Our 80 Million Dollar Oline
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NO team in the NFL has spend higher drafts picks or more money on OL guys in the last 11 years than the Browns. Yet we have not had an offense worth a crap in any of those years.. Because we spent way too much buying an offensive line and not getting playmakers. Smoke that telling statisitc.
FALSE!
Number of offensive lineman drafted in rounds 1, 2, or 3 since 1999 (look it up):
Pittsburgh: 8
New England: 7
Baltimore: 7
New Orleans: 6
Cleveland: 5
Do you ever actually use real statistics?
FALSE!
Number of offensive lineman drafted in rounds 1, 2, or 3 since 1999 (look it up):
Pittsburgh: 8
New England: 7
Baltimore: 7
New Orleans: 6
Cleveland: 5
Do you ever actually use real statistics?
I wish you would take time to read what I said and use simple logic and understand we spent about 50 million signing free agents, maybe you would get it.. Further, I did enumerate just what you said about 5 picks, it is all in my recent post, boom I already knew that and it changes nothing.. But yu know the answer and refuse to attempt to understand what we have done to screw ourselves over and over. Acutally, I use all the statistics and you pick a bunch that are irrelevant, like teams loaded with talent can pick OL guys and teams defunct of talent no matter how many OL guys they pick and sign as free agents it becomes a revolving door of ineptitude
NOW READ WHAT I SAID AND THINK ABOUT WHAT TEAMS DO AND COME AND SLUR ME WITH ANOTHER STUPID STATEMENT AS LAST SINCE YOU COMPLETELY IGNORED THE IMPORTANT STATISTICS HOW MUCH YOU PAY FOR WHAT AND WHAT YOU GET
if you cannot make a rational retort.................please do insult my grandmother and create and support lies about a bet that never existed and do call me stupid..............and then you are officially what you already stated by accident a full fledged member of the cool aid drinking herd wjoch never thinks ebecause they know the answer without the question
thanks for your consideration and reply which ignored what I said but yet used simplicity to get the wrong answer
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@junkyard-dawg said:
Wrong, then again bandwagon fans usually are.
1954 NFL draft-
Guard- John Bauer, 1st round
1955 NFL draft-
Center- Kurt Burris, 1st round
That would be two. Additionally....
1950-
OT- John Sandusky, 2nd round
1958-
OG- Buzz Guy, 3rd round
1959-
OT- Dick Schafrath, 2nd round
OT- Fran O'Brien, 3rd round
1961-
OT- Ed Nutting, 2nd round
You might THINK you're going to bullshit everyone with your lies but you're not, you will continue to be put into check. Why? Because you are a loud mouth no balls bandwagon Stooler fan talking out his cum dumpster about shit he has no clue about. I realize when the Browns were winning in the 60's you half assed jumped onto the bandwagon alongside the Packers bandwagon then whichever between here and you're newfound Pisstown "fan"ship but you still have zero clue what the hell you're talking about. None. Zero. Nada. In a 10 year period Paul Brown used 1st-3rd round picks on Offensive linemen. Likewise when he created the Bengals he did similar.
You're out of your league lightweight and that sound you hear? That's the rest of TBB laughing at you and the Muslim terrorist Ghoolie.
You are full of shit asshole, the first round pick was Bauer.......................which is what I said and correct.......Burriss was drafted as Linebacker.........read each of my posts jackass and they are consistent, you are stupid and that is expected..........................now what you can do best is call my daugther a blow job queen...............you are up asshole and your stats are DEAD ON WRONG .........or prove otherwise................or get Zombo to make your lie into truth as he does................and you are liar...................because my statement was first round picks and you decided to expand that to your own stupidity whcih I admire your asinesiess, and you included some fantasy picks that were not first round or ever picked /////////////////////but it is what you are an asshole substanceless bluster full and stupid
and YOUR POST IS FLAT OUT LIE AND DECEPTION BUT I DO UNDERSTAND I AM DEALING WITH YOU STUPID
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We've told that to Rich already- a couple of times. So does every GM in the NFL. Rich thinks guys like Jeff Saturday grow on trees. Functions like keeping your qb healthy and opening holes for running backs can be done by duds. Let's see- Bardford-injured. Stafford-injured. Rothlisberger-injured. Common thread, just like 31 points in the SB? Crummy o-lines.
I'm done discussing it any further. He's right- I'm wrong- Cal's wrong-you're wrong- every freaking expert commentator is wrong.
He's so far in denial that he's been toasted, it's ridiculous. Gipper put up some telling statistics, and all he's got is 31 points in the Super Bowl- yup, that won the Super Bowl all right- but it didn't get the team that put up the 31 points there. And it doesn't account for teams from the losing conference that wouldn't have even been there if they had played in the other conference- Denver a bunch of times and Atlanta come to mind- and promptly got blown out. Sorry, just because the winning team in the Super Bowl has scored less than 20 points only twice since 1970 does not prove offense wins championships- it does prove from a historical perspective you had better score a lot of points in the Super Bowl if you expect to win.
Larry smoke these statistics once more. In the first twenty years of the Browns in the NFL they drafted one offensive lineman in the first round in 1955 and he got cut. They made the playoffs five of the five years there was a playoff game in the sixties. They won the championship four times when there was no playoff and they were an offensive juggernaut all of those years. Since the rebirth they spent a fortune on free agents Lomas Brown, Jim Pyne, Orlando Brown, Tony Jones, Dave Wolabaugh, Shaun O'Hara, Ryan Tucker, Ross Verba, Raod Grader Garmon, Joe Andruzzi, Eric Steinbach and others. They spent the 1st round 21 pick on Jeff Faine, the first round 21 pick on Alex Mack, the first round, 3 pick on Joe Thomas, a third round pick Lavauo, a third round pick on Fowler and 5th round pick on Pontbriand.. For all those players chased and drafted we still stink on offense. Wolabaugh, O'hara, Fowler, Mack, Faine and Pontbriand are all centers all six of em. BTW, Faine and O'Hara and Brown and Oben all played in the Super Bowl for other teams two of left tackles and two em centers after we released them or in Faine's case traded him for nearly nothing. All startes and their teams one at least three of those Super Bowls. Like I said dime a dozen!
NO team in the NFL has spend higher drafts picks or more money on OL guys in the last 11 years than the Browns. Yet we have not had an offense worth a crap in any of those years.. Because we spent way too much buying an offensive line and not getting playmakers. Smoke that telling statisitc.
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You are supposed to be a mod, yet, ridiculously say I got smoked, for not answering Gipper and Cal and others , who tell lies about me spew insults, why should I respond, or to the Super Mod Zombo liar supreme, or Cal a third liar(albeit he did attempt to be civil and then resorted to lying) or the 13 year old buffoons who added nothing except their perception of my grandmothers sex habits. Especially, while being smoked as you say all I have done is be right 11 straight years while all of you have been wrong about everything 11 straight years.
Larry, you should be ashamed of yourself for insulting me for providing facts and data that is relevant while saluting rhetoric that proves nothing and saluting juvenile responses of some. Further Larry, Cal and Gipper should be admonished for perpetuating Zombo's lies and Diehard as well for acting like an ass again.. Sad all you senior members especially super mod and total Liar Zombo instead of admitting like Ghoolie so aptly said, that I been cleaning your clocks for ten years gettting and getting it correct repeatedly while you all have been wrong repeatedly.. You allowed my astute vision and understanding and education to you all of my correct view to be transformed into a slobber match of insults of which all you contributed while I stayed on topiic the whole time.. It is clear that none of you has enough fact or data to just counter my views but rather use insults and lies instead
For the idiots, whom none of you so called senior leaders and mods called out for being out of bounds, but rather jumped into and contributed to their dung fiinging, you are all a frigging joke and have no ability to discuss strategic impilications of winning
For those members who have the intellectual capability to actually sort the BS slung on the wall here because of my extraordinary canny and candid and winning views and whom are accepting that the herd is acting like fools and that my points are fact based and need to be considered strongly if the Browns ever hope to return to being a winning franchise, your consideration is appreciated.
31 Points a game for the Super Bowl winner means either Offense wins Championships or there are 31 shiity defenses in the NFL every year. You cannot have it both ways!
BTW, Larry it is you who is in denial, and we been through that a number of times, and yet you have never admitted I been cleaning your clock for a decade. The Browns record and my critiques as to why they would lose prove that. Listen up for once, you may learn about winning or just stay in denial.
I am not throwing the Browns management under the bus, I am just hoping some of them have the werewithal to start thinking like me so they lead a winner instead of perennial loser
Thanks Ghoolie, for being the only man in this whole debate
I sure hope one civil intelligent response is forthcoming, apologies accepted, quit lying Zombo it is disgusting
Larry smoke these statistics once more. In the first twenty years of the Browns in the NFL they drafted one offensive lineman in the first round in 1955 and he got cut. They made the playoffs five of the five years there was a playoff game in the sixties. They won the championship four times when there was no playoff and they were an offensive juggernaut all of those years. Since the rebirth they spent a fortune on free agents Lomas Brown, Jim Pyne, Orlando Brown, Tony Jones, Dave Wolabaugh, Shaun O'Hara, Ryan Tucker, Ross Verba, Raod Grader Garmon, Joe Andruzzi, Eric Steinbach and others. They spent the 1st round 21 pick on Jeff Faine, the first round 21 pick on Alex Mack, the first round, 3 pick on Joe Thomas, a third round pick Lavauo, a third round pick on Fowler and 5th round pick on Pontbriand.. For all those players chased and drafted we still stink on offense. Wolabaugh, O'hara, Fowler, Mack, Faine and Pontbriand are all centers all six of em. BTW, Faine and O'Hara and Brown and Oben all played in the Super Bowl for other teams two of left tackles and two em centers after we released them or in Faine's case traded him for nearly nothing. All startes and their teams one at least three of those Super Bowls. Like I said dime a dozen!
NO team in the NFL has spend higher drafts picks or more money on OL guys in the last 11 years than the Browns. Yet we have not had an offense worth a crap in any of those years.. Because we spent way too much buying an offensive line and not getting playmakers. Smoke that telling statisitc.
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You are supposed to be a mod, yet, ridiculously say I got smoked, for not answering Gipper and Cal and others , who tell lies about me spew insults, why should I respond, or to the Super Mod Zombo liar supreme, or Cal a third liar(albeit he did attempt to be civil and then resorted to lying) or the 13 year old buffoons who added nothing except their perception of my grandmothers sex habits. Especially, while being smoked as you say all I have done is be right 11 straight years while all of you have been wrong about everything 11 straight years.
Larry, you should be ashamed of yourself for insulting me for providing facts and data that is relevant while saluting rhetoric that proves nothing and saluting juvenile responses of some. Further Larry, Cal and Gipper should be admonished for perpetuating Zombo's lies and Diehard as well for acting like an ass again.. Sad all you senior members especially super mod and total Liar Zombo instead of admitting like Ghoolie so aptly said, that I been cleaning your clocks for ten years gettting and getting it correct repeatedly while you all have been wrong repeatedly.. You allowed my astute vision and understanding and education to you all of my correct view to be transformed into a slobber match of insults of which all you contributed while I stayed on topiic the whole time.. It is clear that none of you has enough fact or data to just counter my views but rather use insults and lies instead
For the idiots, whom none of you so called senior leaders and mods called out for being out of bounds, but rather jumped into and contributed to their dung fiinging, you are all a frigging joke and have no ability to discuss strategic impilications of winning
For those members who have the intellectual capability to actually sort the BS slung on the wall here because of my extraordinary canny and candid and winning views and whom are accepting that the herd is acting like fools and that my points are fact based and need to be considered strongly if the Browns ever hope to return to being a winning franchise, your consideration is appreciated.
31 Points a game for the Super Bowl winner means either Offense wins Championships or there are 31 shiity defenses in the NFL every year. You cannot have it both ways!
BTW, Larry it is you who is in denial, and we been through that a number of times, and yet you have never admitted I been cleaning your clock for a decade. The Browns record and my critiques as to why they would lose prove that. Listen up for once, you may learn about winning or just stay in denial.
I am not throwing the Browns management under the bus, I am just hoping some of them have the werewithal to start thinking like me so they lead a winner instead of perennial loser
Thanks Ghoolie, for being the only man in this whole debate
I sure hope one civil intelligent response is forthcoming, apologies accepted, quit lying Zombo it is disgusting
What a great post still waiting for a thinking mans reply who knows jack about football
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
FALSE!
Number of offensive lineman drafted in rounds 1, 2, or 3 since 1999 (look it up):
Pittsburgh: 8
New England: 7
Baltimore: 7
New Orleans: 6
Cleveland: 5
Do you ever actually use real statistics?
I wish you would take time to read what I said and use simple logic and understand we spent about 50 million signing free agents, maybe you would get it.. Further, I did enumerate just what you said about 5 picks, it is all in my recent post, boom I already knew that and it changes nothing.. But yu know the answer and refuse to attempt to understand what we have done to screw ourselves over and over. Acutally, I use all the statistics and you pick a bunch that are irrelevant, like teams loaded with talent can pick OL guys and teams defunct of talent no matter how many OL guys they pick and sign as free agents it becomes a revolving door of ineptitude
NOW READ WHAT I SAID AND THINK ABOUT WHAT TEAMS DO AND COME AND SLUR ME WITH ANOTHER STUPID STATEMENT AS LAST SINCE YOU COMPLETELY IGNORED THE IMPORTANT STATISTICS HOW MUCH YOU PAY FOR WHAT AND WHAT YOU GET
if you cannot make a rational retort.................please do insult my grandmother and create and support lies about a bet that never existed and do call me stupid..............and then you are officially what you already stated by accident a full fledged member of the cool aid drinking herd wjoch never thinks ebecause they know the answer without the question
thanks for your consideration and reply which ignored what I said but yet used simplicity to get the wrong answer
I wish you would take time to read what I said and use simple logic and understand we spent about 50 million signing free agents, maybe you would get it.. Further, I did enumerate just what you said about 5 picks, it is all in my recent post, boom I already knew that and it changes nothing.. But yu know the answer and refuse to attempt to understand what we have done to screw ourselves over and over. Acutally, I use all the statistics and you pick a bunch that are irrelevant, like teams loaded with talent can pick OL guys and teams defunct of talent no matter how many OL guys they pick and sign as free agents it becomes a revolving door of ineptitude
Wrong again! Teams loaded with talent spend high draft picks providing depth where it is needed. Sometimes that is the oline, sometimes it is something else. I will give you some more relevant facts and I'll watch you try and refute them again:
The Browns have drafted 5 lineman in the top 3 rounds since 1999. 3 of those guys were since 2007. Thank god our crappy management got Joe Thomas in 2007 and Alex Mack in 2009 or we would have absolutely nothing to show for the past decade. Heckert and Holmgren have only been a part of the 2010 and 2011 draft and have drafted outstanding compared to the crap since 1999. They are building blocks along with our 2010 and 2011 drafts..
The Steelers won Super Bowls in 2005-06, 2008-09, and lost last year (2010-11). Yes they have picked up some OL in high rounds recently, but they did so before they were a great team too:
1998 1st round Alan Faneca OG
1999 3rd round Kris Farris OT
2000 2nd round Marvel Smith OT
2002 1st round Kendall Simmons OG
2004 3rd round Max Starks OT
Noteable free agent agent OL signings:
1999 Wayne Gundy RT (former 1st round pick by the rams)
2001 Jeff Hartings C (former 1st rounder by the Lions)
OL for the 2005-06 Super Bowl:
Marvel Smith, Alan Faneca, Jeff Hardings, Kendall Simmons, Max Starks.
What do you know? Smith, Faneca, Hartings, and Simmons were all on the steelers line before Pittsburgh drafted Roethlisberger or Polamalu. So much for your theory of only drafting OL guys after you have a highly talented team. Please try again..
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@junkyard-dawg said:
And since i'm having a xxxxing blast owning the Stool trolls how about this. Let's take a list of the great minds in the NFL and see exactly where they fall, if it's with clinically Retarded homosexuals from bumf*ck Cacka-Lacky in the doublewide or the opposite end of the spectrum, shall we?
Paul Brown-
1950- OT John Sandusky, 2nd round
1954- OG John Bauer, 1st round
1955- Center Kurt Burris, 1st round
1958- OG Buzz Guy, 3rd round
1959- OT Dick Schafrath, 2nd round, OT Fran O'Brien, 3rd round
1961- OT Ed Nutting, 2nd round
1968- Center Bob Johnson, 1st round
1971- OT Vern Holland, 1st round, OG Steve Lawson, 2nd round
1974- OG Dave Laphan, 3rd round
1975- OT Al Krevis, 2nd round
1972- OG Glen Bujnoch, 2nd round
1978- Center Blair Bush, 1st round
1979- OG Barney Cotton, 3rd round
1980- OT Anthony Munoz, 1st round
1983- Center Dave Rimington, 1st round
1984- OT Brian Blados, 1st round
1989- OG Freddy Childress, 2nd round
Vince Lombardi-
1962- OG Ed Baine, 2nd round
1963- OT Tony Liscio, 3rd round
1966- OG Gale Gillingham, 1st round
1967- Center Bob Hyland, 1st round
1968- OG Bill Lueck, 1st round, OT Dick Himes, 3rd round
Yes for those keeping score Lombardi went Oline in round 1 THREE years in a row.
Tom Landry-
1965- Center Malcolm Walker, 2nd round
1966- OG John Niland, 1st round
1969- OG Halvor Hagen, 3rd round
1970- OT Bob Asher, 2nd round
1975- OG Burton Lawless, 2nd round
1976- OG Jim Eidson, 2nd round
1979- Center Robert Shaw, 1st round
1981- OT Howard Richards, 1st round, OG Glen Titensor, 3rd round
1985- OG Crawford Ker, 3rd round
1987- OG Jeff Zimmerman, 3rd round
Jimmy Johnson-
1989- OG Steve Wisniewski, 2nd round, Center Mark Stepnoski, 3rd round
1991- OT Erik Williams, 3rd round
1992- OT James Brown, 3rd round
Chuck Noll-
1969- OT Jon Kolb, 3rd round
1972- Gordon Gravelle, 2nd round
1973- OG Roger Bernhardt, 3rd round
1976- OT Ray Pinney, 2nd round
1981- Center Rick Donnalley, 3rd round
1985- OT Mark Behning, 2nd round
1986- OG John Reinstra, 1st round
1988- Center Dermontti Dawson, 2nd round, Center Chuck Lanza, 3rd round
1989- OG Tom Ricketts, 1st round
Bill Cowher-
1992- OT Leon Searcy, 1st round
1995- OG Brenden Stai, 3rd round
1996- OT Jamain Stephens, 1st round
1997- OT Paul Wiggins, 3rd round
1998- OG Alan Faneca, 1st round, OT Chris Conrad, 3rd round
1999- OT Chris Farris, 3rd round
2000- OT Marvell Smith, 2nd round
2002- OG Kendall Simmons, 1st round
2004- OT Max Starks, 3rd round
2005- OT Trai Essex, 3rd round
Bill Parcells-
1983- OT Karl Nelson, 3rd round
1984- OG William Roberts, 1st round
1985- Center Brian Johnston, 3rd round
1988- OT Eric Moore, 1st round, OT Jumbo Elliot, 2nd round
1989- Center Brian Williams, 1st round, OG Bob Kratch, 3rd round
1993- OT Todd Rucci, 2nd round
1994- Center Joe Burch, 3rd round
1999- OG Randy Thomas, 2nd round, OG David Loverne, 3rd round
2003- Center Al Johnson, 2nd round
2004- OT Jacob Rogers, 2nd round, OG Stephen Peterman, 3rd round
2008- OT Jake Long, 1st round
2010- OG John Jerry, 3rd round
Bill Belichick-
1991- OG Ed King, 2nd round
1993- Center Steve Everitt, 1st round
2000- OT Adrian Klemm, 2nd round
2001- OT Matt Light, 2nd round
2005- OG Logan Mankins, 1st round, OT Nick Kazcur, 3rd round
2009- OT Sebastian Vollmer, 2nd round
2011- OT Nate Solder, 1st round
The above list? That's the greatest minds in the NFL laughing at you and telling you you're f*cking clueless Shortbus2HeinzField. Consider yourself schooled featherweight.
unfortunately your list is bogus as Curt Burris was drafted as LB.................now spew some other shit.......................meanwhile answer my fact filled post ASSHOLEand yes asshole why are you quoting other than first round picks which was my subject in the fifties and sixties....other being what you are a complete asshole defecting and lying about my premise
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@junkyard-dawg said:
And since i'm having a xxxxing blast owning the Stool trolls how about this. Let's take a list of the great minds in the NFL and see exactly where they fall, if it's with clinically Retarded homosexuals from bumf*ck Cacka-Lacky in the doublewide or the opposite end of the spectrum, shall we?
Paul Brown-
1950- OT John Sandusky, 2nd round
1954- OG John Bauer, 1st round
1955- Center Kurt Burris, 1st round
1958- OG Buzz Guy, 3rd round
1959- OT Dick Schafrath, 2nd round, OT Fran O'Brien, 3rd round
1961- OT Ed Nutting, 2nd round
1968- Center Bob Johnson, 1st round
1971- OT Vern Holland, 1st round, OG Steve Lawson, 2nd round
1974- OG Dave Laphan, 3rd round
1975- OT Al Krevis, 2nd round
1972- OG Glen Bujnoch, 2nd round
1978- Center Blair Bush, 1st round
1979- OG Barney Cotton, 3rd round
1980- OT Anthony Munoz, 1st round
1983- Center Dave Rimington, 1st round
1984- OT Brian Blados, 1st round
1989- OG Freddy Childress, 2nd round
Vince Lombardi-
1962- OG Ed Baine, 2nd round
1963- OT Tony Liscio, 3rd round
1966- OG Gale Gillingham, 1st round
1967- Center Bob Hyland, 1st round
1968- OG Bill Lueck, 1st round, OT Dick Himes, 3rd round
Yes for those keeping score Lombardi went Oline in round 1 THREE years in a row.
Tom Landry-
1965- Center Malcolm Walker, 2nd round
1966- OG John Niland, 1st round
1969- OG Halvor Hagen, 3rd round
1970- OT Bob Asher, 2nd round
1975- OG Burton Lawless, 2nd round
1976- OG Jim Eidson, 2nd round
1979- Center Robert Shaw, 1st round
1981- OT Howard Richards, 1st round, OG Glen Titensor, 3rd round
1985- OG Crawford Ker, 3rd round
1987- OG Jeff Zimmerman, 3rd round
Jimmy Johnson-
1989- OG Steve Wisniewski, 2nd round, Center Mark Stepnoski, 3rd round
1991- OT Erik Williams, 3rd round
1992- OT James Brown, 3rd round
Chuck Noll-
1969- OT Jon Kolb, 3rd round
1972- Gordon Gravelle, 2nd round
1973- OG Roger Bernhardt, 3rd round
1976- OT Ray Pinney, 2nd round
1981- Center Rick Donnalley, 3rd round
1985- OT Mark Behning, 2nd round
1986- OG John Reinstra, 1st round
1988- Center Dermontti Dawson, 2nd round, Center Chuck Lanza, 3rd round
1989- OG Tom Ricketts, 1st round
Bill Cowher-
1992- OT Leon Searcy, 1st round
1995- OG Brenden Stai, 3rd round
1996- OT Jamain Stephens, 1st round
1997- OT Paul Wiggins, 3rd round
1998- OG Alan Faneca, 1st round, OT Chris Conrad, 3rd round
1999- OT Chris Farris, 3rd round
2000- OT Marvell Smith, 2nd round
2002- OG Kendall Simmons, 1st round
2004- OT Max Starks, 3rd round
2005- OT Trai Essex, 3rd round
Bill Parcells-
1983- OT Karl Nelson, 3rd round
1984- OG William Roberts, 1st round
1985- Center Brian Johnston, 3rd round
1988- OT Eric Moore, 1st round, OT Jumbo Elliot, 2nd round
1989- Center Brian Williams, 1st round, OG Bob Kratch, 3rd round
1993- OT Todd Rucci, 2nd round
1994- Center Joe Burch, 3rd round
1999- OG Randy Thomas, 2nd round, OG David Loverne, 3rd round
2003- Center Al Johnson, 2nd round
2004- OT Jacob Rogers, 2nd round, OG Stephen Peterman, 3rd round
2008- OT Jake Long, 1st round
2010- OG John Jerry, 3rd round
Bill Belichick-
1991- OG Ed King, 2nd round
1993- Center Steve Everitt, 1st round
2000- OT Adrian Klemm, 2nd round
2001- OT Matt Light, 2nd round
2005- OG Logan Mankins, 1st round, OT Nick Kazcur, 3rd round
2009- OT Sebastian Vollmer, 2nd round
2011- OT Nate Solder, 1st round
The above list? That's the greatest minds in the NFL laughing at you and telling you you're f*cking clueless Shortbus2HeinzField. Consider yourself schooled featherweight.
unfortunately your list is bogus as Curt Burris was drafted as LB.................now spew some other shit.......................meanwhile answer my fact filled post ASSHOLEand yes asshole why are you quoting other than first round picks which was my subject in the fifties and sixties....other being what you are a complete asshole defecting and lying about my premise
unfortunately your list is bogus as Curt Burris was drafted as LB.................now spew some other shit.......................meanwhile answer my fact filled post ASSHOLEand yes asshole why are you quoting other than first round picks which was my subject in the fifties and sixties....other being what you are a complete asshole defecting and lying about my premise
Actually he was drafted as a Center: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955_NFL_Draft
Do you know anything about football?
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unfortunately your list is bogus as Curt Burris was drafted as LB.................now spew some other shit.......................meanwhile answer my fact filled post ASSHOLEand yes asshole why are you quoting other than first round picks which was my subject in the fifties and sixties....other being what you are a complete asshole defecting and lying about my premise
Actually he was drafted as a Center: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955_NFL_Draft
Do you know anything about football?
Actually he was drafted as a Center: http://en.wikipedia..../1955_NFL_Draft
Do you know anything about football?
he was drafted as LB so what is your point about knowing football and which of the aforementioned players ever won the NFL SUPER BOWL MVP.................
CASE CLOSED.......................being stupid is easy getting intelligent is a challenge.........................we in Brownstown elicit stupid all day long as this thread surmises..................except for the the two the proud the bold the courages.................Ghoolie and I....................meanwhile assholes bathe in stupidity...............any intelligent answer will be answered until then keep spewing stupids
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Actually he was drafted as a Center: http://en.wikipedia..../1955_NFL_Draft
Do you know anything about football?
he was drafted as LB so what is your point about knowing football and which of the aforementioned players ever won the NFL SUPER BOWL MVP.................
CASE CLOSED.......................being stupid is easy getting intelligent is a challenge.........................we in Brownstown elicit stupid all day long as this thread surmises..................except for the the two the proud the bold the courages.................Ghoolie and I....................meanwhile assholes bathe in stupidity...............any intelligent answer will be answered until then keep spewing stupids
he was drafted as LB so what is your point about knowing football and which of the aforementioned players ever won the NFL SUPER BOWL MVP.................
CASE CLOSED.......................being stupid is easy getting intelligent is a challenge.........................we in Brownstown elicit stupid all day long as this thread surmises..................except for the the two the proud the bold the courages.................Ghoolie and I....................meanwhile assholes bathe in stupidity...............any intelligent answer will be answered until then keep spewing stupids
You haven't provided any true facts in this entire thread. I am still waiting for you to refute my previous claims (even though it can't be done).
And how many players win an NFL Super Bowl MVP? Not many. Way to bring in more irrelevant information. We are talking about how having a great offensive line is crucial to a team's success. No one said to hand out an MVP to a lineman. QB's win the award 9/10 anyway. Is the QB position the most important on the field? Yes. Does that make every other position unimportant? Of course not.. Check my previous post to see the type of line Roethisberger had when he won his first Super Bowl. Or just continue to ignore actual facts..
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So whats the verdict? How much do you guys spend on that Oline? I didnt read the whole thread. I will tell you what though, money usually equals talent, and it all starts up front.
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So whats the verdict? How much do you guys spend on that Oline? I didnt read the whole thread. I will tell you what though, money usually equals talent, and it all starts up front.
So whats the verdict? How much do you guys spend on that Oline? I didnt read the whole thread. I will tell you what though, money usually equals talent, and it all starts up front.
We just signed Joe Thomas (LT) to a 7 year, 84 million dollar contract with 44 million guaranteed. Outside of that, we have spent virtually nothing on the rest of the line.. Thomas is a pro bowler every year and just may be the best LT in the game so this isn't a bad move. He was at the end of his contract and if we let him go, our OL would be 10 times worse than it is now..
There are a couple guys on here that believe offensive lineman are a dime a dozen and are only drafted in the first few rounds after a team is a Super Bowl contender. In other words, they feel that lineman are fat slobs worth nothing to a team. Feel free to weigh in..
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Sure Rich by your logic, every GM in the NFL is stupid, and you aren't. Therefore.... offensive dime a dozen linemen should NEVER get drafted in the first two rounds, yet they do EVERY YEAR. And why is that Rich? Because just like quarterbacks, running backs, and wide receivers- the really good ones are NOT dime a dozen.
And the highly drafted ones can flop as badly as anyone at the skill positions. Tony Mandarich was a big a bust as Ryan Leaf.
Larry, you keep missing it.. Every GM is not stupid, the smart GM's like me understand how to win. You get a franchise QB and franchise set of skill players who score points and then disruptive players on defense and when that is all done you get OL guys, When you are really good at filling those needs and building a championship franchise you at times have the luxury of expending top pics on OL guys occasionally. That is the MO of the Steelers, Patriots, Colts, NO and Packers and every other long standing championship caliber team. So please do not lump every GM in the league into the dumb by saying they all start a team by building an OL.... The winners and smart GMS do just the opposite build the OL after you have the folks that make points..
We on the other hand have been passing on potential game breakers like Adrian Peterson for years to get OL guys with first round picks and then scoring 6 points a game and missing the playoffs each and every year. Go through the 12 year recent history of the Browns and you will see we wasted a lot of picks on OL guys. We drafted O'Hara cut him to draft Faine with a one pick and then cut Faine and drafted Mack with a one pick. Faine and O"hara both made it to the Super Bowl after we drafted them and we make it to the toilet bowl with three high first round OL guys.
One can lead the horse to water but not make him drink it...................and you cannot turn a plow horse into a race horse...................and that is exactly what the OL is the plow horses of football.................a dime a dozen
Larry, you keep missing it.. Every GM is not stupid, the smart GM's like me understand how to win. You get a franchise QB and franchise set of skill players who score points and then disruptive players on defense and when that is all done you get OL guys, When you are really good at filling those needs and building a championship franchise you at times have the luxury of expending top pics on OL guys occasionally. That is the MO of the Steelers, Patriots, Colts, NO and Packers and every other long standing championship caliber team. So please do not lump every GM in the league into the dumb by saying they all start a team by building an OL.... The winners and smart GMS do just the opposite build the OL after you have the folks that make points..
We on the other hand have been passing on potential game breakers like Adrian Peterson for years to get OL guys with first round picks and then scoring 6 points a game and missing the playoffs each and every year. Go through the 12 year recent history of the Browns and you will see we wasted a lot of picks on OL guys. We drafted O'Hara cut him to draft Faine with a one pick and then cut Faine and drafted Mack with a one pick. Faine and O"hara both made it to the Super Bowl after we drafted them and we make it to the toilet bowl with three high first round OL guys.
One can lead the horse to water but not make him drink it...................and you cannot turn a plow horse into a race horse...................and that is exactly what the OL is the plow horses of football.................a dime a dozen
If what you say is true, the joey harrington lead lions shoulda been a helluva good team. Nice qb, they used just about every high pick on playmakers from what I recall BUT THEY WEREN'T SH*T! Why? Because every time they hiked the ball harrington was gettin peeled off the carpet BECAUSE THEIR O LINE SUCKED! And the team sucked playmakers and all! Your a moron
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Larry, you keep missing it.. Every GM is not stupid, the smart GM's like me understand how to win. You get a franchise QB and franchise set of skill players who score points and then disruptive players on defense and when that is all done you get OL guys, When you are really good at filling those needs and building a championship franchise you at times have the luxury of expending top pics on OL guys occasionally. That is the MO of the Steelers
BS Rich. That was NEVER the MO of the Steelers. The QB was the LAST piece of the puzzle the Steelers added. They had their complete defense in place, their RBs, WRs, and most of their OL. They were able to have a 15-1 record with a rookie QB.
SMART GMs don't risk getting their meal ticket franchise quarterbacks pulverized behind suspect o-lines either. Go look up the qb sacks\ knockdowns stats- it's a fair indicator of a teams record. Rothlisberger may not last the year the way he's getting creamed, because outside of Pouncey, their o-line got neglected. BTW, if your premise were true Rich, those winning genius GM wouldn't be wasting high picks on offensive linemen regardless- they'd be praying they could get lucky like the Colts did when they landed Jeff Saturday as an UFA, and drafting even more skilled position players.
We ruined Couch getting him killed behind a suspect o-line. Ask Sam Bradford how he likes going out there and getting beat up every Sunday because his o-line sucks. And Rothlisberger was the LAST piece of the puzzle, as Gipper said. Unless Rich is referring to Bradshaw, who's lucky he didn't get paralyzed when Turkey Jones gave him a WWF piledriver into the turf. Green Bay had the luxury of sitting Rodgers behind Farve for years- that's a rarity in today's NFL. The Saints picked up Brees as the last piece of the puzzle too, IIRC. Troy Aikman had his career shortened by the concussions he took his first couple years in Dallas because his line couldn't protect him.
And the chain is as strong as it's weakest link. Teams aren't going to bother testing Joe Thomas or Alex Mack- why should they? Any defensive coordinator with half a brain is going to attack Pinkston, Lauvao, and Pashos. I rewatched the game, and I don't think I saw the Browns o-line give McCoy a classic Peyton Manning bulletproof pocket once.
SMART GMs don't risk getting their meal ticket franchise quarterbacks pulverized behind suspect o-lines either. Go look up the qb sacks\ knockdowns stats- it's a fair indicator of a teams record. Rothlisberger may not last the year the way he's getting creamed, because outside of Pouncey, their o-line got neglected. BTW, if your premise were true Rich, those winning genius GM wouldn't be wasting high picks on offensive linemen regardless- they'd be praying they could get lucky like the Colts did when they landed Jeff Saturday as an UFA, and drafting even more skilled position players.
We ruined Couch getting him killed behind a suspect o-line. Ask Sam Bradford how he likes going out there and getting beat up every Sunday because his o-line sucks. And Rothlisberger was the LAST piece of the puzzle, as Gipper said. Unless Rich is referring to Bradshaw, who's lucky he didn't get paralyzed when Turkey Jones gave him a WWF piledriver into the turf. Green Bay had the luxury of sitting Rodgers behind Farve for years- that's a rarity in today's NFL. The Saints picked up Brees as the last piece of the puzzle too, IIRC. Troy Aikman had his career shortened by the concussions he took his first couple years in Dallas because his line couldn't protect him.
And the chain is as strong as it's weakest link. Teams aren't going to bother testing Joe Thomas or Alex Mack- why should they? Any defensive coordinator with half a brain is going to attack Pinkston, Lauvao, and Pashos. I rewatched the game, and I don't think I saw the Browns o-line give McCoy a classic Peyton Manning bulletproof pocket once.
EXACTAMUNDO +1
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Oh well, at least do some research before running your herpes infested cock holster Stooler boy.
LMAO!! THAT'S FRIGGIN HILLARIOUS! HAHAHAHAHA
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So whats the verdict? How much do you guys spend on that Oline? I didnt read the whole thread. I will tell you what though, money usually equals talent, and it all starts up front.
We just signed Joe Thomas (LT) to a 7 year, 84 million dollar contract with 44 million guaranteed. Outside of that, we have spent virtually nothing on the rest of the line.. Thomas is a pro bowler every year and just may be the best LT in the game so this isn't a bad move. He was at the end of his contract and if we let him go, our OL would be 10 times worse than it is now..
There are a couple guys on here that believe offensive lineman are a dime a dozen and are only drafted in the first few rounds after a team is a Super Bowl contender. In other words, they feel that lineman are fat slobs worth nothing to a team. Feel free to weigh in..
We just signed Joe Thomas (LT) to a 7 year, 84 million dollar contract with 44 million guaranteed. Outside of that, we have spent virtually nothing on the rest of the line.. Thomas is a pro bowler every year and just may be the best LT in the game so this isn't a bad move. He was at the end of his contract and if we let him go, our OL would be 10 times worse than it is now..
There are a couple guys on here that believe offensive lineman are a dime a dozen and are only drafted in the first few rounds after a team is a Super Bowl contender. In other words, they feel that lineman are fat slobs worth nothing to a team. Feel free to weigh in..
I`d love to weigh in....
I have a prime example for you and its my beloved 49ers who I know everything about. Let me lay it out for you. The 49ers have been struggling with the offensive line for years. We had guys that could run block very well but they were a liability in pass protection. Namely guys like the piano playing Kwame Harris who was a bear in the run game, but he led the team in surrendered sacks every year and even when he didnt allow the sack he might as well have. He just forced the qb into the arms of another defender. We also had a huge hole at LG once Larry Allen retired. It was a void that was hard to fill. In Allens first year as a 49er Gore rushed for a career high 1695 yds mostly behind the future hall of famer. Then once he was gone, we were stuck at LG and our young promising RT(Kwame) never took that step. After many patch jobs and band aids the 49ers finally had enough. In the 2010 draft they had two first round picks and they made an unprecedented move. They drafted two offensive lineman in the first rd. That is unheard of in todays football world. We actually even traded up from the 13th pick to the 11th pick to draft RT Anthony Davis. Then just a few picks later(pick #17 first rd) they drafted LG Mike Iupati who was considered by most pundits to be the best Olineman in the draft.
Last year we took some lumps because we started two rookies on the offensive line. Not only that but we moved our backup gaurd David Baas to center last year do to an injury to our starting center (Eric Heitman). So last year we had 2 rookies and a guy who hadnt played center since college. Which at the time had been about 3 or 4 years.
Fast forward to this year if you will. We havent made many significant additions and our personnel is very similar to last year. The obvious difference is, The play of the offensive line. Last Years 2 rookies and previous 1st round pick Joe Staley are all playing at a high level and allowing the offense time to perform. We also added pro bowl Center Jonathan Goodwin from the Saints after we lost Baas in FA. Point is, we have invested a ton in our offensive line and its paying off big time.
If the Line doesnt open up Holes then you cant run, And if the Line cant protect then you wont have time to complete a pass. I could complete a 20 yd pass if you give me time!
Games are won and lost in the trenches... My lousy 2 cents!
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And STILL, even though Rich is completely wrong, and cherrypicking nonsense to support his nonsense.....
he is a way better poster than Ghoolie.
Tip of the hat, Rich !
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well done dawg! That rich is considered doing your homework. Game set match. There is no more tomorrow as far as im concerned for this post and it's ridiculous title.@junkyard-dawg said:
And since i'm having a xxxxing blast owning the Stool trolls how about this. Let's take a list of the great minds in the NFL and see exactly where they fall, if it's with clinically Retarded homosexuals from bumf*ck Cacka-Lacky in the doublewide or the opposite end of the spectrum, shall we?
Paul Brown-
1950- OT John Sandusky, 2nd round
1954- OG John Bauer, 1st round
1955- Center Kurt Burris, 1st round
1958- OG Buzz Guy, 3rd round
1959- OT Dick Schafrath, 2nd round, OT Fran O'Brien, 3rd round
1961- OT Ed Nutting, 2nd round
1968- Center Bob Johnson, 1st round
1971- OT Vern Holland, 1st round, OG Steve Lawson, 2nd round
1974- OG Dave Laphan, 3rd round
1975- OT Al Krevis, 2nd round
1972- OG Glen Bujnoch, 2nd round
1978- Center Blair Bush, 1st round
1979- OG Barney Cotton, 3rd round
1980- OT Anthony Munoz, 1st round
1983- Center Dave Rimington, 1st round
1984- OT Brian Blados, 1st round
1989- OG Freddy Childress, 2nd round
Vince Lombardi-
1962- OG Ed Baine, 2nd round
1963- OT Tony Liscio, 3rd round
1966- OG Gale Gillingham, 1st round
1967- Center Bob Hyland, 1st round
1968- OG Bill Lueck, 1st round, OT Dick Himes, 3rd round
Yes for those keeping score Lombardi went Oline in round 1 THREE years in a row.
Tom Landry-
1965- Center Malcolm Walker, 2nd round
1966- OG John Niland, 1st round
1969- OG Halvor Hagen, 3rd round
1970- OT Bob Asher, 2nd round
1975- OG Burton Lawless, 2nd round
1976- OG Jim Eidson, 2nd round
1979- Center Robert Shaw, 1st round
1981- OT Howard Richards, 1st round, OG Glen Titensor, 3rd round
1985- OG Crawford Ker, 3rd round
1987- OG Jeff Zimmerman, 3rd round
Jimmy Johnson-
1989- OG Steve Wisniewski, 2nd round, Center Mark Stepnoski, 3rd round
1991- OT Erik Williams, 3rd round
1992- OT James Brown, 3rd round
Chuck Noll-
1969- OT Jon Kolb, 3rd round
1972- Gordon Gravelle, 2nd round
1973- OG Roger Bernhardt, 3rd round
1976- OT Ray Pinney, 2nd round
1981- Center Rick Donnalley, 3rd round
1985- OT Mark Behning, 2nd round
1986- OG John Reinstra, 1st round
1988- Center Dermontti Dawson, 2nd round, Center Chuck Lanza, 3rd round
1989- OG Tom Ricketts, 1st round
Bill Cowher-
1992- OT Leon Searcy, 1st round
1995- OG Brenden Stai, 3rd round
1996- OT Jamain Stephens, 1st round
1997- OT Paul Wiggins, 3rd round
1998- OG Alan Faneca, 1st round, OT Chris Conrad, 3rd round
1999- OT Chris Farris, 3rd round
2000- OT Marvell Smith, 2nd round
2002- OG Kendall Simmons, 1st round
2004- OT Max Starks, 3rd round
2005- OT Trai Essex, 3rd round
Bill Parcells-
1983- OT Karl Nelson, 3rd round
1984- OG William Roberts, 1st round
1985- Center Brian Johnston, 3rd round
1988- OT Eric Moore, 1st round, OT Jumbo Elliot, 2nd round
1989- Center Brian Williams, 1st round, OG Bob Kratch, 3rd round
1993- OT Todd Rucci, 2nd round
1994- Center Joe Burch, 3rd round
1999- OG Randy Thomas, 2nd round, OG David Loverne, 3rd round
2003- Center Al Johnson, 2nd round
2004- OT Jacob Rogers, 2nd round, OG Stephen Peterman, 3rd round
2008- OT Jake Long, 1st round
2010- OG John Jerry, 3rd round
Bill Belichick-
1991- OG Ed King, 2nd round
1993- Center Steve Everitt, 1st round
2000- OT Adrian Klemm, 2nd round
2001- OT Matt Light, 2nd round
2005- OG Logan Mankins, 1st round, OT Nick Kazcur, 3rd round
2009- OT Sebastian Vollmer, 2nd round
2011- OT Nate Solder, 1st round
The above list? That's the greatest minds in the NFL laughing at you and telling you you're f*cking clueless Shortbus2HeinzField. Consider yourself schooled featherweight.
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rich4eagle is nothing more than a Fing follower. he has no clue what to do with his life if he doesn't have someone telling him what to do, where to go, who to suck off......
you are an embarrassment to any person that has a spine.
does your grandmother hear you in the basement when you cry?
rich4eagle is nothing more than a Fing follower. he has no clue what to do with his life if he doesn't have someone telling him what to do, where to go, who to suck off......
you are an embarrassment to any person that has a spine.
does your grandmother hear you in the basement when you cry?
I myself wonder if rich and ghoolie are lovers, cuz they sure do jock the sh*t out of each other.........rich and I said this ghoolie and I said that, flippin homos I tell ya
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Larry, you keep missing it.. Every GM is not stupid, the smart GM's like me understand how to win. You get a franchise QB and franchise set of skill players who score points and then disruptive players on defense and when that is all done you get OL guys, When you are really good at filling those needs and building a championship franchise you at times have the luxury of expending top pics on OL guys occasionally. That is the MO of the Steelers, Patriots, Colts, NO and Packers and every other long standing championship caliber team. So please do not lump every GM in the league into the dumb by saying they all start a team by building an OL.... The winners and smart GMS do just the opposite build the OL after you have the folks that make points..
We on the other hand have been passing on potential game breakers like Adrian Peterson for years to get OL guys with first round picks and then scoring 6 points a game and missing the playoffs each and every year. Go through the 12 year recent history of the Browns and you will see we wasted a lot of picks on OL guys. We drafted O'Hara cut him to draft Faine with a one pick and then cut Faine and drafted Mack with a one pick. Faine and O"hara both made it to the Super Bowl after we drafted them and we make it to the toilet bowl with three high first round OL guys.
One can lead the horse to water but not make him drink it...................and you cannot turn a plow horse into a race horse...................and that is exactly what the OL is the plow horses of football.................a dime a dozen
If what you say is true, the joey harrington lead lions shoulda been a helluva good team. Nice qb, they used just about every high pick on playmakers from what I recall BUT THEY WEREN'T SH*T! Why? Because every time they hiked the ball harrington was gettin peeled off the carpet BECAUSE THEIR O LINE SUCKED! And the team sucked playmakers and all! Your a moron
If what you say is true, the joey harrington lead lions shoulda been a helluva good team. Nice qb, they used just about every high pick on playmakers from what I recall BUT THEY WEREN'T SH*T! Why? Because every time they hiked the ball harrington was gettin peeled off the carpet BECAUSE THEIR O LINE SUCKED! And the team sucked playmakers and all! Your a moron
I already tried that tack, and it went right over Rich's head. Bradford is one step away from IR because his O-line can't protect him. Kolb, Beanie Wells, and Fitzgerald should be THE Bomb if all it took was playmakers.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Actually Larry, your logic and analogy is hugely flawed.
Look at the results man, 3 - 3 against high school teams and a record that won't exceed 5 - 11. 3 - 13 is not out of the question.
Holmgren blows.
Actually Tom, I've been right about as many times as Rich in the draft category- but I don't blow my f**king horn about it.
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We just signed Joe Thomas (LT) to a 7 year, 84 million dollar contract with 44 million guaranteed. Outside of that, we have spent virtually nothing on the rest of the line.. Thomas is a pro bowler every year and just may be the best LT in the game so this isn't a bad move. He was at the end of his contract and if we let him go, our OL would be 10 times worse than it is now..
There are a couple guys on here that believe offensive lineman are a dime a dozen and are only drafted in the first few rounds after a team is a Super Bowl contender. In other words, they feel that lineman are fat slobs worth nothing to a team. Feel free to weigh in..
I`d love to weigh in....
I have a prime example for you and its my beloved 49ers who I know everything about. Let me lay it out for you. The 49ers have been struggling with the offensive line for years. We had guys that could run block very well but they were a liability in pass protection. Namely guys like the piano playing Kwame Harris who was a bear in the run game, but he led the team in surrendered sacks every year and even when he didnt allow the sack he might as well have. He just forced the qb into the arms of another defender. We also had a huge hole at LG once Larry Allen retired. It was a void that was hard to fill. In Allens first year as a 49er Gore rushed for a career high 1695 yds mostly behind the future hall of famer. Then once he was gone, we were stuck at LG and our young promising RT(Kwame) never took that step. After many patch jobs and band aids the 49ers finally had enough. In the 2010 draft they had two first round picks and they made an unprecedented move. They drafted two offensive lineman in the first rd. That is unheard of in todays football world. We actually even traded up from the 13th pick to the 11th pick to draft RT Anthony Davis. Then just a few picks later(pick #17 first rd) they drafted LG Mike Iupati who was considered by most pundits to be the best Olineman in the draft.
Last year we took some lumps because we started two rookies on the offensive line. Not only that but we moved our backup gaurd David Baas to center last year do to an injury to our starting center (Eric Heitman). So last year we had 2 rookies and a guy who hadnt played center since college. Which at the time had been about 3 or 4 years.
Fast forward to this year if you will. We havent made many significant additions and our personnel is very similar to last year. The obvious difference is, The play of the offensive line. Last Years 2 rookies and previous 1st round pick Joe Staley are all playing at a high level and allowing the offense time to perform. We also added pro bowl Center Jonathan Goodwin from the Saints after we lost Baas in FA. Point is, we have invested a ton in our offensive line and its paying off big time.
If the Line doesnt open up Holes then you cant run, And if the Line cant protect then you wont have time to complete a pass. I could complete a 20 yd pass if you give me time!
Games are won and lost in the trenches... My lousy 2 cents!
Games are won and lost in the trenches... My lousy 2 cents!
I believe Vince Lombardi said the same thing- too bad Rich doesn't believe it.
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