Would You Trade Away The Load For?
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If the Browns could guarentee RG3 and Blackmon with two 10 ten picks this year what would we be really willing to give up?
I would give Tampa Bay 5 Picks for their 5th Pick this year
Atlantas First round pick we own
Our 2nd Round Pick
Our 3rd Round Pick
And next Years First and 3rd
Personally i can't see Tampa saying no thanks, Browns fans i think a majority would do it also, (Unless your Ghoolie Gip or Hoorta) who wouldn't trade a draft pick even if it meant Jesus was coming to the browns lol. We would have to touch Free Agency this year also based on the CBA the NFL set on, so i can only come to the conclusion the browns can address bringing a stud to Cleveland with that in place.
Price just right for their pick this year or do you think i am shooting to high?
PS. This is only if Both RG3 and Blackmon are on the board when we come up at 4.
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Thank god your not GM... LOL
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Thank god your not GM... LOL
Thank god your not GM... LOL
You must've thought we did well this year on offense i agree with you 100% !!!
Edit this a little so you can understand the scope of this.
Browns Receiving touchdowns combined from WR TE RB in 2011 16 Touchdowns
Justin Blackmon 2010 had 1782 yards 20 Touchdowns 2011 1522 Yards 18 Touchdowns
Colt Mccoy had 2700 yards and 14 Touchdowns 11 Ints this season.
RG3 4293 Yards 37 Touchdowns 6 Ints and Runs like Micheal Vick.
Ya thank God i am not the GM for the browns my team would score points.
In Cleveland failure is an artform. -
Thank god your not GM... LOL
You must've thought we did well this year on offense i agree with you 100% !!!
Edit this a little so you can understand the scope of this.
Browns Receiving touchdowns combined from WR TE RB in 2011 16 Touchdowns
Justin Blackmon 2010 had 1782 yards 20 Touchdowns 2011 1522 Yards 18 Touchdowns
Colt Mccoy had 2700 yards and 14 Touchdowns 11 Ints this season.
RG3 4293 Yards 37 Touchdowns 6 Ints and Runs like Micheal Vick.
Ya thank God i am not the GM for the browns my team would score points.
You must've thought we did well this year on offense i agree with you 100% !!!
No but I think if we spent those 2 first rounders, the second and the 2 thirds on offensive players. We would be much more improved than just taking RG3 and Blackmon.
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You must've thought we did well this year on offense i agree with you 100% !!!
No but I think if we spent those 2 first rounders, the second and the 2 thirds on offensive players. We would be much more improved than just taking RG3 and Blackmon.
No but I think if we spent those 2 first rounders, the second and the 2 thirds on offensive players. We would be much more improved than just taking RG3 and Blackmon.
Read my edit and i don't think you get the value of a 2nd or 3rd round player at all compared to these guys.
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I wouldn't make a Falcon like trade to move up and take Blackmon. If they are both there we just make the decision. We either take RGIII and a WR with the next first round pick, take Blackmon, or trade back a few spots and take Richardson.
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I wouldn't make a Falcon like trade to move up and take Blackmon. If they are both there we just make the decision. We either take RGIII and a WR with the next first round pick, take Blackmon, or trade back a few spots and take Richardson.
I wouldn't make a Falcon like trade to move up and take Blackmon. If they are both there we just make the decision. We either take RGIII and a WR with the next first round pick, take Blackmon, or trade back a few spots and take Richardson.
So knowing you could get a Vick/C.Johnson type duo you don't pull the trigger? ouch we gotta make moves to improve if anyone forgot we went 5-11 5-11 and 4-12 the last 3 years and the offensive roster hasn't flowed yet i think we need to cut the fat and start grabbing you can't tell me next year will be another 4-6 win team so we can rebuild for 2013 it just sickens me to a pulp we would accept it again.
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No but I think if we spent those 2 first rounders, the second and the 2 thirds on offensive players. We would be much more improved than just taking RG3 and Blackmon.
Read my edit and i don't think you get the value of a 2nd or 3rd round player at all compared to these guys.
Read my edit and i don't think you get the value of a 2nd or 3rd round player at all compared to these guys.
Desmond Howard 19 receiving touchdowns for Michigan
9 years in the NFL and he caught 7
Your edit means nothing
How many TD's did Colt McCoy have in college? Didn't he break records?
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Read my edit and i don't think you get the value of a 2nd or 3rd round player at all compared to these guys.
Desmond Howard 19 receiving touchdowns for Michigan
9 years in the NFL and he caught 7
Your edit means nothing
How many TD's did Colt McCoy have in college? Didn't he break records?
Desmond Howard 19 receiving touchdowns for Michigan
9 years in the NFL and he caught 7
Your edit means nothing
How many TD's did Colt McCoy have in college? Didn't he break records?
Based on your logic than every player would fucking suck?
Did you see Colt Mccoy go in the top 5? Top 10? hmm maybe the first 20? uhh NO and for a dam reason records didn't mean anything NFL Transition does.
Desmond Howard Won the Heisman and Superbowl MVP and everyone knows he was a Return monster in the NFL way to hate on him.
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Desmond Howard 19 receiving touchdowns for Michigan
9 years in the NFL and he caught 7
Your edit means nothing
How many TD's did Colt McCoy have in college? Didn't he break records?
Based on your logic than every player would fucking suck?
Did you see Colt Mccoy go in the top 5? Top 10? hmm maybe the first 20? uhh NO and for a dam reason records didn't mean anything NFL Transition does.
Desmond Howard Won the Heisman and Superbowl MVP and everyone knows he was a Return monster in the NFL way to hate on him.
Based on your logic than every player would fucking suck?
Did you see Colt Mccoy go in the top 5? Top 10? hmm maybe the first 20? uhh NO and for a dam reason records didn't mean anything NFL Transition does.
Desmond Howard Won the Heisman and Superbowl MVP and everyone knows he was a Return monster in the NFL way to hate on him.
Based on your logic everybody who has great stats in college are gonna be automatic game changers at the next level.
See I can say the same thing
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There is a reason Atlanta gave us 5 of their picks for Julio Jones. Because they felt that they were 1 offensive playmaker away from Super Bowl contention. A 4-12 teams does not trade away picks because they have way too many holes to fix and need all the draft picks to acquire lots of young talent. If the Browns do any trading, it will be trading down for more draft picks..
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I wouldn't make a Falcon like trade to move up and take Blackmon. If they are both there we just make the decision. We either take RGIII and a WR with the next first round pick, take Blackmon, or trade back a few spots and take Richardson.
So knowing you could get a Vick/C.Johnson type duo you don't pull the trigger? ouch we gotta make moves to improve if anyone forgot we went 5-11 5-11 and 4-12 the last 3 years and the offensive roster hasn't flowed yet i think we need to cut the fat and start grabbing you can't tell me next year will be another 4-6 win team so we can rebuild for 2013 it just sickens me to a pulp we would accept it again.
So knowing you could get a Vick/C.Johnson type duo you don't pull the trigger? ouch we gotta make moves to improve if anyone forgot we went 5-11 5-11 and 4-12 the last 3 years and the offensive roster hasn't flowed yet i think we need to cut the fat and start grabbing you can't tell me next year will be another 4-6 win team so we can rebuild for 2013 it just sickens me to a pulp we would accept it again.
Not not when we can just settle with a Vick/Jackson type combination in RGIII and Wright. The reason Atlanta could sell the farm to take Jones was because they felt he was their final piece to go to the Super Bowl this year. The Browns are not a QB and a WR away from the super bowl, or the playoffs, or even going 8-8. We still need a FS, CB, 1 or 2 OLB, DE, RT, RG, WR, RB?, and a QB. The QB needs to be at least top 10 in the league, the WR needs to be a serious #1 guy who can pull down 1200 yards a season, RB needs to be able to get 1000 yards rushing and at least 2 of the defensive guys we need has to be a superior talent at his position and the rest need to at least be solid starters. We have 8 picks in this draft and we can only hope for 3-5 to be starters on the team and we can only really get 2 solid starters out of FA, one being a top 10 guy in the league if we are lucky. With your proposed trade we get two potential good players at QB and WR but we lose the rest of the starting caliber picks and would have to get really lucky with the rest. With two pick ups from FA we would still have at least 4-5 holes on the team. Next year would be worse. Do to injuries, draft picks not panning out, and people leaving in FA we would have holes to fill again, around 6, but would only have 1 or 2 starting caliber picks again.
Long story short if this trade is made it takes us at least 3 more full years to finish building this team. If we don't we could be done in 2 at most if we draft well with our early picks.
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You are comparing college stats to NFL stats.
Incomparable.
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Based on your logic than every player would fucking suck?
Did you see Colt Mccoy go in the top 5? Top 10? hmm maybe the first 20? uhh NO and for a dam reason records didn't mean anything NFL Transition does.
Desmond Howard Won the Heisman and Superbowl MVP and everyone knows he was a Return monster in the NFL way to hate on him.
Based on your logic everybody who has great stats in college are gonna be automatic game changers at the next level.
See I can say the same thing
Based on your logic everybody who has great stats in college are gonna be automatic game changers at the next level.
See I can say the same thing
The biggest flaw with your dumbass assumption is? Most of those guys are game changers in the NFL lol what a fucking stupid statement. Theres a certain amount of ELITE level players in each draft then it starts to trickle down for upside.
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You are comparing college stats to NFL stats.
Incomparable.
You are comparing college stats to NFL stats.
Incomparable.
Ya esp since the NFL plays 5 more games not fair to those college guys lol Cough
In Cleveland failure is an artform. -
So knowing you could get a Vick/C.Johnson type duo you don't pull the trigger? ouch we gotta make moves to improve if anyone forgot we went 5-11 5-11 and 4-12 the last 3 years and the offensive roster hasn't flowed yet i think we need to cut the fat and start grabbing you can't tell me next year will be another 4-6 win team so we can rebuild for 2013 it just sickens me to a pulp we would accept it again.
Not not when we can just settle with a Vick/Jackson type combination in RGIII and Wright. The reason Atlanta could sell the farm to take Jones was because they felt he was their final piece to go to the Super Bowl this year. The Browns are not a QB and a WR away from the super bowl, or the playoffs, or even going 8-8. We still need a FS, CB, 1 or 2 OLB, DE, RT, RG, WR, RB?, and a QB. The QB needs to be at least top 10 in the league, the WR needs to be a serious #1 guy who can pull down 1200 yards a season, RB needs to be able to get 1000 yards rushing and at least 2 of the defensive guys we need has to be a superior talent at his position and the rest need to at least be solid starters. We have 8 picks in this draft and we can only hope for 3-5 to be starters on the team and we can only really get 2 solid starters out of FA, one being a top 10 guy in the league if we are lucky. With your proposed trade we get two potential good players at QB and WR but we lose the rest of the starting caliber picks and would have to get really lucky with the rest. With two pick ups from FA we would still have at least 4-5 holes on the team. Next year would be worse. Do to injuries, draft picks not panning out, and people leaving in FA we would have holes to fill again, around 6, but would only have 1 or 2 starting caliber picks again.
Long story short if this trade is made it takes us at least 3 more full years to finish building this team. If we don't we could be done in 2 at most if we draft well with our early picks.
Not not when we can just settle with a Vick/Jackson type combination in RGIII and Wright. The reason Atlanta could sell the farm to take Jones was because they felt he was their final piece to go to the Super Bowl this year. The Browns are not a QB and a WR away from the super bowl, or the playoffs, or even going 8-8. We still need a FS, CB, 1 or 2 OLB, DE, RT, RG, WR, RB?, and a QB. The QB needs to be at least top 10 in the league, the WR needs to be a serious #1 guy who can pull down 1200 yards a season, RB needs to be able to get 1000 yards rushing and at least 2 of the defensive guys we need has to be a superior talent at his position and the rest need to at least be solid starters. We have 8 picks in this draft and we can only hope for 3-5 to be starters on the team and we can only really get 2 solid starters out of FA, one being a top 10 guy in the league if we are lucky. With your proposed trade we get two potential good players at QB and WR but we lose the rest of the starting caliber picks and would have to get really lucky with the rest. With two pick ups from FA we would still have at least 4-5 holes on the team. Next year would be worse. Do to injuries, draft picks not panning out, and people leaving in FA we would have holes to fill again, around 6, but would only have 1 or 2 starting caliber picks again.
Long story short if this trade is made it takes us at least 3 more full years to finish building this team. If we don't we could be done in 2 at most if we draft well with our early picks.
Browns don't need a FS i was pretty happy with Adams and Young this year. Browns take QB and WR in draft all thats left according to you is CB LB DE RT RG thats 5 posistions Keep Sheldon Brown this season and address the rest in Free agency problem solved.
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You are comparing college stats to NFL stats.
Incomparable.
Ya esp since the NFL plays 5 more games not fair to those college guys lol Cough
Ya esp since the NFL plays 5 more games not fair to those college guys lol Cough
So you think Case Keenum would throw over 5600 yards and 48 TDs in the pros just because he did it in college? Or that Ronnie Hillman would rush for over 1700 yards in the pros? Better yet, they play an extra 5 games so Keenum will destroy Brees new passing record and throw for 6500+ in the pros right? College stats can give you a clue as to how well a particular player will compete in the NFL, but that is about it. You can't take the stats too literally..
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Not not when we can just settle with a Vick/Jackson type combination in RGIII and Wright. The reason Atlanta could sell the farm to take Jones was because they felt he was their final piece to go to the Super Bowl this year. The Browns are not a QB and a WR away from the super bowl, or the playoffs, or even going 8-8. We still need a FS, CB, 1 or 2 OLB, DE, RT, RG, WR, RB?, and a QB. The QB needs to be at least top 10 in the league, the WR needs to be a serious #1 guy who can pull down 1200 yards a season, RB needs to be able to get 1000 yards rushing and at least 2 of the defensive guys we need has to be a superior talent at his position and the rest need to at least be solid starters. We have 8 picks in this draft and we can only hope for 3-5 to be starters on the team and we can only really get 2 solid starters out of FA, one being a top 10 guy in the league if we are lucky. With your proposed trade we get two potential good players at QB and WR but we lose the rest of the starting caliber picks and would have to get really lucky with the rest. With two pick ups from FA we would still have at least 4-5 holes on the team. Next year would be worse. Do to injuries, draft picks not panning out, and people leaving in FA we would have holes to fill again, around 6, but would only have 1 or 2 starting caliber picks again.
Long story short if this trade is made it takes us at least 3 more full years to finish building this team. If we don't we could be done in 2 at most if we draft well with our early picks.
Browns don't need a FS i was pretty happy with Adams and Young this year. Browns take QB and WR in draft all thats left according to you is CB LB DE RT RG thats 5 posistions Keep Sheldon Brown this season and address the rest in Free agency problem solved.
Browns don't need a FS i was pretty happy with Adams and Young this year. Browns take QB and WR in draft all thats left according to you is CB LB DE RT RG thats 5 posistions Keep Sheldon Brown this season and address the rest in Free agency problem solved.
Our FS play has been questionable at best and Brown at this point could only be a starting CB on about 5 teams in the NFL at best. As a stop gate we could get a new CB and move Brown to FS but that still on takes FS off the board of needs for 1 season, 2 at best. You also assuming that the Browns can pull in 5 starting caliber FA during the off season. There is about a 10% chance of Cleveland being able to pull something like that off. We aren't the Eagles and it won't happen. We would be lucky to get 3 starters and I don't see us getting more than 2 with maybe a role player like Young was last year.
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You are comparing college stats to NFL stats.
Incomparable.
Ya esp since the NFL plays 5 more games not fair to those college guys lol Cough
Ya esp since the NFL plays 5 more games not fair to those college guys lol Cough
No, more to the fact that only the most elite of those college defenders go on to play in the NFL.
Chris Weinke won a Heisman, cocknozzle. What did he do in the NFL?
The list goes on and on of one hit wonders who flamed out in the big leagues. Mortgaging your future on one player, especially one who wasn't on anyone's radars last year, is a dumb move for even the most stacked of teams.
Take Blackmon if he's available at 4, and draft a couple more talented players to fill out the roster. Then, with a good foundation in place, pull the trigger on a "gamechanger".
RG3 isn't the first QB to put up "video game" numbers, and he most certainly won't be the last. I'm sure there will be another strong-armed, mobile, sprinter QB people will be shitting over next season.
Granted, RG3 seems like an awesome guy with great morals and has his head on right.
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