Terry Pluto's Talkin'
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http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2011/03/terry_plutos_talkin_about_the_31.html
About the Browns...
1. It's a quiet move, but re-signing Seneca Wallace is a key decision. Given that Colt McCoy will be the 10th different starting quarterback since the franchise returned in 1999, it make sense to have a veteran behind McCoy who fully understands the new West Coast system. Wallace also proved that he can step in and play reasonably well. It's not a knock on McCoy, but the odds are that almost any quarterback will be injured and miss games.
2. Wallace started four games for the Browns and the team was 1-3. It's a bit deceiving, because he was hurt in late in the first half of the Atlanta game. He had completed 11 of 15 passes for 139 yards and a touchdown. The Browns had a 7-6 lead. A limping Jake Delhomme played the second half, and the Browns lost, 20-10.
3. Wallace had quarterbacked the Browns to a 23-20 victory over the Bengals the week before. His confidence was growing. He never started another game (and threw only one pass) the rest of the season. Wallace completed 63 percent of his passes, with four touchdowns and two interceptions. For his career (657 passes, 18 starts), he has completed 60 percent of his passes with 29 touchdowns and 16 interceptions, a solid 83.9 rating.
4. Nothing about Wallace's numbers scream he must start, but they do show he can if needed. While the Browns haven't ruled out bringing back Delhomme, it's hard to imagine they will. That's especially true since team President Mike Holmgren said he likes to draft a quarterback in the late rounds.
5. The Browns also are bringing back tight end Evan Moore, who should be very effective. In two seasons, Moore has 28 catches for an average of 17.1 yards with the Browns. His problem is staying healthy. He has had knee problems, hip problems and other minor injuries. I like the idea of bringing him back, even if they only get 10 games out of him.
6. You can be sure very little of D'Qwell Jackson's $4.5 million contract is guaranteed. He played no games last season, only six in 2009. He is only 27, but after having surgery on both pectoral muscles, he has be to considered a long shot to make it through a full season. A problem for the Browns is trying to find linebackers to fit the new 4-3 scheme. They think Chris Gocong can handle the middle, with Scott Fujita on the strong side. They project Jackson as being either in the middle or on the weak side. They don't have much depth at the position, so shopping for linebackers could be a big part of the draft.
7. Marcus Benard as a linebacker led the Browns with 7.5 sacks, but that was in the 3-4 formation. The hope is he can do it from the defensive end spot. This team has so few pass rushers, they need to find a way to maximize that skill from Benard.
8. Now that Shaun Rogers has signed with New Orleans, it ends the big gamble that the Browns took in the 2008 draft. That was when they shipped a second-rounder to Green Bay for Corey Williams, who never could switch from a 4-3 to the Browns' 3-4. Williams was later traded to Detroit for a fifth-rounder that was part of another deal that led to the Browns moving up to draft Montario Hardesty.
9. Hardesty was out for the year with knee surgery, so the Browns had nothing on the field in 2010 for that second-rounder dealt for Williams. They sent Leigh Bodden and a third-rounder in 2008 to Detroit for Rogers. He had one good year, and two injury-prone seasons here. Now, he's gone, and the Browns have nothing to show for that. Former GM Phil Savage made those deals to try and win big after that surprising 10-6 record in 2007.
10. The first-rounder in 2008 was shipped to Dallas as part of a deal that led to the drafting of Brady Quinn, so at least the Browns have Peyton Hillis as a product of Quinn being traded to Denver. But in the end, there were a lot of missed opportunities in that 2008 draft. There also was misguided thinking as Rogers and Williams (especially) were better in the 4-3 than the 3-4 defense.
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don't take the bait browns fans and stick to the subject. this moron troll is the same old same. some miserable, lonely loser with nothing better to do than stalk a browns board and try to get under someone's skin. the antagonistic routine is old as hell.
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don't take the bait browns fans and stick to the subject. this moron troll is the same old same. some miserable, lonely loser with nothing better to do than stalk a browns board and try to get under someone's skin. the antagonistic routine is old as hell.
don't take the bait browns fans and stick to the subject. this moron troll is the same old same. some miserable, lonely loser with nothing better to do than stalk a browns board and try to get under someone's skin. the antagonistic routine is old as hell.
i rarely side with steeler fans but come on. sometimes the truth hurts. and we all know how much you love some seneca.
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don't take the bait browns fans and stick to the subject. this moron troll is the same old same. some miserable, lonely loser with nothing better to do than stalk a browns board and try to get under someone's skin. the antagonistic routine is old as hell.
i rarely side with steeler fans but come on. sometimes the truth hurts. and we all know how much you love some seneca.
i rarely side with steeler fans but come on. sometimes the truth hurts. and we all know how much you love some seneca.
what the heck are you even talking about? as far as the troll's comments, he posts the same crap in every thread. he's only trying to get under someone's skin. so yes, i told browns fans not to take the bait. all he wants to do is argue. they shouldn't waste their time arguing with a moron like that. my comment about the loser troll has absolutely nothing to do with seneca being a good or bad backup.
as far as your claim that i love seneca, lol. how you came to that conclusion is beyond me. you won't find no one else to agree with your pathetic comment. i think seneca is a good back up qb and that's about it.
just admit it man. you hold a grudge against me for ripping you about your racist ways. i ripped your ass a new one and no one came to defend you because they knew you were wrong. you're a racist piece of shit and you try to jump at any opportunity to get revenge becuase you're still sore i ripped your dumb ass. it's why you really argue with me. you're a pathetic excuse for a human being. nothing else needs to be said.
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i rarely side with steeler fans but come on. sometimes the truth hurts. and we all know how much you love some seneca.
what the heck are you even talking about? as far as the troll's comments, he posts the same crap in every thread. he's only trying to get under someone's skin. so yes, i told browns fans not to take the bait. all he wants to do is argue. they shouldn't waste their time arguing with a moron like that. my comment about the loser troll has absolutely nothing to do with seneca being a good or bad backup.
as far as your claim that i love seneca, lol. how you came to that conclusion is beyond me. you won't find no one else to agree with your pathetic comment. i think seneca is a good back up qb and that's about it.
just admit it man. you hold a grudge against me for ripping you about your racist ways. i ripped your ass a new one and no one came to defend you because they knew you were wrong. you're a racist piece of shit and you try to jump at any opportunity to get revenge becuase you're still sore i ripped your dumb ass. it's why you really argue with me. you're a pathetic excuse for a human being. nothing else needs to be said.
what the heck are you even talking about? as far as the troll's comments, he posts the same crap in every thread. he's only trying to get under someone's skin. so yes, i told browns fans not to take the bait. all he wants to do is argue. they shouldn't waste their time arguing with a moron like that. my comment about the loser troll has absolutely nothing to do with seneca being a good or bad backup.
as far as your claim that i love seneca, lol. how you came to that conclusion is beyond me. you won't find no one else to agree with your pathetic comment. i think seneca is a good back up qb and that's about it.
just admit it man. you hold a grudge against me for ripping you about your racist ways. i ripped your ass a new one and no one came to defend you because they knew you were wrong. you're a racist piece of shit and you try to jump at any opportunity to get revenge becuase you're still sore i ripped your dumb ass. it's why you really argue with me. your a pathetic excuse for a human being. nothing else needs to be said.
wow. you don't even know me. just because someone can throw out opinions on a message board that don't align with your idea of what's right doesn't mean they are racist. you don't know where i've been, where i've lived, what i've dealt with. aren't you all of like 21 years old? go join the flippin army and serve your country like i did. go on to live and prosper friendships of those you served with. are some black? brown? yellow? what do you think?
yeah i know that 'slurpandburp' is a steeler troll. so what? maybe we should listen to someone who is a fan of a franchise that has totally dominated 'our' team since it's inception. maybe they know a little somethin about how things are done.
i'm a dumbass? yeah i'm the one with a girl avatar. what happened to the green lantern? can't wait for that movie. YAY!!!!! gonna wait in line?
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Wallace is a good back up who has mobility. He works better coming into games when teams haven't specifically game planned for him but he also manages to be a good spot starter if the #1 guy goes down for a few weeks. Most importantly he is very knowledgeable in the WCO that is being put in so he can help out McCoy. Any reason other teams never really looked at him were because of his arm strength which is average for the WCO and just not good enough for any other kind of offense. Anyone here who watched him play last year knows that he can't throw a side line pass to save his life, even if it's only 10 yards off the line, but he can still throw an accurate pass 40 yards down the middle of the field.
Good back up, way better than Delhomme at this point in his career, we needed to resign him, and if we didn't you could have seen him either A) Go start for the Vikings, or
possibly go back and take over in Seattle if they can't resign Hassleback. -
i rarely side with steeler fans but come on. sometimes the truth hurts. and we all know how much you love some seneca.
what the heck are you even talking about? as far as the troll's comments, he posts the same crap in every thread. he's only trying to get under someone's skin. so yes, i told browns fans not to take the bait. all he wants to do is argue. they shouldn't waste their time arguing with a moron like that. my comment about the loser troll has absolutely nothing to do with seneca being a good or bad backup.
as far as your claim that i love seneca, lol. how you came to that conclusion is beyond me. you won't find no one else to agree with your pathetic comment. i think seneca is a good back up qb and that's about it.
just admit it man. you hold a grudge against me for ripping you about your racist ways. i ripped your ass a new one and no one came to defend you because they knew you were wrong. you're a racist piece of shit and you try to jump at any opportunity to get revenge becuase you're still sore i ripped your dumb ass. it's why you really argue with me. you're a pathetic excuse for a human being. nothing else needs to be said.
what the heck are you even talking about? as far as the troll's comments, he posts the same crap in every thread. he's only trying to get under someone's skin. so yes, i told browns fans not to take the bait. all he wants to do is argue. they shouldn't waste their time arguing with a moron like that. my comment about the loser troll has absolutely nothing to do with seneca being a good or bad backup.
as far as your claim that i love seneca, lol. how you came to that conclusion is beyond me. you won't find no one else to agree with your pathetic comment. i think seneca is a good back up qb and that's about it.
just admit it man. you hold a grudge against me for ripping you about your racist ways. i ripped your ass a new one and no one came to defend you because they knew you were wrong. you're a racist piece of shit and you try to jump at any opportunity to get revenge becuase you're still sore i ripped your dumb ass. it's why you really argue with me. you're a pathetic excuse for a human being. nothing else needs to be said.
Ha he deleted his post!
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Wallace is a good back up who has mobility. He works better coming into games when teams haven't specifically game planned for him but he also manages to be a good spot starter if the #1 guy goes down for a few weeks. Most importantly he is very knowledgeable in the WCO that is being put in so he can help out McCoy. Any reason other teams never really looked at him were because of his arm strength which is average for the WCO and just not good enough for any other kind of offense. Anyone here who watched him play last year knows that he can't throw a side line pass to save his life, even if it's only 10 yards off the line, but he can still throw an accurate pass 40 yards down the middle of the field.
Good back up, way better than Delhomme at this point in his career, we needed to resign him, and if we didn't you could have seen him either A) Go start for the Vikings, or
possibly go back and take over in Seattle if they can't resign Hassleback.Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Wallace is a good back up who has mobility. He works better coming into games when teams haven't specifically game planned for him but he also manages to be a good spot starter if the #1 guy goes down for a few weeks. Most importantly he is very knowledgeable in the WCO that is being put in so he can help out McCoy. Any reason other teams never really looked at him were because of his arm strength which is average for the WCO and just not good enough for any other kind of offense. Anyone here who watched him play last year knows that he can't throw a side line pass to save his life, even if it's only 10 yards off the line, but he can still throw an accurate pass 40 yards down the middle of the field.
Good back up, way better than Delhomme at this point in his career, we needed to resign him, and if we didn't you could have seen him either A) Go start for the Vikings, or
possibly go back and take over in Seattle if they can't resign Hassleback.edit: good post! i agree with all of your points about seneca. and yes, he does have a problem with the sideline pass. i thought he had good arm strength though? maybe i'm wrong. as far as other teams desire in signing him, do we really know if other teams inquired about him or not? that's a hard one to pin point because sometimes that knowledge may not be known to the public for one reason or another. backup qbs like seneca usually aren't big news so who knows whether or not someone wanted to sign him.
he's as good backup, but we all know that backups aren't starters for a reason.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Wallace is a good back up who has mobility. He works better coming into games when teams haven't specifically game planned for him but he also manages to be a good spot starter if the #1 guy goes down for a few weeks. Most importantly he is very knowledgeable in the WCO that is being put in so he can help out McCoy. Any reason other teams never really looked at him were because of his arm strength which is average for the WCO and just not good enough for any other kind of offense. Anyone here who watched him play last year knows that he can't throw a side line pass to save his life, even if it's only 10 yards off the line, but he can still throw an accurate pass 40 yards down the middle of the field.
Good back up, way better than Delhomme at this point in his career, we needed to resign him, and if we didn't you could have seen him either A) Go start for the Vikings, or
possibly go back and take over in Seattle if they can't resign Hassleback.edit: good post! i agree with all of your points about seneca. and yes, he does have a problem with the sideline pass. i thought he had good arm strength though? maybe i'm wrong. as far as other teams desire in signing him, do we really know if other teams inquired about him or not? that's a hard one to pin point because sometimes that knowledge may not be known to the public for one reason or another. backup qbs like seneca usually aren't big news so who knows whether or not someone wanted to sign him.
he's as good backup, but we all know that backups aren't starters for a reason.
edit: good post! i agree with all of your points about seneca. and yes, he does have a problem with the sideline pass. i thought he had good arm strength though? maybe i'm wrong. as far as other teams desire in signing him, do we really know if other teams inquired about him or not? that's a hard one to pin point because sometimes that knowledge may not be known to the public for one reason or another. backup qbs like seneca usually aren't big news so who knows whether or not someone wanted to sign him.
he's as good backup, but we all know that backups aren't starters for a reason.
He doesn't have good arm strength over all because of the fact that he can't throw to the side line period. It's like the closer the pass is to the middle of the field, the farther and more accurate he can throw it.
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edit: good post! i agree with all of your points about seneca. and yes, he does have a problem with the sideline pass. i thought he had good arm strength though? maybe i'm wrong. as far as other teams desire in signing him, do we really know if other teams inquired about him or not? that's a hard one to pin point because sometimes that knowledge may not be known to the public for one reason or another. backup qbs like seneca usually aren't big news so who knows whether or not someone wanted to sign him.
he's as good backup, but we all know that backups aren't starters for a reason.
He doesn't have good arm strength over all because of the fact that he can't throw to the side line period. It's like the closer the pass is to the middle of the field, the farther and more accurate he can throw it.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
He doesn't have good arm strength over all because of the fact that he can't throw to the side line period. It's like the closer the pass is to the middle of the field, the farther and more accurate he can throw it.
aren't you talking about accuracy then? i guess what i'm referring to is arm strenght in regards to whether or not he can throw the deep ball. he definitely has problems with short and long passes along the sidlines. your assessment of his passes being more accurate if they're closer to the middle of the field is dead right. like i said before, there's a reason why he's a backup.
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Ya your right
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don't take the bait browns fans and stick to the subject. this moron troll is the same old same. some miserable, lonely loser with nothing better to do than stalk a browns board and try to get under someone's skin. the antagonistic routine is old as hell.
don't take the bait browns fans and stick to the subject. this moron troll is the same old same. some miserable, lonely loser with nothing better to do than stalk a browns board and try to get under someone's skin. the antagonistic routine is old as hell.
Slurpee is DONE. Any further flamebait from the booger is gone as soon as I see it. I agree- he's just here to agitate,not converse about football.
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don't take the bait browns fans and stick to the subject. this moron troll is the same old same. some miserable, lonely loser with nothing better to do than stalk a browns board and try to get under someone's skin. the antagonistic routine is old as hell.
Slurpee is DONE. Any further flamebait from the booger is gone as soon as I see it. I agree- he's just here to agitate,not converse about football.
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