What team has had the best QBs?
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For purposes of this, I am basically ignoring QBs that may have had a "cup of coffee" with a team, e.g. Montana with the Chiefs or Johnny U. with the Chargers, that sort of thing. Here is a list of the NFL teams and some of the quality QBs they have had. (HOF highligted):
Cardinals: Charley Johnson, Jim Hart, Neil Lomax, Jake Plummer, Kurt Warner
Bills: Jack Kemp, Joe Ferguson, Jim Kelly
Bears: George Blanda, Sid Luckman, Jim McMahon, Bill Wade
Browns: Otto Graham, Frank Ryan, Bill Nelsen, Brian Sipe, Bernie Kosar, Tim Couch
Cowboys: Don Meredith, Roger Staubach, Danny White, Troy Aikman, Tony Romo
Broncos: Craig Morton, John Elway, Jake Plummer
Lions: Bobby Layne
Packers: Arnie Herber, Tobin Rote, Bart Starr, Lynn Dickey, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers
Colts: Johnny Unitas, Bert Jones, Peyton Manning
Chiefs: Len Dawson, Bill Kenney, Trent Green
Dolphins: Bob Griese, Dan Marino
Vikings: Fran Tarkenton, Joe Kapp, Daunte Culpepper
Patriots: Babe Parilli, Steve Grogan, Drew Bledsoe, Tom Brady
Giants: George Conerly, Benny Friedman, Y.A. Tittle, Phil Simms, Jeff Hostetler, Fran Tarkenton, Eli Manning
Jets: Joe Namath, Richard Todd, Ken O'Brien, Chad Pennington
Raiders: Darryl Lamonica, Ken Stabler, Jim Plunkett, Marc Wilson, Rich Gannon
Eagles: Norm Van Brocklin, Norm Snead, Sonny Jurgenson, Ron Jaworski, Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb
Steelers: Terry Bradshaw, Neil O'Donnel, Ben Roethlisberger
Chargers: John Hadl, Dan Fouts, Stan Humphries, Philip Rivers
49ers: Y.A. Tittle, John Brodie, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jeff Garcia
Rams: Bob Waterfield, Norm Van Brocklin, Roman Gabriel, Vince Ferragamo, Jim Everett, Kurt Warner
Oilers/Titan: George Blanda, Dan Pastorini, Warren Moon, Steve McNair
Redskins: Sammy Baugh, Sonny Jurgenson, Joe Theismann
Falcons: Steve Bartkowski, Chris Chandler, Mike Vick, Ryan
Bengals: Ken Anderson, Boomer Esiason, Carson Palmer
Saints: Archie Manning, Bobby Hebert, Drew Brees
Buccaneers: Doug Williams, Vinny Testaverde, Brad Johnson
Seahawks: Jim Zorn, Dave Kreig, Matt Hasselback
Jaguars: Mark Brunell, Byron Leftwich, David Garrard
Texans: David Carr, Matt Schaub
Panthers: Kerry Collins, Jake Delhomme
Ravens: Kyle Boller, Joe Flacco
So, how would you rate the best group, give say Top 5. And how about the worst?
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Note of course that though they weren't highlighted, the likes of Brady, Peyton Manning, Kurt Warner, and Brett Favre are pretty sure fire HOFers.
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I think the teams with the top QB class is probably The Packers. Two are in: Herber, Starr, plus Favre a shoe in, plus the current hottest QB going.
Next I think is the Giants, 3 HOFs withe Tittle, Friedman and Tarkenton (though Tark played 5-6 years with Giants he made his name with the Vikings). It remains to be seen if Eli Manning will become a HOF caliber QB. Not yet.
Third is the 49ers with Montana and Young, and Tittle (again though, Tittle, despite playing about 7-8 years with the 49ers, is best known as a Giant).
Honestly, the worst I think is The Lions. Since Bobby Layne in the 50s they have not had a consistent QB play for that team. I mean the only guys that have QBd that team for like 4-5 years have been names like Eric Hipple, Joey Harrington and Scott Mitchell. NOT stellar at all. For their sake, maybe Matt Stafford will become something decent.
Other teams that have not had much QB success have not been around nearly as long, like the Panthers.
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I was a at Rotary lunch that Y.A. Tittle was speaking at. He was about 75 years old at the time. He talked about playing for the niners and getting traded during a pre-season game to NY. The thing that I thought was the funniest and most admirable thing was that he had nothing good to say about Otto Graham and Paul Brown. To see a guy who still had that much competitiveness and fire at that age after accomplishing what he had was inspiring. It also reinforced the theory that PB was a football genius.
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I was a at Rotary lunch that Y.A. Tittle was speaking at. He was about 75 years old at the time. He talked about playing for the niners and getting traded during a pre-season game to NY. The thing that I thought was the funniest and most admirable thing was that he had nothing good to say about Otto Graham and Paul Brown. To see a guy who still had that much competitiveness and fire at that age after accomplishing what he had was inspiring. It also reinforced the theory that PB was a football genius.
I was a at Rotary lunch that Y.A. Tittle was speaking at. He was about 75 years old at the time. He talked about playing for the niners and getting traded during a pre-season game to NY. The thing that I thought was the funniest and most admirable thing was that he had nothing good to say about Otto Graham and Paul Brown. To see a guy who still had that much competitiveness and fire at that age after accomplishing what he had was inspiring. It also reinforced the theory that PB was a football genius.
I assume by that you mean that he wasn't being personal, just that he was essentially bitter over getting his ass beat by OG and PB time and again, right?
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Y.A. usually ended up like this after playing the Browns:
This is one of the most famous photos in NFL history.
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It all depends on how many QB's you want to list. If it's a 2 man list per team then I go with 49ers. If it's a 3 man list I go with GB. and Any more then 3 I would say Dallas
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
I was a at Rotary lunch that Y.A. Tittle was speaking at. He was about 75 years old at the time. He talked about playing for the niners and getting traded during a pre-season game to NY. The thing that I thought was the funniest and most admirable thing was that he had nothing good to say about Otto Graham and Paul Brown. To see a guy who still had that much competitiveness and fire at that age after accomplishing what he had was inspiring. It also reinforced the theory that PB was a football genius.
I assume by that you mean that he wasn't being personal, just that he was essentially bitter over getting his ass beat by OG and PB time and again, right?
I assume by that you mean that he wasn't being personal, just that he was essentially bitter over getting his ass beat by OG and PB time and again, right?
No it wasn't personal. It came up while talking about how he called all his own plays on the field. Yes bitter about loosing to OG ad the Browns. He said he did'nt like what at the time was thought to be a gimmicky passing offense that PB and Otto ran and that PB called the plays and had them shuttled in to OG.
YA also talked about how he spent a brief time as a scout for the niners and after a visit to LA Tech and seeing Bradshaw told the niners that "oh yah, he can throw the ball a mile but boy is he dumb, he cant remember the plays"he recommended that the niners not look to draft him in '70.
Turned out he went 1st as we all know just imagine if he YA worked for the Steelers and made that reco to them. They may have passed on Bradshaw taken Phips at 1 leaving Bradshaw to the Browns at 3.
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Y.A. usually ended up like this after playing the Browns:
This is one of the most famous photos in NFL history.
Y.A. usually ended up like this after playing the Browns:
This is one of the most famous photos in NFL history.
That photograph was taken in Pittsburgh.
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Raiders: Darryl Lamonica, Ken Stabler, Jim Plunkett, Marc Wilson, Rich Gannon
Kenny Stabler was the mans QB. The guy use to drink Jack Daniels during practice and kick ass on Sundays, he's worth three Tom Brady's.
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Raiders: Darryl Lamonica, Ken Stabler, Jim Plunkett, Marc Wilson, Rich Gannon
Kenny Stabler was the mans QB. The guy use to drink Jack Daniels during practice and kick ass on Sundays, he's worth three Tom Brady's.
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Kenny Stabler was the mans QB. The guy use to drink Jack Daniels during practice and kick ass on Sundays, he's worth three Tom Brady's. NW220
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Joe Namath is one of the greatest qb's I ever watched. He stayed up all night on Sat nights, talking with three ladies at one time,
and still kicked ass on Sundays !
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It all depends on how many QB's you want to list. If it's a 2 man list per team then I go with 49ers. If it's a 3 man list I go with GB. and Any more then 3 I would say Dallas
It all depends on how many QB's you want to list. If it's a 2 man list per team then I go with 49ers. If it's a 3 man list I go with GB. and Any more then 3 I would say Dallas
If you are just going with 2, I think the Colts with Unitas and Manning have the best duo, combined, those two outshine the combo of Montana and Young by a wide margin in my opinion.
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Kenny Stabler was the mans QB. The guy use to drink Jack Daniels during practice and kick ass on Sundays, he's worth three Tom Brady's. NW220
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Joe Namath is one of the greatest qb's I ever watched. He stayed up all night on Sat nights, talking with three ladies at one time,
and still kicked ass on Sundays !
Kenny Stabler was the mans QB. The guy use to drink Jack Daniels during practice and kick ass on Sundays, he's worth three Tom Brady's. NW220
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Joe Namath is one of the greatest qb's I ever watched. He stayed up all night on Sat nights, talking with three ladies at one time,
and still kicked ass on Sundays !
Just talking?
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OK, well, let's take this thread in a slightly different direction: Who would you rate as the Top 5 or 10 QBs of all time.
Here is a list I have put together in alphabetical order that I think the primary candidates would probably come from, but certainly you are free to add to the list:
Troy Aikman
Sammy Baugh
Terry Bradshaw
Tom Brady
Len Dawson
John Elway
Brett Favre
Dan Fouts
Benny Friedman
Otto Graham
Arner Herber
Sonny Jurgenson
Jim Kelly
Sid Luckman
Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
Joe Montana
Warren Moon
Joe Namath
Bart Starr
Roger Staubach
Fran Tarkenton
John Unitas
Steve Young
So, who is your Top 5?
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I dono about Manning and Unitas over Montana and Young...Id take the rings but the 49ers had better teams as opposed to say the Colts may had the better Talent at the QB position, it'd be a good agrument
I dono about Manning and Unitas over Montana and Young...Id take the rings but the 49ers had better teams as opposed to say the Colts may had the better Talent at the QB position, it'd be a good agrument
I don't know how old you are, but I saw all of them play. For me, Unitas and Montana are an even match, so it would come down to who I thought was better, Young or Manning, and my vote is for Manning for a fairly wide margin.
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I think my Top 5 QBs would be, in no order: Graham, Unitas, Montana, Elway, Manning
Next 5: Marino, Baugh, Kelly, Brady, Favre....though I would have liked to squeeze Staubach in there, maybe in place of Kelly.
Touch Choices.
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My top 5 all-time would be
1. Montana
2. Elway
3. Unitas
4. Manning
5. Marino
And if Dan Marino had won atleast 1 title he would be #2. And by the end of his career Manning will be #1 on my list.
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