make more.
there are many Free Agency rankings and Dak tops the list so there are many opinions out there that he the prize of this class
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Debateable at best. Nevertheless Carr is schedule to make 19.5 mill in 2021. Cousins: 31 mill. Garrop: 26 mill. For an average of 25.5 mill. That is about what Dak SHOULD be paid. That should be his market value.
Fair to say?
I missed Darnold too...
you think that Darnold is better than Dak????
Is this a mistake on your part?
I missed Darnold too...
you think that Darnold is better than Dak????
Yes.
Is this a mistake on your part?
No
Give Darnold Dak's weapons and he would prove as good or better.
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Debateable at best. Nevertheless Carr is schedule to make 19.5 mill in 2021. Cousins: 31 mill. Garrop: 26 mill. For an average of 25.5 mill. That is about what Dak SHOULD be paid. That should be his market value.
Fair to say?
Well he’s the last to be paid and your market value is what someone is willing to pay. And If Cousins is making 31M and I’m Daks agent I’m saying he should make more.
there are many Free Agency rankings and Dak tops the list so there are many opinions out there that he the prize of this class
Well he’s the last to be paid and your market value is what someone is willing to pay. And If Cousins is making 31M and I’m Daks agent I’m saying he should make more.
That is fine.....Cousins isn't really worth what he is paid, but I understand the argument.
there are many Free Agency rankings and Dak tops the list so there are many opinions out there that he the prize of this class
But then, the other part of the argument is that he should not be paid as well as those other 15 or so QBs who are better than he (though I know guys on rookie deals don't get paid). So, my argument is that he should not be paid more than an overpaid QB who is about his equal in talent. Two wrongs don't make a right.
By the way...though I think Dak is in the middle of NFL QBs and that he should be paid nowhere near the 37 million.....I am perfectly OK with the Cowboys tagging and paying him.....because it fucks them up for a long long time. And other than the Steelers and the Ravens, no team deserved to be fucked up for a long time more than they do.
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You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
He's good- but $37 million good? Tagging him really doesn't make financial sense, but we're talking Jerrah World here.
Of those 4 teams, I could see Washington doing it for sure. The owner there is an idiot. And would do just about anything to keep his crap team in the news
Checking cap room- the Patriots have the room. And Fig Newton is as good as gone. Gipper- Newton positively stunk last year- worse even than Wentz.
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Isn't that against the law, during a natural disaster?
Uhh....Not in Texas apparently. A single oil companies paid like a million dollars in campaign contributions to each of like Abbott, the Gov. Cruz, Rick Perry, former Gov. and others. (that was not Jerry Jones company...he may also have paid them huge bribes). Basically to pass laws to have -0- regulations on the energy industry in that state. By law they are allowed to A. make those bribes B. Invest NO money into any weatherization or safety equipment and C. charge whatever they want to the point of outrageous gouging with their prices in times of crisis. They were apparently giving some people a $17,000.00 monthly bill for their natural gas.
Uhh....Not in Texas apparently. A single oil companies paid like a million dollars in campaign contributions to each of like Abbott, the Gov. Cruz, Rick Perry, former Gov. and others. (that was not Jerry Jones company...he may also have paid them huge bribes). Basically to pass laws to have -0- regulations on the energy industry in that state. By law they are allowed to A. make those bribes B. Invest NO money into any weatherization or safety equipment and C. charge whatever they want to the point of outrageous gouging with their prices in times of crisis. They were apparently giving some people a $17,000.00 monthly bill for their natural gas.
Regarding those insane utility bills. I sort of understand what happened (for some people) it was a supply and demand thing. Buy your energy on the open (Texas) market- and roll the dice. If there was NO supply and incredible demand- people were getting charged 300 times their normal bill. $2 bucks a day turned into $600. MHO is there's going to be some roll backs. One of the companies accused of gouging warned customers to switch a couple days ahead. Um sorry Charlie- those that tried to were told- we can take you on in around two weeks. Result = you were royally screwed.
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Uhh....Not in Texas apparently. A single oil companies paid like a million dollars in campaign contributions to each of like Abbott, the Gov. Cruz, Rick Perry, former Gov. and others. (that was not Jerry Jones company...he may also have paid them huge bribes). Basically to pass laws to have -0- regulations on the energy industry in that state. By law they are allowed to A. make those bribes B. Invest NO money into any weatherization or safety equipment and C. charge whatever they want to the point of outrageous gouging with their prices in times of crisis. They were apparently giving some people a $17,000.00 monthly bill for their natural gas.
Regarding those insane utility bills. I sort of understand what happened (for some people) it was a supply and demand thing. Buy your energy on the open (Texas) market- and roll the dice. If there was NO supply and incredible demand- people were getting charged 300 times their normal bill. $2 bucks a day turned into $600. MHO is there's going to be some roll backs. One of the companies accused of gouging warned customers to switch a couple days ahead. Um sorry Charlie- those that tried to were told- we can take you on in around two weeks. Result = you were royally screwed.
Regarding those insane utility bills. I sort of understand what happened (for some people) it was a supply and demand thing. Buy your energy on the open (Texas) market- and roll the dice. If there was NO supply and incredible demand- people were getting charged 300 times their normal bill. $2 bucks a day turned into $600. MHO is there's going to be some roll backs. One of the companies accused of gouging warned customers to switch a couple days ahead. Um sorry Charlie- those that tried to were told- we can take you on in around two weeks. Result = you were royally screwed.
But companies are people too hoorta, and they'll always do right by their customers... ?
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Sam Darnold, better than Dak Prescott.
Hilarious.
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I was including the guys that have been on the trade block. We have seen Goff, Stafford, Wentz traded so far. Watson wants out. Cam Newton is out there. Trubisky. There is discussion about several others as well as potential trades/cuts: Darnold, Bridgewater. Tua. Maybe a few others. Plus, you have 4-5 possible first round picks who have to be included in the mix. So, yea...12-15 potential QBs to fill spots. That's a comparative "glut".
None of them are even close to the same level including the potential 1st Rd pick this year. If you were a team like the Jag's or jets. I'd take a hard look at Dak and draft top level playmakers to surround him. I'm really not sold on the incoming QB class.
Ignoring the guys that were traded: Cam has been a better QB in the past certainly. Could he be again? And IMO, both Darnold and Trubisky are equal or better talents. Yes, that's right. They just have not had a chance to show it in that they have had nowhere near the same kind of talented weapons that Dak has had.
Not exactly. If Dallas exercises the tag....they control his destiny. Yes but He gets paid 37 mil. Guaranteed for the year. Sure...but they still control that situation.
If they don't and let him go to free agency...then they control that as well.
I don't see how the cowboys have any control if he takes a better offer.? They control the fact that they can let him go...and by doing so, they control themselves and the fact that Dak will likely get nowhere near the money he expects elsewhere.
He would control his own destiny then...ONLY to the point that someone else may also have an interest in him. He can't just go where he wants, because most of the league would have no interest in him as a FA. He can't go to Seattle if he wants. Or the Rams or Chargers or Cardinals, nor the Packers, Colts, Browns, Bengals, Titans....or many other teams. He will have the choice perhaps of just a very few really: those who want him and can afford him. That eliminates probably 3/4ths of the league....which would mean that maybe he would have at most 8 teams interested. Including maybe Dallas on a reduced deal.
And we as Browns fans know the value in a Franchise QB and so does every other franchise. It's not like they are everywhere. And If there is interest from 8 other teams the cowboys could loose him if they don't play ball.
The word is Lose, not loose. And yes...they lose him. That is the whole point, they lose a guy that they would have to pay 37 million dollars to who they DON"T want to pay that kind of money to. (or...have no business paying that kind of money to) . Sayonara sucker. Now...if he would agree to sign for maybe 25 million....they could keep him. Even if any of you think Dak is in the Top 10-15 QBs in the league...he sure as hell is not in the top 3 QBs in the league....and that is what he would be paid like if they tagged him and paid him the 37 million.
Ignoring the guys that were traded: Cam has been a better QB in the past certainly. Could he be again? And IMO, both Darnold and Trubisky are equal or better talents. Yes, that's right. They just have not had a chance to show it in that they have had nowhere near the same kind of talented weapons that Dak has had.
Lol if cam was so great why isn't he in Carolina still and on his way out of NE? Turbisky was benched how many times last year? If he was so great why'd they bench him? Darnold is just another USC over hyped QB. That hasn't proven any thing other than he can throw just as many TD as int.
Sure...but they still control that situation.
Ok? If you feel that is somehow a win. Because if he walks and makes more who won. Not cash strapped Dallas.
If they don't and let him go to free agency...then they control that as well.
The word is Lose, not loose. And yes...they lose him. That is the whole point, they lose a guy that they would have to pay 37 million dollars to who they DON"T want to pay that kind of money to. (or...have no business paying that kind of money to) . Sayonara sucker. Now...if he would agree to sign for maybe 25 million....they could keep him. Even if any of you think Dak is in the Top 10-15 QBs in the league...he sure as hell is not in the top 3 QBs in the league....and that is what he would be paid like if they tagged him and paid him the 37 million.
What ever the word is Jerry backed himself into the corner by either tagging him which they can't or paying him what his market value is which they may not be able to. But it's hard to let a franchise QB walk out the door. Which may happen if there are better offers out there.
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OK, here are the current starting QBs that I think I would rate ahead of Dak:
Darnold
Ben R. at least the BR from the first part of last year.....put question mark beside him
Allen
Ryan
Brady
Jackson
Tannehill
Burrow
Mayfield
Goff
Rodgers
Cousins....maybe
Mahomes
Watson
Carr....maybe
Herbert
Stafford
Garropolo...maybe
Wilson
That is 15 for certain that I believe are better. 3-4 others that he is in the same boat as he perhaps.
No on
Ryan, Tannehill, Burrow, Goff, Cousins, Carr, Herbert, Stafford or Jimmy G.
Yes on the remaining.
Puts him just inside of the Top 10.
This Dak vs. Dalton comparison is cracking me up...ask any Cowboy fan and I know you have to search high and low for ones that aren’t delusional but find a sane one and ask them about the very small gap in performance with Andy D vs. Dak
Some of you are too fixated on the old Andy and some of you didn’t watch a lot of Big D football last season
No on
Ryan, Tannehill, Burrow, Goff, Cousins, Carr, Herbert, Stafford or Jimmy G.
Yes on the remaining.
Puts him just inside of the Top 10.
I'd take him over Ben and close on Mayfield. I watched Allen put up some good throws and make some dumb plays as well.
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Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
He's good- but $37 million good? Tagging him really doesn't make financial sense, but we're talking Jerrah World here.
Of those 4 teams, I could see Washington doing it for sure. The owner there is an idiot. And would do just about anything to keep his crap team in the news
Checking cap room- the Patriots have the room. And Fig Newton is as good as gone. Gipper- Newton positively stunk last year- worse even than Wentz.
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No on
Ryan, Tannehill, Burrow, Goff, Cousins, Carr, Herbert, Stafford or Jimmy G.
Yes on the remaining.
Puts him just inside of the Top 10.
I'd take him over Ben and close on Mayfield. I watched Allen put up some good throws and make some dumb plays as well.
I'd take him over Ben and close on Mayfield. I watched Allen put up some good throws and make some dumb plays as well.
I must have missed Ben - me too.
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Uhh....Not in Texas apparently. A single oil companies paid like a million dollars in campaign contributions to each of like Abbott, the Gov. Cruz, Rick Perry, former Gov. and others. (that was not Jerry Jones company...he may also have paid them huge bribes). Basically to pass laws to have -0- regulations on the energy industry in that state. By law they are allowed to A. make those bribes B. Invest NO money into any weatherization or safety equipment and C. charge whatever they want to the point of outrageous gouging with their prices in times of crisis. They were apparently giving some people a $17,000.00 monthly bill for their natural gas.
Regarding those insane utility bills. I sort of understand what happened (for some people) it was a supply and demand thing. Buy your energy on the open (Texas) market- and roll the dice. If there was NO supply and incredible demand- people were getting charged 300 times their normal bill. $2 bucks a day turned into $600. MHO is there's going to be some roll backs. One of the companies accused of gouging warned customers to switch a couple days ahead. Um sorry Charlie- those that tried to were told- we can take you on in around two weeks. Result = you were royally screwed.
MHO is there's going to be some roll backs
Seriously, I bet you money there won't be.
An additional knock-on effect of this storm is on home insurance and family lives due to thousands of houses destroyed from the frozen pipes.
This is the entire point of not being on the federal grids -- the operator profits off charging people usurious rates [they paid normal rates for the production] and will not get prosecuted for it due to owning the politicians. I bet the politicians cost less than winterizing the grid... why bother with actual operating expenses?
Welcome to late-stage capitalism.
This is also how/why you hear the phrase.. socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the rest of us : Through the ownership of the politicians, companies and entire industries [Wall Street, airlines just to name a couple] can get bailed out for trillions daily.. and nothing for anyone else. Also one of several reasons why companies deliberately don't do preventative maintenance even on foreseeable dangers because "the disaster" is what's used to "justify" the trillions. Hence the name... disaster capitalism.
And we haven't even discussed the fun of markets consisting of only one company - aka a monopoly - and the reasons why monopolies are bad for workers and customers. Yes, the company will "do the right thing" - but their definition of "right" is very different than yours. The Uber pitch deck to middle east governments explicitly states that once they achieve market moving power in an area, prices ramp massively.
Companies have always and will always intend to screw both customers and workers alike for $. If you really think anything else.. corporate PR is sold to you.
The notion that corporations are in any way "good actors" without the force of law directly applied is.. foolish at best, deliberately disingenuous at worst. Or cognitive dissonance perhaps.. if it's too painful to contemplate a society in which companies are actually that evil.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Sam Darnold, better than Dak Prescott.
Hilarious.
Sam Darnold, better than Dak Prescott.
Hilarious.
Give Darnold Amari Cooper, CeeDee Lamb, Michael Gallup and it would prove to be true.
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Ignoring the guys that were traded: Cam has been a better QB in the past certainly. Could he be again? And IMO, both Darnold and Trubisky are equal or better talents. Yes, that's right. They just have not had a chance to show it in that they have had nowhere near the same kind of talented weapons that Dak has had.
Lol if cam was so great why isn't he in Carolina still and on his way out of NE? Turbisky was benched how many times last year? If he was so great why'd they bench him? Darnold is just another USC over hyped QB. That hasn't proven any thing other than he can throw just as many TD as int.
Sure...but they still control that situation.
Ok? If you feel that is somehow a win. Because if he walks and makes more who won. Not cash strapped Dallas.
If they don't and let him go to free agency...then they control that as well.
The word is Lose, not loose. And yes...they lose him. That is the whole point, they lose a guy that they would have to pay 37 million dollars to who they DON"T want to pay that kind of money to. (or...have no business paying that kind of money to) . Sayonara sucker. Now...if he would agree to sign for maybe 25 million....they could keep him. Even if any of you think Dak is in the Top 10-15 QBs in the league...he sure as hell is not in the top 3 QBs in the league....and that is what he would be paid like if they tagged him and paid him the 37 million.
What ever the word is Jerry backed himself into the corner by either tagging him which they can't or paying him what his market value is which they may not be able to. But it's hard to let a franchise QB walk out the door. Which may happen if there are better offers out there.
Lol if cam was so great why isn't he in Carolina still and on his way out of NE? Turbisky was benched how many times last year? If he was so great why'd they bench him? Darnold is just another USC over hyped QB. That hasn't proven any thing other than he can throw just as many TD as int.
Note, I put neither Newton nor Trubisky ahead of Dak. (I only mentioned that Cam historically had been better). And see above re Darnold.
Sure...but they still control that situation.
Ok? If you feel that is somehow a win. Because if he walks and makes more who won. Not cash strapped Dallas.
Actually, yes, Dallas may still win....because they let some other team to overpay Dak and they don't have to. Plus, they can take all the money they save on not paying Dak and put it into other parts or their team that desperately need help.....and they can go with Dalton/and eventual first round pick.
What ever the word is Jerry backed himself into the corner by either tagging him which they can't or paying him what his market value is which they may not be able to. But it's hard to let a franchise QB walk out the door. Which may happen if there are better offers out there.
They can tag and pay him if they want...they just have to pay him all that money that perhaps could be better spent elsewhere. And IMO 37 million is IMO way above his market value. (again....if he hits free agency...what other team is going to pay him that? Others may want him...but not at that price). As far as "franchise QB"....is the 14th or 15th best QB in the NFL a "franchise" QB? Only if you define "franchise QB" as an "unchallenged starter for his team".
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I'd take him over Ben and close on Mayfield. I watched Allen put up some good throws and make some dumb plays as well.
I must have missed Ben - me too.
I must have missed Ben - me too.
I had said, yes, he is probably better than what 39 year old BR would be.
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MHO is there's going to be some roll backs
Seriously, I bet you money there won't be.
An additional knock-on effect of this storm is on home insurance and family lives due to thousands of houses destroyed from the frozen pipes.
This is the entire point of not being on the federal grids -- the operator profits off charging people usurious rates [they paid normal rates for the production] and will not get prosecuted for it due to owning the politicians. I bet the politicians cost less than winterizing the grid... why bother with actual operating expenses?
Welcome to late-stage capitalism.
This is also how/why you hear the phrase.. socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the rest of us : Through the ownership of the politicians, companies and entire industries [Wall Street, airlines just to name a couple] can get bailed out for trillions daily.. and nothing for anyone else. Also one of several reasons why companies deliberately don't do preventative maintenance even on foreseeable dangers because "the disaster" is what's used to "justify" the trillions. Hence the name... disaster capitalism.
And we haven't even discussed the fun of markets consisting of only one company - aka a monopoly - and the reasons why monopolies are bad for workers and customers. Yes, the company will "do the right thing" - but their definition of "right" is very different than yours. The Uber pitch deck to middle east governments explicitly states that once they achieve market moving power in an area, prices ramp massively.
Companies have always and will always intend to screw both customers and workers alike for $. If you really think anything else.. corporate PR is sold to you.
The notion that corporations are in any way "good actors" without the force of law directly applied is.. foolish at best, deliberately disingenuous at worst. Or cognitive dissonance perhaps.. if it's too painful to contemplate a society in which companies are actually that evil.
Seriously, I bet you money there won't be.
An additional knock-on effect of this storm is on home insurance and family lives due to thousands of houses destroyed from the frozen pipes.
This is the entire point of not being on the federal grids -- the operator profits off charging people usurious rates [they paid normal rates for the production] and will not get prosecuted for it due to owning the politicians. I bet the politicians cost less than winterizing the grid... why bother with actual operating expenses?
Welcome to late-stage capitalism.
This is also how/why you hear the phrase.. socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the rest of us : Through the ownership of the politicians, companies and entire industries [Wall Street, airlines just to name a couple] can get bailed out for trillions daily.. and nothing for anyone else. Also one of several reasons why companies deliberately don't do preventative maintenance even on foreseeable dangers because "the disaster" is what's used to "justify" the trillions. Hence the name... disaster capitalism.
And we haven't even discussed the fun of markets consisting of only one company - aka a monopoly - and the reasons why monopolies are bad for workers and customers. Yes, the company will "do the right thing" - but their definition of "right" is very different than yours. The Uber pitch deck to middle east governments explicitly states that once they achieve market moving power in an area, prices ramp massively.
Companies have always and will always intend to screw both customers and workers alike for $. If you really think anything else.. corporate PR is sold to you.
The notion that corporations are in any way "good actors" without the force of law directly applied is.. foolish at best, deliberately disingenuous at worst. Or cognitive dissonance perhaps.. if it's too painful to contemplate a society in which companies are actually that evil.
Interesting points- let's see how this plays out. However, if enough customers howl to their politicians they just got butt raped on their electric bill? MHO is I'll bet something will be done. Some of those folks will qualify for FEMA disaster relief repairing their houses- with the concurrent government red tape. Texas home insurance rates will skyrocket- Insurance Companies aren't in the business of losing money. Yeah, ERCOT is paying the price for running a monopoly, being too cheap to winterize the wind turbines- "it will never happen here". Except it did.
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