Fujita signed...
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nmills said:
I think we have the depth that we can afford to lose him for a second round pick. You can find good ILB's in the 4th and 5th rounds if needed , then you can use that 2nd rd. pick to address another position
why make another hole? why not use that pick to fill a diffrent hole on top of losing our best LB (yes he is better then Roth who played great a whole 5 games, Jacksons been great since he was drafted)
why make another hole? why not use that pick to fill a diffrent hole on top of losing our best LB (yes he is better then Roth who played great a whole 5 games, Jacksons been great since he was drafted)
Because I dont think its a significant drop off from Jackson to Barton, Fujita, Maiva. Sure Jackson might be a little better but I'l take a slight dropoff at ILB to pick up a extra 2nd round pick to draft a CB or S. CB's are on a island every play so if there bad you'll get exposed like we have. LB's weaknesses can be hidden in schemes and stunts. JMO
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why make another hole? why not use that pick to fill a diffrent hole on top of losing our best LB (yes he is better then Roth who played great a whole 5 games, Jacksons been great since he was drafted)
Because I dont think its a significant drop off from Jackson to Barton, Fujita, Maiva. Sure Jackson might be a little better but I'l take a slight dropoff at ILB to pick up a extra 2nd round pick to draft a CB or S. CB's are on a island every play so if there bad you'll get exposed like we have. LB's weaknesses can be hidden in schemes and stunts. JMO
nmills said:
Because I dont think its a significant drop off from Jackson to Barton, Fujita, Maiva. Sure Jackson might be a little better but I'l take a slight dropoff at ILB to pick up a extra 2nd round pick to draft a CB or S. CB's are on a island every play so if there bad you'll get exposed like we have. LB's weaknesses can be hidden in schemes and stunts. JMOLOL oh boy thanks for the laughs
do the steelers have a great secondary? no they do their damage with their front 7
how about balitmore? Indy? Jets? Eagles?
the Front 7 wins games, not secondary
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why make another hole? why not use that pick to fill a diffrent hole on top of losing our best LB (yes he is better then Roth who played great a whole 5 games, Jacksons been great since he was drafted)
Because I dont think its a significant drop off from Jackson to Barton, Fujita, Maiva. Sure Jackson might be a little better but I'l take a slight dropoff at ILB to pick up a extra 2nd round pick to draft a CB or S. CB's are on a island every play so if there bad you'll get exposed like we have. LB's weaknesses can be hidden in schemes and stunts. JMO
nmills said:
Because I dont think its a significant drop off from Jackson to Barton, Fujita, Maiva. Sure Jackson might be a little better but I'l take a slight dropoff at ILB to pick up a extra 2nd round pick to draft a CB or S. CB's are on a island every play so if there bad you'll get exposed like we have. LB's weaknesses can be hidden in schemes and stunts. JMOCB's are on island, but that island can have a whole different look depending on the job of your front! It can either mean you are on vacation in paradise or stranded and LOST! If you can get pressure on the QB your CB's have less time to cover and can make plays easier. Take the Jets philosophy when they signed Cromartie, they said basically with the pressure they can put on a QB, their Corners only have to lockdown for 2-3 seconds rather than try to cover a reciever all over the field. So IMO you start improving your secondary by making your line good and build it with players stout against the run and able to quickly get pressure on the QB from the ends.
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oh, lets get rid of the guy that has led our team in tackles for 3 straight years, (not including last year). Some Browns fans just dont get it, I've heard too many assnine statement lately.
Maiava?... are you serious?...
Thats a Gigantic drop-off
oh, lets get rid of the guy that has led our team in tackles for 3 straight years, (not including last year). Some Browns fans just dont get it, I've heard too many assnine statement lately.
Maiava?... are you serious?...
Thats a Gigantic drop-off
bu...bu....but we would get an unknown, unproven player with that 2nd round pick
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nmills said:
Because I dont think its a significant drop off from Jackson to Barton, Fujita, Maiva. Sure Jackson might be a little better but I'l take a slight dropoff at ILB to pick up a extra 2nd round pick to draft a CB or S. CB's are on a island every play so if there bad you'll get exposed like we have. LB's weaknesses can be hidden in schemes and stunts. JMOCB's are on island, but that island can have a whole different look depending on the job of your front! It can either mean you are on vacation in paradise or stranded and LOST! If you can get pressure on the QB your CB's have less time to cover and can make plays easier. Take the Jets philosophy when they signed Cromartie, they said basically with the pressure they can put on a QB, their Corners only have to lockdown for 2-3 seconds rather than try to cover a reciever all over the field. So IMO you start improving your secondary by making your line good and build it with players stout against the run and able to quickly get pressure on the QB from the ends.
CB's are on island, but that island can have a whole different look depending on the job of your front! It can either mean you are on vacation in paradise or stranded and LOST! If you can get pressure on the QB your CB's have less time to cover and can make plays easier. Take the Jets philosophy when they signed Cromartie, they said basically with the pressure they can put on a QB, their Corners only have to lockdown for 2-3 seconds rather than try to cover a reciever all over the field. So IMO you start improving your secondary by making your line good and build it with players stout against the run and able to quickly get pressure on the QB from the ends.
I'd agree with some of that but Rex Ryans philosophy is to send more players than they can block. In order to do that you have to have corners that can cover man to man. Revis is probably the best in the game and Cromartie is a damn good #2. When you dont have to use LB's to help in pass coverage it makes it alot easier to stop the run and get pressure on the QB
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oh, lets get rid of the guy that has led our team in tackles for 3 straight years, (not including last year). Some Browns fans just dont get it, I've heard too many assnine statement lately.
Maiava?... are you serious?...
Thats a Gigantic drop-off
oh, lets get rid of the guy that has led our team in tackles for 3 straight years, (not including last year). Some Browns fans just dont get it, I've heard too many assnine statement lately.
Maiava?... are you serious?...
Thats a Gigantic drop-off
Andra Davis led us in tackles every year to, thats not saying much
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
We absolutely need to keep Jackson. He lets us have a solid LB corp and move on to other needs in the draft. If he goes thats just one more thing the browns will have to worry about.
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I don't really believe that Maiava was ever meant to start beyond special teams. That said, I think that a "BIG SPLASH" is still to come. I smell a trade.
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oh, lets get rid of the guy that has led our team in tackles for 3 straight years, (not including last year). Some Browns fans just dont get it, I've heard too many assnine statement lately.
Maiava?... are you serious?...
Thats a Gigantic drop-off
Andra Davis led us in tackles every year to, thats not saying much
nmills said:
Andra Davis led us in tackles every year to, thats not saying much*Buzzer Sound*
wrong
he only did it twice in the 7 years he was here
dont go making up lies, your only digging a deeper hole then your already in
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its not lke our defensive production suffered without jackson.....we actually got better....
lets not over-value him....bowens played better outta place.
another second would be a blessing.
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its not lke our defensive production suffered without jackson.....we actually got better....
lets not over-value him....bowens played better outta place.
another second would be a blessing.
its not lke our defensive production suffered without jackson.....we actually got better....
lets not over-value him....bowens played better outta place.
another second would be a blessing.[/quote]
we were giving up 126 rushing YPG with DJ
without him.............163
all another 2nd does is put an unproven unknown player on the team its not a blessing
sounds like you under-value him and show your clueless
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its not lke our defensive production suffered without jackson.....we actually got better....
lets not over-value him....bowens played better outta place.
another second would be a blessing.
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nmills said:
Andra Davis led us in tackles every year to, thats not saying much*Buzzer Sound*
wrong
he only did it twice in the 7 years he was here
dont go making up lies, your only digging a deeper hole then your already in
*Buzzer Sound*
wrong
he only did it twice in the 7 years he was here
dont go making up lies, your only digging a deeper hole then your already in
thats not the point, the point is your ILB is usually the one leading the team in tackles. Just because you rack up alot of tackles doesn't mean your irreplaceable
Maiva had 45 tackles and 2.5 sacks in 3 games started last year
Jackson had 59 tackles with 0 sacks in 6 games started
Maiva was a rookie he'll get better, plus you have Barton, Fujita, Trusnik, Bowens that can all play inside and we dont no what we have in Veikune.
Im just saying I think its a trade off worth taking. No hole digging JMO you dont have to agree if everybody ageed this place would be pretty boring
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*Buzzer Sound*
wrong
he only did it twice in the 7 years he was here
dont go making up lies, your only digging a deeper hole then your already in
thats not the point, the point is your ILB is usually the one leading the team in tackles. Just because you rack up alot of tackles doesn't mean your irreplaceable
Maiva had 45 tackles and 2.5 sacks in 3 games started last year
Jackson had 59 tackles with 0 sacks in 6 games started
Maiva was a rookie he'll get better, plus you have Barton, Fujita, Trusnik, Bowens that can all play inside and we dont no what we have in Veikune.
Im just saying I think its a trade off worth taking. No hole digging JMO you dont have to agree if everybody ageed this place would be pretty boring
nmills said:
thats not the point, the point is your ILB is usually the one leading the team in tackles. Just because you rack up alot of tackles doesn't mean your irreplaceableMaiva had 45 tackles and 2.5 sacks in 16 games played last year
Jackson had 59 tackles with 0 sacks in 6 games played
Maiva was a rookie he'll get better, plus you have Barton, Fujita, Trusnik, Bowens that can all play inside and we dont no what we have in Veikune.
Im just saying I think its a trade off worth taking. No hole digging JMO you dont have to agree if everybody ageed this place would be pretty boring
yes it was your point or you wouldnt have posted it
there ya go, i had to fix your scewed stats since you appearentley felt the need to just post statst to make miava look better
keep digging that hole deeper and deeper
dig dig dig
can you just make 1 good post?
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nmills said:
thats not the point, the point is your ILB is usually the one leading the team in tackles. Just because you rack up alot of tackles doesn't mean your irreplaceableMaiva had 45 tackles and 2.5 sacks in 16 games played last year
Jackson had 59 tackles with 0 sacks in 6 games played
Maiva was a rookie he'll get better, plus you have Barton, Fujita, Trusnik, Bowens that can all play inside and we dont no what we have in Veikune.
Im just saying I think its a trade off worth taking. No hole digging JMO you dont have to agree if everybody ageed this place would be pretty boring
yes it was your point or you wouldnt have posted it
there ya go, i had to fix your scewed stats since you appearentley felt the need to just post statst to make miava look better
keep digging that hole deeper and deeper
dig dig dig
can you just make 1 good post?
there ya go, i had to fix your scewed stats since you appearentley felt the need to just post statst to make miava look better
keep digging that hole deeper and deeper
I made it games started because he's a rookie, he barely played until Jackson and Barton went down. Since your such a stat freak look up plays played. Its probably pretty close and we'll have a better understanding
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its not lke our defensive production suffered without jackson.....we actually got better....
lets not over-value him....bowens played better outta place.
another second would be a blessing.[/quote]
we were giving up 126 rushing YPG with DJ
without him.............163
all another 2nd does is put an unproven unknown player on the team its not a blessing
sounds like you under-value him and show your clueless
sounds like you under-value him and show your clueless
so, where else do players come from other than the draft?
even more ironic, why not look up which round DQ was drafted in.....ya know, one of those unknown unproven guys that wasn't a household name in college.
you kill me....lol.
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oh, lets get rid of the guy that has led our team in tackles for 3 straight years, (not including last year). Some Browns fans just dont get it, I've heard too many assnine statement lately.
Maiava?... are you serious?...
Thats a Gigantic drop-off
Andra Davis led us in tackles every year to, thats not saying much
nmills said:
Andra Davis led us in tackles every year to, thats not saying muchHe was solid to say the least, He dropped off so we got rid of him. He had a pretty good season with denver last year. Hes had a great career for a 5th rounder.
By the Way: Jackson is much more talented than Davis. big difference
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there ya go, i had to fix your scewed stats since you appearentley felt the need to just post statst to make miava look better
keep digging that hole deeper and deeper
I made it games started because he's a rookie, he barely played until Jackson and Barton went down. Since your such a stat freak look up plays played. Its probably pretty close and we'll have a better understanding
nmills said:
I made it games started because he's a rookie, he barely played until Jackson and Barton went down. Since your such a stat freak look up plays played. Its probably pretty close and we'll have a better understanding100% wrong
and
Miava has almost 300 more plays played then Jackson
can you still make 1 valid point or a good post? i havent seen it yet
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