2021 'Who are you watching?' NFL prospect thread.
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@tour2ma For giggles I had Kellen Mond v UNC on my recommended list and figured I'd give him 30 minutes of my time
I know he's your dark-horse, but I'm not quite seeing that "Dak-ness" with this one. So far in this early game he's had some happy feet and some spotty late throws.
He's not Dak in his Senior year, but I see the same trajectory Dak was on as a Junior.
Focus on Mond's delivery mechanics... throws from his earhole, so release is very quick. I'm hard pressed to recall a quicker one. Plus he has plenty of arm... good size and speed with fair agility.
As season goes on I think you will see a better pocket presence.
He's not Dak in his Senior year, but I see the same trajectory Dak was on as a Junior.
Focus on Mond's delivery mechanics... throws from his earhole, so release is very quick. I'm hard pressed to recall a quicker one. Plus he has plenty of arm... good size and speed with fair agility.
As season goes on I think you will see a better pocket presence.
So go back and youtube to refresh your memory if need be, but my comparison both mechanics and arm strength wise for Mond is Sam Bradford. Both have that from the ear release and decent arm strength. My issue with Mond so far in my limited viewing has been his timing and ball placement. There was one in particular in this cutup that was kind of the synopsis of his short coming.
@ 2:52 2 man scissor vs man coverage. Or at least a bad pass off in cover 3. But if this ball were delivered on time and ahead of the receiver, it's a touchdown. Instead the late throw and behind placement gave the DB time to recover.
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JJ is man on the #2 in the empty set. Peaks the downblock, turns his eyes immediately back into the interior, says "fuck it" and attacks the clear crease over the RG.
And you can hear that 'POP' too. Another reason why I call JJ a younger version of Malcolm Jenkins. He's a DB who isn't afraid to go get contact.
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JC Jackson. Here is what I can tell you.
He ain't 6'1 like he's listed. And he is for damn certain not 200lbs. He's 5'10ish 190lbs.
- Decent arm length
- good patience in his mirror
- good pad level and eye discipline
- lacks elite twitch, hip fluidity and recovery speed.
He is the typical late round DB that NE has done a great job coaching up over the years. Especially in man coverage outside and to the boundary. He uses his patience and contact away from the line to squeeze and trail defenders in man. He sort of has qualities of Kary Vincent (you've probably seen me gush over) minus the elite foot speed. Though KV is probably a half inch shorter and a few pounds lighter.
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@ :42 - I hate seeing my edge take a hard inside shoulder, then stack too upright and lean into the block. PJ ends up sideways then on his ass.
OT really never lost leverage here so I don't necessarily mark that as a dub for Jones.@ :51 - 2nd and 8 and there really isn't much width on this split. Damn near playing a heads up look. A decent enough take off, but I still can't shake this feeling of his
speed being handicapped by running technique and footwork. His weight to burst transition just looks so damn unnatural at times. Still, Jones gets the corner here but
but I just don't see the constant sink in his hips and flattening out to really bend these into sacks. Granted, King's mobility complicates matters. PJ still registered the pressure and forced the scramble.
@ 1:00 - Not attacking so far upfield, obvious Miami is a running team and you have to respect your assignment on the early downs. Realizes Kings last scramble was to his side so staying light footed and hoping King anticipates pressure, maybe walks into a sack/TFL as opposed to actually sensing pressure. Side note - great play design and sell by both the QB AND the RB. Back releases like he's the lead and b-lines it for the WILL backer like he's about to light a MF up. Only to bend it back inside and upfield. Good call, good design, great execution.@ 1:27 - Pitt moving to more of their 33 looks on passing situations. Again gets Jones 1 on 1 with the OT because of the 6man pressure. OUTSTANDING pick up on the B-gap safety by the running back by the way. He went and got contact before contact found him, then did a reasonably good job at fighting to hold his ground. Anywho, back to Jonesy. Another decent take off and a slight dip of the shoulder. I would criticize his hips and surface area for the OT to strike, but with the depth of King on this drop, you have a much more "linear" path to the QB. There really isn't a corner to bend around so this SHOULD have been easy pickings. But the finish is where I give bad marks going back to his center of gravity. He didn't have to sink and bend to win the corner, but you still need to arrive under control, maximize your reach and take this QB down. Yes, King is mobile. But this is a sack that a premier first round talent makes and should make look pretty routine. The OT combined with the depth of QB drop handed it to Jones on a plate and he just couldn't close. Like in sales, A.B.C. Always. Be. Closing.
@ 2:46 - I'm convinced Jones didn't give a single fuck about sacking King or generating a pressure. The few cuts before this were gap power runs and the LT didn't let up on Jones until the whistle was clearly done. It was looking to get real chippy real damn quick between these two and I think this was that response. Jones is playing more of a 7tech here and screams off the edge. But watch what he does - no disengage, no head movement, no arms trying to get span and bring down the QB. Nope, he is taking this LT for a walk in the fucking park. QB is even climbing to escape and Jones is more worried about putting the LT straight back on his ass. Our boy's got an attitude. I like that (sort of)
@ 3:44 - Instead of taking that extra half second to setup his move, Jones just launches himself, literally leaving his feet, into the guards inside shoulder. Lucky he didn't get absolutely fucking planted here.@ 4:05 - Strong initial contact, gets his right hand free extending onto the OT with his left arm. Eyes up and locates the RB while working upfield. Forces the RB to take a negative depth of first cut, get wide and pray to recover back to the LOS. Gives time for the calvary to arrive while Jones disengages and has the motor for pursuit which he cleans up. That's good work playing a strong side end here. Not only does he basically make this play
and allows his teammates to arrive, he comes in to make sure it goes nowhere.@ 4:55 - IZ read on the backside 3 tech. LG gets a chip then works to the weakside backer. 3 tech steps down to the RB on the mesh, King keeps and moves to the open B gap with some nice footwork. Nothing really against Jones here, he likely wouldn't have been able to stack and shed that well to shut down this read. But if he would have? Cot damn... Just wanted to highlight the first inside read I had seen so far.
@ 5:06 - Frontside double power, looks like the center and right tackle. Patrick does a good job holding his ground against the lead, forcing the RB to flat cut outside for any shot at daylight. Cut that flat to the boundary (short side) doesn't always bode well for a ball carrier. Safety flys up to the outside shoulder, doesn't clean up the tackle but that whole time Patrick is still fighting to disengage from the pull, which he does to bring down the RB.
@ 6:08 - Zone read on the backside end (Jones) It's a bad read as Patrick stayed home, but even if it was a handoff this was going nowhere. Patrick uses that good first step and arm length to basically corral King down. If this was to the field MAYBE King has a shot? IDK... either way, good athletic play by PJ2.This is just over the halfway point of the season and something is starting to become clear - I don't believe Jones is ready to be an NFL pass rusher yet. He's ready to be an NFL player, yes. He's ready to come in on early downs, running situations and to occasionally spell where he'll do his best work; which looks to be his film against the run from the edge. He has the physical makeup and mentals... him damn near assaulting the LT in the play I time stamped proves that much. But his technique is very raw, his counter move almost non-existent, his weight distribution spotty and his footwork/hand placement (usage)/sync all need a great deal of coaching. A great deal of coaching and therefore likely a great deal of time. As for consistency? You can forget that one too.
I just don't think I'm watching a talent that I myself would take in the 1st round. The physical gifts are there, but the times when he could have shown those "elite" moments were not. Not as a pass rusher anyway. So if the Browns are hell-bent on taking a young player in this draft to lineup across from Myles, expect year 1 production, then believe it will be the difference in beating KC or losing.... I hate to tell you that I just don't see it.
I still have one more game to go, I wanted to watch the very backhalf of the season. But middle day 2 feels right for Patrick so far. I wouldn't even be shocked if he falls to the super early day 3. But given his athletic profile, I wouldn't really expect that.
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@ :42 - I hate seeing my edge take a hard inside shoulder, then stack too upright and lean into the block. PJ ends up sideways then on his ass.
OT really never lost leverage here so I don't necessarily mark that as a dub for Jones.@ :51 - 2nd and 8 and there really isn't much width on this split. Damn near playing a heads up look. A decent enough take off, but I still can't shake this feeling of his
speed being handicapped by running technique and footwork. His weight to burst transition just looks so damn unnatural at times. Still, Jones gets the corner here but
but I just don't see the constant sink in his hips and flattening out to really bend these into sacks. Granted, King's mobility complicates matters. PJ still registered the pressure and forced the scramble.
@ 1:00 - Not attacking so far upfield, obvious Miami is a running team and you have to respect your assignment on the early downs. Realizes Kings last scramble was to his side so staying light footed and hoping King anticipates pressure, maybe walks into a sack/TFL as opposed to actually sensing pressure. Side note - great play design and sell by both the QB AND the RB. Back releases like he's the lead and b-lines it for the WILL backer like he's about to light a MF up. Only to bend it back inside and upfield. Good call, good design, great execution.@ 1:27 - Pitt moving to more of their 33 looks on passing situations. Again gets Jones 1 on 1 with the OT because of the 6man pressure. OUTSTANDING pick up on the B-gap safety by the running back by the way. He went and got contact before contact found him, then did a reasonably good job at fighting to hold his ground. Anywho, back to Jonesy. Another decent take off and a slight dip of the shoulder. I would criticize his hips and surface area for the OT to strike, but with the depth of King on this drop, you have a much more "linear" path to the QB. There really isn't a corner to bend around so this SHOULD have been easy pickings. But the finish is where I give bad marks going back to his center of gravity. He didn't have to sink and bend to win the corner, but you still need to arrive under control, maximize your reach and take this QB down. Yes, King is mobile. But this is a sack that a premier first round talent makes and should make look pretty routine. The OT combined with the depth of QB drop handed it to Jones on a plate and he just couldn't close. Like in sales, A.B.C. Always. Be. Closing.
@ 2:46 - I'm convinced Jones didn't give a single fuck about sacking King or generating a pressure. The few cuts before this were gap power runs and the LT didn't let up on Jones until the whistle was clearly done. It was looking to get real chippy real damn quick between these two and I think this was that response. Jones is playing more of a 7tech here and screams off the edge. But watch what he does - no disengage, no head movement, no arms trying to get span and bring down the QB. Nope, he is taking this LT for a walk in the fucking park. QB is even climbing to escape and Jones is more worried about putting the LT straight back on his ass. Our boy's got an attitude. I like that (sort of)
@ 3:44 - Instead of taking that extra half second to setup his move, Jones just launches himself, literally leaving his feet, into the guards inside shoulder. Lucky he didn't get absolutely fucking planted here.@ 4:05 - Strong initial contact, gets his right hand free extending onto the OT with his left arm. Eyes up and locates the RB while working upfield. Forces the RB to take a negative depth of first cut, get wide and pray to recover back to the LOS. Gives time for the calvary to arrive while Jones disengages and has the motor for pursuit which he cleans up. That's good work playing a strong side end here. Not only does he basically make this play
and allows his teammates to arrive, he comes in to make sure it goes nowhere.@ 4:55 - IZ read on the backside 3 tech. LG gets a chip then works to the weakside backer. 3 tech steps down to the RB on the mesh, King keeps and moves to the open B gap with some nice footwork. Nothing really against Jones here, he likely wouldn't have been able to stack and shed that well to shut down this read. But if he would have? Cot damn... Just wanted to highlight the first inside read I had seen so far.
@ 5:06 - Frontside double power, looks like the center and right tackle. Patrick does a good job holding his ground against the lead, forcing the RB to flat cut outside for any shot at daylight. Cut that flat to the boundary (short side) doesn't always bode well for a ball carrier. Safety flys up to the outside shoulder, doesn't clean up the tackle but that whole time Patrick is still fighting to disengage from the pull, which he does to bring down the RB.
@ 6:08 - Zone read on the backside end (Jones) It's a bad read as Patrick stayed home, but even if it was a handoff this was going nowhere. Patrick uses that good first step and arm length to basically corral King down. If this was to the field MAYBE King has a shot? IDK... either way, good athletic play by PJ2.This is just over the halfway point of the season and something is starting to become clear - I don't believe Jones is ready to be an NFL pass rusher yet. He's ready to be an NFL player, yes. He's ready to come in on early downs, running situations and to occasionally spell where he'll do his best work; which looks to be his film against the run from the edge. He has the physical makeup and mentals... him damn near assaulting the LT in the play I time stamped proves that much. But his technique is very raw, his counter move almost non-existent, his weight distribution spotty and his footwork/hand placement (usage)/sync all need a great deal of coaching. A great deal of coaching and therefore likely a great deal of time. As for consistency? You can forget that one too.
I just don't think I'm watching a talent that I myself would take in the 1st round. The physical gifts are there, but the times when he could have shown those "elite" moments were not. Not as a pass rusher anyway. So if the Browns are hell-bent on taking a young player in this draft to lineup across from Myles, expect year 1 production, then believe it will be the difference in beating KC or losing.... I hate to tell you that I just don't see it.
I still have one more game to go, I wanted to watch the very backhalf of the season. But middle day 2 feels right for Patrick so far. I wouldn't even be shocked if he falls to the super early day 3. But given his athletic profile, I wouldn't really expect that.
But middle day 2 feels right for Patrick so far.
Seems to be where most of the projections put him.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Hmm.. Even Kollmann may occasionally get one wrong..
to both Watts seems ambitious at best. -
Hmm.. Even Kollmann may occasionally get one wrong..
to both Watts seems ambitious at best.Hmm.. Even Kollmann may occasionally get one wrong..
to both Watts seems ambitious at best.Player comparisons aren't such a bad thing. Helps maybe build a profile on what you're attempting to project. I just said that Kwity Paye brings Trent Cole to mind.
Never watched Phillips, but I'll put him on the list.
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Hmm.. Even Kollmann may occasionally get one wrong..
to both Watts seems ambitious at best.Player comparisons aren't such a bad thing. Helps maybe build a profile on what you're attempting to project. I just said that Kwity Paye brings Trent Cole to mind.
Never watched Phillips, but I'll put him on the list.
Player comparisons aren't such a bad thing. Helps maybe build a profile on what you're attempting to project. I just said that Kwity Paye brings Trent Cole to mind.
Never watched Phillips, but I'll put him on the list.
How about putting Bama's DT Barmore on that list. I have a feeling we may be interested after letting Ogunjobi go. After watching what TBs front 4 did, I think we could do worse in building this D inside out.
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Player comparisons aren't such a bad thing. Helps maybe build a profile on what you're attempting to project. I just said that Kwity Paye brings Trent Cole to mind.
Never watched Phillips, but I'll put him on the list.
How about putting Bama's DT Barmore on that list. I have a feeling we may be interested after letting Ogunjobi go. After watching what TBs front 4 did, I think we could do worse in building this D inside out.
How about putting Bama's DT Barmore on that list. I have a feeling we may be interested after letting Ogunjobi go. After watching what TBs front 4 did, I think we could do worse in building this D inside out.
Will do.
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Seems to be where most of the projections put him.
Linky link? I've honestly read no other opinions on him or pretty much all of these other players save from some of the posters on this board.
Curious as to what other minds arrived at. Minds who get paid for their opinions. =(
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How about putting Bama's DT Barmore on that list. I have a feeling we may be interested after letting Ogunjobi go. After watching what TBs front 4 did, I think we could do worse in building this D inside out.
Will do.
Will do.
Looking forward to that. He's a force as both ND and OSU can attest.
Edit: Here is a start.
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Linky link? I've honestly read no other opinions on him or pretty much all of these other players save from some of the posters on this board.
Curious as to what other minds arrived at. Minds who get paid for their opinions. =(
More a reference to where Jones falls in many rankings, e.g., CBS at #61, than detailed analyses.
Oddly TDN has him ranked much lower, in the 120s, but has this fairly glowing breakdown...
Pittsburgh defensive end Patrick Jones II takes his talents to the NFL after a strong junior and senior campaign where he racked up a combined 24 tackles for loss and 17.5 sacks in 22 games. Jones II is a balanced defender, capable of making an impact as a pass rusher and run defender but he doesn’t offer much in the way of scheme-versatility—he’s a 4-3 defensive end with almost no experience in a standup role, dropping in coverage, or playing on the interior. As a pass rusher, Jones II is hard-charging out of his stance and brings a good variety of moves to the table. He’s a smart run defender that competes for his gap, processes quickly, and understands how to counter blocks. The concerns with Jones II entering the next level is his lean frame, modest length, and the need to continue developing his hand technique. Jones II has the upside to start in the NFL and command a majority of the snaps in an even front defense.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Linky link? I've honestly read no other opinions on him or pretty much all of these other players save from some of the posters on this board.
Curious as to what other minds arrived at. Minds who get paid for their opinions. =(
More a reference to where Jones falls in many rankings, e.g., CBS at #61, than detailed analyses.
Oddly TDN has him ranked much lower, in the 120s, but has this fairly glowing breakdown...
Pittsburgh defensive end Patrick Jones II takes his talents to the NFL after a strong junior and senior campaign where he racked up a combined 24 tackles for loss and 17.5 sacks in 22 games. Jones II is a balanced defender, capable of making an impact as a pass rusher and run defender but he doesn’t offer much in the way of scheme-versatility—he’s a 4-3 defensive end with almost no experience in a standup role, dropping in coverage, or playing on the interior. As a pass rusher, Jones II is hard-charging out of his stance and brings a good variety of moves to the table. He’s a smart run defender that competes for his gap, processes quickly, and understands how to counter blocks. The concerns with Jones II entering the next level is his lean frame, modest length, and the need to continue developing his hand technique. Jones II has the upside to start in the NFL and command a majority of the snaps in an even front defense.
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Looking forward to that. He's a force as both ND and OSU can attest.
Edit: Here is a start.
I appreciate the link but as a general rule of thumb, I never watch somebody else's material or breakdown when going through my initial prospect viewings. I want to walk into something with an open mind and a clean slate, Just let the film speak for itself. I find this way I avoid outside influence that might slip in and influence my opinion for the better or worse before I can formulate my own thoughts.
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Sleeper here, insane combine numbers and versatile D lineman apparently
Milton Williams
6’3”
286 lbs
32 bench reps
35” vert
4.63 40 yard dash
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If you enjoy explanations of OL technique nuance, as I know nearly 5 of you do, you'll enjoy this
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This was my first viewing of Barmore.
Initial thoughts.
- ND acquitted themselves very nicely in this game on the IOL.
- While CB is incredibly strong and showed some anchor against an elite IOL, he also looked to play a bit high consistently which fucked him over hard. He got out leveraged a good bit.
- Because of his higher pad level, he seems to fire off a little slower but good news is that his arm extension is solid and his hands work well. They're heavy and he's a brawler. But he doesn't seem to misplace them by getting into the OL face.
- His lateral play and agility is.... lacking. Granted I understand that isn't all his game but getting across his face wasn't an overly difficult task for ND.
- Pocket push against single is very hit or miss. High pads don't help.
- When he does win the inside shoulder he walks people back, but does so simply because he just overpowers lineman. Not easy, so it just displays his strength. Even when he does drive back, his balance and feet aren't always under him so you see him being "re-directed" by the ND OL.
I have to ask what I'm seeing here that would make him so elite that I would consider him 1st round? A fine player? Absolutely. Potentially great? Sure. But his ceiling looks Linval Joseph-ish.... So if you aren't that transcendent talent at IDL, is my 1st round investment worth it? Will he be someone that helps this team get over the hump come playoff time? Keep in mind that Linval was a 2nd round pick. CB's physically overpowering play style is not all that dissimilar from Javon Kinlaw who had a very up and down year with SF. By the end of this game the ND line was pretty worn down but the Bama defense rotates their line like a swarm. Whoever #48 is did some serious damage in that rotation when CB wasn't getting snaps. I'm going to have to watch more and I do remember him playing well against tOSU. But my own team building philosophy and importance placed where I would hypothetically draft IDL might not allow me to be completely enamored with Barmore.
He's disruptive enough to merit further watch though and that is absolutely what I will be doing.
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Whether it is 49ers or Falcons- both are great spots for Justin Fields. I think he needs a year to make up for his lack of college Reps. But I think he develops down the road.
I knew he was going to wow during the workout.
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This was my first viewing of Barmore.
Initial thoughts.
- ND acquitted themselves very nicely in this game on the IOL.
- While CB is incredibly strong and showed some anchor against an elite IOL, he also looked to play a bit high consistently which fucked him over hard. He got out leveraged a good bit.
- Because of his higher pad level, he seems to fire off a little slower but good news is that his arm extension is solid and his hands work well. They're heavy and he's a brawler. But he doesn't seem to misplace them by getting into the OL face.
- His lateral play and agility is.... lacking. Granted I understand that isn't all his game but getting across his face wasn't an overly difficult task for ND.
- Pocket push against single is very hit or miss. High pads don't help.
- When he does win the inside shoulder he walks people back, but does so simply because he just overpowers lineman. Not easy, so it just displays his strength. Even when he does drive back, his balance and feet aren't always under him so you see him being "re-directed" by the ND OL.
I have to ask what I'm seeing here that would make him so elite that I would consider him 1st round? A fine player? Absolutely. Potentially great? Sure. But his ceiling looks Linval Joseph-ish.... So if you aren't that transcendent talent at IDL, is my 1st round investment worth it? Will he be someone that helps this team get over the hump come playoff time? Keep in mind that Linval was a 2nd round pick. CB's physically overpowering play style is not all that dissimilar from Javon Kinlaw who had a very up and down year with SF. By the end of this game the ND line was pretty worn down but the Bama defense rotates their line like a swarm. Whoever #48 is did some serious damage in that rotation when CB wasn't getting snaps. I'm going to have to watch more and I do remember him playing well against tOSU. But my own team building philosophy and importance placed where I would hypothetically draft IDL might not allow me to be completely enamored with Barmore.
He's disruptive enough to merit further watch though and that is absolutely what I will be doing.
This was my first viewing of Barmore.
Initial thoughts.
- ND acquitted themselves very nicely in this game on the IOL.
- While CB is incredibly strong and showed some anchor against an elite IOL, he also looked to play a bit high consistently which fucked him over hard. He got out leveraged a good bit.
- Because of his higher pad level, he seems to fire off a little slower but good news is that his arm extension is solid and his hands work well. They're heavy and he's a brawler. But he doesn't seem to misplace them by getting into the OL face.
- His lateral play and agility is.... lacking. Granted I understand that isn't all his game but getting across his face wasn't an overly difficult task for ND.
- Pocket push against single is very hit or miss. High pads don't help.
- When he does win the inside shoulder he walks people back, but does so simply because he just overpowers lineman. Not easy, so it just displays his strength. Even when he does drive back, his balance and feet aren't always under him so you see him being "re-directed" by the ND OL.
I have to ask what I'm seeing here that would make him so elite that I would consider him 1st round? A fine player? Absolutely. Potentially great? Sure. But his ceiling looks Linval Joseph-ish.... So if you aren't that transcendent talent at IDL, is my 1st round investment worth it? Will he be someone that helps this team get over the hump come playoff time? Keep in mind that Linval was a 2nd round pick. CB's physically overpowering play style is not all that dissimilar from Javon Kinlaw who had a very up and down year with SF. By the end of this game the ND line was pretty worn down but the Bama defense rotates their line like a swarm. Whoever #48 is did some serious damage in that rotation when CB wasn't getting snaps. I'm going to have to watch more and I do remember him playing well against tOSU. But my own team building philosophy and importance placed where I would hypothetically draft IDL might not allow me to be completely enamored with Barmore.
He's disruptive enough to merit further watch though and that is absolutely what I will be doing.
One thing I noticed especially through the 1st half was that he drew a ton of double teams. If we take him they will not be able to do that against MG, SR and Barmore all at the same time. Now if we add Clowney to that mix...............quadruple terror for the QB. If we don't then we actually might see a real improvement to McKinley with those other 3 in the lineup with him. Somebody would get in almost every play. And even in his later years Jackson is no easy match either. I like what is happening in our DL. Barmore might be a bit raw, but I have confidence our D coaches can fix it quick. I'm getting excited about this DL for the coming season.
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-- Cam McGrone, Nico Collins, Osa Odighizuwa, Creed Humphrey, and Jamar Johnson. Highlights:McGrone over Jamin Davis, Collins dropped 20 pounds and dominated the Senior Bowl with newfound separation while retaining his obvious ball skills, Odi is 6'2 280# with 34" arms whose playstyle resembles Tuitt [start at 5T, move to 3T for passing downs], Humphrey's a plug-and-play C even though he may fall out of rd1, and Jamar is the Indiana S who picked Fields 2x.. likely best fit as near-LOS S bc only weakness is raw speed; short-area-quickness and intelligence are ridiculous.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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