Major projected draft prospects for Browns first three rounds
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Maybe, maybe not. I am sure we signed Takk to be a big part of that hole. How that pans out, only time will tell. I do agree that we may not be set at that position. I think we may still make a play for Clowney. I know some don't like him for one reason or another, but he is still a very good football player and we have shown prior interest. We may also have a draft target in mind. I know I have given reasons why a trade down might make sense, but a trade up could also be in the works for the first round. We have 11 draft picks this year. No way we draft 11 players. Some of those picks are going to be traded to either move up or push extra picks in to next year, so some combination of both.
11 picks? I thought it was only 9. But be it 9 or 11 I do think that those picks can be manipulated with trade ups to get us maybe 6 hopefully really good players. I would rather step up further in round one, or get another first or second round pick than to have a 6th or 7th rounder be just camp fodder. You can probably get UDFAs that will give you as good as a 6th or 7th rounder.
11 picks? I thought it was only 9. But be it 9 or 11 I do think that those picks can be manipulated with trade ups to get us maybe 6 hopefully really good players. I would rather step up further in round one, or get another first or second round pick than to have a 6th or 7th rounder be just camp fodder. You can probably get UDFAs that will give you as good as a 6th or 7th rounder.
No....my bad...9 picks. I suppose I was thinking 9 picks, and then added 2. Sorry for the confusion.
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I'm not sure where to put this, but I saw the PFF draft simulator and threw my hat in the ring on it for the Browns...
Rd 1, #26 LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, Notre Dame
Rd 2, #58 DT Daviyon Nixon, Iowa
Rd 3, #89 Edge Joe Tryon, Washington
Rd 3, #91 Edge Dayo Odoyingho, Vanderbilt
Rd 4, #111 WR Nico Collins, TTUN
Rd 4, #131 Edge Patrick Jones II, Pittsburgh
Rd 5, #169 CB Israel Mukuamu, South Carolina
Rd 6, #208 OT Cole VanLanen, Wisconsin
Rd 7, #255 WR Osirus Mitchell, Mississippi State
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I'd have to agree with this.. https://brownswire.usatoday.com/lists/browns-2021-offseason-needs-free-agency-nfl-draft/
Such a long way to go, and some good talent that may go get cut, falling into a good dumpster diving season...
I'm willing to sit in my recliner & watch good battles like
RDT 99 Billings, Andrew U/Cin 00 JACKSON, MALIK CC/Phi to park next to S.Richardson...
If I'm? Joe Jackson/Gustin/Weaver/Greedy/MJ Stewart/B.Allen/AJ Green/Mack Wilson/Elijah Lee/Redwine or Moffatt/ Forbes to Hubbard's ? I'd be working my tail off, up to Camp day #1..
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Put my name down for Nico Collins. Saw him do work against the Buckeyes 2 years in a row in the redzone.
Also, and I'm sure @mld-woody will appreciate this first glance comment. If you're asking me who would I pull the trigger on as of 1:00PM EST today to line up across from Myles and my options are - Kwity, Ojulari, Patrick Jones & Basham Jr? Kwity gets my nod.
That decision still subject to MAJOR change over the next 30 days.
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Man, Kwity is that "great tools but mediocre production" guy that always scares me.
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Put my name down for Nico Collins. Saw him do work against the Buckeyes 2 years in a row in the redzone.
Also, and I'm sure @mld-woody will appreciate this first glance comment. If you're asking me who would I pull the trigger on as of 1:00PM EST today to line up across from Myles and my options are - Kwity, Ojulari, Patrick Jones & Basham Jr? Kwity gets my nod.
That decision still subject to MAJOR change over the next 30 days.
Put my name down for Nico Collins. Saw him do work against the Buckeyes 2 years in a row in the redzone.
Also, and I'm sure @mld-woody will appreciate this first glance comment. If you're asking me who would I pull the trigger on as of 1:00PM EST today to line up across from Myles and my options are - Kwity, Ojulari, Patrick Jones & Basham Jr? Kwity gets my nod.
That decision still subject to MAJOR change over the next 30 days.
Nico was severely underutilized at Michigan. It was criminal. If we want a big body, high point jump ball guy he's great at that. I think I saw at one point in 2019 he had the highest percentage of DPIs drawn per target. I'm curious to see his pro day numbers.
I'm also bummes we don't get to see Kwity destroy the combine. Would have been a big boost to his stock. Maybe that's ultimately a better outcome for the browns tho.
Though this exists
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Put my name down for Nico Collins. Saw him do work against the Buckeyes 2 years in a row in the redzone.
Also, and I'm sure @mld-woody will appreciate this first glance comment. If you're asking me who would I pull the trigger on as of 1:00PM EST today to line up across from Myles and my options are - Kwity, Ojulari, Patrick Jones & Basham Jr? Kwity gets my nod.
That decision still subject to MAJOR change over the next 30 days.
Put my name down for Nico Collins. Saw him do work against the Buckeyes 2 years in a row in the redzone.
Also, and I'm sure @mld-woody will appreciate this first glance comment. If you're asking me who would I pull the trigger on as of 1:00PM EST today to line up across from Myles and my options are - Kwity, Ojulari, Patrick Jones & Basham Jr? Kwity gets my nod.
That decision still subject to MAJOR change over the next 30 days.
Kwitty would make sense, except he is said to have stiff hips, not flexible enough, needs coached up on pass rush moves for the pros.... etc, and isn't one to drop back into coverage and mess with qb's minds, as much as I've read.
Meaning, is an edge rusher just an edge rusher in the Browns defense? or, the ability to drop back and cover important, which is why I liked Ojulari better as the pick? Kwity is that good, but depending, I'd go Ojulari. Just wondering....
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11 picks? I thought it was only 9. But be it 9 or 11 I do think that those picks can be manipulated with trade ups to get us maybe 6 hopefully really good players. I would rather step up further in round one, or get another first or second round pick than to have a 6th or 7th rounder be just camp fodder. You can probably get UDFAs that will give you as good as a 6th or 7th rounder.
No....my bad...9 picks. I suppose I was thinking 9 picks, and then added 2. Sorry for the confusion.
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Put my name down for Nico Collins. Saw him do work against the Buckeyes 2 years in a row in the redzone.
Also, and I'm sure @mld-woody will appreciate this first glance comment. If you're asking me who would I pull the trigger on as of 1:00PM EST today to line up across from Myles and my options are - Kwity, Ojulari, Patrick Jones & Basham Jr? Kwity gets my nod.
That decision still subject to MAJOR change over the next 30 days.
Kwitty would make sense, except he is said to have stiff hips, not flexible enough, needs coached up on pass rush moves for the pros.... etc, and isn't one to drop back into coverage and mess with qb's minds, as much as I've read.
Meaning, is an edge rusher just an edge rusher in the Browns defense? or, the ability to drop back and cover important, which is why I liked Ojulari better as the pick? Kwity is that good, but depending, I'd go Ojulari. Just wondering....
Kwitty would make sense, except he is said to have stiff hips, not flexible enough, needs coached up on pass rush moves for the pros.... etc, and isn't one to drop back into coverage and mess with qb's minds, as much as I've read.
Is a guy with stiff hips naturally flaccid between the hips?
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Put my name down for Nico Collins. Saw him do work against the Buckeyes 2 years in a row in the redzone.
Also, and I'm sure @mld-woody will appreciate this first glance comment. If you're asking me who would I pull the trigger on as of 1:00PM EST today to line up across from Myles and my options are - Kwity, Ojulari, Patrick Jones & Basham Jr? Kwity gets my nod.
That decision still subject to MAJOR change over the next 30 days.
Kwitty would make sense, except he is said to have stiff hips, not flexible enough, needs coached up on pass rush moves for the pros.... etc, and isn't one to drop back into coverage and mess with qb's minds, as much as I've read.
Meaning, is an edge rusher just an edge rusher in the Browns defense? or, the ability to drop back and cover important, which is why I liked Ojulari better as the pick? Kwity is that good, but depending, I'd go Ojulari. Just wondering....
Meaning, is an edge rusher just an edge rusher in the Browns defense? or, the ability to drop back and cover important, which is why I liked Ojulari better as the pick? Kwity is that good, but depending, I'd go Ojulari. Just wondering....
On a scale of 1-10 with 10 being most important a 4-3 DE "Edge" ability to drop is a "1".
We saw MG drop maybe twice all year. It's as rare as zone-blitzes are rare in a given D-Coord's play calls.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I feel like I'm watching Trent Cole. But I can't tell for the better or the worse... yet.
good comparison..
quick 1st step..speed to power..stacks & shreds with ripping powerful hands.good punch when called for. but you won't see much of any corner bends..
Although Kwity does not quite have his length... I keep seeing the young Carlos Dunlap.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I feel like I'm watching Trent Cole. But I can't tell for the better or the worse... yet.
good comparison..
quick 1st step..speed to power..stacks & shreds with ripping powerful hands.good punch when called for. but you won't see much of any corner bends..
Although Kwity does not quite have his length... I keep seeing the young Carlos Dunlap.
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I feel like I'm watching Trent Cole. But I can't tell for the better or the worse... yet.
good comparison..
quick 1st step..speed to power..stacks & shreds with ripping powerful hands.good punch when called for. but you won't see much of any corner bends..
Although Kwity does not quite have his length... I keep seeing the young Carlos Dunlap.
Although Kwity does not quite have his length... I keep seeing the young Carlos Dunlap.
My brother in law is a huge Michigan fan (oh! the text messages we've lived) I've always told him..It's like 'Brandon Graham' (1.13) still plays at Michigan... but Kwity can bring a Myles Jack type 1st step..
Honestly, If a gm's job includes projecting talent to the NFL?
Kwity Paye is my (hand in dirt) can't miss 'freak'... No combine, but the dude will blow-up his pro day.. He's had Pro coaching (Harbaugh) since 2017..Kwity played 2 games in 2017 & Jay & I, knew the kid had 'it' to bring into 2018.. He's added more " tools to his toolbox" for 3 season's, that others don't have.. Paye has faced some of the stiffest comp../ his team got whipped on Saturdays, but regardless of the score.. He's all about great effort with a full motor.. I can't remember a single football play the guy took off..
He's got twitch/size/wing/high motor/ all in a Julius Peppers frame... Paye's my top defensive player on the board with no thinking twice... (I just can't find a way to get into the top 10 ?)
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Although Kwity does not quite have his length... I keep seeing the young Carlos Dunlap.
My brother in law is a huge Michigan fan (oh! the text messages we've lived) I've always told him..It's like 'Brandon Graham' (1.13) still plays at Michigan... but Kwity can bring a Myles Jack type 1st step..
Honestly, If a gm's job includes projecting talent to the NFL?
Kwity Paye is my (hand in dirt) can't miss 'freak'... No combine, but the dude will blow-up his pro day.. He's had Pro coaching (Harbaugh) since 2017..Kwity played 2 games in 2017 & Jay & I, knew the kid had 'it' to bring into 2018.. He's added more " tools to his toolbox" for 3 season's, that others don't have.. Paye has faced some of the stiffest comp../ his team got whipped on Saturdays, but regardless of the score.. He's all about great effort with a full motor.. I can't remember a single football play the guy took off..
He's got twitch/size/wing/high motor/ all in a Julius Peppers frame... Paye's my top defensive player on the board with no thinking twice... (I just can't find a way to get into the top 10 ?)
My brother in law is a huge Michigan fan (oh! the text messages we've lived) I've always told him..It's like 'Brandon Graham' (1.13) still plays at Michigan... but Kwity can bring a Myles Jack type 1st step..
Honestly, If a gm's job includes projecting talent to the NFL?
Kwity Paye is my (hand in dirt) can't miss 'freak'... No combine, but the dude will blow-up his pro day.. He's had Pro coaching (Harbaugh) since 2017..Kwity played 2 games in 2017 & Jay & I, knew the kid had 'it' to bring into 2018.. He's added more " tools to his toolbox" for 3 season's, that others don't have.. Paye has faced some of the stiffest comp../ his team got whipped on Saturdays, but regardless of the score.. He's all about great effort with a full motor.. I can't remember a single football play the guy took off..
He's got twitch/size/wing/high motor/ all in a Julius Peppers frame... Paye's my top defensive player on the board with no thinking twice... (I just can't find a way to get into the top 10 ?)
11.5 sacks in 28 career games. Was he held back by the scheme? Is he a late developer?
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My brother in law is a huge Michigan fan (oh! the text messages we've lived) I've always told him..It's like 'Brandon Graham' (1.13) still plays at Michigan... but Kwity can bring a Myles Jack type 1st step..
Honestly, If a gm's job includes projecting talent to the NFL?
Kwity Paye is my (hand in dirt) can't miss 'freak'... No combine, but the dude will blow-up his pro day.. He's had Pro coaching (Harbaugh) since 2017..Kwity played 2 games in 2017 & Jay & I, knew the kid had 'it' to bring into 2018.. He's added more " tools to his toolbox" for 3 season's, that others don't have.. Paye has faced some of the stiffest comp../ his team got whipped on Saturdays, but regardless of the score.. He's all about great effort with a full motor.. I can't remember a single football play the guy took off..
He's got twitch/size/wing/high motor/ all in a Julius Peppers frame... Paye's my top defensive player on the board with no thinking twice... (I just can't find a way to get into the top 10 ?)
11.5 sacks in 28 career games. Was he held back by the scheme? Is he a late developer?
11.5 sacks in 28 career games. Was he held back by the scheme? Is he a late developer?
Scheme & mostly lack of surrounding defensive talent..Kwity was it.. or schemed out of it, to cover someone else's butt.. In 6 games, they gave up almost 35/game..
Jim Harbaugh is no Stef in offensive play calling.. Their defense was always on the field ?
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time for a goofy prediction:
The Browns will trade up to the 20 pick if their guy is still there, or Tenn. will pick him.
They trade a third round and a fifth round, to move up to 20 to pick:
Azeez Ojulari, LB/DE
he's super athletic, bendy, explosive, very intelligent, outstanding character, loves the game, is fine at dropping back in pass coverage.....
he won't fall to the Browns at 26. He may not even fall to the 20th pick, but I think he will.
and just makes stuff happen.
time for a goofy prediction:
The Browns will trade up to the 20 pick if their guy is still there, or Tenn. will pick him.
They trade a third round and a fifth round, to move up to 20 to pick:
Azeez Ojulari, LB/DE
he's super athletic, bendy, explosive, very intelligent, outstanding character, loves the game, is fine at dropping back in pass coverage.....
he won't fall to the Browns at 26. He may not even fall to the 20th pick, but I think he will.
and just makes stuff happen.
I agree. No way the browns come out of this draft with 9 picks. Plus, I think Azeez Ojulari is perfect for this defense. Re-sign OV (not for the beginning of the year but the end), bring in Dunlap on 1 year deals and then draft AO for the future. Plus, when Dunlap and OV leave, you can collect the comp picks. Go DB in round 2 and BPA for the rest of the draft. This defense can then get after the QB.
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South Carolina CB Jaycee Horn (Joe Horn's son) has met with the Browns multiple times, he says.
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Although Kwity does not quite have his length... I keep seeing the young Carlos Dunlap.
My brother in law is a huge Michigan fan (oh! the text messages we've lived) I've always told him..It's like 'Brandon Graham' (1.13) still plays at Michigan... but Kwity can bring a Myles Jack type 1st step..
Honestly, If a gm's job includes projecting talent to the NFL?
Kwity Paye is my (hand in dirt) can't miss 'freak'... No combine, but the dude will blow-up his pro day.. He's had Pro coaching (Harbaugh) since 2017..Kwity played 2 games in 2017 & Jay & I, knew the kid had 'it' to bring into 2018.. He's added more " tools to his toolbox" for 3 season's, that others don't have.. Paye has faced some of the stiffest comp../ his team got whipped on Saturdays, but regardless of the score.. He's all about great effort with a full motor.. I can't remember a single football play the guy took off..
He's got twitch/size/wing/high motor/ all in a Julius Peppers frame... Paye's my top defensive player on the board with no thinking twice... (I just can't find a way to get into the top 10 ?)
He's got twitch/size/wing/high motor/ all in a Julius Peppers frame... Paye's my top defensive player on the board with no thinking twice... (I just can't find a way to get into the top 10 ?)
Peppers... ah, yes...
Obviously Kwitty has to be pushed down the board to us. And that is just what happened in a DraftNetwork mock I did using their "projections". Four QBs going in the top ten helped.
Plus there's the scheme fit question. Kwitty is made to be a 4-3 DE. Too big to stand up as a 3-4 Edge OLB and not quite big enough to put his hand on the ground in a 3-4. Almost all of the other top Edge prospects... Ojulari, Phillips, Rousseau... are in that stand up mold.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
time for a goofy prediction:
The Browns will trade up to the 20 pick if their guy is still there, or Tenn. will pick him.
They trade a third round and a fifth round, to move up to 20 to pick:
Azeez Ojulari, LB/DE
he's super athletic, bendy, explosive, very intelligent, outstanding character, loves the game, is fine at dropping back in pass coverage.....
he won't fall to the Browns at 26. He may not even fall to the 20th pick, but I think he will.
and just makes stuff happen.
I agree. No way the browns come out of this draft with 9 picks. Plus, I think Azeez Ojulari is perfect for this defense. Re-sign OV (not for the beginning of the year but the end), bring in Dunlap on 1 year deals and then draft AO for the future. Plus, when Dunlap and OV leave, you can collect the comp picks. Go DB in round 2 and BPA for the rest of the draft. This defense can then get after the QB.
Plus, I think Azeez Ojulari is perfect for this defense.
At DE? I can't see that... at least not on early downs at 240#.
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He's got twitch/size/wing/high motor/ all in a Julius Peppers frame... Paye's my top defensive player on the board with no thinking twice... (I just can't find a way to get into the top 10 ?)
Peppers... ah, yes...
Obviously Kwitty has to be pushed down the board to us. And that is just what happened in a DraftNetwork mock I did using their "projections". Four QBs going in the top ten helped.
Plus there's the scheme fit question. Kwitty is made to be a 4-3 DE. Too big to stand up as a 3-4 Edge OLB and not quite big enough to put his hand on the ground in a 3-4. Almost all of the other top Edge prospects... Ojulari, Phillips, Rousseau... are in that stand up mold.
Intriguing pair there... Werner as our SAM and Tui looks like a potential, DT steal in the 3rd.
Tui's trenchmate Tufele looks to be more NFL ready to be a 3-down IDL... has the higher floor... but Tui's upside value at a one-round discount is attractive.
Werner has not drawn a lot of attention... just doesn't seem to have the speed for the NFL... but the kid just makes plays.
I just can't find myself pulling the trigger on a DT until rounds 3 or 4.. Waiting till round 4, the average seems to be what's left...
I think Werner has that Luke Kuechly gift ? 'if you devour your opponents tendencies & situational formations via game tape? " I'll still get there, before they will '
These sim's know me.. I'll pull the trigger on Browning or Justin Hilliard too.. They just take them 2 picks before my pick ?
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Plus there's the scheme fit question. Kwitty is made to be a 4-3 DE. Too big to stand up as a 3-4 Edge OLB and not quite big enough to put his hand on the ground in a 3-4. Almost all of the other top Edge prospects... Ojulari, Phillips, Rousseau... are in that stand up mold.
^^ excellent game-tape point right here fella's^^^..... and The more i watch Carlos Basham..? the more i see him playing DE similar to Olivier Vernon ?
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