The Browns GM/Coach Search - from a Patsfan's perspective
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I'm just saying, I dont see us doing anything special with Mangini. Maybe one or two playoff appearances, but we need a team to look foward to in cleveland. The cavs cant be the only answer
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I am not advocating Mangini. But I certainly don't get the hard knocks on him.
Reality is, there are no sure things, no matter who CLE hires.
Masters said:
I am not advocating Mangini. But I certainly don't get the hard knocks on him.Reality is, there are no sure things, no matter who CLE hires.
True. I just want the right solution this time, no more experimenting, no more hiring boneheads like savage, i want the browns to be taken serious in the league.... maybe eventually be in the same sentence with the Patriots, Colts, and Giants.
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Masters said:
I am not advocating Mangini. But I certainly don't get the hard knocks on him.Reality is, there are no sure things, no matter who CLE hires.
True. I just want the right solution this time, no more experimenting, no more hiring boneheads like savage, i want the browns to be taken serious in the league.... maybe eventually be in the same sentence with the Patriots, Colts, and Giants.
True. I just want the right solution this time, no more experimenting, no more hiring boneheads like savage, i want the browns to be taken serious in the league.... maybe eventually be in the same sentence with the Patriots, Colts, and Giants.
Don't we all.
On the plus side, Mangini really wouldn't be experimenting.
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True. I just want the right solution this time, no more experimenting, no more hiring boneheads like savage, i want the browns to be taken serious in the league.... maybe eventually be in the same sentence with the Patriots, Colts, and Giants.
Don't we all.
On the plus side, Mangini really wouldn't be experimenting.
Masters said:
Don't we all.On the plus side, Mangini really wouldn't be experimenting.
I meant not experimenting with with college coaches or anyone who hasn't coached before. We've been down that road before
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Masters said:
Don't we all.On the plus side, Mangini really wouldn't be experimenting.
I meant not experimenting with with college coaches or anyone who hasn't coached before. We've been down that road before
I meant not experimenting with with college coaches or anyone who hasn't coached before. We've been down that road before
I followed you. That was my point on Mangini. He has experience at HC and isn't coming from college.
One thing for sure, no college coaches. They don't work.
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Lol sorry. I just have mixed feelings about this whole thing. I mean Lerner obviously is doing the best he can, I just hope he makes the RIGHT decision this time around and get it right.
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Looks like there's a good chance the Brown fans here are going to get their wish and get Mangini, and his hand picked GM candidate.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/04/...#comment-180951
I won't bother arguing any football points as before since its clear no one wants to address any of it - though I will reiterate that Mangini had considerable input into how the Jets spent $140 million in offseason cash - which resulted in an 8-8 season under his management. (Yes, believe it or not Patriots fans are actually quite knowledgable about the goings on of a division rival)
Sure, the Kool-Aid says blame Tannenbaum rather than your potential head coach (and defacto GM, since he's the one Lerner seems to be abdicating that choice to) but I can't help but notice that the Jets owner fired Mangini, not Tannenbaum.
But in general I hope everything works out for you guys potentially bringing in a former Patriot defensive coordinator and Ravens personnel guy! Seems like a proven combination from my perspective.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Looks like there's a good chance the Brown fans here are going to get their wish and get Mangini, and his hand picked GM candidate.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/04/...#comment-180951
I won't bother arguing any football points as before since its clear no one wants to address any of it - though I will reiterate that Mangini had considerable input into how the Jets spent $140 million in offseason cash - which resulted in an 8-8 season under his management. (Yes, believe it or not Patriots fans are actually quite knowledgable about the goings on of a division rival)
Sure, the Kool-Aid says blame Tannenbaum rather than your potential head coach (and defacto GM, since he's the one Lerner seems to be abdicating that choice to) but I can't help but notice that the Jets owner fired Mangini, not Tannenbaum.
But in general I hope everything works out for you guys potentially bringing in a former Patriot defensive coordinator and Ravens personnel guy! Seems like a proven combination from my perspective.
What could possibly go wrong?
which resulted in an 8-8 season under his management. (Yes, believe it or not Patriots fans are actually quite knowledgable about the goings on of a division rival)
You lost me, and blew your note above as soon as you stated the record. If you know what you rivals are doing, how do you not know they were 9-7, not 8-8
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I meant not experimenting with with college coaches or anyone who hasn't coached before. We've been down that road before
I followed you. That was my point on Mangini. He has experience at HC and isn't coming from college.
One thing for sure, no college coaches. They don't work.
Masters said:
I followed you. That was my point on Mangini. He has experience at HC and isn't coming from college.One thing for sure, no college coaches. They don't work.
Especially Paul Brown he was a failure coming from college and Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer and Don Coryell and Tom Coughlin and Sid Gillman and Jim Lee Howell and Hank Stram......to name a few busts who came from college
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Lets hire McKay and let him hire the coach.
I dont like Pioli from what ive read and I dont want "SAvage New and Improved part -2"
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which resulted in an 8-8 season under his management. (Yes, believe it or not Patriots fans are actually quite knowledgable about the goings on of a division rival)
You lost me, and blew your note above as soon as you stated the record. If you know what you rivals are doing, how do you not know they were 9-7, not 8-8
Masters said:
You lost me, and blew your note above as soon as you stated the record. If you know what you rivals are doing, how do you not know they were 9-7, not 8-8You might want to study up on your potential head coach. Without Dick Jauron literally turning a win into a loss, Mangini's 8-8. Not that I'm expecting any Browns fans to follow the Jets or any AFC East team quite that closely.
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Masters said:
You lost me, and blew your note above as soon as you stated the record. If you know what you rivals are doing, how do you not know they were 9-7, not 8-8You might want to study up on your potential head coach. Without Dick Jauron literally turning a win into a loss, Mangini's 8-8. Not that I'm expecting any Browns fans to follow the Jets or any AFC East team quite that closely.
You might want to study up on your potential head coach. Without Dick Jauron literally turning a win into a loss, Mangini's 8-8. Not that I'm expecting any Browns fans to follow the Jets or any AFC East team quite that closely.
He was right and you were wrong. They were 9-7. Dick Jauron didn't cough up the football, nor did he call the play - a galactically stupid play call.
Let me tell you something about the Browns fans on this board. We follow everybody, so while you were treated with some disdain when you first arrived, perhaps you can set that aside for awhile and not take it so personally.
"I will not insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said." William F Buckley -
Zombo said:
I just don't see that he's ever really accomplished anything.Zombo
Apparently he is a good interviewee.
Lerner is enamored with him. Enthralled with him. Whatever.
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Zombo said:
2004 with Crennel as DC, patriots defense was #2 by points and #9 by yards.
2005 with Mangini as DC, they dropped to 17th and 26th.
2006 without Mangini they are 2nd and 6th
Jets defense was ranked 7th and 12th in 04-05 under Herm Edwards, then 20th, 18th and 16th with Mangini.
I just don't see that he's ever really accomplished anything.
Zombo
Those are some damning statistics, thanks for doing the legwork.
I'd say it isn't that he's never really accomplished anything. It's much much worse than that. But I think you meant to undersell the fact...
Hopefully it's his supposed rapport with players that we'd hire him for. Not his defensive creativity/playcalling.
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You might want to study up on your potential head coach. Without Dick Jauron literally turning a win into a loss, Mangini's 8-8. Not that I'm expecting any Browns fans to follow the Jets or any AFC East team quite that closely.
He was right and you were wrong. They were 9-7. Dick Jauron didn't cough up the football, nor did he call the play - a galactically stupid play call.
Let me tell you something about the Browns fans on this board. We follow everybody, so while you were treated with some disdain when you first arrived, perhaps you can set that aside for awhile and not take it so personally.
He was right and you were wrong. They were 9-7. Dick Jauron didn't cough up the football, nor did he call the play - a galactically stupid play call.
Let me tell you something about the Browns fans on this board. We follow everybody, so while you were treated with some disdain when you first arrived, perhaps you can set that aside for awhile and not take it so personally.
You really think I don't know exactly what their record was? :rofl:
Had the Bills not given that game away with a bonehead playcall the Patriots are in the playoffs right now.
I don't care who Jauron or anyone else blames for it. You sure can't give any credit to Mangini's "genius" for the Bills giving that game away - for all intents and purposes he's an 8-8 coach.
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He was right and you were wrong. They were 9-7. Dick Jauron didn't cough up the football, nor did he call the play - a galactically stupid play call.
Let me tell you something about the Browns fans on this board. We follow everybody, so while you were treated with some disdain when you first arrived, perhaps you can set that aside for awhile and not take it so personally.
You really think I don't know exactly what their record was? :rofl:
Had the Bills not given that game away with a bonehead playcall the Patriots are in the playoffs right now.
I don't care who Jauron or anyone else blames for it. You sure can't give any credit to Mangini's "genius" for the Bills giving that game away - for all intents and purposes he's an 8-8 coach.
Had the Bills not given that game away with a bonehead playcall the Patriots are in the playoffs right now.
Oh okay genius. I guess losing to Mangini's Jets had nothing to do with you guys missing the playoffs. Or taking a giant shit against the Steelers had zero to do with you missing the playoffs.
After Pittsburgh handed you your ass, you beat SEA (by only 3), OAK, ARI and BUF. I am not impressed.
Save your Bostonian whining for another board, we're all stocked up here.
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You might want to study up on your potential head coach. Without Dick Jauron literally turning a win into a loss, Mangini's 8-8. Not that I'm expecting any Browns fans to follow the Jets or any AFC East team quite that closely.
He was right and you were wrong. They were 9-7. Dick Jauron didn't cough up the football, nor did he call the play - a galactically stupid play call.
Let me tell you something about the Browns fans on this board. We follow everybody, so while you were treated with some disdain when you first arrived, perhaps you can set that aside for awhile and not take it so personally.
He was right and you were wrong. They were 9-7. Dick Jauron didn't cough up the football, nor did he call the play - a galactically stupid play call.
Let me tell you something about the Browns fans on this board. We follow everybody, so while you were treated with some disdain when you first arrived, perhaps you can set that aside for awhile and not take it so personally.
Jauron did call the play and said he did after the game
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Masters said:
I followed you. That was my point on Mangini. He has experience at HC and isn't coming from college.One thing for sure, no college coaches. They don't work.
Especially Paul Brown he was a failure coming from college and Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer and Don Coryell and Tom Coughlin and Sid Gillman and Jim Lee Howell and Hank Stram......to name a few busts who came from college
Especially Paul Brown he was a failure coming from college and Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer and Don Coryell and Tom Coughlin and Sid Gillman and Jim Lee Howell and Hank Stram......to name a few busts who came from college
Let's see Rich, 90% of your list include guys from 20 years ago. This ain't the same NFL it was 20 years ago.
So let me be more specific, it doesn't work today in the NFL.
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Masters said:
You lost me, and blew your note above as soon as you stated the record. If you know what you rivals are doing, how do you not know they were 9-7, not 8-8You might want to study up on your potential head coach. Without Dick Jauron literally turning a win into a loss, Mangini's 8-8. Not that I'm expecting any Browns fans to follow the Jets or any AFC East team quite that closely.
You might want to study up on your potential head coach. Without Dick Jauron literally turning a win into a loss, Mangini's 8-8. Not that I'm expecting any Browns fans to follow the Jets or any AFC East team quite that closely.
But what was their record? I didn't realize the NFL took away wins for another teams bad coaching.
So I guess you didn't see Favre go through his last 4 games with 2 TDs and 8 INTs.....
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