Prospects to Watch
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I guess I would classify "bust" as a guy who doesn't come close to justifying his draft position with his play.
As much as I hate OSU, their track-record for 1st round picks panning out seems much better to me than PSU.
2008 1 6 6 Vernon Gholston Jets DE
2007 1 9 9 Ted Ginn Jr. Dolphins WR, 1 32 32 Anthony Gonzalez Colts WR
2006 1 5 5 A.J. Hawk Packers LB, 1 8 8 Donte Whitner Bills DB, 1 18 18 Bobby Carpenter Cowboys LB, 1 25 25 Santonio Holmes Steelers WR, 1 29 29 Nick Mangold Jets C
2004 1 18 18 Will Smith Saints DE, 1 28 28 Chris Gamble Panthers DB, 1 29 29 Michael Jenkins Falcons WR
2003 2 26 58 Mike Doss Colts DB
2002 2 12 44 LeCharles Bentley Saints C
2001 1 21 21 Nate Clements Bills DB, 1 29 29 Ryan Pickett Rams DE
2000 1 24 24 Ahmed Plummer 49ers DB
1999 1 8 8 David Boston Cardinals WR, 1 23 23 Antoine Winfield Bills DB, 1 28 28 Andy Katzenmoyer Patriots LB, 2 18 49 Joe Montgomery Giants RB
1997 1 1 1 Orlando Pace Rams T, 1 3 3 Shawn Springs Seahawks DB, 2 3 33 Rob Kelly Saints DB
1996 1 7 7 Terry Glenn Patriots WR, 1 9 9 Rickey Dudley Raiders TE, 1 14 14 Eddie George
1995 1 8 8 Joey Galloway Seahawks WR, 1 24 24 Korey Stringer Vikings T, 1 30 30 Craig Powell Browns LB
Sure, there are busts in here (Doss, Plummer, Dudley, Powell, class of 1999...wow), but this looks MUCH better to me.
I didn't classify Collins as a bust. He just happened to be in that Carter/Brady draft class. Arrington was an injury casualty. So not a true bust, per se (I'd classify him the same I would LeCharles Bentley).
But pretty much everything else at PSU, save for Poz and maybe Levi Brown, was a washout, especially when taking draft position into consideration.
BOTTOM LINE: I'm hoping we avoid this Maybin guy like the plague.
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Shit, you're better off investing in Syracuse guys...
2007 4 106 Tanard Jackson CB Buccaneers
2006 3 83 Anthony Smith S Steelers
2005 2 64 Adam Terry OT Ravens
2002 1 11 Dwight Freeney DE Colts
2001 1 22 Will Allen DB Giants
2000 1 30 Keith Bulluck LB Titans
1999 1 2 Donovan McNabb QB Eagles
1999 2 32 Kevin Johnson WR Browns
1999 2 43 Rob Konrad RB Dolphins
1998 1 22 Tebucky Jones DB Patriots
1998 1 25 Donovin Darius DB Jaguars
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notes from watching oregon:
two players really stood out to me: patrick chung and t.j. ward, both of oregon's safeties. they're both smaller guys, 5'11", and chung's got 20 pounds on ward, 210 to 190, but both are absolutely huge hitters. they flat-out demolish people. the guys they hit bounce off the turf. it's fantastic to watch. they also support the run well and come up to level RBs before they can get through the secondary. most of the time, they were there within six yards of the LOS.
chung had a pass interference penalty called on him when he had to defend a slot WR running a wheel route. it wasn't the most egregious penalty ever and wasn't nearly as bad as william moore looked in coverage against northwestern. chung's gonna be a solid guy. definitely the second-best in the draft after mays.
t.j. ward is only a redshirt junior, so he may or may not be coming out this year. based on his low weight, i think he'll stay another year if he wants to be a serious candidate for the NFL.
i didn't specifically watch unger, but the ducks ran all over oklahoma state. their QB and one RB went over 100 yards and another guy had 70+, so i'd say unger blocks pretty well.
jeremiah johnson, their RB, backed up jonathan stewart last year, and is a decent RB. he's solid, not spectacular. he doesn't really make people miss all that much or run them over, but he's a jack of all trades and does everything well. good hands, good vision.
two oregon offensive players looked good: lagarrette blount, a junior RB, and jeremiah masoli, their sophomore QB. blount is a big guy (6'2", 238) and runs with power, dragging people and bowling them over on his way to the end zone. brandon jacobs.
masoli won't cut it in the NFL, which is a shame. he's only 5'11", which means he's a slot receiver if he can learn the position. however, he runs with power. he destroyed a oklahoma state DB. completely knocked him on his ass on his way to the end zone. has great vision, too.
one last guy whose name i heard called quite a few times was junior defensive end will tukuafu, who goes 6'4", 278. he had at least one sack and stopped another run behind the LOS. definitely worth a look as a 3-4 DE. he has the size and has produced on the field.
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notes from watching oregon:
two players really stood out to me: patrick chung and t.j. ward, both of oregon's safeties. they're both smaller guys, 5'11", and chung's got 20 pounds on ward, 210 to 190, but both are absolutely huge hitters. they flat-out demolish people. the guys they hit bounce off the turf. it's fantastic to watch. they also support the run well and come up to level RBs before they can get through the secondary. most of the time, they were there within six yards of the LOS.
chung had a pass interference penalty called on him when he had to defend a slot WR running a wheel route. it wasn't the most egregious penalty ever and wasn't nearly as bad as william moore looked in coverage against northwestern. chung's gonna be a solid guy. definitely the second-best in the draft after mays.
t.j. ward is only a redshirt junior, so he may or may not be coming out this year. based on his low weight, i think he'll stay another year if he wants to be a serious candidate for the NFL.
i didn't specifically watch unger, but the ducks ran all over oklahoma state. their QB and one RB went over 100 yards and another guy had 70+, so i'd say unger blocks pretty well.
jeremiah johnson, their RB, backed up jonathan stewart last year, and is a decent RB. he's solid, not spectacular. he doesn't really make people miss all that much or run them over, but he's a jack of all trades and does everything well. good hands, good vision.
two oregon offensive players looked good: lagarrette blount, a junior RB, and jeremiah masoli, their sophomore QB. blount is a big guy (6'2", 238) and runs with power, dragging people and bowling them over on his way to the end zone. brandon jacobs.
masoli won't cut it in the NFL, which is a shame. he's only 5'11", which means he's a slot receiver if he can learn the position. however, he runs with power. he destroyed a oklahoma state DB. completely knocked him on his ass on his way to the end zone. has great vision, too.
one last guy whose name i heard called quite a few times was junior defensive end will tukuafu, who goes 6'4", 278. he had at least one sack and stopped another run behind the LOS. definitely worth a look as a 3-4 DE. he has the size and has produced on the field.
notes from watching oregon:
two players really stood out to me: patrick chung and t.j. ward, both of oregon's safeties. they're both smaller guys, 5'11", and chung's got 20 pounds on ward, 210 to 190, but both are absolutely huge hitters. they flat-out demolish people. the guys they hit bounce off the turf. it's fantastic to watch. they also support the run well and come up to level RBs before they can get through the secondary. most of the time, they were there within six yards of the LOS.
chung had a pass interference penalty called on him when he had to defend a slot WR running a wheel route. it wasn't the most egregious penalty ever and wasn't nearly as bad as william moore looked in coverage against northwestern. chung's gonna be a solid guy. definitely the second-best in the draft after mays.
Yeah, I have been talking about Chung for a while now. He strikes me as a Troy Palamalu type guy. In the first half he tackled the 260 lb TE and flattened the guy...and Chung didn't even go down. He gave up 60 lbs and won easily. He seemed to have decent speed as well.
I would love a combo of Curry and Chung for rounds 1 and 2...and then get whatever we can for DA and Winslow to snag a RB and DE.
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notes from watching oregon:
two players really stood out to me: patrick chung and t.j. ward, both of oregon's safeties. they're both smaller guys, 5'11", and chung's got 20 pounds on ward, 210 to 190, but both are absolutely huge hitters. they flat-out demolish people. the guys they hit bounce off the turf. it's fantastic to watch. they also support the run well and come up to level RBs before they can get through the secondary. most of the time, they were there within six yards of the LOS.
chung had a pass interference penalty called on him when he had to defend a slot WR running a wheel route. it wasn't the most egregious penalty ever and wasn't nearly as bad as william moore looked in coverage against northwestern. chung's gonna be a solid guy. definitely the second-best in the draft after mays.
t.j. ward is only a redshirt junior, so he may or may not be coming out this year. based on his low weight, i think he'll stay another year if he wants to be a serious candidate for the NFL.
i didn't specifically watch unger, but the ducks ran all over oklahoma state. their QB and one RB went over 100 yards and another guy had 70+, so i'd say unger blocks pretty well.
jeremiah johnson, their RB, backed up jonathan stewart last year, and is a decent RB. he's solid, not spectacular. he doesn't really make people miss all that much or run them over, but he's a jack of all trades and does everything well. good hands, good vision.
two oregon offensive players looked good: lagarrette blount, a junior RB, and jeremiah masoli, their sophomore QB. blount is a big guy (6'2", 238) and runs with power, dragging people and bowling them over on his way to the end zone. brandon jacobs.
masoli won't cut it in the NFL, which is a shame. he's only 5'11", which means he's a slot receiver if he can learn the position. however, he runs with power. he destroyed a oklahoma state DB. completely knocked him on his ass on his way to the end zone. has great vision, too.
one last guy whose name i heard called quite a few times was junior defensive end will tukuafu, who goes 6'4", 278. he had at least one sack and stopped another run behind the LOS. definitely worth a look as a 3-4 DE. he has the size and has produced on the field.
notes from watching oregon:
two players really stood out to me: patrick chung and t.j. ward, both of oregon's safeties. they're both smaller guys, 5'11", and chung's got 20 pounds on ward, 210 to 190, but both are absolutely huge hitters. they flat-out demolish people. the guys they hit bounce off the turf. it's fantastic to watch. they also support the run well and come up to level RBs before they can get through the secondary. most of the time, they were there within six yards of the LOS.
chung had a pass interference penalty called on him when he had to defend a slot WR running a wheel route. it wasn't the most egregious penalty ever and wasn't nearly as bad as william moore looked in coverage against northwestern. chung's gonna be a solid guy. definitely the second-best in the draft after mays.
t.j. ward is only a redshirt junior, so he may or may not be coming out this year. based on his low weight, i think he'll stay another year if he wants to be a serious candidate for the NFL.
i didn't specifically watch unger, but the ducks ran all over oklahoma state. their QB and one RB went over 100 yards and another guy had 70+, so i'd say unger blocks pretty well.
jeremiah johnson, their RB, backed up jonathan stewart last year, and is a decent RB. he's solid, not spectacular. he doesn't really make people miss all that much or run them over, but he's a jack of all trades and does everything well. good hands, good vision.
two oregon offensive players looked good: lagarrette blount, a junior RB, and jeremiah masoli, their sophomore QB. blount is a big guy (6'2", 238) and runs with power, dragging people and bowling them over on his way to the end zone. brandon jacobs.
jeremiah johnson won't cut it in the NFL, which is a shame. he's only 5'11", which means he's a slot receiver if he can learn the position. however, he runs with power. he destroyed a oklahoma state DB. completely knocked him on his ass on his way to the end zone. has great vision, too.
one last guy whose name i heard called quite a few times was junior defensive end will tukuafu, who goes 6'4", 278. he had at least one sack and stopped another run behind the LOS. definitely worth a look as a 3-4 DE. he has the size and has produced on the field.
Jeremiah johnson was considered the better back when Stewart was still at Oregon so that is saying something about him. He will be a great pro in a 2 back system.
Masoli is only a sophomore so he has plenty of time.
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Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to watch the Oregon game. Thanks for the putting together a writeup on what you noticed, JD. It's good to hear that Chung looked solid in the game.
Blount's going to be a stud in the NFL. Ever since someone sent me this clip earlier this year, I've been hoping that he'd declare for this year's draft.
I'm guessing he returns to Oregon for another year & ends up being a 2010 1st Round pick.
Hadn't heard of DE Will Tukuafu before you mentioned him, but he sounds like an interesting prospect. He's only a junior, so we'll have to keep an eye on him next season.
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Tony Pauline put together a great list of prospects to watch in tomorrow's game.
I can't do better than that, so I'll just recommend you guys check out his Prospects to Watch list.
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Ready for Rey tonight anyone?
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Ready for Rey tonight anyone?
Ready for Rey tonight anyone?
I am not sold on Rey, but I am interested in watching more of him tonight.
Anyone watching the Mich St/Georgia game? Great defensive battle. Ringer has looked okay, Moreno has looked better...no surprise there. Hoyer (Cleveland kid) has played a smart football game so far. Hope Mich. St. can pull it out. It would be a huge upset.
Mich St. now leads 6 - 3.
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Also declaring: South Carolina DE-OLB Eric Norwood:
He'll be a interesting guy to consider taking in the Round 2/3 range.
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Ready for Rey tonight anyone?
I am not sold on Rey, but I am interested in watching more of him tonight.
Anyone watching the Mich St/Georgia game? Great defensive battle. Ringer has looked okay, Moreno has looked better...no surprise there. Hoyer (Cleveland kid) has played a smart football game so far. Hope Mich. St. can pull it out. It would be a huge upset.
Mich St. now leads 6 - 3.
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Orion Martin #90 from VT looks good he has a nose for the ball and plays smart, looks to have good speed and agility and might be one of those tweeners that could play in the 3-4
possibly middle to late round guy we will have to wait and see what the combine produces.
for video follow the this link but you will need to add the busted screen play against CIN. that he intercepted!
http://virginiatech.rivals.com/cviewplayer...er=51266#videos
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i have to mention taylor mays in this thread. after the way he showed up against penn state, he's got to be on our radar.
when picking in the top 10, you've got to be on the lookout for a special player if he presents himself. mays is that guy. i was fulll-on curry because i hadn't seen mays play in a while. i'm torn now. curry will be solid. mays can be spectacular and should be good at the worst.
he hits so hard that you can feel it through the television and is fast enough to make almost any play.
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That interception was pretty sweet, T.
DraftDaddy posted a little blurb a few weeks ago about Martin's measurables:
In-depth look at Virginia Tech senior defensive end Orion Martin who runs a 4.52/40 and possesses a 39" vertical leap at 255 pounds.
DD.comment: By the way, the 4.52 forty-yard dash time is what the News Advance is reporting. According to our sources, N.F.L. scouts have Martin's time listed in the low-to-mid 4.7's, which is still very impressive for a 255 pound athlete, but not as eye-popping as the number reported in the link above.
From what I saw tonight, I'm not entirely sure he's athletic enough to play with his hand up. We'll probably learn more when he's put through LB drills at the Combine.
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i have to mention taylor mays in this thread. after the way he showed up against penn state, he's got to be on our radar.
when picking in the top 10, you've got to be on the lookout for a special player if he presents himself. mays is that guy. i was fulll-on curry because i hadn't seen mays play in a while. i'm torn now. curry will be solid. mays can be spectacular and should be good at the worst.
he hits so hard that you can feel it through the television and is fast enough to make almost any play.
when picking in the top 10, you've got to be on the lookout for a special player if he presents himself. mays is that guy. i was fulll-on curry because i hadn't seen mays play in a while. i'm torn now. curry will be solid. mays can be spectacular and should be good at the worst.
Not sure I'm convinced that there's a solid/spectacular distinction there.
I'm not usually a big fan of player comparisons, but they may help us here. If Curry ends up being a Patrick Willis-type player (as Todd McShay predicts), would that qualify as spectacular? And if he's a Jerod Mayo type (what I think is his floor), what would that qualify as being?
You don't have to convince me that Mays has the potential to be an elite, spectacular safety; I'm with you on that. But what if the concern we have about him turns out to be real: that he's a hard hitter, but he's not a guy who'll make plays on the ball and get a lot of picks. Is there a safety in the league who does that, and what adjective would we use to describe his play?
Anyway, I'm just happy to have it boil down to a Curry-Mays debate. Either way, we'll be getting a guy who'll immediate improve both our run and pass defense.
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when picking in the top 10, you've got to be on the lookout for a special player if he presents himself. mays is that guy. i was fulll-on curry because i hadn't seen mays play in a while. i'm torn now. curry will be solid. mays can be spectacular and should be good at the worst.
Not sure I'm convinced that there's a solid/spectacular distinction there.
I'm not usually a big fan of player comparisons, but they may help us here. If Curry ends up being a Patrick Willis-type player (as Todd McShay predicts), would that qualify as spectacular? And if he's a Jerod Mayo type (what I think is his floor), what would that qualify as being?
You don't have to convince me that Mays has the potential to be an elite, spectacular safety; I'm with you on that. But what if the concern we have about him turns out to be real: that he's a hard hitter, but he's not a guy who'll make plays on the ball and get a lot of picks. Is there a safety in the league who does that, and what adjective would we use to describe his play?
Anyway, I'm just happy to have it boil down to a Curry-Mays debate. Either way, we'll be getting a guy who'll immediate improve both our run and pass defense.
Aloysius said:
But what if the concern we have about him turns out to be real: that he's a hard hitter, but he's not a guy who'll make plays on the ball and get a lot of picks. Is there a safety in the league who does that, and what adjective would we use to describe his play?Anyway, I'm just happy to have it boil down to a Curry-Mays debate. Either way, we'll be getting a guy who'll immediate improve both our run and pass defense.
Bob Sanders has 5 career INTs, but that guy, when on the field, changes games for Indy. Both in the run and the pass.
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Aloysius said:
But what if the concern we have about him turns out to be real: that he's a hard hitter, but he's not a guy who'll make plays on the ball and get a lot of picks. Is there a safety in the league who does that, and what adjective would we use to describe his play?Anyway, I'm just happy to have it boil down to a Curry-Mays debate. Either way, we'll be getting a guy who'll immediate improve both our run and pass defense.
Bob Sanders has 5 career INTs, but that guy, when on the field, changes games for Indy. Both in the run and the pass.
Masters said:
Bob Sanders has 5 career INTs, but that guy, when on the field, changes games for Indy. Both in the run and the pass.That's perfect: Mays could end up being a linebacker-sized Bob Sanders. Their college INT stats are actually quite similar.
Bob Sanders
- Freshman: 0 picks, 1 PD (only started four games)
- Sophomore: 4 picks, 12 PD
- Junior: 2 picks, 12 PD
- Senior: 1 pick, 5 PD
- Freshman: 3 picks, 3 PD
- Sophomore: 1 pick, 6 PD
- Junior: 0 picks, 8 PD
Roy Williams
- Freshman: 2 picks, 11 PD
- Sophomore: 2 picks, 9 PD
- Junior: 5 picks, 27 PD
- Freshman: 0 picks, 0 PD (backed up Ed Reed)
- Sophomore: 4 picks, 15 PD
- Junior: 10 picks, 13 PD
- Freshman: 2 picks, 10 PD
- Sophomore: 2 picks, 6 PD
- Junior: 2 picks, 14 PD
- Senior: 2 picks, 14 PD
- Freshman: 2 picks, 2 PD
- Sophomore: 1 pick, 1 PD
- Junior: 2 picks, 6 PD
- Freshman: 2 picks, 4 PD
- Sophomore: 4 picks, 6 PD
- Junior: 3 picks, 8 PD
- Senior: 3 picks, 4 PD
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