Why We Need A Qb
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Ranking The 15 Cleveland Browns Starting Quarterbacks Since 99
After reading this please welcome RG3
15. Ken Dorsey
There was no shortage of candidates for last place on this list, but in a close battle, Dorsey takes the cake for worst Browns starting quarterback since 1999.
Dorsey started three games for the Browns in 2008, as the third different starter that season. He was 0-3 as the starter and led the Browns' offense to a grand total of 19 points in Weeks 14 through 16 combined.
He never looked comfortable in the Browns offense and either threw the ball to a check-down receiver or to the opposing team. Dorsey threw seven interceptions and no touchdowns with the Browns.
The stats should tell most of the story, but if they don't, this will: Dorsey was so bad as the Browns starting quarterback in those three weeks that Romeo Crennel chose Bruce Gradkowski, who he had picked up off the street, to start Week 17.
Dorsey's Stats: 0-3 Record, completed 47%, 370 yards, 0 TD, 7 INT, 26.4 rating
14. Bruce Gradkowski
It's hard to put Gradkowski here because he only made one start and he's proven to be a better quarterback since, but his lone Browns start was so terrible that he left me no choice.
Gradkowski was picked up off the street late in the 2008 season and started in Week 17 at Pittsburgh. He was the fourth quarterback to start a game for the Browns that season.
In a 31-0 loss, Gradkowski was 5-for-16 with 18 yards and two interceptions. His quarterback rating was 1.0.
It just doesn't get much worse than that. He might have been thrown into an impossible situation, but he played impossibly bad for an NFL player.
I will admit that these rankings are skewed toward 2008, which considering the expectations and circumstances may have been the most frustrating Browns season since they returned to the league.
Gradkowski's Stats: 0-1 Record, 33%, 26 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT, 2.8 rating
13. Spergon Wynn
Like Gradkowski, Wynn also started just one game for the Browns, coming in 2000. In Week 14 of that season at Jacksonville, Wynn led the Browns offense in a shutout effort in a 48-0 loss.
Wynn also appeared in seven games that season as the backup, and the results were not much better. The rookie had a cannon of a right arm, but no idea of how to control that cannon, leading to a barrage of misguided lasers.
Unlike some of the other castoffs on this list, Wynn was unable to move on and find success elsewhere. In fact, he appeared in three games and made two starts for the Vikings in 2001 and was never heard from again.
Wynn's Stats: 0-1 Record, 40.7%, 167 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 41.2 rating
12. Doug Pederson
Pederson took over after Tim Couch's shoulder injury halfway through the 2000 season and it was a disaster. He was so horrible that wide receivers Kevin Johnson and Dennis Northcutt took some snaps at quarterback in an early and ugly version of the WildDawg.
The longtime Brett Favre backup in Green Bay should have provided some experience and stability, but instead the Browns were 1-7 and suffered two shutouts during his time as the starter. The offense was limited to 8.3 points per game in those eight contests.
Pederson's Stats: 1-7 Record, 55.7%, 1,047 yards, 2 TD, 8 INT, 56.6 rating
11. Luke McCown
"Luuuuuuuuke!" is what Browns fans chanted during their short-lived love affair with McCown, the third-string quarterback in 2004.
McCown was 0-4 as the Browns starter and led the offense to just 29 points combined in those four starts. To be fair, he was just a rookie, but his ineffectiveness was enough to make some Browns fans queasy.
He has found a way to stick around in the NFL, as he's currently the backup in Jacksonville.
McCown's Stats: 0-4 Record, 49%, 608 yards, 4 TD, 7 INT, 52.6 rating
10. Ty Detmer
Detmer started the first and last games of the re-born Browns season in 1999, both losses.
Fans who had been anxiously waiting three years for the Browns to return to the field are still traumatized by Detmer and the Browns' performance in Week 1, a 43-0 loss to the Steelers at Cleveland Browns Stadium. Eleven seasons later, it's not clear if the Browns and their fans have recovered from falling flat out of the gate.
Detmer was supposed to provide an experienced veteran that would groom young Tim Couch and take the lumps for the inexperienced team early in the season. Instead, he was so bad in that first game that Head Coach Chris Palmer had to start the rookie Couch in Week 2.
Many Browns fans believe that the battering Couch took in that first season left him scarred and played a significant role in his failure to develop into a franchise quarterback in the NFL.
Detmer's Stats: 0-2, 51.6%, 548 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT, 75.7 rating
9. Jake Delhomme
J. Meric/Getty Images Some might look at this ranking and think that Delhomme's tenure with the Browns is incomplete. I've seen enough to argue that he should never again start a game for the Browns.
He looks like a 35-year-old washed up veteran and has looked slow and old. Some of his decision-making his been baffling, including the falling-down-sidearm pass that he threw in Week 1 that was intercepted and basically cost the Browns the game.
Like Detmer, Delhomme was brought in to hold down the fort for the Browns until they get a franchise quarterback, whenever that is. But, healthy or not, he clearly is not the quarterback that he used to be in Carolina.
Delhomme's Stats: 0-1, 55%, 324 yards, 1 TD, 4 INT, 48.2 rating
8. Brady Quinn
Jamie Squire/Getty Images Browns fans were surprised and ecstatic when Quinn dropped to Cleveland with the 22nd pick in the 2007 Draft. Quinn spent his time in Cleveland showing why so many teams passed on him.
Despite losing quarterback competitions with Derek Anderson in training camp, Quinn was always the fan-favorite in Cleveland. Browns fans chanted "Brady! Brady!" and believed that the product of Notre Dame who grew up a Browns fan would be the franchise quarterback the Browns had been searching for.
Instead, Quinn was 4-9 as the Browns starting quarterback and will be remembered for his legendary check-downs. Rarely looking down the field, Quinn didn't pan out and was traded to the Broncos after the 2009 season.
Quinn's Stats: 4-9 Record, 52%, 1,902 yards, 10 TD, 9 INT, 66.8 rating
7. Trent Dilfer
Jamie Squire/Getty Images Like others on this list, Dilfer was brought in to be a veteran presence and failed. Browns fans held their breath every time he went back to throw, not having any clue where the ball might end up.
At times it looked like he was throwing with his eyes closed.
The Pro Bowler and Super Bowl-winning quarterback was a shell of his former self as the Browns quarterback in 2005. He was 4-7 during the 2005 season.
Dilfer's Stats: 4-7 Record, 60%, 2,321 yards, 11 TD, 12 INT, 76.9 rating
6. Charlie Frye
"Charlie! Charlie!"
Boy do Browns fans love their backup quarterbacks in Cleveland, especially if he grew up a Browns fan, like Frye did.
Just like Quinn, Frye drew the admiration of Browns fans and the hope that he would get into the game. And when he did finally get the chance, he showed that he wasn't worthy of starting games in the NFL.
Frye's career in Cleveland ended in 2007 after suffering a 34-7 loss to the Steelers in week one (do you see a pattern developing here?). He was traded to Seattle early the next week.
Frye's Stats: 5-13 record, 63%, 3,490 yards, 14 TD, 23 INT, 71.2 rating
5. Jeff Garcia
Garcia was brought to Cleveland as the latest franchise savior in 2004, and to nobody's surprise, it didn't work out.
He still had the ability to scramble around and make some throws, but was generally ineffective. Garcia was eventually replaced by Kelly Holcomb and later Luke McCown.
Garcia's Stats: 3-7 record, 57%, 1,731 yards, 10 TD, 9 INT, 76.7 rating
4. Seneca Wallace
This grade is largely incomplete and I know I will catch some flack for this rating. But, he has looked good and kept the Browns competitive despite going 1-3 in his four starts.
Wallace has largely overachieved what was expected from him, the exact opposite of most of the players on this list. He also led the Browns to a win over the Bengals in week four.
Wallace's Stats: 1-3 Record, 63%, 693 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT, 88.5 rating
3. Tim Couch
The numbers are not pretty. He was projected to be a franchise quarterback and Pro Bowler, and maybe even a Hall of Famer.
Tim Couch was none of those, but he started the most games (59) for the Browns and had the most wins (22) among any of the quarterbacks on this list. He suffered with a new franchise and was surrounded by terrible athletes.
Couch also was instrumental in the 2002 team that made the playoffs, still the only Browns playoff appearance since returning. He led a couple of big comebacks during that season to push the Browns to the playoffs, although Kelly Holcomb started over him in the playoff contest.
Couch was never in a position to succeed in Cleveland, and his career ended very early due to injury. I'm not making excuses for him, but on a list of so many terrible quarterbacks, he's not quite as bad.
Couch's Stats: 22-37 Record, 60%, 11,131 yards, 64 TD, 67 INT, 75.1 rating
2. Kelly Holcomb
Holcomb always appeared more effective than Couch and was the starting quarterback for the Browns in their lone playoff game since re-birth, at Pittsburgh in the 2002 season.
He set an NFL record with 429 yards in that post-season game, and had the Browns out to a 17-point lead, which they blew of course.
While Kelly didn't last in Cleveland long, he will be remembered for helping the Browns get to the playoffs and his performance against the Steelers.
Holcomb's Stats: 4-9 Record, 64%, 3,438 yards, 26 TD, 21 INT, 83.3 rating
1. Derek Anderson
I know that Anderson has since proven to be just as bad as the others on this list, but unlike the others, he did make a Pro Bowl. That is what separates D.A. and makes him number one on this list.
His 2007 season was by far the best of anybody on this list. He threw for nearly 3,800 yards, and had 29 touchdowns with just 19 interceptions. Anderson also led the Browns to the brink of the playoffs (although he helped them miss it with his awful performance against the Bengals in Week 16).
By no means is he a deserving No. 1 on any list, but when we are looking at all the bad Browns quarterbacks, that Pro Bowl season stands out. He also has the best winning percentage (.471) of anybody on the list.
Anderson's Stats: 16-18 Record, 53%, 7,083 yards, 46 TD, 45 INT, 70 rating
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Christ I didn't realise McCoy was that bad, he cant even make the top 15 list in Browns QB's size 1999, best we pray for miracle to come save us and deliver RGIII to us. I personally am Happy either way, give Colt another year with some new weapons, or get RG III, but knowing he has to start from day one if we do.
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If fucking Dilfer can win a Super Bowl, there is no way in hell McCoy can not be serviceable with some weapons.
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If fucking Dilfer can win a Super Bowl, there is no way in hell McCoy can not be serviceable with some weapons.
If fucking Dilfer can win a Super Bowl, there is no way in hell McCoy can not be serviceable with some weapons.
the NFL Dilfer played in and the NFL of today are completely different, so that's a mute point.
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With all the rule changes, this league has now become more QB friendly and we need a good QB.
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c,mon with this 'WE GOTTA GET A QB" bullshit. tj yates? are you serious?
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c,mon with this 'WE GOTTA GET A QB" bullshit. tj yates? are you serious?
He is a game manager, like Colt, only he is playing in a better system with a better team. But I dont think the Houston Texans can get too far in the playoffs with him playing. I'm willing to bet that if Matt Shaub had never started and if it was Yates playing the whole season - they might not even make the playoffs.
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Houston has a STUD WR, along with a STUD RB. We have neither....
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So TJ Yates ok...Look at he rest of the QBs in the playoffs
Rodgers
Big Ben
Brees
Manning
Stafford(Koed Last night)
Ryan
Dalton ( Koed Last night) 0-7 vs playoff teams it helped that they played the Browns 2 times
Brady
QB League lets make it happen Cleveland
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These kind of posts right here are why I quit coming to this garbage site. There are too many morons flooding the forum with useless non-sense. Like miktoxic said: c,mon with this 'WE GOTTA GET A QB" bullshit. tj yates? are you serious?
This site is awesome when the right people are posting and talking about relevant topics with legitimate arguements/views. So sick of this QB talk, i dont care what QB comes in here, if we dont give our QB some weapons on offense then how the hell is he going to be successful? We have midgets as WR's and 3rd string running backs not to mention OL problems! So how are we blaming Mccoy for the offensive woes? He's always throwing on the run with a widow of about a nickel to get it into our slow WR's.
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These kind of posts right here are why I quit coming to this garbage site. There are too many morons flooding the forum with useless non-sense. Like miktoxic said: c,mon with this 'WE GOTTA GET A QB" bullshit. tj yates? are you serious?
This site is awesome when the right people are posting and talking about relevant topics with legitimate arguements/views. So sick of this QB talk, i dont care what QB comes in here, if we dont give our QB some weapons on offense then how the hell is he going to be successful? We have midgets as WR's and 3rd string running backs not to mention OL problems! So how are we blaming Mccoy for the offensive woes? He's always throwing on the run with a widow of about a nickel to get it into our slow WR's.
These kind of posts right here are why I quit coming to this garbage site. There are too many morons flooding the forum with useless non-sense. Like miktoxic said: c,mon with this 'WE GOTTA GET A QB" bullshit. tj yates? are you serious?
This site is awesome when the right people are posting and talking about relevant topics with legitimate arguements/views. So sick of this QB talk, i dont care what QB comes in here, if we dont give our QB some weapons on offense then how the hell is he going to be successful? We have midgets as WR's and 3rd string running backs not to mention OL problems! So how are we blaming Mccoy for the offensive woes? He's always throwing on the run with a widow of about a nickel to get it into our slow WR's.
Jake your a moron.
everybody knows we do not have weapons, with colt its about how he throws the ball, reading defenses. How quick he can get rid of the ball, Arm strenth to get the ball where it needs to go. I wish Colt was the real thing, I really do. Problem Colt does not have anything that makes me believe he can be the real thing. No Arm Strenth, can not read a Defense, ball flight is really bad, does not have a quick release. If you gave him Blackmon he still could not get him the ball....
Everybody on this board for the most part are Browns fans, some people want RG3 some want Blackmon, shit I want both!!!! How many game does our Pro Bowl left tackle win us a yr, last yr how many games did our Madden Boy win us?? Point is over the 12 yrs we have not drafted playmakers to get the ball in the end zone. Now I am happy with our draft over the past two yrs, Our defense stats show that!!!!
What playmakers have we draft in the first 2 rounds over hte past 12 yrs?? Edwards 1 good yr, K2-Moron now in Tampa, Willie Green how did that work out, KJ Did well with Couch. If we keep doing what we are doing we will never become a winning football team. We have to get a QB that can make a impact!!! Saying this will RG3 be great his first yr?? maybe, maybe not, but he does have the skill set to be that ZVick type player minus the dog killing
Getting another O-lineman in the first does us nothing!!!! Getting another defense player with our first pick does nothing ,but lose games 9-7 instead of 17-7. Getting Blackmon would be great but we still do not have a QB to get him the ball.
Who touches the ball everyplay in the NFL?? the center and QB....We have the Center, now its time for the QB
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ohh and playmakers..How many playmakers are on the Pats, Saints, Packers that where drafted in the first round?? To lazy to look it up, but I know its not much if any
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These kind of posts right here are why I quit coming to this garbage site. There are too many morons flooding the forum with useless non-sense. Like miktoxic said: c,mon with this 'WE GOTTA GET A QB" bullshit. tj yates? are you serious?
This site is awesome when the right people are posting and talking about relevant topics with legitimate arguements/views. So sick of this QB talk, i dont care what QB comes in here, if we dont give our QB some weapons on offense then how the hell is he going to be successful? We have midgets as WR's and 3rd string running backs not to mention OL problems! So how are we blaming Mccoy for the offensive woes? He's always throwing on the run with a widow of about a nickel to get it into our slow WR's.
These kind of posts right here are why I quit coming to this garbage site. There are too many morons flooding the forum with useless non-sense. Like miktoxic said: c,mon with this 'WE GOTTA GET A QB" bullshit. tj yates? are you serious?
This site is awesome when the right people are posting and talking about relevant topics with legitimate arguements/views. So sick of this QB talk, i dont care what QB comes in here, if we dont give our QB some weapons on offense then how the hell is he going to be successful? We have midgets as WR's and 3rd string running backs not to mention OL problems! So how are we blaming Mccoy for the offensive woes? He's always throwing on the run with a widow of about a nickel to get it into our slow WR's.
The gun can fire only if there is bullets in it, But who cares if it is loaded if there is no finger to pull the trigger ? A WR like Greg Little if used as a No 2 or No 3 receiver in a good team will be making much more productive and we will all be looking at him and saying why cant we draft WR's like him ! McCoy is part of the reason why we are bad, not THE reason we suck, But for us to completely shield McCoy like he is a victim is pure nonsense.
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These kind of posts right here are why I quit coming to this garbage site. There are too many morons flooding the forum with useless non-sense. Like miktoxic said: c,mon with this 'WE GOTTA GET A QB" bullshit. tj yates? are you serious?
This site is awesome when the right people are posting and talking about relevant topics with legitimate arguements/views. So sick of this QB talk, i dont care what QB comes in here, if we dont give our QB some weapons on offense then how the hell is he going to be successful? We have midgets as WR's and 3rd string running backs not to mention OL problems! So how are we blaming Mccoy for the offensive woes? He's always throwing on the run with a widow of about a nickel to get it into our slow WR's.
The gun can fire only if there is bullets in it, But who cares if it is loaded if there is no finger to pull the trigger ? A WR like Greg Little if used as a No 2 or No 3 receiver in a good team will be making much more productive and we will all be looking at him and saying why cant we draft WR's like him ! McCoy is part of the reason why we are bad, not THE reason we suck, But for us to completely shield McCoy like he is a victim is pure nonsense.
The gun can fire only if there is bullets in it, But who cares if it is loaded if there is no finger to pull the trigger ? A WR like Greg Little if used as a No 2 or No 3 receiver in a good team will be making much more productive and we will all be looking at him and saying why cant we draft WR's like him ! McCoy is part of the reason why we are bad, not THE reason we suck, But for us to completely shield McCoy like he is a victim is pure nonsense.
I'm not shielding Mccoy, I'm saying we dont know how good he can be, we are pathetic and a bunch of losers. We have been the worst offensive team for over a decade, for reasons that tampadawgs made for me, we never have playmakers nor do we ever draft playmakers. We the browns will start winning when we can put weapons on the field. Perfect case senario, Mccoy is the starter we draft Richardson and Wright/Floyd whoever will be there, sign a few free agents on the Line and WR core. Combine that with our up n coming defense and I will sit back and tell you I Told You So.
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These kind of posts right here are why I quit coming to this garbage site. There are too many morons flooding the forum with useless non-sense. Like miktoxic said: c,mon with this 'WE GOTTA GET A QB" bullshit. tj yates? are you serious?
This site is awesome when the right people are posting and talking about relevant topics with legitimate arguements/views. So sick of this QB talk, i dont care what QB comes in here, if we dont give our QB some weapons on offense then how the hell is he going to be successful? We have midgets as WR's and 3rd string running backs not to mention OL problems! So how are we blaming Mccoy for the offensive woes? He's always throwing on the run with a widow of about a nickel to get it into our slow WR's.
Jake your a moron.
everybody knows we do not have weapons, with colt its about how he throws the ball, reading defenses. How quick he can get rid of the ball, Arm strenth to get the ball where it needs to go. I wish Colt was the real thing, I really do. Problem Colt does not have anything that makes me believe he can be the real thing. No Arm Strenth, can not read a Defense, ball flight is really bad, does not have a quick release. If you gave him Blackmon he still could not get him the ball....
Everybody on this board for the most part are Browns fans, some people want RG3 some want Blackmon, shit I want both!!!! How many game does our Pro Bowl left tackle win us a yr, last yr how many games did our Madden Boy win us?? Point is over the 12 yrs we have not drafted playmakers to get the ball in the end zone. Now I am happy with our draft over the past two yrs, Our defense stats show that!!!!
What playmakers have we draft in the first 2 rounds over hte past 12 yrs?? Edwards 1 good yr, K2-Moron now in Tampa, Willie Green how did that work out, KJ Did well with Couch. If we keep doing what we are doing we will never become a winning football team. We have to get a QB that can make a impact!!! Saying this will RG3 be great his first yr?? maybe, maybe not, but he does have the skill set to be that ZVick type player minus the dog killing
Getting another O-lineman in the first does us nothing!!!! Getting another defense player with our first pick does nothing ,but lose games 9-7 instead of 17-7. Getting Blackmon would be great but we still do not have a QB to get him the ball.
Who touches the ball everyplay in the NFL?? the center and QB....We have the Center, now its time for the QB
Jake your a moron.
everybody knows we do not have weapons, with colt its about how he throws the ball, reading defenses. How quick he can get rid of the ball, Arm strenth to get the ball where it needs to go. I wish Colt was the real thing, I really do. Problem Colt does not have anything that makes me believe he can be the real thing. No Arm Strenth, can not read a Defense, ball flight is really bad, does not have a quick release. If you gave him Blackmon he still could not get him the ball....
Everybody on this board for the most part are Browns fans, some people want RG3 some want Blackmon, shit I want both!!!! How many game does our Pro Bowl left tackle win us a yr, last yr how many games did our Madden Boy win us?? Point is over the 12 yrs we have not drafted playmakers to get the ball in the end zone. Now I am happy with our draft over the past two yrs, Our defense stats show that!!!!
What playmakers have we draft in the first 2 rounds over hte past 12 yrs?? Edwards 1 good yr, K2-Moron now in Tampa, Willie Green how did that work out, KJ Did well with Couch. If we keep doing what we are doing we will never become a winning football team. We have to get a QB that can make a impact!!! Saying this will RG3 be great his first yr?? maybe, maybe not, but he does have the skill set to be that ZVick type player minus the dog killing
Getting another O-lineman in the first does us nothing!!!! Getting another defense player with our first pick does nothing ,but lose games 9-7 instead of 17-7. Getting Blackmon would be great but we still do not have a QB to get him the ball.
Who touches the ball everyplay in the NFL?? the center and QB....We have the Center, now its time for the QB
Jakes not a moron and youre not as smart as you think. Colt can make any NFL throw but he hasnt because of the pressure and reads he's been seeing. The lack of protection and running game he has been saddled with this season has added to the type of defenses he has had to throw against. I could make a million arguments to the fact that Colt is a good NFL quarterback who needs time and the right personnel around him to succeed but it would fall on deaf ears in this forum because more than half of the people here are already convinced that Colt is an average/backup QB in this league. The fact is that Colt did not produce as much as any of us would have liked him to because of a number of extenuating circumstances. You could put a new QB in place and he may even get you a few more wins but that does not mean he is the QB to build your franchise around. An athletic QB is important, but there are several factors that make a QB successful in this league. Colt possesses a number of the characteristics of a franchise QB and you can build on those characteristics if you are willing to be patient. Consistency is the mark of a champion. A good FO rarely blows up a team or completely cleans house, because they know that it results in a loss of corporate knowledge and that it takes time to implement a new system and to replace the personnel suited to a previous system. A change of guard also breeds dissention in the locker-room because there is bound to be a remaining core of players from a previous regime who may be hesitant to trust/follow the new coach and management. To many fans, this all seems like useless banter or the "business" of football. To these fans, this information is irrelevant because its "talent that wins games, not politics", but the fact remains that the good teams find a way to field a group of players who are cohesive and consistent and that is exactly what the Browns have NOT been. Its easy to look at the leagues elite and compare your losing team's QB to theirs and find stats to support your claim that "this QB is a backup at best", "a scrub", "not the answer", but the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Whether its because of a dominant running game, a stifling defense, a marquee WR, or a QB like Vick who forces defensive coordinators to change their schemes/looks/personnel, where there is a dominant force on the team they make the deficient look better on paper. This is the ying and yang of football and it doesnt only exist in football. It is no surprise that once Hillis was able to find some consistency and his injury began to heal up and allow him to play faster and looser that other aspects of the Browns' game began to prosper. The same is true of the other great teams in the league. When you have double TE sets that force defenses to play different personnel to account for that threat as well as the recievers who pose a threat, you change the frequency with which the opposing offense sees the field. You don't only eat the clock up with a running game. In that same way, you can only put so much on one player before they have to take to the sideline. . .see Calvin Johnson. The idea is to find consistency and right now the Browns have a very good QB who can only get better; this position is reason to rejoice. Bring in competition, sure, but address your deficiencies first. You need an every down back or at the very least another durable back to work under Hillis. You need to find a long reciever who can provide a consistent threat and perhaps veteran leadership to the other burgeoning WR's. There is ZERO leadership in that corps right now. You need to work on the entire secondary and look for a legit Mike LB. You need to fix the O-line, big time. You need to find defensive personnel that will allow you to blitz the fronts like those of the Saints and Packers. And I'm sick and tired of this bullshit about Colt's arm not being strong enough. You know what? Neither is Drew Brees' or Tom Brady's. Matt Stafford is a stronger QB than both of them. You know who else is? JaMarcus Russell. I can go on. . .Vince Young. And on and on. McCoy has the strength, touch, and intelligence to make all of the reads and throws. Address other positions for God's sake. The fact that everybody doesn't see that this is the issue and that it is as clear as day is what surprises the shit out of me.
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A good QB makes those around him plamakers.
Hines Ward- 3rd round pick.
Emmanuel Sanders-3rd round pick.
Mike Wallace- 3rd round pick.
Antonio Brown- 6th round pick.
Ben Roethlisberger- 1st round pick
James Jones- 3rd round pick.
Donald Driver-7th round pick
Jordy Nelson- 2nd round pick
Randall Cobb- 2nd round pick
Aaron Rodgers- 1st round pick
Pierre Garcon- 6th round pick
Reggie Wayne- 1st round pick
Austin Collie- 4th round pick
Anthony Gonzalez- 1st round pick. (hurts my argument a tad, but I'm presenting all the facts)
Peyton Manning- 1st round pick
And then there's the Patriots, with no 1st round picks at QB or WR. What they do have, however, is two first round and two second round Offensive Linemen. (Thats for you, Ghoolie)
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
A good QB makes those around him plamakers.
Hines Ward- 3rd round pick.
Emmanuel Sanders-3rd round pick.
Mike Wallace- 3rd round pick.
Antonio Brown- 6th round pick.
Ben Roethlisberger- 1st round pick
James Jones- 3rd round pick.
Donald Driver-7th round pick
Jordy Nelson- 2nd round pick
Randall Cobb- 2nd round pick
Aaron Rodgers- 1st round pick
Pierre Garcon- 6th round pick
Reggie Wayne- 1st round pick
Austin Collie- 4th round pick
Anthony Gonzalez- 1st round pick. (hurts my argument a tad, but I'm presenting all the facts)
Peyton Manning- 1st round pick
And then there's the Patriots, with no 1st round picks at QB or WR. What they do have, however, is two first round and two second round Offensive Linemen. (Thats for you, Ghoolie)
A good QB makes those around him plamakers.
Hines Ward- 3rd round pick.
Emmanuel Sanders-3rd round pick.
Mike Wallace- 3rd round pick.
Antonio Brown- 6th round pick.
Ben Roethlisberger- 1st round pick
James Jones- 3rd round pick.
Donald Driver-7th round pick
Jordy Nelson- 2nd round pick
Randall Cobb- 2nd round pick
Aaron Rodgers- 1st round pick
Pierre Garcon- 6th round pick
Reggie Wayne- 1st round pick
Austin Collie- 4th round pick
Anthony Gonzalez- 1st round pick. (hurts my argument a tad, but I'm presenting all the facts)
Peyton Manning- 1st round pick
And then there's the Patriots, with no 1st round picks at QB or WR. What they do have, however, is two first round and two second round Offensive Linemen. (Thats for you, Ghoolie)
Good Post but the truth is that this is now a QB driven league and it will only continue to get worse, if we wanna play with the big boys we need a QB who can..
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2010 Offensive line rankings in pass protection
Colts-#1
Packers=#5
Saints=#3
Pats=#11
Do you see the correlation on the other side of the coin?
The only real exception here is the Pittsburgh Steelers, who do not have an outstanding O-line but DO boast a dominant defense and a consistent running game, year in and year out. On top of that, if anyone is going to take a pounding and get back up, its Ben Rothlisberger. But tbh the kind of preotection Rothlisberger has gotten historically has probably already taken years off of his career. Look at teams like Denver and NY whose QBs arent as good as Colt, and you see that they have fantastic defenses and running games. Speaking of running games, look at Atlanta. I could go on. Something always has to give. Right now, the QB is not the area that needs to take precedence.
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A good QB makes those around him plamakers.
Hines Ward- 3rd round pick.
Emmanuel Sanders-3rd round pick.
Mike Wallace- 3rd round pick.
Antonio Brown- 6th round pick.
Ben Roethlisberger- 1st round pick
James Jones- 3rd round pick.
Donald Driver-7th round pick
Jordy Nelson- 2nd round pick
Randall Cobb- 2nd round pick
Aaron Rodgers- 1st round pick
Pierre Garcon- 6th round pick
Reggie Wayne- 1st round pick
Austin Collie- 4th round pick
Anthony Gonzalez- 1st round pick. (hurts my argument a tad, but I'm presenting all the facts)
Peyton Manning- 1st round pick
And then there's the Patriots, with no 1st round picks at QB or WR. What they do have, however, is two first round and two second round Offensive Linemen. (Thats for you, Ghoolie)
Good Post but the truth is that this is now a QB driven league and it will only continue to get worse, if we wanna play with the big boys we need a QB who can..
Good Post but the truth is that this is now a QB driven league and it will only continue to get worse, if we wanna play with the big boys we need a QB who can..
This IS a QB driven league, I agree. But you dont see immediate production or straightaway championships from many QBs. Its not like with running backs where you can get an idea of their ability right away and who can contribute almost immediately. The position takes time to develop and protection is key to developing a QB. Look at the leagues best, they have consistent protection at the offensive line and usually have some relief at the running back position.
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