Art Modell

Browns57

@calfoxwc said:
This is the stupidest, most asinine thread ever started on this forum.
Unless it was before, and also about this same old, corrupt, dirty, filthy rotten lying scumbag. @@

And that was one of the STUPIDEST comments that you have ever made on this board. And you usually have something intelligent to say. I guess you are letting your hatred get in the way of your thought process.

And if you don't like it why wouldn't you just move on to the next topic?

The Gipper

@browns57 said:
I knew you would all have something to say about him. I guess that I look at things differently. Hate really has no place in my life because it takes away from what I can accomplish in the present, but do I dislike the fact that he moved the team? Absolutely! Do I understand that he made a huge pile of money to do it? Absolutely! Football is a game that we all love but it is a business and a big one. And all business owners protect and grow their financial interests. In the end cash is king right? I also do not overlook the contributions that he made to the game. MNF, the continuation of the Browns Steelers rivalry that we love so much...Bringing us so much joy with our near misses in the late 80's.
I am glad he is no longer our owner though and that (because of our dedication to our team) we will be thriving for years to come. The setback was great but the future for our team is very bright indeed! I for one want to keep focusing on that.

You want to focus on the future? Then why the F**k did you bring his name up? You began this thread.

calfoxwc

And that was one of the STUPIDEST comments that you have ever made on this board. And you usually have something intelligent to say. I guess you are letting your hatred get in the way of your thought process.

And if you don't like it why wouldn't you just move on to the next topic?

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No offense meant to you, but my hatred? That stupid, sleazy, megalomaniac somebeech isn't worth hating.

But, I simply figure he's filth, and dirty, mean, terrible, wicked, bad and nasty, and justly is railed against as such.

I did go to the next topic. @@

ballpeen

@browns57 said:
I enjoyed the article and appreciate the good things that Art has done for the game. Plus I figured that everyone here would have their two cents to add in about Modell. My thoughts....It hurt losing our team, but I understand the business aspects that made it happen. But all of us diehard fans made it possible to get our team back in Cleveland. Thank you all for that.

I agree. I hold nothing against Art at this point. What's done is done so no sense holding a grudge.

I wish the guy good health and hope he gets his HOF appointment soon.....he deserves the HOF as one of the strong contributors to the modern game.

slowburn

Nope, you are not going to get many decent discussions full of insight and respect when it comes to the topic of this thread. This person ripped the heart and soul out of so many Brown's backers it should be

criminal. The mere mention of his name is repulsive. I am surprised he has lived this long. Then again, when one posseses no sense of morality, no fundamental understanding of what is right and

wrong. their existance isn't phased by their selfish miscalculations. I'll piss on his grave

roach

Mayor White is the villain in this story. Art was a business man, White was a politician. White said 'i can push you around all i want.' Art said 'Well, we'll just see about that.'

Anyone that thinks Art wanted to leave Cleveland is a total and complete idiot.

rich4eagle

@roach said:
Mayor White is the villain in this story. Art was a business man, White was a politician. White said 'i can push you around all i want.' Art said 'Well, we'll just see about that.'
Anyone that thinks Art wanted to leave Cleveland is a total and complete idiot.

great thread 57 and great comment Ed and Ballpeen. I hated Art so much at first for what happened.............it took me 12 years to get over the pain. The whole thing is a sad Story. Art did amazing things for the NFL he brokered the leagues merging, he lead the charge to join the AFC only if the Steelers came with him. He lead the charge for a national TV program instead of individual teams doing their thing. And he gave his whole heart in running the Browns when he did. He was immersed in his Browns

Then the money thing took over

So as much as I hated him so much for doing what he did, I have forgiven him and indeed he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame

Thanks 57 for posting and thanks those who have erased the scars for what happened and see Art for what he did positive

including winning us our last championship

medicineman

@browns57 said:
And that was one of the STUPIDEST comments that you have ever made on this board. And you usually have something intelligent to say. I guess you are letting your hatred get in the way of your thought process.
And if you don't like it why wouldn't you just move on to the next topic?

Whatever man. Fuk Art. I hope is dies a slow painful death and all the money can't prevent that. I hate him

medicineman

@roach said:
Mayor White is the villain in this story. Art was a business man, White was a politician. White said 'i can push you around all i want.' Art said 'Well, we'll just see about that.'
Anyone that thinks Art wanted to leave Cleveland is a total and complete idiot.

So what. He still left. It is what it is. I HATE HIM

hoorta

@ballpeen said:
I agree. I hold nothing against Art at this point. What's done is done so no sense holding a grudge.
I wish the guy good health and hope he gets his HOF appointment soon.....he deserves the HOF as one of the strong contributors to the modern game.

Difference between holding a grudge, and justice. I'm with Gips on this one. Modell was in the process of getting what he wanted a renovated stadium. For those with a short attention span he was offered to get in on the Gateway deal- he declined. He held the Indians hostage for years, got all the revenue and parking had the first "luxury" boxes in the NFL, yet the guy got himself so totally overleveraged, it wasn't enough.

The Divine Justice part of it all is Artie moved (instead of selling out to Al Lerner and having the team remain in Cleveland as he should have) because he wanted to pass the franchise on to Little Davy. Well, turns out even a $50 million dollar bribe and a sickeningly sweet revenue stream from Baltimore and the State of Maryland wasn't enough to keep the booger afloat. So in the long run, Schmodell not only lost what he was trying to preserve, but he lost an immense amount of respect on the national level.

Now regarding the HOF. May he never get in. I'm of the opinion short of a few legendary owners (George Halas) owners don't belong. PERIOD. I'll puke the day Jerry Jones gets nominated. Modell is far from "legendary" unless you want to consider moving one of the most storied teams in the NFL out of town worthy of legend. One could argue since Al Davis is inducted the bar is set pretty low. But there is a morality angle. Unfortunately, you can't disinduct someone, but you think OJ would have gotten in if the Nicole thing had come up before he was eligible? And let's consider the PR angle. I can guarantee you this- with Canton being a mere hour drive from Cleveland, a potential Modell HOF induction would be ugly- REAL ugly. Check your rotten tomatoes at the gate, but if you thought those annoying vuvueletas at the World Cup were annoying, you haven't yet begun to imagine how loud the "Go to Hell, Modell" chants would be. They'd have to keep his bust behind 12" bulletproof glass like the Hope Diamond, and that still wouldn't stop a few folks from smearing boogers on the glass, or more foul stuff. (Use Your imagination DAWG Pounders)

SJ_Browns

@hoorta said:
Difference between holding a grudge, and justice. I'm with Gips on this one. Modell was in the process of getting what he wanted a renovated stadium. For those with a short attention span he was offered to get in on the Gateway deal- he declined. He held the Indians hostage for years, got all the revenue and parking had the first "luxury" boxes in the NFL, yet the guy got himself so totally overleveraged, it wasn't enough.
The Divine Justice part of it all is Artie moved (instead of selling out to Al Lerner and having the team remain in Cleveland as he should have) because he wanted to pass the franchise on to Little Davy. Well, turns out even a $50 million dollar bribe and a sickeningly sweet revenue stream from Baltimore and the State of Maryland wasn't enough to keep the booger afloat. So in the long run, Schmodell not only lost what he was trying to preserve, but he lost an immense amount of respect on the national level.

Now regarding the HOF. May he never get in. I'm of the opinion short of a few legendary owners (George Halas) owners don't belong. PERIOD. I'll puke the day Jerry Jones gets nominated. Modell is far from "legendary" unless you want to consider moving one of the most storied teams in the NFL out of town worthy of legend. One could argue since Al Davis is inducted the bar is set pretty low. But there is a morality angle. Unfortunately, you can't disinduct someone, but you think OJ would have gotten in if the Nicole thing had come up before he was eligible? And let's consider the PR angle. I can guarantee you this- with Canton being a mere hour drive from Cleveland, a potential Modell HOF induction would be ugly- REAL ugly. Check your rotten tomatoes at the gate, but if you thought those annoying vuvueletas at the World Cup were annoying, you haven't yet begun to imagine how loud the "Go to Hell, Modell" chants would be. They'd have to keep his bust behind 12" bulletproof glass like the Hope Diamond, and that still wouldn't stop a few folks from smearing boogers on the glass, or more foul stuff. (Use Your imagination DAWG Pounders)

damn good post, hoorta.

SJ_Browns

i don't hate modell, but i do hate what he did. hoorta and the gipper both did a great job of explaining what modell did, so i don't need to get into that again. but i think most browns fans don't want him to get into the hof because of his scumbag ways. that has nothing to do with having a grudge and it has everything to do with the facts of the matter.

for those fans who say they've forgiven modell for what he did, how can you forgive him when: 1. he never asked to be forgiven. 2. he hasn't admitted he did anything wrong because he doesn't think he did anything wrong?????? that doesn't make any sense to me.

SJ_Browns

and art modell was a fool for firing paul brown!

ballpeen

@hoorta said:
I can guarantee you this- with Canton being a mere hour drive from Cleveland, a potential Modell HOF induction would be ugly- REAL ugly. Check your rotten tomatoes at the gate, but if you thought those annoying vuvueletas at the World Cup were annoying, you haven't yet begun to imagine how loud the "Go to Hell, Modell" chants would be. They'd have to keep his bust behind 12" bulletproof glass like the Hope Diamond, and that still wouldn't stop a few folks from smearing boogers on the glass, or more foul stuff. (Use Your imagination DAWG Pounders)

It would be my hope that my hometown folks would be able to show more class than that.

Really, does anyone teach their kids to do stuff like that??

BrownIndian

All said and done. Cleveland has a new Browns team and while we may not be what we once were, we are being guided by some one who can take us there. So how about we focus on what we have.

calfoxwc

The pitiful excuse for a human being, I think he's the alien in "ALIEN"......

was a loser businessman who ruined the Browns in many ways, because of his

sick egotistical ways.

He always wanted to be THE BIG SHOT. That is why he fired Paul Brown.

That is why he kept hiring and firing head coaches, he wanted ALL the attention.

In short, I won't be unhappy if he gets on a dinghy and floats toward Somalia and gets

taken by pirates and put into a dungeon for the rest of his years in lieu of a $100 ransom that nobody will pay.

He is lower than the slime on the belly of a snail on the bottom of the ocean.

the sleazeball circus barker may very well go to Hell, and not the HOF, which he most certainly does not deserve.

If I thought there was any chance he'd get in the HOF, I'd supply some rotten tomatoes ... @@ GGG

nobuo

@Browns57:

Having been born in Cleveland and having spent a few years living there for College, I can tell you one thing: Cleveland is Football.

So when you talk about Art Modell, even the average Browns fan gets a bad taste in their mouth. There's nothing good there for most folks and you certainly can't post a thread painting one of the city's most infamous villians in a positive light on this Browns forum, of all places, and expect people not to respond angrily or in a heated manner.

Cleveland takes sports personally, so when something like this happens, it wasn't just that the Browns were gone and that Cleveland didn't have a team. It was the fact that the fans were personally insulted, like someone had seduced their wives or sisters, and then laughed in their faces like it was no big deal. It might have even been worse than that, I don't know. I was just a kid when that all happened, but to the direhard fans, seeing the Ravens in the same division, and seeing them win the Superbowl in 2000, just adds even more insult to injury.

That was supposed to be OUR team. Ray Lewis was drafted in 1996. Jonathan Ogden was drafted in 1996. Two HoFers Cleveland was screwed out of. So instead Cleveland lost 5 years of football, and we've had to endure another 10 years of a pile of crap, which hopefully Holmgren and Mangini can turn around finally.

He's obviously done a lot of great things for the NFL, but what's he's done to Cleveland carries more weight than those things. I just can't see them being willing to endure the protests and vandalism that will occur if they try to induct him into Canton over the next 20 or 30 years.

The Gipper

@roach said:
Mayor White is the villain in this story. Art was a business man, White was a politician. White said 'i can push you around all i want.' Art said 'Well, we'll just see about that.'
Anyone that thinks Art wanted to leave Cleveland is a total and complete idiot.

Bull, bull, bull.

White did what a prudent politician should have done: look out for the best interest of the city. He looked out for the city's priorities. And he made absolutely no promises that he broke.

Being totally objective, it was more important for Cleveland to have the 81 dates the Indians had on their schedule, and the 300 dates the Arena had on its schedule for the vitality and economic benefit of the city over the 10 dates the Browns have on their schedule. That is just a pure economic fact. White knew it. Art knew it. Art even accepted it. He wanted taken care of eventually, yes. And all that was in the works. After all, that was what the extension of the sin tax, voted on 1 day after Modell's announcement was all about.

Not only that, the entire Gateway project, and the football renovation project and the funding for both was far more a Cuyahoga County matter than a City of Cleveland matter. If you believe that politicians were to blame ( and I don't) then the primary culprits that you should have been angry at were the Commissioners who ran Gateway etc., not White.

The Gipper

@hoorta said:
Difference between holding a grudge, and justice. I'm with Gips on this one. Modell was in the process of getting what he wanted a renovated stadium. For those with a short attention span he was offered to get in on the Gateway deal- he declined. He held the Indians hostage for years, got all the revenue and parking had the first "luxury" boxes in the NFL, yet the guy got himself so totally overleveraged, it wasn't enough.
The Divine Justice part of it all is Artie moved (instead of selling out to Al Lerner and having the team remain in Cleveland as he should have) because he wanted to pass the franchise on to Little Davy. Well, turns out even a $50 million dollar bribe and a sickeningly sweet revenue stream from Baltimore and the State of Maryland wasn't enough to keep the booger afloat. So in the long run, Schmodell not only lost what he was trying to preserve, but he lost an immense amount of respect on the national level.

Now regarding the HOF. May he never get in. I'm of the opinion short of a few legendary owners (George Halas) owners don't belong. PERIOD. I'll puke the day Jerry Jones gets nominated. Modell is far from "legendary" unless you want to consider moving one of the most storied teams in the NFL out of town worthy of legend. One could argue since Al Davis is inducted the bar is set pretty low. But there is a morality angle. Unfortunately, you can't disinduct someone, but you think OJ would have gotten in if the Nicole thing had come up before he was eligible? And let's consider the PR angle. I can guarantee you this- with Canton being a mere hour drive from Cleveland, a potential Modell HOF induction would be ugly- REAL ugly. Check your rotten tomatoes at the gate, but if you thought those annoying vuvueletas at the World Cup were annoying, you haven't yet begun to imagine how loud the "Go to Hell, Modell" chants would be. They'd have to keep his bust behind 12" bulletproof glass like the Hope Diamond, and that still wouldn't stop a few folks from smearing boogers on the glass, or more foul stuff. (Use Your imagination DAWG Pounders)

It was 75 million, but, whose counting. I agree about the owners though. Ralph Wilson is in. Lamar Hunt too, but that was more for their part in creating the NFL. Halas is in more as a coach than an owner. Davis is in more as a coach/GM/ than as an owner. (He wasn't even majority owner of the Raiders until after he was inducted into the HOF). You won't see Bud Adams get in, or Georgia Frontiere, or Bill Bidwill, or Robert Irsay. Modell belongs in with that bunch, not wit the Halas's or Maras.

Mr. T

Art Modell panicked after loosing 30 million in a foreign film the previous summer and the Mayor White screwed him over after deciding to get the Cavs in the downtown area instead of renovating the stadium.

If some remember, Jacobs field could of been extended for football as well, and the design was much better than old Muni.