Browns Fire Eric Mangini
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The new HC will come from this tree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holmgren_Coaching_Tree.jpg
The new HC will come from this tree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holmgren_Coaching_Tree.jpg
That is why I earlier said that Mariucci might also be in the mix.
Question: now that Mangini has coached for Holmgren....does he become a part of his tree?
Also, be aware that Holmgren is himself a branch of the Bill Walsh tree......who in turn is a part of the Paul Brown tree.
So, with any of these it will likely come back to Paul Brown.
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The new HC will come from this tree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holmgren_Coaching_Tree.jpg
That is why I earlier said that Mariucci might also be in the mix.
Question: now that Mangini has coached for Holmgren....does he become a part of his tree?
Also, be aware that Holmgren is himself a branch of the Bill Walsh tree......who in turn is a part of the Paul Brown tree.
So, with any of these it will likely come back to Paul Brown.
That is why I earlier said that Mariucci might also be in the mix.
Question: now that Mangini has coached for Holmgren....does he become a part of his tree?
Also, be aware that Holmgren is himself a branch of the Bill Walsh tree......who in turn is a part of the Paul Brown tree.
So, with any of these it will likely come back to Paul Brown.
So are we bringing back Paul Brown? And Bill Walsh to run the offense?
That would be an intimidating sideline. Not only to see PB and BW on the same sideline, but to see them as zombies.
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In hindsight its too bad Cleveland didn't get a 1 year head start on rebuilding with a good coach rather than a mediocre coach in Mangini.
Ultimately its the Cleveland fans who spent far too much time defending a mediocre coach who can be "thanked" for helping to keep Mangini around for another year - however I do understand that when it comes to recent Browns history, mediocrity is a dramatic improvement.
There's no shortage of examples of teams that have been as bad or even worse than Cleveland turning things around once they've brought in a coach who commands the respect of the players. And personnel-wise, Cleveland was and is better off than many of them. True, players on the Browns range from mediocre to good - but a good coach makes mediocre players good and good ones great.
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The new HC will come from this tree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holmgren_Coaching_Tree.jpg
That is why I earlier said that Mariucci might also be in the mix.
Question: now that Mangini has coached for Holmgren....does he become a part of his tree?
Also, be aware that Holmgren is himself a branch of the Bill Walsh tree......who in turn is a part of the Paul Brown tree.
So, with any of these it will likely come back to Paul Brown.
That is why I earlier said that Mariucci might also be in the mix.
Question: now that Mangini has coached for Holmgren....does he become a part of his tree?
Also, be aware that Holmgren is himself a branch of the Bill Walsh tree......who in turn is a part of the Paul Brown tree.
So, with any of these it will likely come back to Paul Brown.
You are absolutely correct. A lot of that WCO that Bill Walsh was given credit for pioneering was in fact pioneered by Paul Brown.
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Coaching treeThe following coaches either coached under or played for Paul Brown and were influenced at least to some degree by him and his football knowledge and offensive system:
Blanton Collier (coach under Paul Brown)
Weeb Ewbank (coach under Paul Brown)
Abe Gibron (player)
Sid Gillman (coach)
Otto Graham (player for Paul Brown)
Bill "Tiger" Johnson (coach under Paul Brown)
Chuck Noll (player for Paul Brown)
Ara Parseghian (player for Paul Brown)
Lou Saban (player for Paul Brown)
Don Shula (player for Paul Brown)
Bill Walsh (coach under Paul Brown)
Sam Wyche (player and head coach under team President Paul Brown)
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In hindsight its too bad Cleveland didn't get a 1 year head start on rebuilding with a good coach rather than a mediocre coach in Mangini.
Ultimately its the Cleveland fans who spent far too much time defending a mediocre coach who can be "thanked" for helping to keep Mangini around for another year - however I do understand that when it comes to recent Browns history, mediocrity is a dramatic improvement.
There's no shortage of examples of teams that have been as bad or even worse than Cleveland turning things around once they've brought in a coach who commands the respect of the players. And personnel-wise, Cleveland was and is better off than many of them. True, players on the Browns range from mediocre to good - but a good coach makes mediocre players good and good ones great.
In hindsight its too bad Cleveland didn't get a 1 year head start on rebuilding with a good coach rather than a mediocre coach in Mangini.
Ultimately its the Cleveland fans who spent far too much time defending a mediocre coach who can be "thanked" for helping to keep Mangini around for another year - however I do understand that when it comes to recent Browns history, mediocrity is a dramatic improvement.
There's no shortage of examples of teams that have been as bad or even worse than Cleveland turning things around once they've brought in a coach who commands the respect of the players. And personnel-wise, Cleveland was and is better off than many of them. True, players on the Browns range from mediocre to good - but a good coach makes mediocre players good and good ones great.
There is no better example of that than your DC. Dick LeBeau. He has taken a defense with a couple of good players and a bunch of mediocre ones and turned them into a great defense.
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@junkyard-dawg said:
Found this in regards to Jim Harbaugh...We have one of the top GM's in the NFL and a top notch front office structure. Just saying...
On Harbaugh, yes, the 49ers have perhaps the most dysfunctional front office of any NFL team. That is why he may be looking at Denver.....and, you never know, with the connection with Holmgren the Browns may be interested as well.
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On Dick LeBeau.....what "coaching tree" does he fall into? Squarely into the Paul Brown tree, more or less.
Of course, he falls under the "Woody Hayes" tree as well, having played for him in college. But LeBeau got his start as an NFL asst. coach under Mark MacCormack, who of course was a HOF player for Paul Brown.
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And check out this coaching tree:
And you might ask: Whose tree did Marty fall from. The answer is "Lou Saban" who was his coach with the Bills.
And of course what tree did Saban grow on?: Paul Brown's.
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How many ncaa coaches become good nfl coaches?
Jimmy johnson and tom coughlin? I'm talkin this era please doe drudge up dick vermeil or john robinson
How many ncaa coaches become good nfl coaches?
Jimmy johnson and tom coughlin? I'm talkin this era please doe drudge up dick vermeil or john robinson
Charlie Weis went from to HC at Notre Dame to OC in Kansas City and they had a good year. I know, they had an easy schedule, but they play the schedule they were given. Charlie Weis is now going to Florida to work as an OC. Go Gators!
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How many ncaa coaches become good nfl coaches?
Jimmy johnson and tom coughlin? I'm talkin this era please doe drudge up dick vermeil or john robinson
How many ncaa coaches become good nfl coaches?
Jimmy johnson and tom coughlin? I'm talkin this era please doe drudge up dick vermeil or john robinson
How many actually get a shot? 1 every couple years? With the turnover rate of NFL head coaches, not very good odds of hitting on that guy. Not very good chances hitting on NFL coaches either.
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Jim Harbaugh would be an absolutely amazing get. Young up and coming superstar learns under the master of the WCO? It's perfect.
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Mangina
Mangina
Your ass got fired, Mangina
(giddy up ah oomp papa maw maw)
A couple years ago when everyone here was all excited about Mangina being the new HC, I correctly stated that hiring yesterdays chopped liver wouldn't do shit.
I'm once again correct, as I usually am.
Same for Holmgren. I don't think Holmy gets fired anytime soon but he's not a turn-around guy. The fact that he took a job in dirty, dirty Cleveland shows what credibility the guy has.
Don't expect the next HC to be of pedigree, unless you pay him a substantial premium - which is what the stains might have to do to turn the ship around.
Regards...
... an'at
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Mangina
Mangina
Your ass got fired, Mangina
(giddy up ah oomp papa maw maw)
A couple years ago when everyone here was all excited about Mangina being the new HC, I correctly stated that hiring yesterdays chopped liver wouldn't do shit.
I'm once again correct, as I usually am.
Same for Holmgren. I don't think Holmy gets fired anytime soon but he's not a turn-around guy. The fact that he took a job in dirty, dirty Cleveland shows what credibility the guy has.
Don't expect the next HC to be of pedigree, unless you pay him a substantial premium - which is what the stains might have to do to turn the ship around.
Regards...
... an'at
.
Mangina
Mangina
Your ass got fired, Mangina
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Mangina
Mangina
Your ass got fired, Mangina
(giddy up ah oomp papa maw maw)
A couple years ago when everyone here was all excited about Mangina being the new HC, I correctly stated that hiring yesterdays chopped liver wouldn't do shit.
I'm once again correct, as I usually am.
Same for Holmgren. I don't think Holmy gets fired anytime soon but he's not a turn-around guy. The fact that he took a job in dirty, dirty Cleveland shows what credibility the guy has.
Don't expect the next HC to be of pedigree, unless you pay him a substantial premium - which is what the stains might have to do to turn the ship around.
Regards...
... an'at
The fans of the Cleveland Browns thank you for choosing to post on the The Browns Board in lieu of other team's boards. Your support of Cleveland and this board is appreciated. Go Browns!
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Sherman's name crossed my mind.
I wouldn't be shocked to see him at the helm.
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@junkyard-dawg said:
Mike Holmgren(OC at BYU)Brian Billick(OC at Utah St)
Paul Brown(Greatest HC in history and former HC at Navy and Ohio St)
Jim Caldwell(HC at Wake Forest)
Pete Carrol
Don Coryell(HC at Whittier and one of the most innovative minds in NFL history)
Dennis Greene(HC at Stanford)
Marv Levy(HC- CAL, William and Mary)
Steve Mariucci(HC at CAL)
Ron Meyer(HC at SMU)
Jim Mora Sr(HC- UCLA, Occidental, Stanford, Colorado)
Bill Parcells(HC, Air Force)
Mike Shanahan(OC, U. of Florida)
Barry Switzer(HC Oklahoma)
Norv Turner(OC, USC)
Dick Vermeil(HC, Stanford, UCLA)
Sam Wyche(HC, Indiana)
Tony Sparano(HC New Haven)
Steve Spagnuolo(HC Rutgers)
Jimmy Johnson....
Need I continue? Btw, notice a trend there? That trend being Stanford HC's going on to have success as HC's in the NFL?
Let me clarify, guys who were BIG time winners in NCAA and then Big winners in the NFL as head coach..
nick saban, bobby patrino, steve spurrier are my examples of resent guys
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Mangina
Mangina
Your ass got fired, Mangina
(giddy up ah oomp papa maw maw)
A couple years ago when everyone here was all excited about Mangina being the new HC, I correctly stated that hiring yesterdays chopped liver wouldn't do shit.
I'm once again correct, as I usually am.
Same for Holmgren. I don't think Holmy gets fired anytime soon but he's not a turn-around guy. The fact that he took a job in dirty, dirty Cleveland shows what credibility the guy has.
Don't expect the next HC to be of pedigree, unless you pay him a substantial premium - which is what the stains might have to do to turn the ship around.
Regards...
... an'at
The fans of the Cleveland Browns thank you for choosing to post on the The Browns Board in lieu of other team's boards. Your support of Cleveland and this board is appreciated. Go Browns!
The fans of the Cleveland Browns thank you for choosing to post on the The Browns Board in lieu of other team's boards. Your support of Cleveland and this board is appreciated. Go Browns!
The fans of the Cleveland Browns thank you for choosing to post on the The Browns Board in lieu of other team's boards. Your support of Cleveland and this board is appreciated. Go Browns!
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