Quarterback Merry Go Round
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Naturally the national media slobbers over anything Cowboys related. Not sure why at this point since they have been a mediocre to shitty team for decades now. But of course, tons of talk about what they should do with the "great" Dak Prescott. Well, I have an idea. And note I put quotes around "great" because, quite frankly it is foolish IMO to think of Prescott as great. He IS a good QB, but I think he is vastly overrated just because he plays in Dallas. I do NOT think, by any means that he is one of the best 10 QBs in the league. I think he probably ranks between 15-20. And they are talking about tagging him for like 37 million bucks, which could make him like the 3rd highest paid qb in the league? Pure Bologna. Again, in my opinion, they have a guy backing him up, Andy Dalton, who has career stats that are equal or better than Prescott. And Dalton makes only like 3 million.
So, what should the Cowboys do? : Cut him loose. Let him go to FA. Do NOT place the franchise tag on him for the 37 million. Let him hit the open market. Who is going to offer him anywhere near that? Maybe someone, but more fool them.
And they should let Dalton start.....and with that #10 pick they have in the draft, take a QB of the future. Or, if they can, move up several spaces in a trade to get one of Zack Wilson, or Justin Fields...and have a guy with a better upside leading their team at rookie wage scale for the next 4 years.
Not that I care if the Cowboys suck forever. I hope they do. (and in wanting that I would say: put 37 million into Prescott....and let the rest of the team falter and be shite.......goody , goody). But I am just talking basic value here.
I think people overrate him just because he is black...
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I think they overrate him because he’s on the Cowboys.
OK....I owe you a Coke.
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I don't think you're going to see Dallas franchise tag him That's a 37.7 million dollar hit this year if they do.
You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Under my scenario, YES, I want him to hit free agency.
Honestly: Do any of you think that if he "hits" free agency and is on the open market that he is really going to get offers approaching 37 million dollars? Given the potential glut of QBs available....given the contracted salary cap, who is going to come close to offering him that? What team out there would be able.....(cap wise) and willing to give him that kind of money? I can think of only 4 teams that could have some interest: Washington, New England, Denver, Carolina....... and a couple of those would have to do some major cap maneuvering....and still I could see them only offering something maybe 10 million less than what he wants.
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You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
Again, he is only in the driver seat if the Cowboys let him be. Let the other teams bid. ...see my above post. Cowboys, IMO would be better off letting other teams outbid them.
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You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Under my scenario, YES, I want him to hit free agency.
Honestly: Do any of you think that if he "hits" free agency and is on the open market that he is really going to get offers approaching 37 million dollars? Given the potential glut of QBs available....given the contracted salary cap, who is going to come close to offering him that? What team out there would be able.....(cap wise) and willing to give him that kind of money? I can think of only 4 teams that could have some interest: Washington, New England, Denver, Carolina....... and a couple of those would have to do some major cap maneuvering....and still I could see them only offering something maybe 10 million less than what he wants.
Under my scenario, YES, I want him to hit free agency.
Honestly: Do any of you think that if he "hits" free agency and is on the open market that he is really going to get offers approaching 37 million dollars? Given the potential glut of QBs available....given the contracted salary cap, who is going to come close to offering him that? What team out there would be able.....(cap wise) and willing to give him that kind of money? I can think of only 4 teams that could have some interest: Washington, New England, Denver, Carolina....... and a couple of those would have to do some major cap maneuvering....and still I could see them only offering something maybe 10 million less than what he wants.
Of those 4 teams, I could see Washington doing it for sure. The owner there is an idiot. And would do just about anything to keep his crap team in the news
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Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.
Again, he is only in the driver seat if the Cowboys let him be. Let the other teams bid. ...see my above post. Cowboys, IMO would be better off letting other teams outbid them.
Again, he is only in the driver seat if the Cowboys let him be. Let the other teams bid. ...see my above post. Cowboys, IMO would be better off letting other teams outbid them.
The cowboys would be better off letting teams outbid them, but Jerrah isn’t going to let that happen
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Let the cowboys and Indians jack up the price for a qb that hasn’t won a damn thing
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I think the first step is to determine what the "this" is that the Cowboys have.
They have an aging OL, an average RB paid like an AllPro and a defense that gave up the most points in a season in Cowboys history.
The 2020 Cowboys were the definition of a team based on "playmakers" - WR was the only team strength - and they went 6-10.
This isn't a very well-constructed team at present. They're not just one player away.. they need both draft picks [young good players] and a new coach.. they have arguably the worst in the division.
I wouldn't resign Dak, they have more problems than one QB contract.
To those who worry about being relevant without "a QB".. they weren't relevant with him either. They're not a playoff team next season no matter what they do.
I think the first step is to determine what the "this" is that the Cowboys have.
They have an aging OL, an average RB paid like an AllPro and a defense that gave up the most points in a season in Cowboys history.
The 2020 Cowboys were the definition of a team based on "playmakers" - WR was the only team strength - and they went 6-10.
This isn't a very well-constructed team at present. They're not just one player away.. they need both draft picks [young good players] and a new coach.. they have arguably the worst in the division.
I wouldn't resign Dak, they have more problems than one QB contract.
To those who worry about being relevant without "a QB".. they weren't relevant with him either. They're not a playoff team next season no matter what they do.
There you go. Well said. If Dak were the key to this team contending for a title....sure, the analysis, the need for him being the major issue for that team, then maybe you think about giving him the farm. But that is a shit team that needs a vast infusion of talent in a lot of places. Giving Dak 37 million of your salary cap assures they stay a shit team. And that may be fine: if you can't stand the Cowboys and their owner. Let them both rot as far as I am concerned. I am only putting forth the argument for what any NFL, regardless of who they are, should look at.
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Again, he is only in the driver seat if the Cowboys let him be. Let the other teams bid. ...see my above post. Cowboys, IMO would be better off letting other teams outbid them.
The cowboys would be better off letting teams outbid them, but Jerrah isn’t going to let that happen
The cowboys would be better off letting teams outbid them, but Jerrah isn’t going to let that happen
Probably not. Someone mentioned the WTF idiot owner....Jones IMO is on the next rung of the ladder up from that guy. So they probably will give him the tag.
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The cowboys would be better off letting teams outbid them, but Jerrah isn’t going to let that happen
Probably not. Someone mentioned the WTF idiot owner....Jones IMO is on the next rung of the ladder up from that guy. So they probably will give him the tag.
Probably not. Someone mentioned the WTF idiot owner....Jones IMO is on the next rung of the ladder up from that guy. So they probably will give him the tag.
Jones needs to go away. He won 3 titles because of Jimmy Johnson. They haven’t even made the conference title game since.
Let the football people do the football stuff. And make your BILLIONS being a business man -
Probably not. Someone mentioned the WTF idiot owner....Jones IMO is on the next rung of the ladder up from that guy. So they probably will give him the tag.
Jones needs to go away. He won 3 titles because of Jimmy Johnson. They haven’t even made the conference title game since.
Let the football people do the football stuff. And make your BILLIONS being a business manJones needs to go away. He won 3 titles because of Jimmy Johnson. They haven’t even made the conference title game since.
Let the football people do the football stuff. And make your BILLIONS being a business manBy ripping off and gouging the cold, sick, dying, people of Texas. Which is exactly what he just did.
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And I am 99% correct, mule.
Is that all the time, or when you are correct??
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You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Under my scenario, YES, I want him to hit free agency.
Honestly: Do any of you think that if he "hits" free agency and is on the open market that he is really going to get offers approaching 37 million dollars? Given the potential glut of QBs available....given the contracted salary cap, who is going to come close to offering him that? What team out there would be able.....(cap wise) and willing to give him that kind of money? I can think of only 4 teams that could have some interest: Washington, New England, Denver, Carolina....... and a couple of those would have to do some major cap maneuvering....and still I could see them only offering something maybe 10 million less than what he wants.
Under my scenario, YES, I want him to hit free agency.
Honestly: Do any of you think that if he "hits" free agency and is on the open market that he is really going to get offers approaching 37 million dollars?
Who knows stranger things have happened. Some team could step up and give a more team-friendly first year or two incentive-based and back load the rest of the contract.
Given the potential glut of QBs available....given the contracted salary cap, who is going to come close to offering him that?
I don't know who you are referring to when you say potential glut of quarterbacks.If you're looking at the current list of free agents right now DAk is number one by far on that list.
What team out there would be able.....(cap wise) and willing to give him that kind of money? I can think of only 4 teams that could have some interest: Washington, New England, Denver, Carolina....... and a couple of those would have to do some major cap maneuvering....and still I could see them only offering something maybe 10 million less than what he wants.
Yes in hindsight he should have probably signed for the 33-mil per year. But I don't think anybody knew that there was going to be a "pandemic" or that he was going to get hurt. And given the current situation of the salary cap being lower doesn't help his market. But nonetheless he controls his destiny.
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And I am 99% correct, mule.
Is that all the time, or when you are correct??
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Under my scenario, YES, I want him to hit free agency.
Honestly: Do any of you think that if he "hits" free agency and is on the open market that he is really going to get offers approaching 37 million dollars?
Who knows stranger things have happened. Some team could step up and give a more team-friendly first year or two incentive-based and back load the rest of the contract.
Sure, who knows. Remains to be seen.
Given the potential glut of QBs available....given the contracted salary cap, who is going to come close to offering him that?
I don't know who you are referring to when you say potential glut of quarterbacks.If you're looking at the current list of free agents right now DAk is number one by far on that list.
I was including the guys that have been on the trade block. We have seen Goff, Stafford, Wentz traded so far. Watson wants out. Cam Newton is out there. Trubisky. There is discussion about several others as well as potential trades/cuts: Darnold, Bridgewater. Tua. Maybe a few others. Plus, you have 4-5 possible first round picks who have to be included in the mix. So, yea...12-15 potential QBs to fill spots. That's a comparative "glut".
What team out there would be able.....(cap wise) and willing to give him that kind of money? I can think of only 4 teams that could have some interest: Washington, New England, Denver, Carolina....... and a couple of those would have to do some major cap maneuvering....and still I could see them only offering something maybe 10 million less than what he wants.
Yes in hindsight he should have probably signed for the 33-mil per year. But I don't think anybody knew that there was going to be a "pandemic" or that he was going to get hurt. And given the current situation of the salary cap being lower doesn't help his market. But nonetheless he controls his destiny.
Not exactly. If Dallas exercises the tag....they control his destiny. If they don't and let him go to free agency...then they control that as well. He would control his own destiny then...ONLY to the point that someone else may also have an interest in him. He can't just go where he wants, because most of the league would have no interest in him as a FA. He can't go to Seattle if he wants. Or the Rams or Chargers or Cardinals, nor the Packers, Colts, Browns, Bengals, Titans....or many other teams. He will have the choice perhaps of just a very few really: those who want him and can afford him. That eliminates probably 3/4ths of the league....which would mean that maybe he would have at most 8 teams interested. Including maybe Dallas on a reduced deal.
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I think some of you are underestimating Dak’s value to the Cowboys. While we had a close view of that horrendous Defense and while it is noted and correct that they are far from a team that is one player away. The one player that is being casually dismissed is the biggest part of the team in my opinion. While I can respect going out and maybe drafting a rookie and the team (maybe) being better off down the road- is that a play out of Jerry’s impatient I want to win now book? Is there a Bledsoe or Romo in the house to ease that transition?
I saw a team that moved the ball well with Dak and hung around some shootouts with playoffs teams. Yes, the Browns!!! They quickly moved to team getting blown out, facing 8 man fronts and not being able to score or move the ball as Effectively.
You could argue whether Dak is worth a long term deal for big money, but you need to consider the alternatives whether it is Jerry sitting through a rookie with no viable bridge QB like a Romo or spending draft capital and money to pluck a guy away like Stafford or Wentz which could at best be a lateral move and the Boys lose draft capital too unless you believe Dak is the 17th best QB.
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Under my scenario, YES, I want him to hit free agency.
Honestly: Do any of you think that if he "hits" free agency and is on the open market that he is really going to get offers approaching 37 million dollars?
Who knows stranger things have happened. Some team could step up and give a more team-friendly first year or two incentive-based and back load the rest of the contract.
Sure, who knows. Remains to be seen.
Given the potential glut of QBs available....given the contracted salary cap, who is going to come close to offering him that?
I don't know who you are referring to when you say potential glut of quarterbacks.If you're looking at the current list of free agents right now DAk is number one by far on that list.
I was including the guys that have been on the trade block. We have seen Goff, Stafford, Wentz traded so far. Watson wants out. Cam Newton is out there. Trubisky. There is discussion about several others as well as potential trades/cuts: Darnold, Bridgewater. Tua. Maybe a few others. Plus, you have 4-5 possible first round picks who have to be included in the mix. So, yea...12-15 potential QBs to fill spots. That's a comparative "glut".
What team out there would be able.....(cap wise) and willing to give him that kind of money? I can think of only 4 teams that could have some interest: Washington, New England, Denver, Carolina....... and a couple of those would have to do some major cap maneuvering....and still I could see them only offering something maybe 10 million less than what he wants.
Yes in hindsight he should have probably signed for the 33-mil per year. But I don't think anybody knew that there was going to be a "pandemic" or that he was going to get hurt. And given the current situation of the salary cap being lower doesn't help his market. But nonetheless he controls his destiny.
Not exactly. If Dallas exercises the tag....they control his destiny. If they don't and let him go to free agency...then they control that as well. He would control his own destiny then...ONLY to the point that someone else may also have an interest in him. He can't just go where he wants, because most of the league would have no interest in him as a FA. He can't go to Seattle if he wants. Or the Rams or Chargers or Cardinals, nor the Packers, Colts, Browns, Bengals, Titans....or many other teams. He will have the choice perhaps of just a very few really: those who want him and can afford him. That eliminates probably 3/4ths of the league....which would mean that maybe he would have at most 8 teams interested. Including maybe Dallas on a reduced deal.
I was including the guys that have been on the trade block. We have seen Goff, Stafford, Wentz traded so far. Watson wants out. Cam Newton is out there. Trubisky. There is discussion about several others as well as potential trades/cuts: Darnold, Bridgewater. Tua. Maybe a few others. Plus, you have 4-5 possible first round picks who have to be included in the mix. So, yea...12-15 potential QBs to fill spots. That's a comparative "glut".
None of them are even close to the same level including the potential 1st Rd pick this year. If you were a team like the Jag's or jets. I'd take a hard look at Dak and draft top level playmakers to surround him. I'm really not sold on the incoming QB class.
Not exactly. If Dallas exercises the tag....they control his destiny. Yes but He gets paid 37 mil. Guaranteed for the year.
If they don't and let him go to free agency...then they control that as well.
I don't see how the cowboys have any control if he takes a better offer.?
He would control his own destiny then...ONLY to the point that someone else may also have an interest in him. He can't just go where he wants, because most of the league would have no interest in him as a FA. He can't go to Seattle if he wants. Or the Rams or Chargers or Cardinals, nor the Packers, Colts, Browns, Bengals, Titans....or many other teams. He will have the choice perhaps of just a very few really: those who want him and can afford him. That eliminates probably 3/4ths of the league....which would mean that maybe he would have at most 8 teams interested. Including maybe Dallas on a reduced deal.
And we as Browns fans know the value in a Franchise QB and so does every other franchise. It's not like they are everywhere. And If there is interest from 8 other teams the cowboys could loose him if they don't play ball.
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I think some of you are underestimating Dak’s value to the Cowboys. While we had a close view of that horrendous Defense and while it is noted and correct that they are far from a team that is one player away. The one player that is being casually dismissed is the biggest part of the team in my opinion. While I can respect going out and maybe drafting a rookie and the team (maybe) being better off down the road- is that a play out of Jerry’s impatient I want to win now book? Is there a Bledsoe or Romo in the house to ease that transition?
I saw a team that moved the ball well with Dak and hung around some shootouts with playoffs teams. Yes, the Browns!!! They quickly moved to team getting blown out, facing 8 man fronts and not being able to score or move the ball as Effectively.
You could argue whether Dak is worth a long term deal for big money, but you need to consider the alternatives whether it is Jerry sitting through a rookie with no viable bridge QB like a Romo or spending draft capital and money to pluck a guy away like Stafford or Wentz which could at best be a lateral move and the Boys lose draft capital too unless you believe Dak is the 17th best QB.
I think some of you are underestimating Dak’s value to the Cowboys. While we had a close view of that horrendous Defense and while it is noted and correct that they are far from a team that is one player away. The one player that is being casually dismissed is the biggest part of the team in my opinion. While I can respect going out and maybe drafting a rookie and the team (maybe) being better off down the road- is that a play out of Jerry’s impatient I want to win now book? Is there a Bledsoe or Romo in the house to ease that transition?
Dalton? And, OK, the fact that you point out that Jones is delusional about how good his team is makes sense. And that is why he will probably tag, and maybe sign Dak. His delusions of grandeur will make him do stupid things that will keep the Cowboys a shit team. And Hooray for that.!
I saw a team that moved the ball well with Dak and hung around some shootouts with playoffs teams. Yes, the Browns!!! They quickly moved to team getting blown out, facing 8 man fronts and not being able to score or move the ball as Effectively.
Well....the Browns defense is barely one step above the Cowboys. At least we know we have a lot of work to do there.
You could argue whether Dak is worth a long term deal for big money, but you need to consider the alternatives whether it is Jerry sitting through a rookie with no viable bridge QB like a Romo or spending draft capital and money to pluck a guy away like Stafford or Wentz which could at best be a lateral move and the Boys lose draft capital too unless you believe Dak is the 17th best QB.
Again and again and again...if they did go the rookie route, Dalton is a perfectly viable "bridge QB". Christ, he took the Bengals to the playoffs like 5 times. And in my proposed scenario, the only draft capital they use on a QB is that first round pick, nothing else. And that would leave them to use the other like 30 million they would not spend on Dak on some OL and Defense. Their receivers and RB situation are fine. They need to block and tackle better.
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I was including the guys that have been on the trade block. We have seen Goff, Stafford, Wentz traded so far. Watson wants out. Cam Newton is out there. Trubisky. There is discussion about several others as well as potential trades/cuts: Darnold, Bridgewater. Tua. Maybe a few others. Plus, you have 4-5 possible first round picks who have to be included in the mix. So, yea...12-15 potential QBs to fill spots. That's a comparative "glut".
None of them are even close to the same level including the potential 1st Rd pick this year. If you were a team like the Jag's or jets. I'd take a hard look at Dak and draft top level playmakers to surround him. I'm really not sold on the incoming QB class.
Not exactly. If Dallas exercises the tag....they control his destiny. Yes but He gets paid 37 mil. Guaranteed for the year.
If they don't and let him go to free agency...then they control that as well.
I don't see how the cowboys have any control if he takes a better offer.?
He would control his own destiny then...ONLY to the point that someone else may also have an interest in him. He can't just go where he wants, because most of the league would have no interest in him as a FA. He can't go to Seattle if he wants. Or the Rams or Chargers or Cardinals, nor the Packers, Colts, Browns, Bengals, Titans....or many other teams. He will have the choice perhaps of just a very few really: those who want him and can afford him. That eliminates probably 3/4ths of the league....which would mean that maybe he would have at most 8 teams interested. Including maybe Dallas on a reduced deal.
And we as Browns fans know the value in a Franchise QB and so does every other franchise. It's not like they are everywhere. And If there is interest from 8 other teams the cowboys could loose him if they don't play ball.
I was including the guys that have been on the trade block. We have seen Goff, Stafford, Wentz traded so far. Watson wants out. Cam Newton is out there. Trubisky. There is discussion about several others as well as potential trades/cuts: Darnold, Bridgewater. Tua. Maybe a few others. Plus, you have 4-5 possible first round picks who have to be included in the mix. So, yea...12-15 potential QBs to fill spots. That's a comparative "glut".
None of them are even close to the same level including the potential 1st Rd pick this year. If you were a team like the Jag's or jets. I'd take a hard look at Dak and draft top level playmakers to surround him. I'm really not sold on the incoming QB class.
Ignoring the guys that were traded: Cam has been a better QB in the past certainly. Could he be again? And IMO, both Darnold and Trubisky are equal or better talents. Yes, that's right. They just have not had a chance to show it in that they have had nowhere near the same kind of talented weapons that Dak has had.
Not exactly. If Dallas exercises the tag....they control his destiny. Yes but He gets paid 37 mil. Guaranteed for the year. Sure...but they still control that situation.
If they don't and let him go to free agency...then they control that as well.
I don't see how the cowboys have any control if he takes a better offer.? They control the fact that they can let him go...and by doing so, they control themselves and the fact that Dak will likely get nowhere near the money he expects elsewhere.
He would control his own destiny then...ONLY to the point that someone else may also have an interest in him. He can't just go where he wants, because most of the league would have no interest in him as a FA. He can't go to Seattle if he wants. Or the Rams or Chargers or Cardinals, nor the Packers, Colts, Browns, Bengals, Titans....or many other teams. He will have the choice perhaps of just a very few really: those who want him and can afford him. That eliminates probably 3/4ths of the league....which would mean that maybe he would have at most 8 teams interested. Including maybe Dallas on a reduced deal.
And we as Browns fans know the value in a Franchise QB and so does every other franchise. It's not like they are everywhere. And If there is interest from 8 other teams the cowboys could loose him if they don't play ball.
The word is Lose, not loose. And yes...they lose him. That is the whole point, they lose a guy that they would have to pay 37 million dollars to who they DON"T want to pay that kind of money to. (or...have no business paying that kind of money to) . Sayonara sucker. Now...if he would agree to sign for maybe 25 million....they could keep him. Even if any of you think Dak is in the Top 10-15 QBs in the league...he sure as hell is not in the top 3 QBs in the league....and that is what he would be paid like if they tagged him and paid him the 37 million.
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You have to unless you want him to hit free agency. Running out of time at this point.
Under my scenario, YES, I want him to hit free agency.
Honestly: Do any of you think that if he "hits" free agency and is on the open market that he is really going to get offers approaching 37 million dollars? Given the potential glut of QBs available....given the contracted salary cap, who is going to come close to offering him that? What team out there would be able.....(cap wise) and willing to give him that kind of money? I can think of only 4 teams that could have some interest: Washington, New England, Denver, Carolina....... and a couple of those would have to do some major cap maneuvering....and still I could see them only offering something maybe 10 million less than what he wants.
Under my scenario, YES, I want him to hit free agency.
Honestly: Do any of you think that if he "hits" free agency and is on the open market that he is really going to get offers approaching 37 million dollars? Given the potential glut of QBs available....given the contracted salary cap, who is going to come close to offering him that? What team out there would be able.....(cap wise) and willing to give him that kind of money? I can think of only 4 teams that could have some interest: Washington, New England, Denver, Carolina....... and a couple of those would have to do some major cap maneuvering....and still I could see them only offering something maybe 10 million less than what he wants.
Absolutely. I could see him getting 35+ mill a year in today’s nfl. Getting that much and not even being a top 5 QB. I could see it.
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