Quarterback Merry Go Round
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He basically did just as well as Prescott. Dalton was 2-3 as a starter. Dak was 4-5. No appreciable difference as far as winning, and like I said...a bridge is a bridge. You cross it to get somewhere else...and that somewhere else is to you Top 10 drafted rookie. And combined you would pay maybe 7 million at your QB position...not 37 million plus.
your records are off and I’d argue the Cowboys wouldn’t be 6-10 with Dak playing 16 games.
Dak had (3)450 plus yard games out of the 5 he played and The 5th game he didn’t play the whole game.
Dalton had (1) 300 plus yard game out of 10 starts and threw at least one INT in 8 out of 10 starts. A Bridge to 6-10 with a second tier 2021 draft QB (good talents but projects) waiting in the wings that will inevitably be asked to play right away and throw a team on their back.
your records are off and I’d argue the Cowboys wouldn’t be 6-10 with Dak playing 16 games.
They were 4-5 with him....so that extrapolates to maybe they could have gotten to 7-9. But hey...sure, Dak is not that team's problem personnel wise. Like I said, he is a good QB. 10-15 range. They have a shit defense and their OL either got old or injured.
Dak had (3)450 plus yard games out of the 5 he played and The 5th game he didn’t play the whole game. .and that just proves that they threw the ball on every down.
Dalton had (1) 300 plus yard game out of 10 starts and threw at least one INT in 8 out of 10 starts. A Bridge to 6-10 with a second tier 2021 draft QB (good talents but projects) waiting in the wings that will inevitably be asked to play right away and throw a team on their back.
Well...think about it...if you defend Dak because the rest of the team was shite...then the same applies to Dalton. And, I am not saying that Dalton is as good as Dak...now. I am only saying that I don't think their talents are tremendously different. And the fact is that historically Dalton has a better record....both in terms of winning and in terms of statistics as Dak. And what do you mean? Do you think a guy drafted 10th constitutes a "second tier" QB? Both Mahomes and Watson were drafted in the 10-12 range. And Dak was a 4th round pick. So what does that make him? A 9th tier QB?
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Jones needs to go away. He won 3 titles because of Jimmy Johnson. They haven’t even made the conference title game since.
Let the football people do the football stuff. And make your BILLIONS being a business manBy ripping off and gouging the cold, sick, dying, people of Texas. Which is exactly what he just did.
By ripping off and gouging the cold, sick, dying, people of Texas. Which is exactly what he just did.
Isn't that against the law, during a natural disaster?
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your records are off and I’d argue the Cowboys wouldn’t be 6-10 with Dak playing 16 games.
They were 4-5 with him....so that extrapolates to maybe they could have gotten to 7-9. But hey...sure, Dak is not that team's problem personnel wise. Like I said, he is a good QB. 10-15 range. They have a shit defense and their OL either got old or injured.
Dak had (3)450 plus yard games out of the 5 he played and The 5th game he didn’t play the whole game. .and that just proves that they threw the ball on every down.
Dalton had (1) 300 plus yard game out of 10 starts and threw at least one INT in 8 out of 10 starts. A Bridge to 6-10 with a second tier 2021 draft QB (good talents but projects) waiting in the wings that will inevitably be asked to play right away and throw a team on their back.
Well...think about it...if you defend Dak because the rest of the team was shite...then the same applies to Dalton. And, I am not saying that Dalton is as good as Dak...now. I am only saying that I don't think their talents are tremendously different. And the fact is that historically Dalton has a better record....both in terms of winning and in terms of statistics as Dak. And what do you mean? Do you think a guy drafted 10th constitutes a "second tier" QB? Both Mahomes and Watson were drafted in the 10-12 range. And Dak was a 4th round pick. So what does that make him? A 9th tier QB?
Dak is moving up your list I see 15-20 now 10-15...your opinion looks a little better now.
Regarding tiers...I like Justin Fields. But Fields and Trey Lance they will need some time. They are projects. That’s probably what’s left at their spot. But Maybe we give credit to the Cowboys scouting department Dak was selected late and was ROY.
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By ripping off and gouging the cold, sick, dying, people of Texas. Which is exactly what he just did.
Isn't that against the law, during a natural disaster?
Isn't that against the law, during a natural disaster?
Uhh....Not in Texas apparently. A single oil companies paid like a million dollars in campaign contributions to each of like Abbott, the Gov. Cruz, Rick Perry, former Gov. and others. (that was not Jerry Jones company...he may also have paid them huge bribes). Basically to pass laws to have -0- regulations on the energy industry in that state. By law they are allowed to A. make those bribes B. Invest NO money into any weatherization or safety equipment and C. charge whatever they want to the point of outrageous gouging with their prices in times of crisis. They were apparently giving some people a $17,000.00 monthly bill for their natural gas.
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Dak is moving up your list I see 15-20 now 10-15...your opinion looks a little better now.
Regarding tiers...I like Justin Fields. But Fields and Trey Lance they will need some time. They are projects. That’s probably what’s left at their spot. But Maybe we give credit to the Cowboys scouting department Dak was selected late and was ROY.
Dak is moving up your list I see 15-20 now 10-15...your opinion looks a little better now.
Because Brees, Rivers retired. I would have to scrutinize the QB situation for all 32 teams.....in fact, I think I did that with "QB tiers thread" that I did. Will have to recheck what I did their.
Regarding tiers...I like Justin Fields. But Fields and Trey Lance they will need some time. They are projects. That’s probably what’s left at their spot. But Maybe we give credit to the Cowboys scouting department Dak was selected late and was ROY.
Oh, yes, he was a great 4th round pick. If I recall think that I thought he was projected to go in round 2.
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OK, here are the current starting QBs that I think I would rate ahead of Dak:
Darnold
Ben R. at least the BR from the first part of last year.....put question mark beside him
Allen
Ryan
Brady
Jackson
Tannehill
Burrow
Mayfield
Goff
Rodgers
Cousins....maybe
Mahomes
Watson
Carr....maybe
Herbert
Stafford
Garropolo...maybe
Wilson
That is 15 for certain that I believe are better. 3-4 others that he is in the same boat as he perhaps.
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Cowboys salary is.. over the 2021 cap right now. They do have some good young players to "build around" but.. they need several more to become a .500 team let alone a contender.
By way of comparison: Taki, Goodson, Mitch, Higgins, Porter Gustin, and someone named Teller have all been good low-cost performers on Cleveland this past season..
The case against spending extra on Dak is that they don't have any position group strength to spend 13% of their cap on one player. The only way that's justifiable is if that one player is actually good enough to put the team on his back and make up for the stinking. Finding players on the positive value side of the equation [so you're "under"paying for the results you're getting] is every team's goal for every roster spot.. and not everyone succeeds. TB had several good position groups but no TB12 for years.
The issue is that the verysmall gap between Dak and Dalton's performance is nowhere near enough to make up for the reality that the roster has ... no discernable talent outside of OL, Elliot, and WR. All levels of the defense are overpaid and not performing; no backups on either side other than Dalton are capable of "stepping up." And the 9M in dead money this season isn't helping.
I wouldn't take Demarcus Lawrence unless it was some sort of vet reclamation contract.. he's worth less than 1/3 of his 17M salary. Their LB's had paycheck motivation - even their so-called best players actually rated barely above mack wilson. DB's? Yikes.. This roster is not good enough to justify paying for more than a vet caretaker QB.. they really need to embrace a contract dump & draft pick rebuild.
Reality: Cowboys mortgaged the future to attempt to stay relevant the last few seasons - and that future is now. I'd take the pain in 2021 -- there is no quick fix. If this was to actually happen, side benefit for JJ: He could finally sell something different from the last 20 years.. competent leadership investing in the long-term outlook.
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Jerry Jones will be 79 in October. He is about the second worse pathological narcissist I have ever been aware of. (guess who is 1st). He has NO interest in "long term outlook" now that he is facing his mortality (aren't we all?). He wants to win now, and he may think having Dak will do that for him.
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OK, here are the current starting QBs that I think I would rate ahead of Dak:
Darnold
Ben R. at least the BR from the first part of last year.....put question mark beside him
Allen
Ryan
Brady
Jackson
Tannehill
Burrow
Mayfield
Goff
Rodgers
Cousins....maybe
Mahomes
Watson
Carr....maybe
Herbert
Stafford
Garropolo...maybe
Wilson
That is 15 for certain that I believe are better. 3-4 others that he is in the same boat as he perhaps.
OK, here are the current starting QBs that I think I would rate ahead of Dak:
Darnold
Ben R. at least the BR from the first part of last year.....put question mark beside him
Allen
Ryan
Brady
Jackson
Tannehill
Burrow
Mayfield
Goff
Rodgers
Cousins....maybe
Mahomes
Watson
Carr....maybe
Herbert
Stafford
Garropolo...maybe
Wilson
That is 15 for certain that I believe are better. 3-4 others that he is in the same boat as he perhaps.
No on
Ryan, Tannehill, Burrow, Goff, Cousins, Carr, Herbert, Stafford or Jimmy G.
Yes on the remaining.
Puts him just inside of the Top 10.
This Dak vs. Dalton comparison is cracking me up...ask any Cowboy fan and I know you have to search high and low for ones that aren’t delusional but find a sane one and ask them about the very small gap in performance with Andy D vs. Dak
Some of you are too fixated on the old Andy and some of you didn’t watch a lot of Big D football last season
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OK, here are the current starting QBs that I think I would rate ahead of Dak:
Darnold
Ben R. at least the BR from the first part of last year.....put question mark beside him
Allen
Ryan
Brady
Jackson
Tannehill
Burrow
Mayfield
Goff
Rodgers
Cousins....maybe
Mahomes
Watson
Carr....maybe
Herbert
Stafford
Garropolo...maybe
Wilson
That is 15 for certain that I believe are better. 3-4 others that he is in the same boat as he perhaps.
No on
Ryan, Tannehill, Burrow, Goff, Cousins, Carr, Herbert, Stafford or Jimmy G.
Yes on the remaining.
Puts him just inside of the Top 10.
This Dak vs. Dalton comparison is cracking me up...ask any Cowboy fan and I know you have to search high and low for ones that aren’t delusional but find a sane one and ask them about the very small gap in performance with Andy D vs. Dak
Some of you are too fixated on the old Andy and some of you didn’t watch a lot of Big D football last season
No on
Ryan, Tannehill, Burrow, Goff, Cousins, Carr, Herbert, Stafford or Jimmy G.
Yes on the remaining.
Puts him just inside of the Top 10.
I said he is perhaps on par with Carr, Cousins, Garrop. Not the others. He might at best squeeze into the Top 15.
Anyone and everyone would bet on the futures of Burrow and Herbert over Dak. You might argue on Goff. The only possible argument on Ryan would be age. Even there...at best he gets to 14....or 15, maybe.
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No on
Ryan, Tannehill, Burrow, Goff, Cousins, Carr, Herbert, Stafford or Jimmy G.
Yes on the remaining.
Puts him just inside of the Top 10.
I said he is perhaps on par with Carr, Cousins, Garrop. Not the others. He might at best squeeze into the Top 15.
Anyone and everyone would bet on the futures of Burrow and Herbert over Dak. You might argue on Goff. The only possible argument on Ryan would be age. Even there...at best he gets to 14....or 15, maybe.
I said he is perhaps on par with Carr, Cousins, Garrop. Not the others. He might at best squeeze into the Top 15.
He’s better than those 3.
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I said he is perhaps on par with Carr, Cousins, Garrop. Not the others. He might at best squeeze into the Top 15.
He’s better than those 3.
He’s better than those 3.
Debateable at best. Nevertheless Carr is schedule to make 19.5 mill in 2021. Cousins: 31 mill. Garrop: 26 mill. For an average of 25.5 mill. That is about what Dak SHOULD be paid. That should be his market value.
Fair to say?
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He’s better than those 3.
Debateable at best. Nevertheless Carr is schedule to make 19.5 mill in 2021. Cousins: 31 mill. Garrop: 26 mill. For an average of 25.5 mill. That is about what Dak SHOULD be paid. That should be his market value.
Fair to say?
Debateable at best. Nevertheless Carr is schedule to make 19.5 mill in 2021. Cousins: 31 mill. Garrop: 26 mill. For an average of 25.5 mill. That is about what Dak SHOULD be paid. That should be his market value.
Fair to say?
I missed Darnold too...
you think that Darnold is better than Dak????
Is this a mistake on your part?
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He’s better than those 3.
Debateable at best. Nevertheless Carr is schedule to make 19.5 mill in 2021. Cousins: 31 mill. Garrop: 26 mill. For an average of 25.5 mill. That is about what Dak SHOULD be paid. That should be his market value.
Fair to say?
Debateable at best. Nevertheless Carr is schedule to make 19.5 mill in 2021. Cousins: 31 mill. Garrop: 26 mill. For an average of 25.5 mill. That is about what Dak SHOULD be paid. That should be his market value.
Fair to say?
Well he’s the last to be paid and your market value is what someone is willing to pay. And If Cousins is making 31M and I’m Daks agent I’m saying he should make more.
there are many Free Agency rankings and Dak tops the list so there are many opinions out there that he the prize of this class
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Debateable at best. Nevertheless Carr is schedule to make 19.5 mill in 2021. Cousins: 31 mill. Garrop: 26 mill. For an average of 25.5 mill. That is about what Dak SHOULD be paid. That should be his market value.
Fair to say?
I missed Darnold too...
you think that Darnold is better than Dak????
Is this a mistake on your part?
I missed Darnold too...
you think that Darnold is better than Dak????
Yes.
Is this a mistake on your part?
No
Give Darnold Dak's weapons and he would prove as good or better.
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Debateable at best. Nevertheless Carr is schedule to make 19.5 mill in 2021. Cousins: 31 mill. Garrop: 26 mill. For an average of 25.5 mill. That is about what Dak SHOULD be paid. That should be his market value.
Fair to say?
Well he’s the last to be paid and your market value is what someone is willing to pay. And If Cousins is making 31M and I’m Daks agent I’m saying he should make more.
there are many Free Agency rankings and Dak tops the list so there are many opinions out there that he the prize of this class
Well he’s the last to be paid and your market value is what someone is willing to pay. And If Cousins is making 31M and I’m Daks agent I’m saying he should make more.
That is fine.....Cousins isn't really worth what he is paid, but I understand the argument.
there are many Free Agency rankings and Dak tops the list so there are many opinions out there that he the prize of this class
But then, the other part of the argument is that he should not be paid as well as those other 15 or so QBs who are better than he (though I know guys on rookie deals don't get paid). So, my argument is that he should not be paid more than an overpaid QB who is about his equal in talent. Two wrongs don't make a right.
By the way...though I think Dak is in the middle of NFL QBs and that he should be paid nowhere near the 37 million.....I am perfectly OK with the Cowboys tagging and paying him.....because it fucks them up for a long long time. And other than the Steelers and the Ravens, no team deserved to be fucked up for a long time more than they do.
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You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
He's good- but $37 million good? Tagging him really doesn't make financial sense, but we're talking Jerrah World here.
Of those 4 teams, I could see Washington doing it for sure. The owner there is an idiot. And would do just about anything to keep his crap team in the news
Checking cap room- the Patriots have the room. And Fig Newton is as good as gone. Gipper- Newton positively stunk last year- worse even than Wentz.
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Isn't that against the law, during a natural disaster?
Uhh....Not in Texas apparently. A single oil companies paid like a million dollars in campaign contributions to each of like Abbott, the Gov. Cruz, Rick Perry, former Gov. and others. (that was not Jerry Jones company...he may also have paid them huge bribes). Basically to pass laws to have -0- regulations on the energy industry in that state. By law they are allowed to A. make those bribes B. Invest NO money into any weatherization or safety equipment and C. charge whatever they want to the point of outrageous gouging with their prices in times of crisis. They were apparently giving some people a $17,000.00 monthly bill for their natural gas.
Uhh....Not in Texas apparently. A single oil companies paid like a million dollars in campaign contributions to each of like Abbott, the Gov. Cruz, Rick Perry, former Gov. and others. (that was not Jerry Jones company...he may also have paid them huge bribes). Basically to pass laws to have -0- regulations on the energy industry in that state. By law they are allowed to A. make those bribes B. Invest NO money into any weatherization or safety equipment and C. charge whatever they want to the point of outrageous gouging with their prices in times of crisis. They were apparently giving some people a $17,000.00 monthly bill for their natural gas.
Regarding those insane utility bills. I sort of understand what happened (for some people) it was a supply and demand thing. Buy your energy on the open (Texas) market- and roll the dice. If there was NO supply and incredible demand- people were getting charged 300 times their normal bill. $2 bucks a day turned into $600. MHO is there's going to be some roll backs. One of the companies accused of gouging warned customers to switch a couple days ahead. Um sorry Charlie- those that tried to were told- we can take you on in around two weeks. Result = you were royally screwed.
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Uhh....Not in Texas apparently. A single oil companies paid like a million dollars in campaign contributions to each of like Abbott, the Gov. Cruz, Rick Perry, former Gov. and others. (that was not Jerry Jones company...he may also have paid them huge bribes). Basically to pass laws to have -0- regulations on the energy industry in that state. By law they are allowed to A. make those bribes B. Invest NO money into any weatherization or safety equipment and C. charge whatever they want to the point of outrageous gouging with their prices in times of crisis. They were apparently giving some people a $17,000.00 monthly bill for their natural gas.
Regarding those insane utility bills. I sort of understand what happened (for some people) it was a supply and demand thing. Buy your energy on the open (Texas) market- and roll the dice. If there was NO supply and incredible demand- people were getting charged 300 times their normal bill. $2 bucks a day turned into $600. MHO is there's going to be some roll backs. One of the companies accused of gouging warned customers to switch a couple days ahead. Um sorry Charlie- those that tried to were told- we can take you on in around two weeks. Result = you were royally screwed.
Regarding those insane utility bills. I sort of understand what happened (for some people) it was a supply and demand thing. Buy your energy on the open (Texas) market- and roll the dice. If there was NO supply and incredible demand- people were getting charged 300 times their normal bill. $2 bucks a day turned into $600. MHO is there's going to be some roll backs. One of the companies accused of gouging warned customers to switch a couple days ahead. Um sorry Charlie- those that tried to were told- we can take you on in around two weeks. Result = you were royally screwed.
But companies are people too hoorta, and they'll always do right by their customers... ?
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Sam Darnold, better than Dak Prescott.
Hilarious.
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